Something Big Happened In 12,000 BC...

the pyramids and we think wow that's incredible look at the achievements but what about under the ground there was a whole network of rooms and Cavities underneath the Sphinx the entire area of Giza may have an entire Subterranean area underneath it you realize the implications of what you're saying you're saying that NASA figured out that we're actually living in these sort of civilizational cycles and they're hiding it and in order to cover it up they blocked all knowledge of the binary star companion so that that whole cycle would not be understood you're of the opinion that this dead star is headed towards

certain point he's done an amazing job along with Randle Carlson and many others as far as I think really proving out the younger dras impact Theory this idea that at the latter end of the uh last ice age there was maybe this Comet airburst from the Tor meteor stream that wiped out some Proto civilization some civilization that existed prior to ours he speculates as to what that civil ization is he talks about the Atlantean myth which comes from Plato but I think

where Graham falls short and he'll admit he falls short at times is actually proving out that that Proto civilization definitely existed characterizing them who were they what did they you know do what were their mythologies how did they live what technology did they have and I think you're sort of taking things to a whole other level with your work as far as you know really discovering what this civilization was all about and you know what they were building and uh you're figuring out conflations that were made

between this civilization and other civilizations that are much less old and so I couldn't be more excited to have you man thanks Jesse it's great to be here I'm looking forward to this conversation definitely yeah it's going to be a blast so okay I want to start in the most basic possible kind of starting point and so how did you get into the idea that there's sort of this big civilizational cover up there's you know the civilization before ours it got wiped out uh how how did you get into that idea to begin with well I've had

this Natural Curiosity for a lot of my life you know seeing early movies that that showed Lost Civilization type of Concepts and advanced things that were long ago long before were told and I have to give a lot of credit to Graham Hancock and R Carlson they definitely spearheaded me um a lot of early on in my in my journey of understanding this and kind of doing that that wow factor of like wait a minute so things perhaps are very different than we're taught in school and in which archaeology uh

positions themselves on giving an an idea of what our history looked like in what's called a gradualism kind of way right where we were primitive once long ago hunter gatherers and then our current ERA of going from Iron Age um Bronze Age you know up until our current age is this linear growth and that's all we've been taught but really to me if you look at all the evidence that's been mounting right I just got back from turkey with Dr Robert shock who is one of the main players that was brought

over by John Anthony West to go investigate the Sphinx enclosure to see if it is truly wind erosion as archaeologists and geologists had postulated or whether or not it's really water erosion because that really matters because it takes that whole dating of the idea of the Sphinx being created at a much much earlier time that's where a lot of this blossomed is those kinds of things let's set this up for the audience real quick so if you were to talk to like the you know Egypt Ministry of culture they would tell you you know that the the Sphinx was built

in you know modern Egyptian Kingdom yeah and uh in fact what people like Robert shock and John Anthony West have found is that there's water erosion damage on the nose of the Limestone of the Sphinx and that this would show that there's some sort of maybe tropical climate that it originally existed and people like Graham Hancock have followed up on this to say that maybe actually uh it was a lion to begin with fully and so this lined up with the Leo which was the constellation that was the vernal

equinox shift occurring in 10,500 BC around the time maybe it was actually built and that much later it was sort of retrofitted with this fonic headdress exactly and that's actually one of the themes that we're going to be discussing throughout this talk is the idea that you have a civilization emerge at a later time period we'll call it we'll start by saying the dynastic Egyptians okay kufu and right ramsy and all these others that actually found and emerged

out of what was a much earlier civilization that had been there and what they did and looks like increasing evidence is showing that is that they adopted those sites but not only adopted them they tried to claim them that they were basically the ones who built them and recarved certain things like what you said as I believe 100% that if you look at the way that the body of the Sphinx is versus the head the head's too small because the head was never supposed to be that size it was built in proportion with the body and like you

said I believe as well it was a lion and that it was basically what we think of as a guardian the Ancients believed that if you created something to be uh this a certain types of spirit IR spirit animals like lions and Eagles and different things they embodied this protective aspect and so they would create and we're going to get into that a lot of stuff with turkey is that they created these artifacts and these symbols and murals and statues that shows these protector creatures that

were basically part of guarding things like ancient libraries and underground areas and that's what I believe the Sphinx is is essentially it's guarding an entire Subterranean area underneath it that we look at the Giza Plateau we look at the pyramids and we we think wow that's incredible look at the achievements but what about under the ground how do how do you think there's something under the ground there well um again I was just in just with uh Dr Robert shock in in uh in turkey and we were talking extensively over dinner about how he was part in spearheading

these um sonar these readings basically ground pending trading type of radar sonar under the ground looking at voids underneath the ious in seeing these massive massive voids with actual objects present so for instance what objects are well you can have you can have uh cavities that water can naturally erode right something where it's like oh it's like a cave underneath well no because they're look like they they're clearly been cut with tools or

whatever they use to cut them and there are again like I said there are objects down there that have you like blocks or things like that that are not natural and so we know and we picked that up with sonar has anybody gone down there and tried to verify well this is this is the story and I'll I'll tell this story is that when the in the 90s when they found these massive voids and it's not just under the Sphinx it's under the Great Pyramids as well they all connect with these like Subterranean underworld type of areas they found that there was

a whole network of rooms in cavities underneath the Sphinx as the first area that then led to literally all the entire area of Giza may have an entire Subterranean area underneath it now we're told by things like uh Edgar Casey and others that there was like an ancient library that was supposed to be underneath the Great Sphinx that had the records of you know ancient ancient times and all these secrets and things like that they called it um they was

called the halls of mentee that led to this this ancient library now when they found these voids we know that there are four entrances four underneath this the Sphinx there's one under the left paw there's one on the top of the head and you can actually if you go like online right now and look up um like you know tunnel on top of the head you can see it it's capped off on top there's one on the back side um and then there's another one on the on the one one of the

other sides of the Sphinx so there's three to four entrances that are known about so is the Sphinx Hollow no it's made out of actually the Bedrock so it's it was an entire in uh section of Bedrock that they took all the sides away when you say an entrance coming from the head what do you entering it's carved down into this Bedrock body okay the entire Sphinx is not made out of stones put together it's made out of a Bedrock Foundation body so it's just cut out of the Bedrock and so they have tunnels especially Robert shock

determine that the one under the Paw I think it might actually be the right paw so the Sphinx is like a gate to Gateway it's like a guardian that's guarding guarding these entrances that go into like ancient libraries wow okay now why can't we go down well this is what happened when they determined in the 90s and they had these um basically types of ground penetrating radar like different types of ways that they were determining it to find the voids they published them and they kind of went viral and everyone's like oh my God what's what's down there and the Egyptian authorities

came through and they boarded up the front of the Paw with boards literal boards and blocked it off and then what they did is very clever they ended up drilling down to prove to the public that there was no voids but they purposely went where that wasn't entrances just drilling down into rock and say look there's nothing here and it was very very misleading and clever so that people are like oh shoot so there weren't really voids down there it was just like an opening that's from

rainwater or something and they tricked people do you think they're simultaneously going down there there and Excavating question is have they ever been down um there's there's really no answer to that to no but if that was if you knew about that and you deliberately didn't go down and then you literally boarded it up the whole front of the Sphinx is now boarded up that would to me be something where you're trying to kind of Silence who took the first sonar readings it was Robert jock was part of a team a whole a whole team

that was that was basically looking down and taking this type of ground penetrating radar to is he not campaigning and outraged and saying we should be going down there or what there are steps that need to happen there are many many many millions of dollars that need to be obtained and then universities that have to be brought into this um it's something that uh I know that he would potentially be interested and we would we would like other groups and others that are interested to come together to try to bring this back again and uh reignite

this uh under under ground exploration of the Subterranean areas of Giza and I think it will happen in the future and I get maybe this this types of conversations are what's needed to get that started again do you have a hypothesis as to what me might be down there I think there are entire Chambers and I think there probably is a library now if that library was made out of paper it wouldn't exist anymore because paper only survives for 500 to A Thousand Years which would mean that it had to be had be something like tablets with uh like type of kinor or

hieroglyphics carved into it whatever it is would have to be able to survive literally 10,000 years um underground which is not again paper would never be able to so you'd have to have other means so if the Sphinx were actually built around 10,500 BC what sort of writing would you expect to find down in these tunnels well that's the question is whether or not a hieroglyphics like we see in in dynastic Egyptians was even the type of language that they used and that where that's going to come up again

when we talk about copor it's a writing style uh that we see out of throughout Mesopotamia now to be very clear if you were not to carve some kind of writing into stone or clay there would simply be no method that we know exists for how to leave leave a message now I'll give one caveat to that there could be some type of technology that they incorporated into stone that could have a way to

record information that we don't understand yet because I say that because there because there was a very specific reason that these civilizations would get certain kinds of stone so they would not be like oh hey look there's some Bedrock to our right or left let's go cut those blocks out of that they didn't do that they didn't that didn't seem to matter to them that in fact the distance that they were willing to go to obtain certain Stone um was even irrelevant to them give you an example all the pink GR it we find throughout

the Giza Plateau came from 500 miles away to the south in the Awan Quarry that was your only source of this type of pink Granite which of course is extremely high in silica quartz which is the same substance that we use for watches so is there something there with uh keep recording messages in that that we don't understand I want to throw that out as a possibility so that I don't say that the only form of writing would be like K of former hieroglyphics in stone

do you think that the Great Pyramids of Giza were also built around that period much earlier than well and this is an interesting um dilemma is that first of all we know they're at least 10,500 BC and that's the first thing to point out because number one that's when we have these alignments with different star constellations okay there's something called The King and queen's chamber that face different constellations right the Queen's chamber faces Sirius it's like a

feminine energy and the King's chamber faces Orion the problem is B based on What's called the procession of the equinoxes which is how the Earth wobbles and and looks at different ages and constellations that could not have happened in modern history all the way until you get back to 10,500 BC the problem is that that was an extremely volatile time for Earth's history that was during this period of the older and then the younger Drive which is basically when our we went our Earth

went from the pene Epic to the Holocene epic and we went through these catastrophic periods now we can get into what caused them because I personally don't believe it was an impact and we can get into some of the implications of how there's correlations between both and have similar evidence for what you know they could could lead to that but the problem is if you have extremely volatile periods on the earth it wouldn't make sense to me to be able to build these massive structures during that now John Anthony West uh and I know

like um you know in 10,500 BC that uh civilization that's building specific megalithic architecture would have the cosmic understanding of you know 26,000 years prior like they you know they they really understand these sort of macro Cycles when it comes to you know cosmology and astronomy yeah that seems hard for even me to believe and so that makes me think maybe it is old look I believe that simultaneous to what I'm

saying to play Devil's Advocate you know I do think ancient civilizations had precocious understanding of the stars and they had you know like you could see look at Sumerian architecture where you know it feels like they they understand this heliocentric universe and they have like all the you know planets and their rough alignment having said that you know 26,000 year cycles that feels really crazy but I what do you think I think we shouldn't underestimate the knowledge that these lost civilizations and I say that that's in quotes lost

civilizations understood and that we were completely reset just like Graham Hancock says right a species with amnesia we don't remember who we are we don't remember what we once were and what we once understood and I think that these monuments that basically are evidence I think Left Behind to be the test the last the test of time built out of the hardest stones in the world would be the perfect way to be able to have their memory and their knowledge be

something else going on here well what's always interested to me is you have Aztec Kings you have Nebuchadnezzar you have King Judea of su Sumeria you have all these sort of story of pharaohs with similar stories where they get these downloads and it's like you have to build this structure that's astronomically aligned in a specific way way yeah and Graham Hancock talks about this as well he says probably had more to do with some sort of afterlife ritual I mean traditionally even in a lot of

esoteric versions of modern religions your soul ascends through Orion's Belt and it's there's some sort of weird Ascension path and so is the specific geometric structure of the pyramid somehow this conserved version of that where you know when you when you die you go there and you sort of this portal to some other world something so it's this concept and it's echoed throughout hermeticism and others it's it's known as the law of Correspondence okay and now the specific science behind it is

called geodesi now geodesi is basically creating structures in very specific positions to not only match things like cardinal points and different ratios of like the earth sun and the moon but also star constellations and the Ancients I believe had mastered that knowledge and that Concept in which if you build something that mirrors the stars in an exact way ratio-wise on our Earth and you also incorporate in the uh the the

corresponding aspects of Earth Sun and Moon that you create like a Synergy and it's and and that may be this concept we think about with like a portal it's some kind of a Synergy because the Earth listen it's a giant it's like a it's like a crystal magnet okay it's a crystal that vibrating at a certain resonant frequency that has these geomagnetic poles that use this concept of magnetism and and of course Nicola Tesla believed that Not only was vibration frequency and magnetism like a

core of understanding everything in the universe but he believed that even crystals have like a form of sentient life that they vibrate in a way that other minerals and other Stones don't and they have some kind of an intelligence or something that we don't understand and ifats the case it means that our Earth is literally alive it's a living thing and it's a it's like a being but it's unlike us and that the Sun the and the moon are also like that and that we all have this this connection that is deeper than we

perhaps understand and that constellations like Orion um played a very pivotal part in understanding again like you mentioned if you create that Synergy between the heavens are you creating something between like a portal between soul in different Incarnation cycles and things here and of course we can get down that road as well but geodesi for instance I want to go back to that really quick a lot of these structures on the earth like the Great Pyramid of Giza um as well as things like arido in ancient Sumer and other locations are

built on What's called the 30th parallel it's this part of the earth that is in this quadrant Zone that is basically part of like a hemisphere ratio of the earth and other aspects and when you look at the positioning of these structures all around the world you realize that they were perfect in their time but the very interesting thing that we can get into when we're talking about the civilization that I'm studying even to a greater degree in Eastern Turkey is you find out that there's this type of

Susi type of Temple called a Susi Temple s UI that had openings that faced only the based on solar aspects of the rising and the Setting Sun the problem is none of those Susi temples face directly west or east anymore they're all off and if you look around the world you can see that many of these structures no longer are perfect in their cardinal points or their dire Direction anymore showing us that during these volatile times I believe the Earth's axis

shifted and that would be ultimately one way you were asking earlier before we start the show how could you date these well one way you could date them is by looking at when when they were aligned and and if they're not aligned now it means that something was very different because they didn't make mistakes if I were making a counterargument I might say you are we can't carbon date the stuff which would be the most scientific thing to do but you can't carbonate Stone no and so you know we are then just

retrofitting this current you know observed megalithic architecture which is impossible to build kind of currently like there's nobody can really argue with that the Civil infrastructure and Engineering necessary is just like we don't have currently but we're just finding the time when it lined up astronomically and we're saying that's the time that we built it do we have more evidence that it was it's definitely older than is conventionally understood we we do and there's I can give a couple examples of that one of them and again I just got back from with

Dr Robert shock from turkey and there's a site called ke kesi very Myster ious and enigmatic site with these giant Square Basalt blocks and basalt is one of the hardest stones in the world it's seven on the most hardness scale out of 10 very very hard Stone and it uh has these machine cuts and all of these levels of sophistication that are bizarre and mysterious but on the surfaces of many of them and only on the surfaces that face above we find uh

melting that has taken place literal melting of the stone and Dr Robert Shaw confirmed confirmed on numerous stones that it is indeed vitrification and to obtain that you would have to have temperatures that exceeded 2,000 de to be able to melt this B salt into basically like glass obsidian on the surfaces which is what we're seeing now some some are going to argue right now at this point and I want to play Devil's Advocate they're going to say well fires can do that well if you go to that that

area of the world that I'm talking about around Lake vaugh there are no trees there are no there's no wood W right so if wood back then well if they had built they built out a mud brick on top of these existing structures okay and they Incorporated them in and we're going to get much more deep deeper into this as we go along but it's say you had Timber and things built into the mud brick still how would you have enough heat to be able to do that you're talking about extreme extreme temperature gradients but Al also the stones are severely

degraded severely weathered and degraded from these these events now it's either things like a plasma event we could talk about and you mentioned an impact and I won't completely throw that off the table but there's a Third Way um a massive massive volcanic eruption and that very same thing happened with a mountain called Mount nemat just to the southwest of Lake vau which is where all these sites are surrounding um which is not the same Mountain n that has all the statues on the summit there's actually

super heated air like thousands of degrees was thrust down and and spread around the environment it it it was enough to literally kill people and burn them vaporize them partially so did that get us out of the Ice Age what we're looking at is a series of two major major events and you have a sheet right in front of you now the younger dras is consistently talked about by by Graham and Randall and others but I would like to point out that I believe equally as important is the older dras now there

it's part of the same time period now the older dras was 14 around 14 and a half thousand years ago whereas the younger dras is like 12,000 years ago but they're within the same time period but I think they played together in a very specific way where the younger dras is more like huge impacts on the end of a cycle and the older dras are these huge impacts on the beginning of a cycle and they both played critical critical roles in ending the last ice age which

was uh very very extensive in places like North America and parts of Northern Europe with um both the Eurasian and low and tight ice sheets how long was the Ice Age just for the audience well the Ice Age was well over 20,000 years now not contrary to what some might believe there wasn't ice just covering the entire northern hemisphere in fact one of the one of the uh anomalies that I want to point out that's very interesting is that the ice was centralized around areas that you would

never imagine like for instance Northern Siberia was Ice free right one of the coldest places on Earth that we have today was completely ice free the ice was focused around uh if you were to say a focal point would have been Greenland now that has led to a lot of U theories and hypothesis regarding that the North nor pole the pole was actually over Greenland and not where it is in the Arctic now which would mean that we had a different type of hemispheric effect

where this the ice sheets and where different things were and that may have been part of what shifted the axis of the earth do not underestimate the weight of miles of ice I mean the laurentide ice sheet in North America is estimated to a Bend somewhere between 2 and three miles deep covering all of Canada down into parts the northern United States um and of course continuing up into Greenland and then you have the Eurasian ice sheet but these ice masses are some of the largest that Earth has ever had and when you

have that much weight you can actually cause enough to not only depress um surfaces down into the ground but you can cause so much weight that it's like it almost causes like a a spinning uh spinning uh you know sphere to cause to almost wobble on itself because it has too much weight on the Northern on the on the on the top side interesting and so this you had the ice age for 20,000 years what exactly happens in the older dest and then what happens in the younger Dyas in your assessment well

