“Mars Had Alien Life!” (Ft. Joe McMoneagle)

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Joseph mcmonagle uh you are known as remote viewer number one and in my mind you are sort of the archetypal remote viewer as part of the Stargate program uh I I think you're as or more gifted than any psychic in the world and uh you've developed uh some some open source protocols that you now Teach as well you won the Legion of Merit uh for over 200 instances in which you added to Military Intelligence you've saved countless lives and so thank you for

your service and thank you for having me here I am honored to be here of course you're welcome thank you man well let's get into it I think a lot of people when it comes to the psychic question uh they wonder if it's just this innate thing you're born with or whether it's trained well everybody's born with it it what you have to understand is if you went back 400,000 years we didn't we didn't even have language so the typical grouping of people was a family unit it

would be like 12 to 15 people you know from the older all the way down to the youngest and we couldn't we actually didn't have a language we couldn't speak to one another we started out grunting and pointing so the men did the hunting and the women did the Gathering back in those days so you were at high risk just doing either one of those because the animals were extremely dangerous so if there were six men eight men circling an animal for a

kill they had to know what each each one of them was doing and if they were in the right place and doing the right thing the same thing with the women if they were out gathering in a place where they were looking for roots let's say and it was tall grass and a saber-tooth tiger came into that grass you couldn't see it but instinctively just like you see deer doing today all the women's heads would come up and they'd all look in that direction and start backing into a crowd because there's more defense in

a crowd so it's almost like with the development of writing and other senses that have become more emphasized in modernity we have lost this innate ability to communicate with nature and through Instinct think of it this way eventually one family unit met another family unit they decide to share the same cave so you're sitting in the cave and you're strong point is that you can actually almost read somebody's mind in

other words you're reading other human beings because you've been doing it your whole life and you're just starting to develop a language so you send it to fire and the guy across from you is a new stranger first time you've ever had a stranger sitting there and he's kind of ooing your spear you know like oh man that's a good looking spear you pick that up he's a dead man he starts checking your woman out you know so that didn't work so mother

nature does what it always does when it has to fix something it probably installed a an early filter or something kind maybe it was in the colossum where the Mind interchanges information yeah the Corpus colossum which divides the left and right exactly so it it probably did that in order to just slow it down a little bit make it little more harder to perceive well that's interesting have you heard of Julian Janes you know uh the origins well he talks about the

bamal mind and the origins of Consciousness and how there's a splitting between left and right brain and the Corpus colossum is that sort of splitting and when you think about schizophrenia it deals with anomalies in the Corpus colossum and Kim Peak who's a famous he's the inspiration for Rainman actually had sephtis and that allowed him seemingly to download all of this information as if it was from the cloud or something and so there it does seem like there's a a part of that brain which divides the

left and right brain when actually hindered allows for more downloads yeah we did a lot of studies uh when I went from the Army into the the uh research lab we did a lot of studies while doing remote viewing and it turns out there were a lot of things we discovered some of them were uh there are actual brain cells throughout the nervous system so if you want to talk about mind you have to talk about the entire body now because the entire brain is in the

nervous system and it's also in the head in the skull your senses are exquisitly sensitive for a lot of stuff but we don't pay any attention to it because if we have a problem we go see a doctor or we look it up in a book or whatever uh we didn't have to have that instant understanding for what was going on so it atrophies naturally and right what I find really interesting is I don't know if you're tracking this but one of the number one podcasts in the country right now something called the

telepathy tapes and it's nonverbal often autistic children who have extremely high rates of Clairvoyance and so one has to wonder is there opportunity cost with the language that we have developed and when you're not relying on that language do you revert back to a more primordial form of communication well it brings Consciousness into an arena where you no longer are sensing the surroundings or the situ it's called situational awareness your focus is

taken off of that and it's into how you're going to communicate what you feel about the person across from you what you're sensing from them so you the the warning system that was very functional 200,000 years ago becomes dysfunctional well you take somebody and put them in combat for a lot or you put a policeman on the beat at night alone or firemen's in a building on fire they

