The CIA’s Mind Control Program (Ft. Tom O’Neill)

named Charles Manson and he had 10 or 15 wives Manson believed that there was an impending race War and the murders were committed to shock the world and they left signs that they hoped were going to implicate the Black Panthers the four victims that were stab were stabed more than 200 times there was blood writing on the wall it was a real horrific crime scene how did Manson get these young women in under a year to go out and kill complete strangers for no other reason

than he told them to and to have no remorse and to actually laugh about it Jolly West reported to the CIA in 1955 he had developed the technology to implant false memory in a person and remove true memories using drugs and hypnosis we have a lot of evidence that government knew more about this stuff Manson was almost being tracked by authorities before he killed tapate there was MK Ultra research going on at all those places that he was at when you're in war you're in war Mister you

don't make no change without of government mind control I have Tom O'Neal here and Tom is an incredible journalist and really is kind of a tribute to a bygone era of Journalism where uh he was just going to write a routine article about Charles Manson and it turned into this 20e Saga where he uncovered a whole plotline uh in the most famous murders in American history

the Manson Murders uh that involve CIA brainwashing government mind control all sorts of craziness and so we are very excited to be here today and I I want to start with some basic kind of you know setting the table scaffolding Tom what is MK Ultra a lot of people here might not know that the CIA even had a mind control program yeah MK Ultra was a brainwashing program that was developed by the CIA end of the 40s into the early 50s it was originally created as a

defensive program because intelligence in the United States learned that the Soviet Union and the Chinese and North Koreans had developed these techniques to brainwash people to get them to make false confessions uh they were using drugs sensory deprivation a bunch of different Technologies so the United States wanted to learn how to defend against that particularly for Airmen who got shot down overseas and were captured um and it what began as a

defensive program quickly evolved into an offensive program when they realized how effective it could be the ultimate goal was to create a programmed assassin people who could be pretty much hypnotized to go out and kill somebody for no reason in their mind or no recollection of being programmed to do it they had programs for Mass conversion where they would try to control groups of people thousands of people using media other kinds of Technology they

wanted to be able to implant information in service people's minds that they could Courier to across Enemy Lines deliver bring back and ultimately what they played with the most was memory they wanted to be able to control people's memory they wanted to be able to implant false memories and people without their knowledge um take away true memories uh using initially uh sodium penthol and then LSD and then other drugs that we still don't know

about the program was exposed by a whistleblower in about 1975 it was quite Sensational the CIA had to acknowledge that they did it it was not just illegal the CIA by law is not allowed to operate on us soil but also it was horrific because they were using um they doing human experiments on people without their knowledge or consent and they began in prisons and jails and then they started doing it uh with service people they even set up

what they called safe houses in San Francisco and New York City where um prostitutes would lure John's into rooms where two-way mirrors would be set up the prostitutes would administer LSD to them and then they'd observe behaviors and see what they could do with the Johns while they were under control so this went on until about 7374 Watergate was happening Richard Helms at that point was running the CIA and it looked like Nixon was going to leave office a lot of stuff was going to

get discovered and they had to hide it as fast as they could and as effectively as they could so Richard Helms uh ordered all of the files destroyed and nobody would have known about this program if it wasn't for a guy named John Marx who was a state department official who found files Financial files in 74 took it to a congressmen and that began Congressional investigations when I began this book about a murder case a Charles Manson murder case I'd never heard of mkala people here probably know

more about it now than I did when I began this and when I first heard about it I thought it was a fantasy that it couldn't have been real but you can see the Congressional Record there were three different hearings the church hearings were the longest but there was also a congressional combined uh Ted Kennedy and Daniel inway hearings testimonies entered into the record the CIA lied they said that it hadn't been effective that they allow themselves to look like fools and they said none of this stuff worked we shouldn't have done it it was inhumane ha haa stupid us

we're not going to do it against sorry and Congress let them get away with that in fact a lot of it was effective a lot of it had worked and I found out a little bit about what they' done that had never been reported before that bled into this famous story about Charles Manson and the murders that occurred there so that's kind of like the TW minute or five minute we go on forever I mean it's insane how wide spread of a program it was like it was like hundreds if not thousands of psychiatrists you

had yeah Outpost in Canada this guy you and Cameron doing torturous techniques on people you had Andre puharich and he had his Round Table Institute in Maine he had an outpost in Upstate New York where they had these space kids where they were try trying to like communicate with you know these these other worldly beings and actually Star Trek Jee Roddenberry like that was channeled via this woman named Phillis schle it's there a really crazy kind of counter history and then you have all the you know kind of Manon candidate political stuff a little bit criminals like Whitey