Greenland ice cap is only 20,000 years old hence the last ice age around 20,000 years during that is that formed 20,000 years ago which means that we only have ice records from Greenland cores for 20,000 years but we get a snapshot of it to look back and see what it was like now what we find is that 145,000 years ago carbon spiked astronomically on the planet and this is going to this is again getting into when we look at modern times of people talking about how

create a lot of different you know Carbon creating this carbon Dio carbon dioxide increase and also what we found is that in Antarctic Ice cores every single time that these Mass spikes of carbon occur we get um temperatures that then follow right after right after now 14 half th000 years ago we had a spike in which temperatures went from some of the coldest we've ever seen and you can see it right in front of you on that sheet some of the coldest we've ever

seen to levels that were even warmer than we are now whoa in but in only like a couple hundred years so how does that happen AC Ral mass ejection is the magnetosphere of the earth which protects us from the Sun is that weakening is there a pole shift that causes the magnet of the Earth the weekend there are all sorts of theories what do you think I believe that a massive CME event unlike anything that we've ever seen in modern human history hit the earth why do you think that well

because if you look at the spike it's immediately at at 145,000 years ago during the older dras it's immediately followed by a drop so drastic that that it ends up being colder than even the Ice Age so you're talking about temperatures that go from an ice age that rise warmer than even now but only that only remain for let's say a hundred years or less and then drop colder instantly so colder than than even the

Ice Age was why would that point to a coronal M injection because if you have a huge amount of heat that hits the Earth and again again that could also potentially argue an impact but let's say one of the two okay you would what what what could only thing that could cause that to happen is if you have an enormous amount of fresh water from glaciers like hence the ice age that melts instantly into the oceans disrupting ocean currents across the

world and basically collapsing things like the Gulf Stream the Gulf Stream for those who don't know is this unbelievably warm current uh of water that comes off of the Caribbean and off of Florida and it Dives Northeast and then basically rides over the Atlantic and it's the only reason why people can live in Iceland and in Scandinavia that area would be a complete uh Barren ice Wasteland if it wasn't for that it's a warm um propeller of energy right that rides up and we

have ocean currents all over the world and ocean currents play a very pivotal role in moving Heat around the planet and also stabilizing things like the climate in fact I think one of the things that's most um not not understood about our climate is the role that o that currents play with the oceans in our in our weather in our climate of the earth and that's why if for instance we had enough fresh water melt into and shut off the Gulf Stream it would be

enough to destabilize U basically the entire planet it's a it's a very fine-tuned system of heat being driven down and moving up through and like it's a whole system but if an asteroid you know if we hit a comet from the T meteor stream and that would also cause some you know quick up versus the coronal mass injection why are you waiting it you know in favor of coronal mass injection well I've never seen I've never been able to find any any evidence of any impact any impact craters anywhere in the earth that are from that age now Graham had brought up the one in

plasma discharges all around the world and that that's how you would essentially get poles moving from Antarctica or sorry from the Arctic over to Greenland is you would have these events where the entire magnetosphere of the earth basically gets um severely weakened and then holes open up and then you get these vitrification types of events and others and that to me the evidence is much more leaning towards a CME event than an impact which would be

more localized to certain areas of the Earth not on this global scale makes sense where do you see the plasma all over the world we see plasma events again some of the best evidences out of um Bolivia out of um out of uh turkey around Kev kesi and others and we see it in Egypt as well there are these giant statues they're actually the largest um stone statues in the world called the colassi of mnon and they have burn marks only on the northeast side which it

lends us to Poss to the possibilities that these um massive heat areas that opened up with the ozone may have come from the Northeast but we still can't date the plasma right no of course we can't we can't date that but we can potentially start to date other things like for instance um maybe we can date soil cores from Lake vau or maybe we can date um uh cores of some of some of these Stones uh you cuz if you can can

bore in you can't date a stone from the outside but if you can bore into it you can potentially find things like uh organic matter deep deep within very microscopic cracks and you you have more of an ability to date them that's how GOC teepe was dated the only reason they were able to date gockley teepe is because the site was believed to be buried you can only date organic matter if it's covered up and concealed because if it's out and it's being exposed to the elements it alter its entire uh

chemistry and you can't date it the same way and what we're looking at right now is the potential that places like kef kesi and even ionis and we can get into that as we go along may have been deliberately buried at a later time interesting so are you hopeful that we can date parts of these monuments that have been covered up because you can it seems like date organic matter that's been buried yeah I think that we're going to be having increasing capabilities revolving around being able

to to date these and then using all capabilities how do you do that well we have new technologies coming out that are enable us to be able to look at these things in a different way there's always new things happening with understanding um the breakdown of carbon organic matter based on uh radioactivity and other things to find dating but I also think that maybe maybe some of the techniques that we're just coming into is understanding where certain sediments in different cores can help us with dating and I think that those Technologies and things and I'm not an

expert in that I don't want to pretend to be um to be able to understand that those things can potentially be dated but only if they come from specific environments in which something unique excuse me something unique occurred in which they were protected does Robert shock agree with your coronal mass ejection Theory Robert that's Robert shock actually that he's the one who really was one of the the top Pioneers um his book forgotten civilizations is the basis behind almost the entire book

was that and I can go into it briefly is that when they were in uh Easter Island um his wife Katie they were looking at this what was thought to be a writing called rango rango okay it's a type of writing out of Easter Island and when they were comparing it to things even like the nasca lines in Peru and other um other areas like maybe Mahendra daro and other types of mysterious writings that don't look like writings one of the theories that they came up with is that they're not actually writings at all they're plasma

discharg uh designs in the sky because we know that um electricity follows very specific patterns who wait you're saying that the nascal lines were like burned into the surface of the Earth no they were imitating potential plasma discharge events in the sky really because maybe they believed that those areas were touched by these are those events and maybe they thought they were sacred or they were were they were showing them if these things plasma discharges in the atmosphere let me let

me give some background on this for a second well we should and also just for the audience's sake NASA I believe was like 200 BC to 600 adish or something it's in Peru and uh you have these all these amazing it seems like artwork that only Mak sense from an aerial view and they you know over wide distances and seems you know like it would involve some sort of precocious astronom IAL or artistic knowledge to make and it's this big sort of mystery that will play endlessly on Gaia and you know History

Channel yeah I used to work a GU for two and a half years did you really interested I I wrote I worked on shows like ancient civilizations check out season season four and five if you want to see some of me in that work that explains you're kind of like you have the trippiness and then you also have the you know hardcore you know I think what's really important is marrying uh stuff that comes from instinct to resarch and empiricism and that's I think good science and I think it's kind of an alchemical process because it comes from the inside but then it's being extremely rigorous about

you know I had this intuition but I'm not superimposing that onto reality well and also the the aspect of the metaphysical nature of reality right I think that's a very uh it ends up being not really uh married together with the science aspect they tend to like be very separated right oh the science aspect we're going to look at only the physical third dimension aspects of Science and evidence but really there like a lot of things that are disconnecting is how metaphysical sides of of of the universe

and our like Spirit right and and and those Concepts have to have to connect and play in yeah and we paint over the past with a modern epistemic brush and we say you know these sites were just you know the they were built in these sort of materialist reductionist ways and they were used for sort of prosaic reasons we have no idea how these people from the past actually thought and the word Gaia actually you know I like it in the context of Gaia Theory you know James Lovelock you know late 19th

century that the Earth itself is somewhat alive or just at least extremely resilient that's what the Ancients believed they called it Tiamat or Gaia Gaia was the the Greek term but they believed that it was a living uh type of being that's not like us and they also believe that the sun is just the same thing m um they're like entities and then in ancient cultures had names for them like utu was the name for the sun god an ancient suer but let me get back to something that we were talking about that I think is important

the plasma events okay when you when if you if the Earth was going to get hit by one of these massive CME events which we've it's interesting how the Aurora Borealis is further south than we've seen it in a very very long time right now people are freaking out right and that's potentially you know this guy on Twitter um space weather news yeah you know what I'm talking about he's freaking out about you know and I I never know how seriously it take I mean clearly we've seen more more more solar activity this year than than ever and it seems to be ramping up and you have all

these flares um and he attributes that to a weakening of the magnetosphere of the earth and I I agree and because if you look at the should we be freaked out Mt or the world about if you look at the great year which again is about it's about 25 and a half to 6 26,000 years right uh half of that is cuz it's like it's call it 20 25,000 but it's like 24,600 half of that is 12,000 with change uh these events that occurred during the younger dras with what I believe was the last CME event um was 12

and a half thousand years ago so we're literally exactly in that time period and we're seeing these extreme warming and these uh these plasma likee type of weakening of the magnetosphere type of events just like we saw then this is not at all scientific this is purely my own like you know it's like asserting free will or something like that something I I sort of refuse to go outside the bounds of so it's I'll admit this is kind of dogmatic but like I just don't believe that every 12,500 years there's just a hard reset button like we've got

to have some sort of agency around let me I can go into that if you want to I actually have some evidence you probably haven't heard of yet that might blow your mind on that please okay so again like I mentioned there's always indications that these things are going to happen way ahead of time right CO2 spikes temperatures Spike you get these geomagnetic events with these Aurora Borealis right you see them now the next level and if we start seeing this we need to worry is plasma discharge designs in the sky which is what I was just talking about with what was Dr Dr

Robert shock's theory on like a wrango wrango text and even potentially the nascal lines is that they're actually these geometric formations that occur in the sky based on massive amounts of what are called charged solar particles that come into our upper atmosphere and they create these very interesting electromagnetic designs okay now I want to discuss um something that might be new to you um and if you're interested in seeing an image of what I'm talking about it's on the the the bottom of my main page of my website the stageof

time.com in 1987 there was an encyclopedia that came out called a new Science Encyclopedia okay and this is back before computers really up and running or we didn't have that capability so information you really got through like encyclopedias right that's where things came through well it had this unbelievable image on I think page 2,488 if something like that where it showed and it didn't say really much about it all it said is um the following

image is a diagram based on Pioneer 10 and 11 probes okay and then it said like oh we sent out a plaque on it blah blah blah well what it shows and I can get into what Pioneer 10 and 11 found because it directly relates to this entire great year this entire cycle and how might help you understand why this stuff keeps happening at 12,000 to 12,500 years every time interesting okay yeah is that what they found and this may be new to people and it may blow a lot of minds and I would again encourage

people to go to my website and see that image by the way which is very hard to find online it was seemed like it was scrubbed across a lot of things I ended up digging in and finding a pdf version of it that was like somebody might have emailed it to me or whatever um where I got a high def definition version of it and then I scanned it and then I uploaded it and like so like we need to preserve this right where was it taken exactly well um okay I'll I'll go back and tell you how this started yeah in um in the

1970s there were the first probes ever in history that were sent out in deep space it's funny to me how people have only heard of Voyager right they're like oh Voyager Voyager no Pioneer the Pioneer came before Voyager hence the name Pioneer it was the first deep Spa deep space probes we ever sent out into Interstellar space okay you have if you think about neighborhoods of space the area between us and the Sun is this actually quite small little neighborhood

the um our outer solar system is this whole other vast area beyond the Sun that then basically is bordered by What's called the Kyper belt right I'm sure Graham talked about that being impacted by the torid meter shower right torid meter shower comes through and one of the theories is it can bump around some of these Kyper Bell objects which are giant giant asteroids uh and comets in the outer outer part of our solar system that basically dwarf our our asteroid belt around Mars that is like

nothing compared to this okay well Pioneer 10 gets sent out One Direction and Pioneer 11 gets sent out another Direction and they were basically sent out to study gravitational protrusions on the outer planets of Uranus and Neptune they wanted to understand wait what the heck why are these Giant Gas planets tilted on their axis and then as you get closer to the inner solar system and I'm not a I'm not an astrophysicist but I can fill in some blanks here um why they would be

tilted on their a say something gravitationally is affecting them right is it our sun wait it can't be our sun how can they be tilted like that and in fact our entire solar system is tilted slightly on on an axis so what happened is they send they send out the probes in the early in during the 1970s both of them they send them in completely different directions remember space is 3D so it's not like a linear paper right it's got Mass it's it's got everything so you have to go different directions to try to understand how to create like a model right mhm well in the early

1980s Pioneer 10 and 11 made history because they were the first probes to leave our inner solar system okay so they they get out past the gravitational influences of the Sun and they they start passing out passing Beyond uh the Kyper belt and when they do that boy did they find something now you I'm surprised I'm not surprised you haven't heard of it actually very few have what do they find well the thing is funny about it is that if you go and look look

up Pioneer 10 11 you're not going to find very much information and I don't want to necessarily just spend a lot of time going down a conspiracy Road here but I will tell you that it seems apparent that the internet was scrubbed of information regarding Pioneer 1011 what evidence do you have well there was an astronomer out of NASA yeah um actually out of um yeah named Thomas um two astronomers one named Thomas van lter and the other named Robert Harrington Robert Harrington was a very

very um important uh astronomer who worked for the Navy sorry not not NASA for the Navy he was a chief astronomer for the Navy okay well he's studying the outer solar system he gets a call one day from Thomas van flandern Thomas van flandern is an astronomer as well who's actually a very interesting man I wish he got more attention very smart used to talk about even things like ancient history being different than we're told and things like that very smart guy um he calls up Robert Harton he's like hey Robert you gotta check out this data

from Pioneer 10 right there's something going on um in the outer solar system and Robert uh Robert Harrington's like okay I'll look into it and they look into this new data that's coming back from Pioneer 10 and they their minds are blown okay what Pioneer 10 found and 11 was not only a planet okay now I don't want this to be confused with things like uh Zechariah sit's idea of Nibiru

that that was actually a whole another story in itself of something I think was maybe even created to mislead this whole thing okay there's no planet that comes through our inner solar system that would destroy everything no um but what they did find is a large planet beyond the Kyper belt okay part of what is called the outer solar system not something that has a lot of information in fact the Kyper belt wasn't found until the early 1990s it's relatively new that we even

knew that again based on uh a lot of the data coming back from the Pioneer probes which started to leave that area in the in the in the in the early 80s and through that period now there in the 90s there was an announcement by NASA and I do believe this was a real announcement where they did announce this planet and they called it Planet n or Planet 10 based on before Pluto got demoted and they actually and I don't if anybody listening to this might remember that there was it was actually pretty widespread on the news

they're like oh there's this large uh Planet beyond our sun that is uh very mysterious it seems to have a mass based on gravitational influences of four to five times the size of Earth massive huge Planet okay very weird and mysterious wait where is it positionally it's it's beyond Pluto yes way Beyond Pluto okay it's in it's way beyond our inner solar system and it's not part of the rotation around the Sun at all wow it's very very mysterious okay so what

sort of gravitational pull is it following we wait wait till you find out this is where it get the same causing the wobble this is where it gets Wild on this in the same analysis and remember Pioneer data was coming in in increments over time as you're going further out you get more data so it's not like you know everything right away it's like figuring things out so the first thing they found was this planet and they they they initially announced it okay and everyone's like oh whoa how how that how could that be possible um well the interesting thing was that the