got to know when to like back out of that fire cuz the building's going to collapse or where not to go in the alley because it's an ambush so you become more situationally aware about the entire area around you instead of just where you're sitting when do you first recall as a child being like okay maybe I'm kind of good on this sort of psychic stuff uh when they decided some of the gangs in the area decided they needed me

as a token white kid that didn't work for me to literally mentally Scout what might happen to them or something well it was more of a I didn't feel comfortable with people that know might have not liked me as much as the other kids or were waiting for me to be alone with my change from going to the store for my mother or something you know it it it it became a danger for me

in many cases just going to the store because I had that $5 bill in my pocket or something that kind of thing do you remember any specific instances where you got some download as as as a child and your as a child yeah you knew something was going to happen before it or not so much specific instances I just remember being alert all the time and hearing voices sometimes that would tell me don't do this don't do that interesting or back off you know don't

go down that road go down this road and I remember we were on the phone one time and you you were talking about just shamanic Traditions generally in the beginning the people who kept small tribes of humans alive were Shaman and often shamans from like a physical perspective wouldn't be the most adaptive they might be sickly or protected actually by the the group by the tribe right uh but extremely from like a group selection level extremely adaptive for the tribe because they're

essential for for for scouting what might kind of come around the bed well the shamans make all the decisions I mean they notice things like a a black bird lands on a certain limb and faces a certain way and it means something to them but only because it's tied to maybe what the weather's going to do but they're not they're not observant enough to know the weather's changing but they are observant enough to notice the black birds so they they sort of superstitiously anchor things being

caused by the environment that relates to changes and things that are going to dangerous fascinating yeah so what point do you get recruited for the military in the military you mean for remote viewing no I mean generally see you were in Vietnam am I wrong yeah but my first tour uh when I joined the military my uh AIT Advanced indidual individual training was for a thing called The Sidewinder it was a track mounted uh six

106 recalls rifle barrels and they used them for anti-tank and bunker busting that sort of thing so I actually wanted that I when I first joined I wanted to fly fixed Wing but I couldn't because I had a problem with my eyes for depth perception so they said you can't fly with glasses so pick another MOS so military occupational specialty so I picked the Sidewinder because I really thought it was

cool so I I went eight weeks to AIT for that and as soon as I graduated everybody got sent to Vietnam except me they held me back and said the armies decided to uh decided to obsolete your weapon system they're going to turn it all over to the South Vietnamese Army so you need to find another job so go out in the on the base and find something you like so I spent two days walking

around the base and it's a training base it was Fort Jackson South Carolina so one afternoon I wouldn't find anything iik so one afternoon I went to the Beer Hall which was connected to the PX so since it's a facility it was empty it's just me in there and I was drinking a beer they they sered 3.2 beer there it's terrible stuff but I was drinking a beer by myself and this man came in a civilian with a beard and he he sat way across

the room and I said why are you way over there why did you come over here and sit with me and we could talk so he came over and he said why aren't you in training and I explained to him what I was doing and he said well maybe I can help he gave me his card but on his card all he had was his name on one side and his phone number on the other so I called him the next day and he told me how to get to his office and he was working in a trailer and so when I went in the

trailer I found out that he was a guy who was in intelligence and I asked him is there any openings in intelligence and he said there could be he said but fouryear commitment is not long enough you have to have a six-year commitment cuz it takes takes a long time to train so I said well I can't how do you do that so he gave me a short discharge and I realized for six years which was crazy back then and uh got picked up for

intelligence and sent to school I went to school for 16 months I went through three classes the first one 130 people I graduated second in the class that's amazing so what on what criteria this was all about radios okay learning to operate all you know Chinese radios Russian radios American radios all those kinds of things so you're pretty technically Savvy no I wasn't okay that's what the training is for and the

problem was um International Morse code I had to learn International Morse code and I had to learn to send it and receive it with a pencil and a open j28 key and I had to be able to do that at 20 wordss a minute 20 words a minute it's fast and I got to 10 and I was getting closer and closer to graduation date and if I couldn't get past 12 I wouldn't graduate I'd become a what they call a 11b grunt

with a rifle you know where you go when you're a grunt with a rifle so I went to the I went out through a hole in the fence to a hotel downtown in the local town and shot pool and drank beer all came back I was late for class I went into the classroom and sat down and the instructor came over and he he did one of these oh my God where have you been and I told him I said I can't can't do this and he put the headsets on me