buer who we found out or he found out late into his life um in prison that he had volunteered for medical experiments in prison in the 50s and he later found out that they were MK Ultra brainwashing experiments um Ted kazinski T kazinski the unibomber voluntarily went into an MK Ultra experiment at Harvard right yeah okay so we have this crazy CIA mind control history that you know was not super well known you you want to just set the table and give some Basics on

what happened the Manson Murders obviously they're extremely famous but you know yeah and you would think these two subjects would approach merge blend together the history of my investigation of all this was like Jesse said I got a magazine assignment in 99 that was going to commemorate what was then going to be the 30th anniversary of the Tate lob bianka murders so on August 8th 1969 Sharon Tate the eight-month pregnant wife of director Roman

pansky and two of her house guests voy rowski uh a Polish cameraman who was friends with Roman Abigail fuler well-known coffee AAS from the fuler family J Sebring the celebrity hair stylists in Hollywood were all in the house and there was a home invasion nobody knew who did it but they slaughtered uh all of them plus a visitor to the caretaker's house in the back a 19-year-old kid named Steve parent 3 months later they captured a

group of hippies who live communally first at the spawn Ranch which is outside Los Angeles in a place called Chatsworth broken down horse ranch and then then they had migrated out to Death Valley the early reports were that it was a cult and their leader was a man named Charles Manson 32-year-old excon short like 55 or 54 and he had 10 or 15 wives kids they didn't know who were the

parents of which kids everyone would raised Comm community and and what became then the first Sensational trial in Los Angeles really until OJ there had never been that kind of attention they tried them and convicted them and what the mystery was why were these people killed in this house what was the connection of these hippies what were they looking for it wasn't a robbery what the prosecutor Vince buosi learned through his investigation was and this

is the official Narrative of the story um was that Manson believed that there was an impending race war which he called Helter Skelter after the Beetles song and it was taking too long and he wanted to trigger it so he ordered his followers to go to this house where he had a relationship with a music producer who had lived there previously but no longer lived there named Terry melshire and the murders were committed to shock the world and they left signs that they hoped were going to implicate the Black

Panthers and turned the world against the blacks and then Manson had prophesized and the prophecies came from Beatles lyrics Beatles songs that he thought were written to communicate these orders to him and then the Old Testament The Book of Revelations it's just this whole mismash anyway the murders happened all of a sudden these hippies uh were brought back to Los Angeles from Death Valley the ones who weren't arrested in charge held visual outside the court house every day for a

year a year and whatever Manson did in court the women who were tried beside him three women and then another man separately Tex Watson would mimic so he'd carve uh X in his forehead show up at Court the next day the women defendants would have exes and everybody outside the family who were sitting in circles and singing and praying all had x's in their foreheads I got assigned this story and I didn't know what the angle was this had been written to death

it had you know the book that the prosecutor wrote Helter Skelter to this day is the best-selling True Crime book of all time I didn't want to do it I needed a job though it was supposed to be three months I began it and I was trying to find an angle which can be uh fun but it can also be scary because you don't want to write a boring story and um the angle that I kind of settled on was how did Manson get these young women in under a year to go out and kill

complete strangers for no other reason than he told them to and to have no remorse and to actually laugh about it and that was something that kind of I think that's why people became so obsessed with the case and people still make movies about it and write books about it not because it was a horrific murder there's those kinds of murders all the time and not even because it was a famous actress married to a famous director who was out of the country when it happened I should say um but because

nobody had ever seen anything like this before where young kids just killed for the joy of killing and then laughed about it afterward so I began to try to find out what Manson had done how he had learned where he had gained this knowledge to get these kids to do this in under two years for the majority of them under a year for about a half dozen of them and that's what led me to this program MK Ultra which I didn't know would be connected to them but I ended

he didn't want want to do it he had died right after I got the assignment I got access to his papers at UCLA and after months and months and months of really tedious digging I was looking looking for a needle in a haze stack and I found it he was writing using an alias for Sydney gotle his the head of the program at the CIA he was called the the poisoner and chief uh about all the experiments he was going to do and all of the stuff paralleled his arrival in