encyclopedia showed the entire diagram but the weird thing was it was the only place that it ever existed ever again all the data from Pioneer was essentially scrubbed after what was it orbiting around well when scientists have studied are uh the known universe okay I'll say that because we only have a limited view of what we can see with distant stars but when they've studied other stars like Sirius and other ones kenis major they find out that 80% of all known stars are binary or trary

meaning that having a single star or sun is actually far more rare you would have an 80% chance that wouldn't be the case you saying we are in a binary solar system there's another there's another star that we're not aware of another sun and but the thing is that when okay when Pioneer 10 and 11 got far enough out Beyond this planet that they detected and if you can't see it it's just based on its gravitational influences again they never you can't see like oh there's

a bright Planet flying by it doesn't work that way the planets if they don't if planets are not illuminated by some kind of an object they're black yeah they're just it's just the space is black and you don't even know except the influence it has when web pick it up well again you'd have the space is is infinitely difficult to pin down a very specific part and I can get into all the Caltech studies after that support this okay okay so this is not just one area Caltech has since jumped on top of this you can go on caltech's website and read

all about how this planet is um I one of the one of theot name of the planet one of the well they don't have a name they call it Planet 10 originally now Planet N9 based on the demotion of Pluto okay okay Caltech actually one of the astronomers there was basically said that he believes there a 99% N9 chance that it exists based on its effects on the Kyper Bell and other gravitational effects and it's four to five times larger than the earth okay so NASA announces that yeah then they go

completely quiet they never announce anything else ever again from Pioneer 10 in fact all data on Pioneer 10 and 11 pass the Kyper belt Beyond this Robert Harrington's work and Thomas van flandern and uh 1987 science intervention is cyclopedia became the only sources it was very bizarre if you have something of that much importance that finds things to not have any information as again screaming towards some kind of a scrubbing of information

a hiding why would why would they cover this because they found something what they find well according to the diagram in 1987 encyclopedia the way that Pioneer 10 and by the way Pioneer 10 had these spectrometers on board that were literally made to detect objects which is very interesting because if they're investigating a tilt on Uranus and Neptune clearly they looking they're looking for something okay well they detect a signature of that was

undeniable because there's specific wording in that diagram and it says and I I will quote remember tyer 10 and 11 went completely different directions in our solar system they say they found equal pole doesn't matter where they were in our solar system as they left they found equal pole of something massive on our entire solar system something gravitationally is so powerful that it was basically influencing our

entire solar system including the sun okay and what they found they called it a dead star okay now it's not a brown dwarf it was a dead star that had uh essentially maybe Supernova long ago whatever happened to it it no longer had the fusion of a star like our sun which is why you can't see it it literally now you know there's only two things that can happen to a star when it dies right it either

explodes or it shrinks down into an unbelievably dense object but that object still has very very power powerful um gravitational influences well but not everything does that not everything just becomes a black hole in fact some scientists believe that those are more like the center of galaxies and different things like that instead this object was identified as a dead star not as and but and they and

they determined that the distance ready for this based on its its influence at the time and this is like 1984 1983 that they that this data came back cuz the encyc came out encycopedia came out in ' 87 they determined at that time that it was 50 billion miles from her from from the Pioneer probes 50 billion miles okay now when that occurred Robert um Thomas F Thomas van

flandern and Robert Harrington found out about that now all I will say is that they both died of throat cancer not within a few years of each other but they both died of throat cancer they didn't smoke uh and they it was a very mysterious thing because they were the only two people that were investigating this outer planet and potentially this binary star companion and then there was a man named Miles SSH who was the head of U that

became a very prominent astronomer in the department and he was like everyone's like wait a minute what about this planet and all this stuff right my sanish did a bunch of calculations mathematically and was like you know what we made a mistake Robert Robert um Thomas van Flander made a mistake Robert Robert Harrington made a mistake turns out all the data is wrong and there's no Planet that's out there huh Boom the thing just disappeared and it was and it like went

completely silent everyone's like okay never mind what's the motive to cover this up because I believe it's the entire reason why the great year exists and why we have resets of civilizations and why we have entire cycles of catastrophes and uh which is based I believe on what are known as the Yuga Cycles out of India right the Cali the call they called the Cali Yuga Cycles based on civilizations rising and falling caluga right but there are various Yuga Cycles yeah yeah yeah so

there the the Yuga Cycles track the cycles of basically civilization rising and falling based on these ages during the great year so you go from right you rise up to a golden age you get wiped out you fall back and then you have to start up again from like an iron and Bronze Age and then a silver age and then a gold age and then it resets itself well what could possibly exist to keep a consistency of these Cycles other than this now think about this for a minute

if you if you if anyone's ever seen it there's a documentary I highly recommend called the great year amazing you can go actually watch it on YouTube uh amazing amazing documentary has a great narrator uh who just passed away recently um very well known uh I can't remember his name name off my head but uh in that documentary I believe they got one thing really really wrong but they got everything else right they postulated that the great year was based on a dance of uh our binary companion but these

thought it was serious now that makes no sense to me at all because first of all serious is so far away it's makes 50 billion miles of this binary look like it's in our it's in our backyard so that makes zero sense to me that that's related to the great year in the dance of our sun so I want to just point that out however what does make sense is that this dead star having this massive dance called parhelion and aelion parhelion is when something comes the

closest and appah helion is when it's leaving well it turns out that in the great in the greate documentary ancient civilizations believed that that entire dance was based on they called it a our black son they called it you ever heard of black hle black Sun Bowie right black Sun's also kind of this age old the cult symbol well they that turns out there's some truth in this that there was knowledge of a black of a of a Dark Star a partner star to our own

Sun some say the binary model confirms all of our Celestial observations without the need for excessive torque or epicycle type explanations while the concept of a second sun challenges our present understanding of the solar system it is hardly a new idea there's one sun which is part of the planetary system and there's one sun outside the solar system and this allows mithas to both be the Sun and also seem to be operating for the Sun or on behalf of

the Sun the Ancients had some knowledge on it there's different areas even the um there's there's a whole bunch of areas we that would be a whole part of the show but I just want to say and not not getting that but just say that basically that there seems to be a dance between this dead binary star with our sun and every time that that dance is based on a 25,000 approximately 25,000 year full cycle now half of that during Peri helion is 12,500 years when it

believe that this binary is the reason why these consistent events every 12,000 12,500 years or so you know even even 14 they're they're all in that realm are occurring on a consistent basis but the yugas are different lengths aren't they they're based on the rise and fall of civilizations consciously and they and there's other I'm not that's not the only factor that goes into the yugas there's galactic center alignments there's planetary alignments it's not just one thing and so it's not the

weakening of the magnetosphere of the earth necessarily it's the need for the sun to expel Mass to a gravit which then weakens which then weakens which in turn then weakens and I believe that is what caused the entire destruction of Mars because Mars used to clearly have water clear really had life right you can actually see some images if the rover images are actually even from Mars that have trilobites in some of the areas on there and uh one of the very

well-known and accepted you know theories is that Mars once had an atmosphere it took the brunt of a massive CME event that stripped the entire atmosphere and then basically had the water evaporate out into space and then it turned into this Barren Planet but not only that but um it may have been based completely on a plasma events and I I want to just mention that is that there is a trench a gorge on Mars called Vias marinaras okay that is

there's like five times deeper than the Grand Canyon Okay and it is the feather design of it may actually be based on a massive type of plasma like events which can literally impact entire planets if it's bad enough and create scarring and even mountains based on if you they've shown studies with how electricity impacts things they create like a feather-like environment or they even create bulges almost like um types

of emergences of land moving up and down by by the types of energy that can impact it now Mars is covered in billions to trillions of just these rocks scattered across the planet all the planet like they were thrown out in a lot left in the atmosphere but then others literally fell back down onto the planet and it looks like that that planet is is an perfect example of how these CMA CME events can destroy an

planet so you realize the implications of what you're saying you're saying that NASA figured out that we're actually living in these sort of civilizational cycles that we really have no control over they're kind of these hard resets exactly maybe we're headed towards one right now and in ordering and in order to cover it up they blocked all knowledge of the binary star companion so that that whole cycle would not be understood that's insane is it though I don't know I mean I need to I need if there was an asteroid details and I'm not I'm not saying this an apocalyptic

way because I would actually the next part of this is we should talk about how I believe we may be able to prevent that okay what I mean is if you knew about if governments knew about a giant asteroid coming towards the Earth or a would they tell everybody Maybe not maybe not Widespread Panic complete um uh Society collapsing and it's you're of the opinion that this dead star is headed towards the sun now yes and so do you have you know based on your cycles of

what we see in in in ice cores throughout Antarctica and greenand of a consistency and what's your model of how much time we have left based on that we're right in it right now so like very interesting how Consciousness seems to rise at the same time that the Sun starts to emit more energy and and this gets into like again lost civilizations what they knew yeah right uh I actually believe that part of the function of the Great Pyramid of Giza and other structures um was a balancing the energy

yeah of the Earth yeah and that maybe they had understood that these Cycles exist because okay let me give example yeah uh in hermeticism one of the core there's these there's these laws that exist hermeticism is ancient Greek Knowledge from Hermes which is basically just Egyptian knowledge as well it's the same thing they they believe Hermes was based on both exactly so The Emerald Tablets they believed that Cycles govern everything okay that the law of car correspondence governs everything that

there's these that there are these Core Concepts right that that are woven into everything they're just that's the way it is that's how it's designed right and we can even get into the nature of that I known of a problem that with that but that there is an actual very intelligent design behind our universe and that the Earth is actually a lot more important than we we know that it's part of again we are talking about like a soulle Incarnation Place through Orion and that it's not just necessarily happening

everywhere else but that it's this is a very important place and that we are not the only ones that are um governing that that there's something higher that's governing uh the Cycles here and balance because that's everything that's shown in these artifacts and things that we're about to talk about from around Lake vaugh is it literally shows the same thing over and over and over again it shows this balancing of everything balance and uh

basically teaching Humanity about the nature of who we really are and being like bringing us back to the light like if we were if our if our soulle journey was like basically starting at a higher place and then wandering through the darkness and then eventually returning back to the light again all everything's based on cycles and it seems like we are the microcosm our journey here is like a microcosm of the entire macrocosm that and so we are playing a bigger role than we know and at the same

in many ways um for instance under the Great Pyramid and under many of these structures we have Subterranean water like aquifers right that are basically conductor and they were they were covered in Limestone and they had Granite which has a quartz in it it seems very much a function of geometry and physics to create something so but how would that save the Earth from this massive Death Star well it it didn't yeah let me give you an example if you go to Sakara Egypt right you can go down to What's called the serapium I'm sure you've heard of that right actually okay

so the serapium is this Subterranean area you can go there today as they do tours down there and you walk down in these all these steps to go down in there and you have these Chambers under the ground that were carved out and in those chambers are these giant Granite boxes okay built out of granite that came from Awan and the granite is so large that it's bigger than the entrances to even go down in these places which is completely mysterious on

how they carved them moved them because these Granite boxes weigh up to 100 tons one ton is 2,000 lb they're very very mysterious but anyway there's a whole multitude of these of these down there and they have no evidence of any Pharaoh or anyone being in them like like finding a mummy or anything right these Chambers are mysterious but what is interesting about them is that many of them were found blown up like exploded like a lot of energy had surged

through and blown them up and if that's the case then one of the things we're discussing is that maybe Egypt played a really pivotal role in trying to balance energy somehow now that's based on well that's based on what are called lay lines now geodesi is also based on that concept is that the the Earth is what's called a tural field of energy okay so the energy of the earth basic Bas on its magnetism properties the energy flows out from

Antarctica down and comes up and in from an uh the Arctic up in the north so it's like this right comes down like that and that if you were able to understand the properties of geodesi and properties of lay lines that you could somehow build in specific places and maybe even balance them harness them have a have a way to building coherence with the earth and the stars but if you have a massive coronal mass ejection heading towards

the Earth how much balancing can save you well I mean perhaps they tried and or they just were trying to survive understanding that there was a previous event that their ancestors had known about and that gets into the entire discussion of Darren kuyu and kley okay do you know where Darren cuyu and K Mockley are no who are they well their locations okay okay so this this again gives the evidence for that the ancient people knew about these events okay oh

Darren kuyu is the underground T turkey yeah yeah so yeah which and Hancock even talks about how you know possibly a civilization went underneath there to protect themselves a lot of people don't talk about K Mockley and I want to talk about both because they're very the the connection they have is absolutely fascinating in southern turkey there's an area of soft volcanic Stone now now Mo most of the time volcanic stone is hard but this area it was like a type of very soft kind of volcanic porous type of material that was actually really

easy to carve and it seems as though ancient civilizations if they were Global which I believe they were seemed to know that was the only place in the earth based on its elevation its location and the stone that they could easily well we say easily but relatively easy compar to other environments create massive Subterranean areas and I mean Mass massive and so in within the last 40 years there was a man in this the city that became the underground city of Darren cuyu because it's this modern

City built right on top of it that's what's Wild is that they're like living right above it and they didn't even know he's he's basically working on his apartment and he knocks a wall down accidentally and he opens up this doorway opening that he was like trying to figure out what happened because he had chickens that wandered in and disapp appeared it was really funny actually and he didn't understand where they were going or whatever and so he went down in and he ends up going and you know use calling and like I found something

archaeology you got to come see this so they come over and they and they were stunned to find the largest Subterranean underground city we call it a city but Subterranean area in the world it it had something like 30 levels of these interchanging uh tunnels but like r rooms that had air shafts had entire ways to block off and seal the outside with these multi-ton stones that were basically fitted so you could roll them in front of the door and they had areas

for animals and animals uh places for uh like education like schools and they had places for bedding and living and and food storage and they went to Such Great Lengths that they built these underground city so big that they could house over 20,000 people that's crazy at one time how big are they they're they're basically kilometers down wow they're enormous kilometers down how how far like wide wide kilometer wide like kilometer down I I don't have the exact

dimensions of it they're enormous though okay and you can still go there today and there's a tourist attraction where you can obviously go down into Daren cuu but they only let you see a couple levels uhhuh now here's the Wild Thing where where who who figured out that 20,000 number they went and archaeologists that have access to all the levels have basically determined how many people could live in all of them they ma them out you can actually find online diagrams where they show all of them interconnected but it gets even more wild than that yeah Daren KU is not the only one turns out there's a whole

bunch of underground cities in that region but there's two main ones the other the sister city to Daren cuu is called kimley okay now kimley was found just a few years later but here's the wild thing it's five and a half miles away okay why is that wild because underneath Darren kuyu is a main Corridor there's like a main Corridor like if you had a buildings attach each other right and there's a tunnel that goes from Darren kuyu all the way to kimley whoa 5 and a half miles

underground crazy which means that those people knew enough about how they couldn't go above ground hey I want to go see uh I want to go see your cousin John and K moley I'm and Darren kuu right I haven't visited him in a long time why would they just go up and go around instead they literally travel underground between them and the only reason you would do that is if it wasn't safe to be above ground and now why wouldn't it safe to be above ground I don't think it's based on flooding I think it's based on the concept of like a nuclear

winter right where you would basically be so volatile not only like potentially radioactivity but even things like a a catastrophic climate that was just dipping all over the place and like it was almost completely inhospital to live out there and the idea is that they built these to survive these events and that the only reason they did that is because a previous event their ancestors had survived through and then they told

them and like you know hey if we're going to survive the next one we need to build these underground cities which that area of turkey is literally in the center of the ancient world when do you think these underground cities were built that's the ultimate question nobody knows and here's the weird thing none of the material from these giant underground cities that they excavated has ever been found it's not like they went up to the front and they found like this huge pile of rock weird like hey look at that we can they why would why wouldn't some of you know their tools and stuff be preserved given that never nothing has ever been found why is that

well because things degrade we have to imagine geologic time Underground though you'd assume maybe you still have mice and rats and things and you have water dripping and you it's we're we need to try to imagine it's been 500 years right since you know we went through the Industrial Revolution and back to Medieval Times back to then and look at all we've achieved in then okay that 500-year period now imagine thousands and thousands and thousands of years yeah

you know potentially 10,000 years I believe that those were built well over 10,000 years ago over I mean they had to to me they had to have been built before the younger dras catastrophes because there'd be no other because we haven't had anything like that since well that would be my gu again I'm not I'm a total amateur when it comes to this stuff but I would guess that a greater percentage of things would be preserved if the thing it's an underground city and if it's above ground it's just less environmental kind of but the problem is they were

reused okay and this is where scientists are what I I believe have gotten the dating completely wrong how do you know know that they were reused because then when they went down when they first found them and they went down in they did find stuff they found uh evidence of Hittites and evidence of um ancient cultures that are not like Ancient Ancient they're like mid- ancient right so you know Hittites and different time period of that we're talking like you know maybe 2,500 3,000 years ago right they found evidence of uh residency from