handed me the key and said you're going to have to or you're going to Vietnam so I passed 10 12 15 20 uh 15 18 22 that day in like two hours something popped in my head wow and it's just like a language to me now so but even there you're showing this ability to learn with you're saying you're not technically Savvy but under certain you know duress it's like a language though you know if you have to translate things

in your head while you're listening you you're not really learning the language yeah it's when you automatically know what the person's saying in that language that's learning the language it's interesting I was talking to this woman named Dr Diane Powell who studies a lot of these non-verbal children and she was saying that the Mind itself is a sense and I didn't quite understand what she meant by that but you're kind of corroborating that yeah because you have to understand everything about your senses is a conscious sensing your mind

is telling you what these things like your eyes your ears your nose are telling you about the World At Large the problem is you're locked inside a bone right so all this out here is just the figment of your imagination that your mind has put together yeah so the eyes alone to give you an example the eyes alone vibrate and we don't we don't know we can't even tell it it's happening the reason they vibrate is they're actually

giving you two different pictures with big black holes in the middle because the back of the eyeballs where the nerve root connects so there's no rods and cones there so to get rid of those big black holes uh they it's called dithering it produces a multitude of pictures very quickly by vibrating the eyes and it overlays and washes away the black holes so then it combines the the result and what you see is what your

mind has created out of all that vibratory moving around and every so if there's something in the room that you detect test you may never see it m and there's lots of stuff you can find on the internet now like where they say you know tell me how many times these two guys pass a basketball and you're focused on something else you're focused on that and and when the film's over they they'll say something did you see the 6'4 guy in the gorilla suit you go get out of here have you ever heard the

term flicker rate does that mean anything to you yeah it means a lot to me because because that has an effect as well every all of our senses are not not Exquisite can you explain flicker is to the average person in the audience flicker rate is uh the existence of something is not uh it's not fixed it's here gone here gone here gone here gone and the eyes are

looking at something like the the area that you're staring at well that's a flicker rate too because of the multiple vibrations and the rep picturing of it and so th if those match up perfectly syn it's probable that you're not going to see anything there it's there when you're not seeing seeing not there not seeing there the flicker rates are off interesting so it's almost

like a frame rate in a camera or something yeah like exactly you've seen pictures of helicopters where it looks like the blade's not moving and it just lifts off the ground mhm that's a flicker rate the the prop spin is exactly the same as the actual frame rate of the camera so it's freeze framing the prop only in that position all the time and given that you're getting these sort of disperate images that your mind has to sort of reconcile

yes it it it almost feels like um whatever symbolic conventions you have in your mind somehow defines what you see and those are developed culturally from birth what everybody's told you reality is constructed like it's all the things that have worked up to that point and there's a lot of things you will never see because you just simply don't process it right uh it would be like if someone has never seen a violent act in their life and they're sitting next to a

table where a guy is shot and killed the guy just simply shoots him drops a gun puts his hands in his pockets and strolls out there can be eight people watch that happen and half of them will not have seen it right so because it's too traumatic what you're almost saying is that reality itself might be like subjective it is radically subjective it's what we intend to see or need to see or feel like we can deal with and so

your intention somehow is super fundamental to what you actually see or your your attention either of those but but even worse it's the same with the ears it's the same with the uh taste and smell smell is pretty powerful though because smell goes right to the brain it does not mess around with you know being manipulated in any way well the old factory region is right next to the hippocampus so it's very nostalgic sense when you when you smell the

saber-tooth tiger you could bet it's there oh yeah yeah but you may not recognize the smell but smelling it causes you to to freeze frame MH and say something's wrong I can't go any further I need to back out of here M that's because the smeller just told you it's there but you have not cognitively known that yet so you find yourself going through the tests for intelligence and passing with flying colors especially

under duress I was I was in the top three of all three classes that I went through that I went from the class of 130 I was second in the class so I went in another class had 25 people and I was first in that class then I went to a class with five people I was the only one in uniform and I graduated first in that class so everybody went off the Viet n and they retained me for like two weeks