San Francisco Manson's arrival in San Francisco the two of theirs um traveled down to Los Angeles and it was during that period that Manson turned into exactly what the CIA had been trying to create for 15 years at that point um uh so I present in the book a case that I haven't proven it absolutely but I make a case that these two men are intersected and Manson was experimented with the girls were you say

there's no smoking evidence No No Smoking Gun rather but uh you have this kind of you know Manson pre-1967 hay ashberry who is this Petty criminal he's like yeah 5'5 or something he's not particularly charismatic and he keeps getting you know caught for these Petty crimes and he goes into this parole officer Roger Smith Roger Smith and Roger Smith specializes in amphetamines and LSD and their effect a parole officer who's also a criminology student at Berkeley and a drug researcher and

his special field of research was adolescent kids who join gangs that become violent while using drugs so so he's going into this guy constantly who specializes in this stuff and then uh David Smith as well right ran the H ashbery free medical clinic and we know now from the church commission that they had this thing called operation midnight climax where they would bring in people like Manson and they would sort of dose them up you have this weird Confluence of people around Manson and then you have this kind of Line in the Sand of

Manson as this like not super charismatic Petty criminal into this sex god cult leader Guru guy and it's all in the span of basically a year and so you know I think that that's fairly that's fairly compelling and then Jolly West himself just to you guys have a sense of how pervasive MK Ultra was was the head of the UCLA Psychiatry plenty of reputable psych psychiatrist psychologists studied under him and so it's pretty F you go to UCLA the there's an auditorium named after him uh he was also the head of the

NeuroScience Center there he started the first NeuroScience Center at University of Oklahoma in the ' 50s after he left the lackan Air Force Base which is where he began his first experiments on prisoners at the base and uh then went through Oklahoma Los Angeles San Francisco and had connections he was kind of like a zelig um when Jack Ruby was arrested and charged for shooting Oswald he became Ruby's psychiatrist not right away he tried to

get on the case right away but the judge wouldn't let him he actually requested to be on and the defense attorney wasn't sure what was going on so Ruby got convicted a trial within a year of the Oswald shooting never testified only told the media he had a story to tell he wanted to tell it well he was getting a second trial and at the same time they were finally going to take his testimony the warring commission all of a sudden Wes got assigned to the case goes in and

has spends about an hour alone with Ruby at the count jail and comes out and holds a press conference and says within the proceeding 48 Hours Jack Ruby has had a psychotic break from which he'll never recover he has auditory and uh visual hallucinations he thinks there's people in the room he hears the what he says are the cries of Jewish children being boiled alive outside his jail cell at night from that day forward Ruby only lived three more years he could never

string three coherent sentences together now Wes's specialty among his Specialties was inducing Insanity in a person without their knowledge and the warrant commission was never told that that this guy was actually hit a conflict of interest he was working for the CIA at the time and you know are these coincidences or there is there something more sound like a coincidence to me so you have just to rehash it for everybody you have uh Lee Harvey Oswald who supposedly was this lone gunman who

you know took out JFK that was the kind kind of conventional narrative you have Jack Ruby killing him and by the way when Jack Ruby shot him he goes what are you doing I'm Jack Ruby to the cops who were arresting him almost as if he didn't recall having killed Lee Harvey OS he didn't you know his original defense was he wasn't sure why he was there he had he they his lawyer said he had an epileptic fit and he had no memory of this and then and then he's seen by Jolly West in a jail sale with no Camas present and goes nuts right

right afterward so I think that's you know pretty interesting fact pattern um but going back to to Manson other possible pieces of evidence that he was an MK trip patient his whole life was kind of modeled off of this sci-fi novel Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert hline this 1968 bestseller and uh he called his his son was like Don Valentine right and Michael Valentine Michael Valentine his firstborn child and um and then Ro Roger Smith his parole officer was Jubal this protector

character yeah so if you're not familiar with the novel in in the 1960s everyone read that book especially hippies and so but in and and but Manson was supposedly illiterate so it brings up this like really interesting question was he like dosed up with LSD read this thing that became like the narrative for his life because in it you know it involves this race war or whatever like a lot of this stuff that he's talking about in his life and it's about a leader who is born on Mars dispatched to the Earth to to start a new Society of Offspring and he

has communal wives and he has someone who protects him in the legal system who was called Jubal and Roger nickname from Manson and the girls was Jubal there's a lot of spooky figures that kind of were on the periphery of Manson's life for the two years he was free between 67 and his arrest in 69 there's like a half dozen of them and it's kind of a real Cornucopia of of characters that I present in the book that were really hard to find to get information on a lot