them where they were maybe hiding from armies or going on there for for many reasons it was a very dangerous time uh many much of the world the Assyrian and urartian uh and uh medes culture and the uh Babylonians and all these cultures were battling fighting it was a very volatile time period in history and so yeah you could have cultures try to hide down there it wouldn't be the best idea but I'm sure some did um and so that may have actually been one of the reasons

why it was kind of covered up and and not found for a long time was because they were it was one of those places they were kind of like hiding out or something right but scientists archaeologists have determined based on finding that that that's who built it which is kind of silly right if Jesse goes over to an ancient monument and puts his name on it and then thousand years later we find that Jesse's name is still like carved into it did Jesse build it not necessarily no if like it doesn't it's kind of a silly

um it was built earlier also well but the the thing is why would they do that why build a giant underground city and go to that kind of length of work if you're just doing it to hide from an army somewhere which they could literally just starve you out and like block it doesn't make sense stry no you could literally they could they could like pour oil in then just like set the whole inner place on fire all these different things they could have done um all various different horrible things they could have done but the only thing that makes sense if you look at the concentration of these underground cities and how it was a center of the

ancient world is that they would have had pilgrimages knowing and reading the stars now that gets back to gockley Tepe because look at the pillars of quec Tepe have they're just basically star constellations isn't it like a sun calendar it's a calendar it's an astronomical calendar which I believe its purpose was my personal opinion is its purpose was to track the great year to track cycles and it was it was an astronomical spot that that was its purpose is to track Cycles what is the

great year just the concept of a year no no no no okay so the great year is based on What's called the procession of the Equinox it is because how the Earth wobbles because of the gravitational influences of this binary companion I told you the entire the entire solar system is influenced okay what's the this is fascinating so basically this 26,000 years cycle where True North involves a different Star right now it's Polaris other involves but what's the conventional astronomical you know

explanation for why you know all these planets uh you know have kind of wobbling gravitational uh orbits and how the entire axis of the solar system is actually on kind of a wobble it's tilted not a lot of people talk about it um is it literally just dismissed is there not some conven cuz like there's certain things like how the moon was formed which is really mysterious actually such BS when you hear like the conventional explanation it came together perfectly at a perfect ratio between the Sun and Moon and the Earth no it's like well it's like an asteroid like hit the earth

and then part of the earth came out of the into this perfect you know thing impossible makes no sense impossible into this thing that you know you never see the dark side of it it's say perfect you know and it's 1400th the size of the Earth and it's 400 times closer to the Earth than the Sun and it it just doesn't yeah ites the the conventional explanation you can kind of definitively say is wrong and then I think where you have to be emically humble to me at least I don't have a great Theory Maybe you do is like I don't know what formed that thing but what's the conventional

explanation for yeah the wobbling gravitational axis the the slanted gravitational axis of the entire solar system I think a um a the Milky some kind of a Milky Way interaction of outer things and inner things with the sun it's I never I've never heard of anything definitive that's come from to explain that if anything I told you that Miles SSH had said mathematically like they were like oh they miscalculated all these things and and then people are like oh never mind like it's been really weird can we track the emergence of the

conventional explanation cuz I often think that's like a really important again I'm not I'm not an astrophysicist so like that would be a good question for others to to bring up with that you you said there was somebody at Caltech who soal because I want to interview that person I don't I I actually emailed him and he never got back to me and if he's listening to this um I'm I'm still open to that man let's let's figure out how to get in touch with there's a there's a number of uh experts at Caltech that's that use mathematics and based on uh data from probes to study an

outer solar system okay and they determined that based on the movement of Kyper belt objects that there're they're being super skewed and uh perur perturbed by something okay and that the way that Caltech and again if anyone wants to look just look up Caltech in Planet 10 or Planet 9 it used to be called Planet 10 then they they demoted to Planet 9 look into that they have extremely compelling data that backs all this up that mathematically planet planet 10 I'm going to call it 10

because I think Pluto is we should just keep it whatever whatever it was but um we'll call it Planet 10 uh that it it absolutely exists and again why would you have a planet that's completely Rogue that's not part of another system well I'm just even thinking again my stupid math right like the sun only has so much gravitational pull Pluto is part of the sun's you know gravitational uh field of influence because it's so small well it looks like it was a moon of Jupiter that got thrown out beyond that area but things you know like my guess

would be that something four to five times the size of the Earth that's beyond the perimeter of Pluto even Oh Way Beyond might might have trouble being part of why would be part of exactly it makes no sense in fact I don't I don't know but I I need the sun plays math on exactly there's no influence that far out at that point we're talking about something that would be like doesn't make any sense that it would be having a consistent type of uh elliptical orbit what's the do we know the conventional explanation there like

well no they've tried to deny that it exists that's as I've said Caltech is the only modern in this this thing gets announced in the 90 I sorry to Har I think it's so important I know it's incredibly so he announced in the '90s NASA's like this is thing you know it's Planet 10 or whatever and then okay sish comes in and then he's like it's actually forget about it and so Planet 10 goes away Planet 10 like people forget about planet 10 yeah exactly because of I'm telling you it's because of mil stannish with this whole idea that mathematically they made a mistake

and that it never existed pioner Pioneer never shot Planet 10 it was just they never they never got footage of it it was just based on it was just based on these the wobbling you the gravitational influence and data is very easy to here wait take take a look at this I I think it's would probably be helpful for you to look at that that that's the page from it I think it' be cool for you to see it yeah yeah Pioneer 10 became the first craft to pass into Interstellar space in 1983 the diagram shows the path of the two Pioneer probes on the right

the P the pictorial plaque carried by Pioneer 10 contains information about Earth and Humanity but it says nothing about the diagram which is so wild you see that so I'm looking at the diagram if you read the article Planet 4.7 billion miles and then look at the dead star you see how it says equal gravitational pole equal pull yeah whoa right that's really trippy and this is an official NASA release or where is this from this is from again the science intervention

encyclopedia was it a very prominent encyclopedia series some some listening to this probably still have some of their basement they used to come out with volumes every year and it would they would update them and it was like a very very prestigious it's not like a obscure encyclopedia it was a very prestigious enyclopedia set and they're becoming very rare now um but some people still have them and if you do I would I would recommend holding on to that and if so in a binary star system these Stars often like move around each other like like they dance they they do

a dance now the great year again I highly recommend people watch that documentary called the great year it shows that dance beautifully now this dead star seemed to have a massive elliptical orbit I mean we're talking an elliptical orbit so big that we never can observe it ever we can never see it are there any big proponents of this Theory now that like have tons of data behind it very strange that all I've seen is Caltech investigating this planet but there's been from what I

gather very little on anything else um and I uh that's why I wanted to preserve that image on my website yeah so that something like that couldn't die because it looked like it was being like completely scrubbed and telling you the weirdest thing about it is you saw that diagram right showed the weird the weird thing is that di that that article even in the encyclopedia says nothing why would you include a diagram that has information that would completely blow up all of science itself and not say

anything to me the only thing that makes sense the only one thing is that somebody wanted to keep that in there but they weren't allowed to say anything well how else does that make any sense I mean that would be an entire article astronomers again Thomas van flandern and Robert Harrington yeah they were the ones who spearheaded looking into this planet and I believe even the binary star they both die of throat cancer and they both died of throat cancer what years did they die of throat cancer um I don't remember off my head they died in the 90s though okay right after this

discovery pretty much right basically and then mil St is like hey by the way everything's mathematical and miscalculations and it's all wrong and everyone's like okay never mind oh man that's so crazy isn't that wild yeah and so it's I when I in my last book the stage of time I end up I I mentioned in there that they're sort of like unsung heroes that are forgotten and that I I I think deserve to be remembered were they trying to get this out as they're being kind of marginalized Standish I believe they were writing a whole series of scientific papers in collaboration with

each other anybody in touch with their families or something you know I'm not sure if anyone's listening to this that knows um I know that they had stumbled onto something very very major and it's just I'm not saying that necessarily I I don't want to come across as like they were murdered necessarily but it was very mysterious how they both died fascina and then and then after miles stsh just proves the whole thing mathematically nobody ever investigates it it just dies out what's his background stish he became a prominent Aston astronomical figure within uh the

NASA Community before we go on I should say that personally I haven't seen an abundance of evidence for this binary star system theory that Matt's proposing but there are ancient civilizations that Echo this belief and even some pretty credible modern astronomers who believe it's possible roughly half of the Stars you find in the universe are alone and the other half are in groups and often the groups consist of two one of the Stars might have evolved enough so that it has died and has become a white dwarf

and then lost a lot of its heat and became F faint as well but if it's sufficiently far away and sufficiently faint then it would just sit there and maybe orbit the sun within a few thousand years who knows I cannot have any positive opinion about this but I would not rule it out perhaps we've already seen our son's binary companion but clinging to Old theories kept us from realizing it if theer a perfect sphere there would be no procession because there would be no way to apply

that torque on the Earth but since the Earth spins it makes itself a blade by that spinning so it has bulges on the Equator so uh this leads to a net force which would want to put the Earth upright that's what the Earth doesn't allow it to do but the Earth cannot completely Escape uh that pull from the Moon and instead of being positioned upright it will uh shift the orientation of the axis in other Ro it will cause this procession all of that's to say I would maybe hold this Theory as somewhat

low probability but incredibly impactful if true and I would urge every audience member to please research this the possible scrub of the pioneer Mission from NASA and the important stories of Thomas van flandern and Robert Harrington okay I want to get into some of the we got off on like a crazy tangent and I I know that's not what you spend all your time on so you've uncovered some amazing ancient architecture in Eastern Turkey and this architecture seems to comport with all sorts of sites all over the world so it

is kind of proving out this Graham Hancock hypothesis around this Proto civilization that may have existed because you say that a lot of the techniques in terms of how they build the structures the motifs and symbols the motifs and symbols themselves line up perfectly so yeah exactly what evidence do we have of this so you have that in front of you you want to pull that up and you can look at it while I'm talking to you yeah um so I I to start with my expertise uh primarily had been focused a lot of my life over the last 20 years with um really becoming an uh

try to be as much of an expert as I can on ancient copor languages now Kor is not a language it's a writing style it's a type of wedged writing style that was adopted or emerged out of the Mesopotamian region so if we think of languages like Samaran is the first language that we know ever existed on earth right it's a type of CA form language and that survived because they etched in these symbols into clay and stone which can last enormous amounts of time uh thousands of years in uh in

comparison to paper which only lasts 500 to 500 to a, years it's a it's a much more efficient way to record information now when I was studying um the ancient Sumerian civilization who by the way invented nearly everything they invented astronomy um animal husbandry agriculture uh mathematics they were the ones who first came up with like trigonometry and understanding the solar system oh yeah well it came out of Babylon but but Babylon got it from Summer that's where if you saw that re

and what's your line between because I know people talk about just the fertile crest being the cradle of civilization but what's your line between Su and Babylon Babylon had what was called an Old Kingdom and a new kingdom so it looks like there was an older even an older part of Babylon as well um I want to point out that most ancient places in the world if they weren't buried under some pile of debris or something like that they were rebuilt upon because it seems like uh the predecessors that came always knew there was something sacred

and special about them and that was something we see all over the world which is why so much confusion exists in the archaeological world for who originally built them and that's that came out of that region now I was particularly interested in the Sumerians because the Sumerians had all these mysterious designs which by the way their ziggurats look exactly like that step pyramid design M okay it's exact it's basically the same design I thought ziggurats had seven levels well they're not this they're not the this the step

pyramids can have more than three levels some of can have seven it's based on that step step design though okay now we see those seven levels in things like um Medan s in Saudi Arabia which I showed you images from that as well but the original teaching seems to have come out of this concept of these three levels and I can talk about that concept of three as we go forward however so when I was studying uh the ancient stories one of the things I focused on

is what was our ancient history like these are the oldest writings ever written they have these incredible stories in these copor tablets okay things like the aesus the enum Alish I'm sure you've heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh and and all these stories U many many more right eridu Genesis myth of adapa um Legend of atana but they all have these like nuggets of Truth within them now a lot of archaeologists would tell you that those were just based on myths and you even find out that a lot

of the Christian stories like the Deluge and the Noah story where is nothing to do with original Christianity it was adopted from these ancient Sumerian stories and you can see the comparisons right if you read the Epic of Gilgamesh the atrasis and then you compare the flood story it's like literally almost identical to Genesis it's clearly it came from that okay now if you want to get to the core of something you need to go back to the earliest form of it if you want to understand that story now I became pretty obsessed with

understanding who the best translators in the world what the forgeries were the false stuff right which exists too real quick what gives you confidence that the epic epic of gilgames was actually the inspiration for the story of Noah and the Ark and the well because the Epic of Gilgamesh contains the original flood story but it's from Gilgamesh who is from a later time period he's from this second iteration that emerged out of that region not the original Sumerians but he's from a civilization that emerged out of the or they they called

them like the or civilization or or II it's a it's an area that he was basically a king or a tyrant the king of the city of UR okay or an urak in that area now he writes from an earlier time period because in the Epic of Gilgamesh he's trying to seek the he's trying to find the secrets of immortality by going to find a very specific character and this is what I traced and tracked across all these texts but not coming from the lens of like hear say

I found the best translators in the world who had translated them such as George Smith in 1875 and then Stephanie do and others who have come along like Samuel Kramer who are the best ass serologists in the world a serologist is a term that is a blanket term that includes surian though they just call themselves a serologist George Smith was like the first person to transl first he was the one who cracked the Sumerian code now to give people some uh understanding we had this period of um

of not knowing at all what these these texts said okay so Samaran is what's called it's called a land language isolate it doesn't share an alphabet or similarities Mo many similarities same very very small similarities with any language on the earth it's basically like an alien language um and a man named Austin Henry lard came along in 19 um in 1848 and he stumbled across um this ancient Library called the a um the Royal Asher bopaul Library

okay the Royal Asher bopal library is very unusual in the case that it doesn't get a lot of uh interest you know a lot of people talk about the Library of Alexandria but the really I feel like the library of as bana Paul should get a lot more interest along with even the great libraries of ebla which is another ancient city in Syria but these were these were libraries that had massive amount of Kor tablets that weren't just from that Civilization but they were

from many many civilizations Asher bonap Paul was a very very powerful King but he was also a priest and he he was he existed during what we think of as the Assyrian time period okay so he was an Assyrian King but they were there were earlier time periods before him there was an Acadian time period Then There was a Sumerian time period so if we were going to look at it in like a timeline there was the emergence of a Sumerian civilization then an Acadian then an

Assyrian and a Babylonian right so we have this time period that is around 4 to 6,000 years old and in that time period Asher bonap Paul comes into power and he's like these stories are incredible they're connected to my ancestors sonakar and my father Tigris and all these other guys and I want to understand like the most important stories of mankind right he recognizes that they are Barone the most important

stories and I agree with them and so what he did is he amassed these armies thousands of people and he goes out to every part of Mesopotamia to every ancient city gathers all the tablets all together he brings them back creates the greatest library ever known to man called The Royal Asher bopal Library so in 1848 18 49 Austin Henry lard is Excavating the ancient city of Nineveh and what today is mosul Iraq and they're digging down digging down and they find

like those huge Lam masu statues and everything and they find which by the way are 40 tons each they find this Royal Library with thousands and thousands of K form tablets specifically 40,000 to be exact okay now they're not all like uh the same level of importance some like talking about laws and governing and you know like shekels and Bush how much a we a bushel of wheat would cost and cuz they agriculture was their basis of currency by the way

that's where currency came from the first currency on Earth came from the Sumerians and it was called the shekele it was based on a Bushell of wheat because they were an agricultural C civilization who had actually were the founders who created civilization itself so Austin Henry lard finds this Library okay finds thousands of tablets including the Epic of gilgames and he finds like Sumerian king list and he finds um atra hesus all these things but they had no idea how to read it because

the Sumerian language had died out over a thousand years before imagine a thousand years going by where nobody remembers how to how to read something okay and so they have no idea what it says here comes George Smith George Smith gets a hold of these he brings it back to the British museum he spends the next 10 years 10 years studying them trying to understand what how how to read this language George Smith is a

hero he's one of the greatest unsung heroes of of history that the world does not know George Smith ends up doing something brilliant he realizes that he's never going to crack the Samaran cone on its own so what he does is he backtracks he goes to the only known language that has even somewhat similarities in in its way and that's ayrian in a Cadian C form so he goes back to those stories and he basically takes and understands some of the similarities with things like the occur which means mountainous and other things

and he backtracks and he figures out how to he cracks the Sumerian code essentially he and it's described that when he CRA the first tablet he ever the first set of tablets he ever cracked was actually the Epic of gilgames which is brings this full circle back to where we started anyway he figures that out and he starts reading and you get these fantastic stories right of massive floods and ancient Kings who ruled for enormous amounts of time and um disasters that wiped out a previous age

and then there's another emergence of civilization that comes after all these stories now when archaeologist and that by the way was like 1875 when archaeologist get a hold of this they are like there's no way that these things were real not only did they believe that the stories were just allegories CU there's allegorical nature of them right Gilgamesh is talking about fighting the bull of right the Bull of the of of Taurus and everything those are metaphysical Journeys that have

astrological connections okay agreed of course but then it mentions that Gilgamesh is a king of the city of iro you're like wait a minute irck was found it's a real City and other things and you the the the part that I come in is in studying these and finding the best versions possible and then saying well what aspects of Truth and and uh aspects of literalism are in here and can they help us piece together our ancient past and that's where this whole story of

connecting to Eastern Turkey came from because as I'm studying all the tablets and then cross referencing saying like look atana the legend of atana he's it describes that he emerges after the great deluge and and builds the first city called Kish that's after this great time period of when the original five cities were built when's the legend of atana the legend of atana is like say 4,000 years ago 3500 years ago right and then what what specifically but why are you high conviction that the Noah thing

is connected okay so let me get to that yeah so in that there's these moments where they have distinctions of events occurring and things happening okay Gilgamesh was not part of the Samaran time per perod again he's from this the uro Ura time period but he knew about his ancestors and he knew about that to such a degree that the entire premise of the Epic of Gilgamesh is him going to seek immortality because his friend enkidu dies and he ends up being worried

about his own mortality okay so what he does is he specifically goes to find a man a man named utanapishtim okay now that that character it was also called Zas sudra an ancient Sumer you find out that he's the original hero what called the atesus he's where the whole Noah story came from you can Lacross reference those stories they're nearly identical and it's not just one it's you have the legend of ubar you

have uh the the um the myth of adapa you have eridu Genesis you have Sumerian king list you have atrasis in Epic of Gil mesh that all mention the same flood the same characters in the same cities okay now that's amazing oh and that's where that's where I funneled into this and I became the Epic of Gilgamesh is the first that the first one was translated not the oldest TBL not the oldest T yeah it was the first translated but the reason why it's so important is that for a great deal of

time for the last 120 130 years archaeologists have been under this impression that the cities mentioned in the very early cities mentioned were a myth okay weren't real some something like Troy right Troy was considered a myth that the Greeks never fought Troy and that it was just an allegorical story kind of like the whole ploh thing and and yet in the because it's like yeah it's we just we

take everything as allegory and myth and you know whatever but it's just painting over our modern kind of ideas with you know the past with that sort of you know myopic brush exactly and you don't need to be an expert sort of defends that and then like the kind of amateur can stumble into the actual truth actually which is a beautiful thing and that's I became a obsessed with these tablets every single one I could read every version because it was different versions of them for instance the Babylonians wrote a version of the Anum Alish that the original Sumerians and

acadians had written and there was slight deviations in the story based on the greatness of Marduk who's the patron God of Babylon versus eni who's the patron God of eridu it's but you you can weave those out by saying oh I know this is the earlier version so I can understand how this got a little bit altered right so that's what I do I've been doing that for 20 years so in my investigations I found that that the original city of eridu subscribed as the first city ever created on Earth literally the first city created well

late 1800s they find arido okay very mysteriously there's a zigurat that's an entire mountain of arido that has this city below it right they usually had a temple with a city below it what modern day country is a do in it's in Iraq okay so it's it's in the whole War torn region that I can't get to and I have a whole campaign on my website part Iraq it's it's near um the the Confluence of the Euphrates and tigis rivers in southern Iraq um West of you know west of Baghdad so in the 1800s they find

aido and they only excavate the main part of the city they find tablets and everything they bring them to the British museum they never excavate the arido zigon and then and I ended up just to give a little sidebar I ended up going on this campaign that's on my website called The Campaign to say it aido because I end up finding all these photographs over the last 10 years of locals going in and just pillaging pillaging the site and literally there's tablets sticking out of the ground and they're just like selling on the

black market the whole site has no fences nothing protecting it and it's like it was abandoned um is that still the case now yeah it is just completely oh God it's very very sad and they end up going in during World War II um in 19 your belie the first city on recorded history ever which was considered a myth well not ever cuz you think there was maybe a civilization prior well no this is the thing is that I'm believing that Sumer was not when we were told okay is that what we think of as the time period of Sumer is actually a far later time

period of the Assyrians and acadians okay not the same time period at all so how old do you think Sumerian I I think the ancient Sumerians are well over 12,000 years ago which is why they essentially invented everything so when when do you think or or is it just impossible to say b i based on geodesy and aligning temples of in ancient Sumer like uh in Iraq and different and erid doing different things I've had people email me and there's been studies done online during with using geodesi alignments with cardal points and

different things where it no longer has any connection to like the the like True North at all and that where it's aligned True North was like I said in Greenland which was you know well over 12,000 years ago which then gives its potential age as being you know maybe 20,000 years old or more whoa yes that and that's why I do we have anything beyond because I know the the critics are going to say you need more than astronomical alignment oh of course and have Bey

beyond that yeah well we have these sets of teachings and motifs that seem to emerge and then spread around the world like core knowledge it's very important about us and our the solar system and different things and that's one of the things we can use but again there's more evidence we we'll get into in in a minute let's just we'll put a pause on that for a second okay now they find arido and it's like all of a sudden it's not a myth anymore and that's pretty mysterious and not t super cool in the whole uh understanding of

ancient history and it was a very very sad story with arido and it's how it was abandoned and the ziggurat was like very like literally never excavated now um and I got a chance to go to The Pen Museum this past year and see a lot of those artifacts from eridu uh in their original form and I'm writing a book right now on this whole whole turkey connection with Sumer and in the middle of it called the missing key of History the Lost era at civilization I have the whole connection back between that so they ended up not Excavating the

zigurat at all and it's it was a very sad story as I had mentioned um where they sort of move forward and they they come back previously um during World War II and they're shown like walking around arido and we have if you just go on uh Wikipedia and you look up aido you can see excuse me hold on a second yeah no worries if if you go on Wikipedia and you just look up aido you can see basically um the photographs of it and

how they're walking around there's bricks sticking up out of the ground and everything um but the reason I mentioned that is that previously that City had been considered a myth okay it was like oh that that's not real and then they find it well how do we know that that's air do oh they established they found tablets that actually said the name arido on it in many many places so that's not disputed they that's they know they found arido now now this is where the new the next part of this comes from I had been studying this particular aspect of the tablets that is

one of the core values of all of them which is this original Noah flood story right Gilgamesh going to seek the flood hero as he calls it in there okay and his name in epical Gilgamesh is UN pisham but his original Sumerian name is Zas sudra now they had different names and different erors but it's the same person now you you learn that Zas sudra was and there's surian King list that has the whole breakdown and you can go through all this like it's it's that's established if if you want to look you

can find it is that turns out he was a son of the last king that ruled these these first five cities existed IDU is the first shupac was the last City okay okay and you find out in the Sumerian king list that it was ruled by a man named ubara Tutu now ubara tutu's son was the Noah figure it was his name was Zas sudra orup pisham now for ease of all this let's just call him Noah okay because that way people can understand

what I'm saying easier from from now on those are his original names now you learn that in those stories that ubar tutu had stepped down at the end of his Reign and this figure had come in and ruled over shupac very briefly uh he was both a king and a priest okay not like the the Russell Crow version where they show where he's like some primitive Stone Age man or something he was actually a very high priest uh in a in a

sage and very very wise and knowledgeable which which is why the actual tablet that he supposively wrote called the atrasis literally means very wise okay he was a great Sage very very knowledgeable now it's described in this that in the stories again like the allegorical Stories the myths that they that they say that number one shupac wasn't real and number two that this figure was never real both were not supposed to be real at all okay except

that in 1931 shupac was found now before I go into that story I will start by saying that this figure this in in the stories in all the tablets it discusses how this Noah figure this Sage Zas sudra he ends up learning that there's this great Deluge coming that's going to wipe everything out he was warned hit through this various means that uh and you can get into the tablets how they were supposedly there was a packed where

they weren't they weren't they weren't supposed to warn Humanity they um where Z was warned and in the story he is told to build this massive Cedar Craft boat it's very very explicit details on how long the plank should be and how it should be sealed what's called bitumin now bitumin is something we use in construction even today it's a type of epoxy like type of adhesive that's very very very um strong and they he was told

to build something and seal it off they say like the abzu the abzu is like the underworld so completely seal it off bring just your animals and your family okay so and then the course Christianity turns it into like two animals of every kind and all this stuff and it completely derails from what the original story that's echoed throughout Mesopotamia is the core of this is that he was told to basically your family and you are going to help be part of the seeds of humanity in the future because

there's going to be an event that comes through that's going to basically wipe everybody out okay so that story story is that he builds it he doesn't tell anybody everybody knows dies his family gets on they just have like their goats and their whatever and they survive a certain amount of time and they end up Landing in the Mount Ararat region okay of uh Armenia turkey area that is where the tablets sort of end because a lot of

them were broken and damaged and when George Smith translated the Epic of Gil others there was areas where they have like Lion is missing Lon is missing Lon is missing that's what it literally says where they had no idea what it says the only thing we know is that there were these they describe them as an Nuna Gods the ancient gods of that time that descended down to the Mount Arad or wherever he is and basically get into this argument over how Humanity was supposed to be destroyed and how enky

had warned the Noah figure and that um eventually they come to an agreement that be this is what it says is that because this figure had survived and his sons had survived and that they would repopulate a lot of the world that that he would be given immortality that's essentially what the story is end with is that the Noah figure gets immortality now let's go forward thousands of years now you have the eoba Gilgamesh which has the flood story Rewritten in it but

in that you learn that Gilgamesh is very interested in understanding how to obtain immortality the reason is is that there's an obscure tablet called the death of billig games and it is a tablet and bames is another name for Gilgamesh and you find out in that that these anuna Gods had given the Noah figure Zas sudra the he was the last man ever to get immortality they said that no no human will ever get immortality again and we essentially will have to die like

mortal beings okay that's how you know that that's how you know that that's the last figure in history that gets okay so again going forward there are these elements of Truth in there it's like it's like wild to try to be like wait a minute so did these things actually happen is that an allegory allegory well there's a clue that's in the epical gilgames that's on like tablet 10 that almost nobody gets to because they have to Wade through all the astronomical things and him fighting the the monster and like his journey

with enidu and they're like oh that's none of that makes sense of her is real and you're like well no it's it's probably not it's an allegory except until you get to a certain part in that buried in that tablet is a moment where you get to uh Gilgamesh going to he says he wants to seek out the flood hero unap pisham to learn the secrets of immortality then you start being like wait a minute so there's some real aspects to to this right and so what

happens is do you you know the Greek uh fairy fairy Boatman fairy man of the underworld right Sharon have you seen that where he's got the staff and he's got the hood and he's like you got to put two gold coins on to FY in the Underworld the river sticks that came from the Epic of gilgames that was the oldest recorded record of that I think the Greeks came later this was that this was an earlier time period where that first iteration of that that concept came from and in that Gilgamesh seeks out and

finds the fairy man again again this is a weird concept to think like is this a metaphysical Journey how is this even possible like to be in the Underworld and do this that part is mysterious of course and I think we still don't understand certain aspects of reality well yeah I mean that would be like the pran's quest you know kind of proverbial mystery ritual or something well and and then there there's this part though that comes up that's key to this whole thing it's key and in that Gilgamesh gets goes

to Sharon and gets on the boat and he pays him and he fies him into the underworld because it turns out no being can be immortal and live in a Mater in a in a mortal world in material world all organic matter breaks down and so the only way that unap pisham the the Noah figure the only way he could ever be immortal is to live in the Underworld okay so that's essentially where that comes from and the idea of ishar to send the underworld and all those ancient Sumerian stories now so gilgames travels

in the Underworld to go and find um Zas sudra he finds him on this like Island it describes okay he goes there and he seeks him out and there he is and he has anybody can go and read this U especially in the latest book I just published called The Epic of humanity I have the whole translation of this in there want to because sometimes these tablets can be F hard to find the right versions so one of the things we did with the ethic of humanity is we included all the most important passages

from the best translators in there you can read um and you can find that on Amazon on the stage of time.com anyway he finds the Noah figure and he asks him how did you obtain immortality I I wish to know and then I'm paraphrasing here and the Noah figure says oh Gilgamesh uh I will tell you an ancient story he says there was once a city called shupac far older than your time so old

that when Gilgamesh is alive which I do believe is the time period that we're told he's alive right 3,500 years ago whatever it is 4,000 years ago somewhere in that region that he he knew about something extremely ancient and that that's what he was going there for so he says oh Gilgamesh let me tell you about a city an ancient city of shupac that remember that's supposed to be the last City created when with the first five that was destroyed where the Noah figure

came from so it makes complete sense that he would have all the knowledge of shupac because he was the last king and Sage of that City before it was all destroyed make sense mhm so he says let me tell you a story of this ancient city of shupac long before you uh it's so old that the gods were once in it that's those are quotes that he says were once in it you're like that's weird right so go forward he by the way he doesn't immortality unap pisham tells him if you

can dive down and get this rare plant um or if you can try to stay awake for seven days he gives them these tasks to try to do and Gilgamesh fails all of them and then ends up going back empty-handed to a rock so it ends up kind of sad right um but that doesn't really matter because you find out something really strange like so shupac was a real place and uh this figure was a real person that was there and these events some of them were real that's where I started getting more interested and I started studying it it turns out

they found the city of shupac in 1931 in that area of Iraq just they they they had this hunch they believe Based on data and information where they thought it was it was below this this modern well modern day uh Village called Tel far okay Tel far and so they dig down below telara and they end up hitting these different layers of civilization not just one but three and

they called them strata 1 2 and three now strata one was the deepest two being the middle and then three being the more recent okay so they start down they first hit strata 3 they call it strata because it's different layers strata 3 was the the much more recent time period of that region where they had Tablets still but the pottery was actually kind of primitive it was an interesting culture that had come after Gilgamesh right so there's like another culture

after Gilgamesh that ends up living in that region as they get down further and they dig down to like 6 to 8 feet right they hit with they call the uro or Ur civilization and they find tablets related to Gilgamesh and they find well this is when Gilgamesh lived and they and they acknowledge that they call it strata 2 so here's gilgamesh's time right they're writing all the tablets they're writing about the floods and all these different events so that's 3,500 to 4,000 exactly now if you were a

civilization writing about a previous event it would make sense that the people that had the event occur to them would not be the ones writing about it right because they'd be gone yeah of course so it would be like stories and things that would be woven down and then you would write their stories right how old is tier three well so they this is what's Wild after they hit Strat of three because archaeology isn't supposed to exist before that uhhuh 80% of the entire team left they all left they're like you guys

are wasting your time basically I'm paraphrasing and you can go on uh and this is a big part of the new book I'm writing uh the new book is going to be called The Missing key of History it's it details all this but this and so if you go on Pen Museum archive you just look up the city of shupac you can read this whole thing I'm telling you right now okay it's very beautiful beautifully laid out very great a great document that has all the information and diagrams of stuff okay so in that um they hit this strata 2 civilization which is when the known acadians and

Assyrians and all these guys are supposed to live um and they start digging down further and they find no more human remains no human activity at all for 3 feet 4 feet which is a long way to go and everyone's like you know what this is a waste of time and like 70% of them or so something like all leave except some of the archaeologists in some of the better workmen stayed they're like why do you think they stayed they're like we haven't found shupac yet okay we haven't found shup

pek yet so they continue digging and they find this layer underneath strata 2 as I said that is 3 to 4 feet thick okay like pretty sizable layer no signs of human activity no fragments of any kind other than just aluvial material uial means River like or flood flood deposited right just like the stories of the great flood okay like atrasis and

the stories of shrew pack being wiped out by a great flood and being buried and sealed okay well they stick around it's the British and the Germans digging okay and they they dig further and further because they just had a hunch and at 16 feet down 16 feet from the top now two civilizations above them they all of a sudden hit something they hit areas of scattered tablets and Scattered fragments of stuff and they find they

find tablets right above it and below that show because they actually found a tablet above in strata 2 that said shupac was here but they didn't find shupac so they're like it's got to be down there somewhere so they end up finding this base layer and it's total Anarchy from what they can see most of the belongings have been removed have been like taken something it looked like they had the people had like left is what they came to the conclusion of and they find some beautiful beautiful Pottery they actually found this really

weird diorite hand diorite is one of the hardest stones on Earth that has six fingers and as there's an image of that I'm including the book and it's in on the pen excavation report so weird it's a hand but with six fingers very bizarre whatever that means but anyway diorite is an extremely hard Stone so no primitive civilization can carve things like that very well carv di right hand and they find all this beautiful beautiful potery and they find these tablets and different things and they're like oh my God we found shupac okay 16

feet to 22 feet down massive amount of area and they have of course right on top of it is this 4 foot aluvial flood layer sitting on top of it now in that article I highly recommend people read it there's this whole conclusions part at the bottom where they end up discussing how there are very very interesting similarities from the ancient unap pisham Zas sudra story that match what they found wow however at the very end they say this is simp I'm

paraphrasing this is simply a playoff of thoughts and off of words we don't really think that this could actually have existed like they said but it is interesting nonetheless they do any sort of dating well you the dating is very yeah it's very difficult to date things like that okay but you have this flood layer above right so they see the similarities and this is where I get on board uh I find that article study the hell out of it realized okay this might be like real evidence to prove that

these things really happened and that this is actual archaeologists saying and and pointing towards something mysterious and that's where it led to all of this okay because now I'm like okay so shupac was real arida was real Zer was real oh my god did they really land in the a at mountains okay right right so it all starts unfold so I start studying that region it's Eastern Turkey today it's Eastern Turkey it used to be