of them have no records I did CIA foyer requests for the two or three that I was sure were affiliated with the CIA and you got What's called the glomo response we can neither confirm nor deny any relationship with the CIA which means yeah they were in the CIA um and these people kind of traveled and followed Manson and when buosi came in and did his prosecution he erased them from the store he removed any trace of them having anything to do with the group it's a really crazy wild story crazy so

you have and yeah you have a lot of compelling evidence that you write about that Manson was almost being tracked by authorities before he killed tapate spawn Ranch was actually raided and bugged so it was like they could hear like like Manson sort of plotting out the murder and reev witson this mysterious guy who would tell everybody you know his friends and family that he was CIA knew about no he wouldn't actually say that he would say he worked for the government but he couldn't say who he worked for okay and uh it wasn't until a year or two before he died he

told about three or four five people who are very close to him his daughter his lawyer who told me uh reluctantly that he had said to them that he was working in an undercover operation where he had infiltrated the Manson family for this government agency and uh his dying regret was he could have prevented the murders from happening and he said I was there at the crime scene the night of the murders he said I

wasn't there when they occurred I came after and saw the aftermath and left before the police came and there's actually sound evidence and other physical evidence that shows there was somebody at the property Manson did go back and he's never said who he went back with so yeah you're dealing with a lot of kind of shady crazy [ __ ] um that uh to say the least yeah but it all kind of falls into place we have a lot of evidence that maybe government had you

know knew more about this stuff and maybe maybe Manson was some sort of construct the question is like motive like why why would you kill a beautiful pregnant movie star in the form of Sharon Tate who you know America loved he's knocking on the chaos door and the coel pro door exactly so the CIA had another operation called operation chaos which began in 1967 in San Francisco and it was set up to do what the FBI also had a program

doing called Co inel Pro it was all investigated the agencies admitted they did it coal Pro and Chaos were designed to neutralize the leftwing movement and the black militant movement in the United States in ' 67 so by ' 67 the Panthers were becoming really powerful the Black Panthers the anti-war movement was real the the war was escalating people didn't trust the Pres President Johnson and Johnson and edar J edar

Hoover the head of the FBI believe that the biggest threat to the United States at that time was internal that the youth was going to overthrow the country and take over and they needed to do something to stop it so chaos was started and coel pro were started and they would get agents to infiltrate the groups and then do among other things get them to provoke the groups to commit crimes that they could actually get shot and killed by agents

waiting in the course of the crimes like a bank robbery or or gun theft stealing guns uh also they were trying to provoke them to kill one another uh particularly the Black Panthers who were splintering a lot there was a lot of rivalries among different from Panther groups in different cities and there were other black militant groups in Los Angeles there was something called the us slaves there were two black us slaves killed at UCLA campus in' 68 which the FBI

admitted when another whistleblower came out in in the 70s that those two murders had been pretty much orchestrated by FBI agents on the orders of the people in Washington about 6 seven months before the Sharon tape murders which if you don't know it was a horrible horrible murder I mean it's bad enough that she was 8 and a half months pregnant but the four victims that were stabbed were stabbed more than 200 times there was blood writing on the wall uh it was a real horrific crime scene and

the Tate house kind of represented liberal Hollywood it was a party house um the white celebrities in La were starting to support the pan Panthers financially they were doing fundraisers they actually had a group uh I forget what the name was now not called the white panthers but it was Friends of the Panthers and famously you know Jane Fonda Jean seberg Warren batty Marlon Brando um Donald southernland they were having meetings Hoover wrote a memo to the head of the LA field office in

November of 68 saying what we have to get these white supporters of the Panthers to fear is that when the revolution finally happens they're going to be lined up uh against against the wall and slaughtered with the rest of the white population and then that August you know five white people were slaughtered in a house that really was PARTA of the embodiment of the left-wing Hollywood establishment Manson himself he was an aspiring musician right you there's actually on YouTube there's uh

one of his songs I think it's like look at your game girl is that right it's like got over 2 million views and it's like eerily like not that bad like music Neil Young he was and he was also living with Dennis Wilson one of the Beach Boys and there's a lot of different chapters to the story you know Manson infiltrated The Rock and Roll World in 1968 through the drummer for The Beach Boys Dennis wi Wilson who became mesmerized by him allowed the girls and Manson to live in his house in the Pacific Palisades for