Armenia so I'm looking around looking around and I stumble across why why do those civilizations so cherup pac's real a Israel all that stuff's in Iraq in the fer Crescent what what does that have to do with you know anything because the stories state that they landed in the aat mountains so you're saying let's try to figure out whether that's true too exactly yeah now I initially wasn't necessarily being like okay I'm going to find evidence of that in fact it sort of fell in my lap I was just looking around

that area and I stumbled ac across these very mysterious sites that were brand new the world has like very really never even heard of some of these sites are found in 2001 we're talking about you think we think go Beckley Tey knew that was found in the 1800s and then fully excavated 1940s we're talking about something way newer than that stuff and when we're saying so Gilgamesh is the king of eru when we say OK in aa oh there so IDU is

related to a previous King not related to to to gilgames she was a totally different time yeah yeah okay so G Gilgamesh is the king of iro and the Epic of Gilgamesh says that he is landing in modern day turkey or who he seeks out the flood hero to learn about the secrets of immortality from that figure yes from the ancient Sumerian figure of Zas sudra unap pisham who became the Noah figure in Christianity but then what is that what's the connection then between that and turkey in modern day because in the stories

that um Zas sudra and his family they land in the aat mountains after the flood After the flood they land there yes got it and I believe that flood was not younger dasas but actually a completely different event way before it because we had this whole time period of an emergence of something that happened now Christianity early Christianity and Hebrew Traditions already State this it already state that the sons of Noah repopulated and traveled around the world there that's japeth Shem and ham

they already state that there's like biblical all kinds of ancient knowledge around this except they don't believe that it was before 6,000 years ago what's your best guess as to the date could be up to 40,000 years ago based on looking at ice course sampling and previous climatic events of when floods could have occurred in these these things on the Earth again studying Greenland and Antarctic Ice cores and then studying alignments with Greenland when North was in that position and different things like that wow so would the implication then be that chup Pac is

yes the old like the oldest cities on Earth wow and it was sealed and buried and concealed by the flood and then other civilizations ended up building right on top of it but there was so much flood debris and material that they never even reached it it was like sealed off we've got to get these dating techniques better it's so frustrating when you find all this stuff and then it is above a flood it's below a flood layer so like that should be you know some decent evidence that you know this stuff is older than well archeologists say that it was a local

River Event of flooding because the Euphrates is prone to some flooding events however in in pictures of sh eridu I was able to identify uh ocean shells that are still on the zigurat summit that would have been more inclined to have like a Persian Gulf flood from the ocean and maybe even the Black Sea that engulf that entire region that's wild well yeah I mean they're not river shells they're ocean shells uhhuh and what's the I mean that's that's well

there's freshwater snails there there's freshwater things like that but these are ocean shells that are sticking out of the ground that that would be some evidence to potentially prove that or at least suggest or Point towards that that this was a flood that it was that was related to the Persian Gulf and not just like the Euphrates River flooding during seasonal uh Rises but do you really believe that at that time technology could have even possibly existed to get into a boat and then land you know pretty far away well it's

described that very very extensively that the details of how to build it and how to survive were were were told uhhuh like so that Humanity could survive it's it's again if you want to read the tablets uh you read the ethic of humanity they're all in there and it's very detailed with like the amount of bitchin and the type of wood because Cedar is the toughest wood on earth it's a very specific type of wood um and how to build it and how to seal it off and that they they did survive this event and that they landed up there and that's

why there's so many ancient Traditions that say that that happened now this leads to everything else that is right at the core of all this that you have in front of you and that we were talking about before when I was studying these brand new sites around Lake vaugh now lake vaugh is is not that far from the arat mountains It's relatively in the same area except that I the reason I think they picked lake vaugh is that it is um for instance by the way it's the fourth deepest lake

on Earth it's 1500 ft deep and it has volcanoes all around it when you have that you create a very very fertile soil for growing and creating agriculture the perfect place to create a new civilization new civilization and that is what I believe potentially happened in that region was that those that group who were very very wise sages who were literally being helped by the gods as they describe it created something there

that potentially has traveled and became Maritime and maybe answer to Peru and Bolivia and even like Egypt and basically this lost key to the Lost civilizations of Earth and I can go all into the details of why I would make that very very bold statement okay go for it so when I was studying these sites again very new uh like ianis um and KF kesi and shavu Tepe and coru and

asver ate all these different sites you find all these similarities between them the first thing that's very strange is they have extremely Sophisticated Stone work like I mean megaliths multi-ton blocks that are carved out of very very hard Stone and they only used three types of stone they never used anything even local for instance a lot of that region is actually Limestone that has volcanics around it but the areas they built these temples on was usually Limestone but they didn't use the

limeston block at all in fact some of the balt that they used in this this construction is considered to possibly come from 350 miles away because of the the quality of it there's nothing in the region that has quaries that supports that and some of it even came from volcanoes like Mount sufan like at K but again we're talking about a civilization that mimics like what we're seeing in Egypt with this idea of A Lost Civilization before the dynastic Egyptians that had gone to Great Lengths

to create massive things with stones that they didn't care where they came from but there was energetic reasons that they were very important to them where they would go and obtain them to build these things and then they seemingly were wiped out and then another culture came later now that dynastic equivalent of Egyptians would be what I believe are called the urans the urans in this region 2000 BC right about 3,000 years ago they share a lot of similarities with the Assyrian civilization of the north remember I

said there was a reemergence of civilization in Mesopotamia during the time of Gilgamesh right you had the acadians and Assyrians that reemerged out of the ashes of the Sumerians they then know about the stories and things but they're like a kind of a warlike culture a bit ashron Paul is collecting all these tablets and creating these libraries but what you have is I believe a branch of the Assyrians that moved into what I'm calling this old Holy Land right that went up in that region and

created a completely separate civilization right hundreds of years go by they build this civilization and then the Assyrians and the Babylonians invade and Destroy them and wipe them out right poof they disappear from history but they leave behind all of these mud brick castles and all of these crude stones and all of the stuff that's built almost entirely on or in many cases on these older foundations just like in Egypt make sense mhm so when I stumble across

this and I see sites like aanas and K kesi with these machine likee cut stones but not just the Precision of their work the fact that they were Sun temples aligning to the the either the rising of the Setting Sun but also having motifs and specific symbols that then we find all around the world and what those motifs represent and those symbols I believe became the core of ancient secret societies and things like the Knights Templar and things like uh the

tryptic doorway knowledge we see all around the world this idea that they're like the Trinity right the Holy Trinity in Christianity this the father son the Holy Ghost but what does it really mean I think it represents the three sides of us right we have the mind the body and then the spirit and if those three things are balanced we essentially Ascend into this high form right I Think Jesus and Buddha and all these individuals in history have just basically been sages trying to teach us

that very same thing and where did that knowledge come from I believe it was lowered at these sites because all the symbols all come back to here all the building styles seem to be traced back to here all the ancient Traditions say that these three sons tra traveled around the world and then provided the knowledge it all seems to come back to one place and what you have in front of you is a giant Basalt what's called a b relief and it is this massive 3ot by 3ot

by 4ot stone column uh block that has all these sacred teachings that literally became what I think is the basis of hermeticism itself you have the concepts of the law of Correspondence you have uh the concepts of of feminine feminine and masculine you have the tree of life that we find throughout Assyrian civilizations and others you have even the passing of the pine cone which we see all around the world in civilizations and remember the with the handbag and the pine cone you see the

the first what I believe is the first iteration on that anywhere in the world wow and not only that but the original Sun Cross that became the Knights Templar cross all from the same locations in this part of turkey that just happened to co correspond to where these Divine sages were supposed to have landed so you think they had sort of ancient hermetic wisdom that then has only been conserved via secret societies

since yeah and so what do you think these symbols mean so like uh you know we talked about the the the you know Trinity what about the cross well the Sun Cross represents what I believe is this balance of all harmonic things everything and I think it goes back to this IDE of source or God the balance of all things right and that's why the cross became such an integral part of Christianity but not that cross what's interesting is that Christianity's cross is not shared by that cross except for

the Vatican um and uh like the pope and the Vatican have that very same cross not only that the pope has it on its his um on its cloak and in front of the Vatican is a giant pine cone yeah I've seen it very same symbols that come from this region Y and that's why I believe for instance these sites were visited by Xerxes Alexander the Great and many many

other great people throughout history Xerxes is Persian Alexander the Great's Roman it's like they're all going back to somewhere you think they're trying to find something special at the site exactly what do you think they're looking for I think they're looking for the holy knowledge of you want you ready for this take that other one out the big one underneath there yeah look at what he's holding in his hand looks like a maybe an AAA leaf or no not not that the other thing oh uh like a little a cup or CH yeah

like maybe a Holy Grail or something exactly really exactly interesting and if you look up what that means it means we know what some of these things mean right if you look up what a cup means in religion it means the passing of a spiritual or religious Doctrine okay he's now holding pine cones a pine cone for knowledge that is coming off of the central Tree of Life in the center that has three different ones with balancing of the center now if you look at the top

do you see you see the three um Step pyramids with the two Eagles on either end yes now look at what the flowering of the center that comes right off of his of the where he's uh his his basically his head is pointing towards you see that mhm now that cons that that consists of seven rays which I believe correspond to the seven colors of the visible light spectrum interesting and this we also have seven chakras inside us that has talked about during Kundalini in ancient uh well seven comes up a lot you have the seven healo seven

sages seven arit and the Egyptian you know these are palaces that you go through sort of calistic protocols where yeah okay so I think what we're what we're talking about right now are literally some of the most holy sites on Earth with knowledge that's then passed around the world and archaeologists have severely gotten this wrong it's fascinating I mean when you talk to like Brian mirescu who wrote you know the immortality key he talks about the linian mystery rituals much later obviously in Greece but when you go

deeper with him he'll say no this this stuff is actually been going on well before the mystery rituals you had minoan and Myan yes Proto examples of these sort of mystery rituals and so conserved knowledge via you know specific rituals and symbology you know kind of makes sense that it would go back you know well before and maybe these things are that you know can't be taught via transferring of documents and you know just you know pure you know

just teaching semantic knowledge maybe it's something that needs to be activated within a given individual right and now if you look at the other image to your right there you can see the Griffin that became one of the core symbols of Greece of ancient Greece and I think I believe based on the trajectory of where these different groups went that were part of the same area the Suns is that even Ancient Ancient Greece just like Plato and plutar discuss has an earlier history than just the they're called the ancient

Athenians or Proto Athenians in those they describes it actually fighting against Atlantis yeah and so what we could be looking at is the implications of the emergence of a global golden age that may even connect to the ancient Athenians in Atlantis it's really it's fascinating so what would the Griffin why would the Griffin point it's a guardian it's an ancient Guardian in Greece and it is guarding what I believe is the symbol of time oh yeah The Hourglass yeah and I

believe that they're talking about guarding time for eternity basically what they're guarding is I believe is this concept of balance and Harmony in all things that's so interesting well you know the Templars supposedly had the secrets of time travel you know if you read the Umberto eeko Fuko pendulum you know there's a part where they had these sort of rituals that they would do and sort of related to Kundalini and and then you know at the very end of this crazy long description of the history of the Templar as am Berto Eko says you know

and maybe they even had the secrets of time travel well it's it's mind-boggling to consider like the connections because let me an example in South America in Bolivia we have vosha holding the two Condors on either side which I think is the same concept you see in front of you of the pillars of holding balance and that that God haly you see in front of you is very is the is the same thing as vosha and that the that the what we're seeing in around Lake tiaka with the

emergence of the pre tiwanaku civilizations in Pumapunku and around Peru is like a mirror a mirror civilization that was created with the very much the same Lake titty Kaka has one of the deepest lakes just like Lake vau surrounded by volcanoes and they both built out of the same andesite Basalt work that we see mimicking each other the same symbols so you have the same materials same symbols the Chana symbol the cross um the vosha we see the same type of building style um I show

pictures from ke that's in Peru yeah where how many sites do we have like this that we can correspond as far as symbology uh materials structures I'm tracing them all around the world potentially even to Egypt how many uh at least half a dozen i' for instance that step pyramid design I've also seen an angor Tom in Cambodia uhuh and in other places do we have any sense of how old angor Tom is that's another thing it's another mysterious site where we had other cultures that adopted it later on and then it kind of just disappeared

into history but the point is that we may look older than ankor watt though like they're part of the same complex I was just looking it up and it was like it was like you know past a th000 ad and I was like that doesn't make sense to me it's got to be older than they don't they have no way to date things like that just because someone comes along and writes something into something else it it doesn't date it now give you an example now archaeologists believe that the that all of these ruins all these artifacts all these symbols came from the urans because the urans wrote k form

into some of the temples just little spots here and there like I King Manoa or rusa II built this and that's what their basis for it being the Arians except the Arians had none of the same incorporation of these uh these motifs into their their artwork was quite primitive um they built on top of all the St the base stonework with mud brick uhhuh and then they crewed stonor none of the teachings were part of any of their culture at all and more

furthermore um they didn't seem to have any kind of respect for any of these ancient teachings they actually turned some of these Gods into War gods and it makes sense if you're during a time of war that you're going to use them in very different ways than they were before now my theory behind that is that this civilization left no writings like for instance in the Great Pyramid of Giza there are no writings anywhere okay a lot of these ancient sites like give

you an example two like if you go to pumu there's no writings anywhere that's interesting because you would if it were really from you know what we consider one of the ancient Egyptian kingdoms you would expect more hieroglyphics except that the hieroglyphics were maybe all come from the dynastic Egyptians that's what I'm saying yeah so maybe this civilization yeah that's just another point you know what their language was what was their language symbolism that yeah wow and that their literal way of passing knowledge why would you do that let me tell you why you would do that

manly behall discusses in his um amazing work that the Ancients language was symbolism because that way it couldn't be interpreted misinterpreted by those who were not adepts and sages you need the ears to hear or the eyes to see well you're just not going to understand what you're looking at if you're not a sage that has any kind of knowledge of it it literally won't make any sense to you this is true of all secret Society you know or you know anything and so I believe that their language may have been symbolism and these motifs

represent Divine knowledge that is at the very heart of two things one an understanding that we're part of this balance and Harmony of the earth and that everything is connected okay that's one and that those things are actually maintained and then the two is the knowledge of the Divine side of ourselves and how to reach these higher States Of Consciousness like all the great sages have always been trying to tell us all along and that those two are the Core Concepts of teaching some of

these are even like universal laws in in in with woven into these and I believe that's why so many of these civilizations built out of the same Stone had the same symbols all over the Earth um and just mysteriously disappeared because I believe that that Civilization then traveled around the world and I have evidence for that well I found sites one there's a site called Alton Tepe mhm you ready for this 425 miles away from the other sites enormous

distance that was has the same symbols same Temple design all of it's the same and it shows this migratory route that they were they were making and it it heads right towards the Mediterranean in the Black Sea I believe that that Civilization be between became Maritime and then influenced the preg Greeks influen the Egyptians influenc the Ancient Ancient Peru and Bolivia and maybe even other places like Cambodia and India do you think this is what we call Atlantis I I would I would say that

it's what we're looking for for the Lost civilizations why can't you you know the more conservative thing would be to say this is just one of these like Proto examples of the mystery rituals and we don't know you know and they were the mystery rituals themselves are conserved all over the world and that's pretty fascinating but we don't know exactly what civilization it came from the problem is though that any civilizations that are credited with this time period are considered iron or Bronze Age okay

okay iron or Bronze Age means that you only have tools made out of iron and bronze and your capabilities right iron agent is is the one that they created the your Arians now Iron Age tools bronze AG is like 1,000 BC is that came after Iron Age now if you have Iron Age tools how can you ever manipulate first of all move Stones hundreds of miles okay let's just start there if you were an iron AG civilization first of all how could you move gigantic blocks why would

you even do that when you have local Stone right in front of you that's like Limestone or something softer why on Earth would you ever go to those lengths to go and get those stones first if you're a primitive culture how would you even do it so I I so I agree with you that the conventional narrative is it has to be makes no sense makes no sense and then drawing conclusions from this so it's like okay so we have like six or so turn that over for a minute turn that flip it around now no flip the other way around now you see the base Stone that's

the that's the like the the the darker like the stone you can see in the bottom I do that's the foundation of ionas okay you're looking at now that is built out of an aite one of the hardest stones on Earth same type of stone we see all the way across the world in tiwanaku pumu wow now look on top that entire Mass you see on top is not dirt it's mud brick you can actually see the brick sticking out some now if the Arians were able to build out of stone then why would they all of a sudden only use mud brick on

top of it no it's almost like you see this regression of humanity like embodied in this sediment layer of like actually really advanced stuff going on at the lowest levels of the sediment layer and then stuff above it now that's the first thing now now why first of all how would they able to move these multi-ton stones from enormous distances one two how could they cut them anywhere near what are like laser cut Cuts right they look machine cut I have

examples from ke excuse me from KF kesi that have um cuts that are so sharp you can still cut your finger on them they're and you see the same thing in Puma punu that are so unbelievably uh perfect that today we wouldn't be able to do it by hand we would use a machine to cut those right we have no idea how they cut them secondly some of these symbols turn that around for a second and flip it around some of the symbols that the crosses actually go between

blocks seamlessly how would you do that how would you cut these symbols in utter Precision Beyond Comprehension and never make a mistake and put those in there like that now that altar in front of you is made out of golden kisite Alabaster right and they don't even know where it came from okay they they seem to be going to Great Lengths to create these unbelievable temples aligned with sun movements for very specific energetic reasons and I think it goes

way deeper than that yeah you look at the designs of ianus the way that there's this pillar design a Basalt with an andesite Central Susi Temple that they all have these Connections in this square around and that they have these extended periods of stone extend off of each corner it's like there's some kind of an energetic metaphysical uh response that we have no comprehension about at all like for instance I don't think this is anything about just tracking movements of the sun

I think the actual sun and the energy may have created something within this that human beings have no concept of yet well have you heard of certain people lying like sacred geometry is what I'm trying to say yeah know I get it um or yeah theories of you know resonance or fractal geometri of right so um yeah have you heard of rumors of sort of elite people you know uh spending time in Granite chamers in some of these pyramids like modern day like this happening now because I've heard of this

I've heard of you know this uh idea of you know certain people going into Granite Chambers and then having sort of outof body experiences astral projections and uh you know coming back feeling sort of you know think that was one of the purposes behind them Y and why do you think that I think that these were temples that were related to like Ascension temples if I want to call them that okay Ascension temples that were designed around not only human conscious harmonics okay frequency and vibration

but also this Fusion between um the again like the Earth Moon the Sun and also constellations and and all of those had that concept of the law of Correspondence that created a Synergy and that made perhaps Humanity forgetting that when we create these beautiful spaces of energy right temples of certain kinds of stone aligned in a certain kinds of way often with Gardens or flowing water or different things that it's like a magic is unlocked if I can describe it that way yeah it's like

some kind of a magic is unlocked and we become a conduit to be able to reach higher States and I believe that was one of their functions for why they were created the way they were and that we have literally forgotten all of it it's it's really fascinating that you have pink Quartz in Egypt you have granite in Egypt you have what do you call this golden it's it's golden csite cite in all these cases materials that don't exist locally in the immediate surrounding environment they're sort of going out getting them then they're using seemingly techniques when it comes

to building these geometric structures creating these Stone carvings that we can barely do today or if we would need heavy machinery we don't even know why they did that now and and let me give you uh a reason why this has been missed this is a big point I want to get across yeah yeah why is archaeology so awful when archaeologists came into this region there was a man named Charles Bernie who was like the you could call him the grandfather of your Artin history he kind of put a lot of the your Aran history together and then a lot of

the archaeologists that came later wrote in papers that a lot of their understanding came from him and then it kind of trickled Dr it trick trickled down it's called The Ivory Tower it's this idea that wellestablished uh prestigious people come before and then others are not willing to go outside of that narrative because it's like this established uh uh Doctrine right that gets that gets firmly established and then it almost gets buil off each other now go back to that sheet underneath the one the big one now you see what's in his hand and you see how in the center

there's a cypress tree of life you see that yeah they believe based on the arines being warlike that what haldi is passing and TBA there it's TBA and haldi one is a storm God and one is a god of uh preservation we see that in the in the uh what's called the triy in in uh in ancient uh India with Shiva right Vishnu Brahma I'm sure you've heard of that right yeah it's this idea of a Creator a preserver and a destroyer okay that's very much the same Concepts we see here except for because the were

warlike they believe archaeologists believe firmly that what they're passing in their hand is a spearhead a spearhead and that all those tea windows up above are false windows in a castle so much so that these sites are actually called kesis meaning fortresses because the urans built fortresses on top of them they are literally looking through everything and from the lens of a War culture right

everything and so none of them come back to being like an ancient uh mystical Sage teaching they're like they're like a war symbol and because of that all of these uh I believe are basically misinterpreted now you see that t pillar so if these aren't spearheads what are they they're they're the seeds passing the seeds of knowledge ah basically like we see all around the world now I want to I want to show you so what are examples of that that's so let me give let me give you example I'm going to pass this over to you I want you to see

something so they just assume it's a spirit because they that the ardans were warlike culture exactly now let me let me pass something to you that I think will help you understand this in a greater way that's so fascinating take a look at this yeah okay now that is that shavo Tepe it's made out of balt now now that's Robert shock right there uh we were all there just recently now look at the tea pillars on the box right the ball the ball relief right in front of you uhhuh no right here on the paper oh okay now look at this the te right here oh I

see you see that yeah see exact same thing whoa so where is this that's at a site right in the same region called shavu Tepe that is this mysterious te pillar which then mimics things like Minorca Spain and gockley teepe and we see the same te Concept in Pumapunku as well this is crazy man so it's out everywhere it's like this ancient teaching that was being around and now they believe that those are false doorways except they have no hole in the

the back they're solid that ways right in front of you that weighs 7 to 10 tons and there's no Basalt local to that area it also it makes sense archaeologists would be way off on this because you have like this national pride thing and you just want to like say that it was like this modern you know like or whatever whatever modern thing you would never want to predate it to some aned Global civilization exactly you know is the Proto layer to

everything like that would suck right if you're especially if you're like the minister of culture for like a specific region you would never want to do that so it makes sense like incentive wise why you would like ignore all of this or you would say you know this is a a a tip of a spear when it's in fact the seeds of knowledge like that's really interesting now and now let me let me show you one more image really quick to compare to that I think you're going to really like this take a look look at this one right here so this is from That's from the back of the sunate in

tiwanaku bivia and it's the same concept of the three doorways you see that now look at closely at the left and right side of those doorways do you see the T design it's got the same top with the three levels within it just the same as the T pillar now now now watch this I want to show you one more okay and and where is that in tiwanaku Bolivia Jesus that's so interesting this

pumu there's your key do all of these have astronomical alignments too that all of them now you do you see the T again this crazy man do you see the T again I do yeah that's puma punu in Bolivia and so and wow thousands and thousands of mil okay so now I think the AST now I'm higher conviction that the astronomical alignments matter yeah because like if they all lined up at a C so when okay and then can we get a little more precise about the timing given the astronomical alignments or these could be broad ranges different

times when they can align the one thing I can say is I'm very compelled with the research that's done with geodesi looking at where the North Pole was in relation to True North and also where for instance I was mentioning these Susi temples they faced either west or east but not anymore they're offset so for instance let's say this is East right this is West right instead of being East they're like that and instead of being West they're like that and so it's like well when did the earth when was the

Tilt different so that they faced East and same thing as when did they the temples fa true like True North not you know when was when was the North Pole uh mag you know True North not where it is now right so those are ways that we can start to understand these in a different way and I'll make sure we put all those images online so people can see what we're looking at um during this and so the Big Dipper is like seven stars right is is that right two three I'd have to add them I think seven and I think Polaris is considered well it's one of

the Stars the Big Dipper yes it's the end of the ladle yeah and it's considered I think in you know like I think eel's chariots go towards that like you know the Northstar Polaris and so I do think in a lot of these hermetic Traditions right like you go towards you know the the the the North Star basically well I think I think by doing that again it's that concept of odessi if you align yourselves to cardinal points of the earth both solar and magnetic you create something you like something special does any of this

relate to the modern UFO phenomena I know it's a really weird question think so I think uh I would just I'll throw out that I think a lot of UFOs are based on like secret government technology yep and then what percentage or do you think any of them are not or do you think all all of them are based on secret government Tech um I will tell you that uh I think the concept of Ancient Aliens has been a bit skewed from what I look at with these Gods like haldi it seems more like some kind of celestial intelligence that is far more powerful

than that concept related more towards a greater concept than someone coming here in a ship um in fact the nearest star system to us would take like a 100 light years to get to it's it's really I mean Lighty years if we could travel with the speed of light it seems to me I think it would take 80,000 years with chemical chemical combustion sari it seems to me that yeah I probably didn't get that number quite right but it seems to me that we uh were maybe

misinterpreting our way of looking at the influences of these and I'm not saying it's just man I don't think that I think that there's something greater and higher and I think they're what has been confused with being Angels and Demons throughout history m do do you think the angels and demons are still with us at all I don't think they ever leave I think there's some kind of a being bound to this reality and that's why they seem to show that they're the Guardians of uh balance here

so you think they're Guardians coexisting with Humanity right now yeah and then we somehow have a connection to them in a way where we are almost like children of that and that we're growing up to learn our true potential and that they're like the teachers where are the I believe that we're now supposed to find our way back on our own interesting and that we were given the keys do you think these are there yeah that's why I think all that happened is that we were given the keys there and that we lost them and now it's our turn to find our

way back do you think the Guardians are physical beings or non-physical I think they can be physical if they want to but they seem like they're very very powerful Celestial beings in hermeticism they call them the second mind yep I do think about like where Humanity could head and you you have like two two paths right say we have to inflect down or up and down is like we are extremely resource constrained we go through some malthusian cycle we live in this totalitarian World we're all microchipped we have to you know we have barely have access to clean water and

then the other future is like a ton of resource abundance via you know technology or whatever so I think in both in both cases you'd end up in some sort of simulation because you're going to have like you know the increase of you know it you know like like Fidel High Fidelity like simulations all VR whatever neuralink you know higher bandwidth relationship with computation you know that that that's probably just going to increase and but that's our path that doesn't mean that that was their path well where I think it gets

interesting is even if we inflect downwards so if you inflect downwards like ready player one like you want to opt into the simulation if you inflect upwards it's probably through Tech that's a dual use so it's like controlled you know uh nuclear fusion creates clean energy for all uncontrolled nuclear fusion creates the hydrogen bomb right and so like basically like a kid in his bedroom could like blow up the world at some point in the future probably and so you'd need if you're a guardian of that Civilization you would need people to be perfectly altruistic and so maybe you'd

give them some sort of simulation test you know all like contemplation of virtue to like get outside of their simulation or cave if you're using the pl analogy and so I think uh there's probably a a version of the future in either scenario where we end up in a simulation and then it's like why aren't we already in that future why aren we you know maybe these are like biological meat suits and we're in a cave right now and there's there you know these guys the Guardians are like literally like outside us goating us with little symbology here and there and you know

helping us throughout our lives uh but you know we have to sort of seek seek the knowledge ourselves well there's there's this idea that if we can be tricked then we're not ready okay and I so I want to get to that idea of this bu these building styles why they do all that stuff why build all that like these things like this why out of those types of stones why do that I think it was a completely the other path that Humanity can take the what what I have studied is that there's only two real paths yeah that a civilization can take what are they

there's one that is a very organic natural path and someone might see that as being primitive but I think that's what this other civilization took building out of giant Stones understanding the potential of the human energy field and the human mind to unlock abilities that we no longer remember any longer telekinesis potentially levitation right things that we don't understand where they seem to be in harmonic resonance with the earth and the universe and I think that path is the complete opposite from what we

took and then there's the other path which is like a cheating system which is where you you picky back off of uh fossil fuels and then have like this massive jump start by getting ahead in in your Civilization by kind of polluting the world and getting further and further away from Spirit and Source though it's it's a it's like you get there kind of quick look what happens in the last 500 years I think there's this addiction to you know the kardashev scale so this idea of you know I think it's like 70s like Soviet astronomer something this idea of like uh levels of

energy you know ability to manipulate levels of energy us to kind of travel at you know at different levels Interstellar and so you know there's a single planet civilization multiplet civilization you know multi- Galactic Civilization and you get you get to higher levels and I think we're sort of addicted to this idea of like getting to you know increased increased levels of kind of energy density concept though yeah that's what I'm saying I think there's there's something actually very magical about human biology and the Earth and the Earth itself and there's

sort of there's a technology involved in like the construction of us and and life and biological life that is I'm sort of a biological exception exceptionalist like I think there's something very uniquely special about biology that we don't we don't understand 100% and um and you know there are all these examples so like the emerging you know we're trying to build quantum computers right now and you know the bottleneck is keeping the chips in these extremely cool environments it's really energy intensive you know it's a material science problem as well and you know

increasingly you have this field of quantum biology where we're actually finding out all sorts of quantum processes in the human body and other animal organisms whether it's Robin's kind of navigating home via the magnosphere of the Earth the C4 protein or you know uh enzyme creation via Quantum tunneling or photosynthesis you know all this stuff is kind of emerging and then I I think there's an interesting you know quantum mechanics interpretation which gets so overused to be honest on channels like Gaia and in the self-help Community but that

actually was pretty well studied in the form of parasym this idea that you know wave function collapse is this completely random process that has nothing to do with the mind all the people who created this stuff Schrodinger himself probably would have you know what did entertain the idea that the mind was part of collaps yeah and the Copenhagen school is completely consistent with that interpretation yes and so I yeah totally so I do I think there is something very

unique and special about Consciousness that materialist production yeah that's the big piece I think that's missing is that we are far more powerful than we realize oh way more and that we our Consciousness is not localized that we have this idea that we want to physically travel somewhere but perhaps we're looking at it in the wrong way 100% And in in two ways both in the form of chemical combustion Rockets yes and then also in the form of this Silicon Valley Cult of transhumanism where we need a higher bandwidth relationship with classical

computers when you know I think I think our brain is actually sort of a quantum computer and it has some sort of tessera holograph component like we're a higher dimensional space I I I believe that we're like antennas and and if we can tap into this certain frequency we tap into this uh all knowing this and this type of like a kosic record almost like Source energy and that we are a very very special and very Divine being we just don't remember yeah I agree with that well think the and that's what

mystery rituals do is they so like the idea that the body and the brain is actually a collapsing function it's a narrowing valve a filtering of something that involves greater omniscience beneath it is is this age-old idea and it's completely unfalsifiable to say that Consciousness is locally produced and not actually transmitted in some I can't wait till that goes away I'm I'm so frustrated by that I I think it will because there's there's more evidence

think about it even even phenomenologically brain does not create Consciousness when you are daydreaming where is that the content of your thoughts where is that being produced William James you know and Aldis Huxley all these people were big fans of this transmission Theory Of Consciousness and it you have this binding problem of Consciousness where you have no idea how the disparate parts of our brain you know you have it's very mysterious yeah meld together you would have a binding problem of a radio you need to know that it has an antenna that is transmitting a signal to know that why it's playing you

know ofal these Four Seasons or Tupac or whatever and so it's like this really important question and yeah I mean I can get into even crazier theories around you know an extended version of electrodynamics that that might involve I don't we we haven't figured it out but the mystery rituals point to this because if you look at the linian Mysteries or any of these other rituals they involve the temporary killing of the physical body through a near-death and then you remember your it's called

noesis is the Greek you remember your primordial Soul self yeah and then you come back with this knowledge of your own immortality and this sort of renewed confidence in your life yeah because energy can't be destroyed it can only change state which means that if we're if our spirit is connected to a reincarnation system of our soul right then it means that we never truly die right and that the fear of death is actually just to keep us um trapped here yeah and that what was that there was that Greek Cathedral that said if you if you die before you die you won't die

when you die or whatever and that's that it really is the um kind of underlying principle behind all of these rituals yeah and you know whether it's in the Amazon putting your hand in a glove full of 20,000 bullet ants you're kind of switching the thing off and that's an Act of Faith because you you you then realize that the world is much more expansive and if you look at like the neoplatonist like like uh platinus for example would say that you know simulation is used all the time in in today's world but it's used in this sort

of nihilistic postmodern you know bottle Ard you know simul simulacra you know it's just a video game right but there's this platonic sense that like in platinus would say like we are we are as a Souls porting ourselves into a low-level reality yes and that's probably I don't things are unifiable that's the journey that I told you it's that starting from a higher place and then ending up um having to go through the wandering of the darkness of a lower State and then finding our way back I

think that's the game yeah and along the way we learn incredible lessons about how to exist from I think what starts as metaphysical existence into this physical reality and then having to learn real consequences and lessons about growth the growth of our soul the growth of um what kind of a what kind of a being we want to be and how we how are itive Consciousness can rise up and be raised by that that growth so why do you feel like you're driven to uncover kind

of the secrets of ancient civilization what I I I have believed based on certain U experiences I've had that I probably had a life in one of these ancient civilizations with some of these things because they feel uh a lot of it feels very driven and very important to me in this life to uncover these connect them and I uh I feel like it's more of sometimes it almost feels a little bit like remembering but not in the sense where