about two months until they trashed the house trashed his rolls gave him VD um stole his money and he threw them all W and so the the overall point is if you're trying to co-opt counterculture what do you do you have a this construct of a guy that like looks like and acts like a hippie kind of a counterculture revolutionary type and you make him do some really bad Savage stuff and you have Don at tart famous author writing August 8th 1969 you know that was the

of the yippies Hoffman and them were paranoid and did think they had been infiltrated by people who were trying to set them up and what happened with the Manson case was within a week of his arrest there's on the cover of every newspaper in the in the world a magazine and it was confusing cuz the women are 17 18 19 they're wearing love beads they have long hair they've got babies breastfeeding uh and they look like the

hippies you saw you know in Life Magazine but these women are accused of being a murderers Savage murderers and they're kind of playing into it to the reporters and overnight people became terrified of hippies um they wouldn't pick them up hitchhiking anymore it really I if the chaos and coel Pro's goal was to make Society fear the left wi and fear what was happening they accomplished it with that act those murders what do you think Manson was

taught because even until until the end like I think he had this this interview with uh Charlie Rose right and he was like there's like a reality warp like there's this like weird effect that he has and he was dating like a beautiful I think uh woman in in her mid 20s like at the end of his life while he's in prison so he is able to have some like magnetic weird culty pull on the outside world while he's in prison so star was a woman who came from Ohio just like a million women before her but when Manson was

free she was drawn to him she was beautiful and she became his girlfriend she lived outside the prison Gates we don't have conjugal visits in in the state of California so she could only go in and hold his hand and sit with him and she had a relationship with them until he found out that she was also [ __ ] Greywolf who was his guy outside the wall who managed his publicity and and everything so star ended up drifting away Charlie a friend of mine who was

very close to Charlie said it was the only time he ever heard Charlie Charlie cry cuz he was so brokenhearted that star had cheated on him with his best friend star is now either engaged to or married to an actor named Vincent Gallow who umal she lives with the Malibu is Buffalo 66 wow yeah crazy who was obsessed with Manson has a the largest collection of mens and art memorabilia and and wanted to play him

there were several movie projects were that were being developed and if you know the guy you can see why he'd be perfect to play Charlie and I met him at a party just this past uh fall and introduced myself and I asked him if it was true cuz I'd heard the rumor and he said yeah yeah stars with me what's the tip of the spear on your research now um Jolly West reported to the CIA in 1955 that uh he had developed the technology to implant false memory

in a person and remove true memories using a combination of drugs and hypnosis without that person's knowledge and it would would be permanent and that was in 1955 so that's like five six seven years into the program it went another 10 or 12 years when they had the Congressional hearings the CIA said they were going to turn over all the documents they had which weren't a lot cuz they destroyed most of the things well they summarized West's report and I had West's original report it's one of

the documents I found at UCL and in the original report he makes that pronouncement to them that he had successfully done really the most important thing that they needed to do when they the document that ended up at Congress and is in the record that paragraph is missing they took that out they censored it they didn't redact it they just acted like it never existed they re drafted the doc his document I think that there they be idiots not to still use it I have no

evidence I don't report on anything after like the 70s because um I'm doing a second book a followup and I'm still just trying to to stick to the 1940s through about 75 and I'm looking real hard at Manson's life in prison before he was released um he was in federal institutions from the time he was 12 or 13 uh and in the institutions he was in starting out in the east coast um in Ohio and Pennsylvania uh

Washington DC National boys school there was MK Ultra research going on at all those places that he was at and they were looking for ad and boys who were prone to Crime uh and prone to violence who had no families no network of support outside that would be concerned about what happened to them and that was Charlie that's who he was should we open it up to Q&A sure sure if anybody has a question you mentioned that MK Ultra may have had an objective of subverting sort

of hippie culture and making it seem like a threat does that assume a level of competence of government entities that is realistic you know they took the fall for it they look like fools uh but that was what the sacrifice they had to make to keep it going and to protect what they had hi um could you speak a little bit about the alleged connection between the Grateful Dead the CIA and MBK Ultra cuz that's fascinating to me yeah yeah so the dead were early Distributors of LSD free LSD and the

hate at their concerts in Golden Gate Park and osley Stanley was the one who was the chemist who was making it I haven't looked a lot into that since my book came out you know I get lots and lots of people contacting me with information and I've kept the file on the people who have the Oley Stanley was a CIA agent and the dad knew what he was doing and why he was doing it but I don't have any real personal original

reporting on that it's just stuff I'm starting to collect now okay awesome guys thank you so much than very much for indulging us yeah