I'm trying to claim that I'm you know into something for instance I'm not trying to say like oh I remember all this stuff and I haven't done the research it's more like as you're I'm going along and connecting all these dots you sort of have like a knowing you're like oh shoot like of course right and and then also what happens is then you like go deeper and then you get to another layer it's like an onion and then it's like oh hey by the way you were right before but that's not the same um there's like a more expansive

way to look at it you like oh I get it like I didn't see that before and then it keeps going and there is there's these like steps and levels to understanding this nature of reality well I think you know there's a Plato dialogue you know Mino where he says all knowledge is recollection yeah and I think the idea that we are just running some like local Optimizer to like learn random things to just lead a good life or whatever it's total BS you are when you learn something that sticks with you

like how does memory work it's the reinforcement or articulation of probably latent knowledge inside of you and you see it and there's some resonance and you're like this is this is really interesting I have to focus on this and I don't know why yeah and then that leads to other things and if you were if people were honest about about their own epistemics that would be how everybody would describe how they navigate life and they wouldn't be able to navigate life otherwise I'm telling you that's the future is this is here's the thing I I see that that actually unlocked a lot of this is that your

intuition is your guidance get out of your brain use that for things like silly you like get figuring Mass stuff out in bills and things like that but when you want to make really important decisions or paths in life get out of this get into this trust trust yourself trust that you're more powerful than you've been told and trust that you're being guided and I'm telling you the do is just unlock and all of a sudden these Divine synchronicities happen right you're like you trust you like you give it a little bit of trust and then something happens and then you're like

whoa and then it leads to something else and you're like how did that even just happen and then it blows your mind and then you start being like well this is like a Trippy thing and then you the more you go down it the more you realize that we're definitely part of this like guided Divine story you can play a part in that you can either right you can either like Shakespeare said right all of the world is a stage what which part do you want to play do you want to play the the the hero the uh the antagonist do you want to play just someone kind of neutral like an NPC in the background but at any any point based on Free Will

you can decide to kind of wake up and start that Journey using your intuition where do you think the next big breakthrough is going to come from and I I'll ask it differently because I think a lot of times people in your position Robert shock's position Graham Hancock's position you end up in this sort of Lial space where like half of the people that like resonate with your stuff you know all these people who like hear you out really agree with you and they're like this makes so much sense this is right

we've been lied to about ancient civilization do you think there's a point in our lifetime or at any point in the near future where this flips into oh this is the consensus like like all of these you know Fertile Crescent is the cradle of civilization and all of these kind of like hyper nationalized stories are just kind of BS and a lot of this ancient architecture all over the world comports with universal symbology I think that the reason it hasn't come out yet is that Humanity

wasn't ready it's like a mystery school it's like the adepts are ready when they're ready and we as a collective have not been ready yet we've been governed by lower consciousness in different aspects of energy and that's why these things have been able to be held back because we allowed it but that's that there's a Tipping Point like Graham says I believe our entire history has been built on a foundation of sand and that's that tide is coming in right now well I I think I mean just thinking again using the my left brain logical

like how most people think out there I think the way to tip the scales here would be to come up with some new age dating method Beyond carbon dating if we could somehow do that for any of these structures and then if we could find more of them you mentioned like maybe a half dozen if we could find more of them and we could date them all I I I think we get to this point of this critical threshold of it's beyond A Reasonable Doubt well let me add something to that I guess this is this would probably be helpful for you I am part of a very

significant documentary that I'm leading awesome um with some very interesting individuals around the world including of the ones we've already mentioned that we are trying to do that very thing right now epic and we're right in the middle of that we've been those trips I mentioned to you were scouting trips that are out in advance of something much greater um that we are building um for a documentary that we hope helps to shift uh that entire narrative super exciting well if I can join for any leg of that trip Count Me In man I'm serious

I'll I'll fly wherever and uh just be a fly on the wall and uh you know be awesome to witness history so it's very exciting uh the documentary goes from these sites in turkey that includes uh Peru and Bolivia and Minorca Spain and we'll uh potentially expand on other things but let's just say that some of these secrets um are we have some very compelling uh data and some very interesting things that I can't I can't share everything yet but stay tuned

because um things are about to get exciting anything you can hint at and anything mindblowing that we missed um there's some very interesting there is some potential dating stuff that I can't talk about yet really yes that's going to Smoking Gun that things are older than we think yeah so stay tuned um I've had to have a vow of secrecy on that one that's really exciting yeah wow well if we could get that man help me break I mean let me help you break it come back and we'll we'll we'll we'll talk about I

will we we're it's it's an ongoing project we are um we want to make sure we do our dual dual diligence to explore all these places uh before actually filming so we can make sure that we um we tell the story and PR present the evidence in the best way possible very cool and is it it's you Robert shock anybody else uh we have a whole team um and again some I want I don't want to say that just because everyone's involved in it that they have to have a certain perspective I want to just throw that out there that all the people involved in this are experts in their

field and they are just bringing their expertise and we are um investigating these Mysteries but it doesn't mean anyone has to necessarily be on board to anything um but yes we have uh experts like uh Robert shock U we have um um Robert Edward Grant we have archaeologist symbologist or polymath we have uh archaeologist Hans orim we have sacred geometry expert Arturo um um Arturo Pon Leon and we have uh L Leon he

must to change that name and then we have uh we have uh Lydia Lydia Deon so we have some uh we have some really really interesting we also have Paul Wallace who's a Biblical expert I don't if you've heard of Paul Wallace um and some others that we're we're we're putting together to investigate some of these Mysteries right now fantastic well I'm super excited to see what you guys dig up I think it's a really interesting time it's convergence of the world kind of waking up to a lot of this stuff this Collective Amnesia possibly

as well as just a new tech that where you know ideally we can sort of date absolutely um and if you want to support that um the stageof time.com you can go to documentary on the tab the tab there and we have all that information there for what we're doing awesome uh have you ever read a book called Forbidden Archaeology by any chance if you're familiar with it so they talk about a lot of these you know like the anti theor mechanism you know that was found on this island in Greece you know where it's basically you can predict I'm I'm well planetary alignments and

positioning via this like early computer or something do you think that a lot of this theory that you're kind of stumbling into explains a lot of that you know astronomically and technologically precocious because they had mastered those things and the reason why we don't find much of it is because if you have enormous amounts of time that go by with catastrophes there's very little that can survive a civilization and I would bring up what would survive our civilization y I mean

if you think about it wood would just rot metal would corrode glass would just break off and disappear and round out into what looks like you know quartz almost and then shatter into smaller pieces yeah things like what do we actually have that would survive digital records would all be gone paper gone in 500 to a th000 years all we would have is getting back to what they did is the stonework from like churches and chapels and things that would literally be all that would survive us yep maybe humans are storage mechanisms exactly so I

think that's that's the thing that really needs to be um iterated here is that we look at so little that's left but really like there's quite a bit considering how much time has gone by so many thousands of years and yet structures like we just pointed out like ionas just remain the they Remain the test of time and their teachings survive until were're ready to finally understand what they really mean fascinating man well Matt I really appreciate your time this was awesome

and I I enjoyed that conversation it was great yeah well I feel like we're just on the precipice of I I I'd love to help in any way push this forward because I think it's like really important stuff and I want to get to the bottom of it if we could somehow figure out that all of this was older there were more than what we have now and that you have still you have consistent symbology across all these sites you know that's just this massive exciting that's what we're working to do right now and I feel like we're at that precipice right now where that old Foundation is collapsing the

sand foundation and we're at the edge where it's going to be a Tipping Point where all of a sudden once we you know bring out some of this good evidence and some of these new things emerging that it's going to just shift like dominoes yeah well look like I think instrumentation is really crucial for ontological understanding of Truth so it's like galile needed a telescope to tell us that we didn't live in a heliocentric universe and there's so many examples the discovery of like bacteria in the late 19 centur you know

whatever electrons you know via You Know M microscopy or whatever that uh perceptual hacking or whatever is like how we understand the true world that we're probably swimming in and living in outside of our it's called awareness yeah it's awareness increase your awareness of everything so the idea that like we won't have a profoundly different understanding of the origins of Humanity near term even given that Archaeology is in its modern form only you know sub20 years old is actually I

think involves a lot of hubris and is probably just completely wrong you know there's a great book called The halflife of facts by a guy named Samuel arbisman and he talks about facts and consensus being like almost acting like radioactive isotope Decay where like half of the facts SL SLO off and we overturn them constantly I see this as as having a I just want to say this and we can we can end out is that um I see it as being this enormous shift that all of a sudden just pivots yeah I have I

have archaeologists that email me all the time young young guys in school young girls in school like wanting to like learning about archaeology or they're new to archaeology they're just starting out and they're like I want to make a difference but I don't want to follow the old narrative once it shifts once we see that shift and all those listening to this imagine what we can accomplish if we're all on the same team totally open-minded objective science like it was supposed to be all along just the facts look into what's there have no biased what and and that that's

a broad spectrum across everything what could Humanity do if we were under the lens of like trying to better ourselves and understand who we really are what could we unlock and Achieve together I think it's AA and caribdis and on the one hand you have new Agy magical thinking but on the other hand you have equally dogmatic skepticism and if right now we have too much skepticism and it's this Citadel this Priestly Citadel of expert you know class or whatever that's trying to keep everybody else out and I

think it's a beauty of the internet Because the Internet is more of a true Marketplace of ideas than sort of Legacy Media and you can see Graham Hancock debate flint dible and then you can fact checked Flint Dibble and realized that he got all his shipwreck data completely wrong and he lied about it and like it's this beautiful Collective kind of Socratic process of like accessing truth that's kind of you know despite back doors into social media platforms all Twitter files or whatever it's kind of hard to shut down like it's this it's

it's growing and it can't be stopped octopus that's just growing yeah you can't take it back out of the once the Box is open right it's like this is all opening up right now you can't put it back you can't put it back it's only going to grow to a greater understanding and eventually it's just going to tip the scales and then and I encourage all archaeologists and scientists whatever whoever you are freeth thinkers of the world to understand that you know this is about to shift and just imagine what we can all accomplish together on that kind of mindset I would love that man well let's let's do it and uh okay final

question um any of these sort of ancient you know symbolic structures whether it's the Ark of the Covenant the Holy Grail like some of these you know things that we've quested for for thousands of years do you have high conviction that any of these exist and if so what's the thing that your highest conviction in and where do you think it's located and one of the things that that may happen with this shift is during transparency we may end up uh realizing that there are things that have been hidden

deliberately things that have been hidden in certain parts of the world uh I'll just say this certain ancient temples that have been dismantled and things that have been removed and I have found very very compelling evidence that that it's happened Temple of which Temple uh some of the ones that we were just referring to interesting uh in that region and um that there are and other things that have been deliberately hidden for instance the 40,000 Ki form tablets at the Asher Bop Paul Library around 150 have been translated out of

40,000 wow we have to start asking about bringing together uh a global awareness of what has happened to all these things where they have gone and what maybe we can gleam from them and so I would just say that this shift over to a new paradigm of thinking an open-minded objective science to understand who we really are and what has happened to us in the past will also unlock some other Secrets regarding things that have been hidden from us for a very long time and I think the the bifurcation of Mythology

and quote unquote history is ridiculous because a lot of the path past comprised mythology and religion and so you have you know uh Hinrich V schlaman in 18 71 being motivated by thus cities and Homer everybody was saying that was just mythology and then he finds Troy and then now we you shupac like we just went over sh Pac we're finding that out now you know um uh Plato saying you know at tus and crus you know this in this at this Mythos Festival saying that 9,000

years ago we fought against Atlantis the Athenians did and and so increasingly and then maybe that that's meltwater pulse 1B or maybe that's some other thing whatever conversation about that I could bring some stuff to that next time we can talk about oh really oh yeah oh interesting The Plato yeah I think Plato has been um uh overly and I I believe what he's saying but I mean I think there's even better evidence for Atlantis besides that well tell me no you got this is totally relevant to our conversation today you got to tell okay I'll just I'll say this and then we can end out but U for instance Plato of

course is uh Socrates his mentor was murdered and poisoned during that time period because he spoke out not necessarily about lost civilizations but spoke out right he drank a poison he killed he was forced he was forced to drink Hemlock it was his choice to die his choice of death because he had to it was like you can do this this this right the problem was Plato was very concerned about speaking openly about things because of again his mentor was killed he was devastated others couldn't speak out so I think that's why he he took all those things and put him into allegory

okay however the thing that I think people Miss is that there's another poet and philosopher called plut AR there's also diodorus but plutar never gets talked about plutar I have his book plutar lives well in plutar he describes how there was a very specific Elder priest at the Temple of C in Egypt named sanas and he describes them in great detail and I realize that if we look at that on paper um having an individual called out that has very a name that has

a standing as a certain Elder priest of that an actual Temple that they found and there's pictures of brings it the whole thing out of allegory into a realism sense Plutarch describes sanus in great detail as being the Elder priest of the Temple of sa and therefore um I think justifying that the story was not allegorical and was real but and so oh interesting so he talks about him as like a historical figure yeah exactly and it was he the

one that relayed that he was the one that Solon learned the entire story from Atlantis from very spe so what I mean is you think about something like oh that sounds fun like meeting up with hypothetical priests down in down in Egypt okay but how about plutarch's version where he actually describes a specific individual in history that is the elder priest of the Temple of C named sanches who is the one who KN who had all the knowledge because he was the Elder priest and they all the other ones were supporting of him oh why is nobody bring that up that's wild that's what I

think too and we know that sanas went to Egypt no sanas was the Elder priest of the Temple of C that Solon went down to meet and that's who told him the entire story of Atlantis and he to and great an anci okay so Solon never went directly to Egypt sanus no no no no no Solon learned the story from sanus ah he was the Elder priest of the Temple of C of these other priests so when Plato talks about it likeus go to Egypt though or

like was this sanas is the elder priest of the Temple of SE and Temple is Egypt oh that's in Egypt okay got it you see what I'm saying got it so it's no longer a hypothetical place that Solon goes to to find out a story it's a very specific place that was number one verified and number two now we have an historical figure who was the Elder priest that knew all the knowledge and talked about how that literally was the purpose of the Temple of SE was to be a recordkeeping location for history we know that and it was destroyed at some

point within the next 500 years to A Thousand Years it didn't exist and it like we never saw it again have we dug it up at all or no no it was like wiped out and just disappeared in history the Temple of we have paintings made from it from descriptions of those who saw it how do we know that it was this historical record keeping because place because plutar goes into details of talking about sanis as being the Elder priest of that entire Temple who was basically giving descriptions of it in a way that Plato doesn't even do that's wild yeah it's like another layer to it

if people want to go down is plutar fascinating well there you go kind of hidden between the lines a little bit if you're paying attention I love it mystery continues well Matt really appreciate it man this is lot you to Jesse that was a great conversation yeah learned so much yeah to be continued to be continued my friend awesome man cool well thanks so much and if you want to see my work uh my my YouTube channel is Matthew lroy uh my Instagram is the stage of time and my website is the stageof time.com go check it out subscribe like and yeah watch watch all

your awesome videos and yeah I hope I hope you know a lot of people come out and support you because I think you're doing really important work and sometimes work like this you know uh is not it's an ex it's ex lies external to our you know capitalist system or whatever but it's like extremely important agree and and uh you know Carnegie Gospel of wealth sense it should be like where the excess proceeds you know flow directly to immediately like it should be the first place we fund is this these our our understanding

of ourselves and that should inform our culture and everything so we'll get there Jesse I appreciate it was a great conversation thanks my friend awesome