uh one day they came in and took all my uniforms away and sent me to uh Lynchburg Massachusetts with $500 said buy clothes so I bought a whole lot of clothes in a suitcase came back and then the next day they put me on a C130 at an in an Airbase close by and I made I think nine stops at night and I was in charge of two big pallets of classified material so I had to release

it to the proper people with the right credentials and the last stop we made was one box and they said take that with you and I got off the plane and the plane took off and I was standing looking at a very short runway in the middle of nowhere there was a shack made out of metal and I sat on this log because there was nobody else there and it was warm and wet and over on the left the water was like pale blue and on the

right it was deep purple and that Island went off in both directions as far as you could see but none of it was wider than three football fields so it's like a Sho string and I said where in the heck am I and uh a guy pulled up in a baby blue Jeep wearing shorts white T-shirt and flip FP flops and he walked over and he said are you Joe and I said yeah and he said I'm your boss my name's s and I was on a Luther in the Bahamas

that's my first tour was 18 months within a whisper jet where I grew up and so your initial job is transporting classified material or what was it no I can't even talk about my initial job okay my my cover was airc rescue interesting so it but it it was interesting cuz I was a lifeguard uh Red Cross lifeguard I could instruct people on how to swim and half the unit couldn't swim and we were supposed to be

saving people W so I taught people who couldn't swim how to swim but that was covered for something else right that's like a a weird movie or something sitcom or something and and it turns out there was a man there who uh he was a diver and he used to clean the legs of uh oil wells out in the Gulf of Mexico until he got sucked into the mouth of a fish once it scared him so bad you know a big grouper

that's the size of a Volkswagen just when they open their mouth creates a vacuum ah and he was cleaning the legs of this uh this big floating platform with a steam uh wand and this grouper was very curious so it came up behind him and it opened its mouth and he got sucked backwards into this fish mouth oh my God and it it didn't hurt him or anything it just he got stuck in his grouper mouth

Jesus and he spit him out finally and it frightened him so bad he quit his job it was rehired by uh the downrange people at Cape canaval to clean the connectors on underwater cables it was pretty Gnar man speaking of gnarly and intense you fell out of a helicopter no I didn't fall out what happened were you pushed out that was in latter part of ' 67 we had these helicopters that had

special jobs they did and we had three of them and they were special because we put they put larger engines in them and we had electronic equipment mounted in them that did certain things which was but it it really hurt the enemy what we were doing it took them about two months figure out what we were doing and they took out all three helicopters in 10 days and I was in one of those and we were coming into the PLU City to

land and as we if in Vietnam because of the heat a helicopter can't just lift off and land unless it's in a higher elevation because the air is too warm so at PLU City you would take off like a plane you start moving down the runway and lift off the same with Landing so we were Landing this one day coming off a mission and uh they said they call our number and yell break right break right

and we rolled over to the right and this big bomber came in all shot up so we had to wait till they cleared the runway so we went out over the trees just outside the runway and we're hovering there cuz it was cooler so because it was cool we had the front doors open and I was sitting on the open side to the outside with my feet on the SK I was just being cool in both both ways cool sitting there and

cool from the air and uh we got hit right in the belly with an RPG and it blew the helicopter up it fireballed and I woke up on the ground um Jesus basically I got blown out fell probably a little over 100 feet the trees and like he survived I landed in in the sitting position you know just bang with my legs out sat my I could see my rifle in front of

me it was Dusk and the Ford Observer who saw that happen radioed back that uh uh he didn't think there were any survivors he said nobody could have survived that cuz it fireballed but since we had all the doors open everybody was blown out of the helicopter nobody died but people were really messed up that's a a miracle that you survive well I tried to reach for my gun and the pain

made me pass out because I had compression fractures from my jaw to my butt ah your spine must have been just completely messed up oh it was and and your nerves as a result of that so I I couldn't get to my gun so I I found a big rock and I pulled my boot knife out rolled under a bush and lay there all night and you could hear people in the brush poking around so I think it was uh VC or somebody looking for us VC Viet

Kong yeah so the next morning they found me and took me to the mass unit put me in traction and they uh put these screws in my skull and hung wire with springs with these heavy sandbags and I was on this cot and I was like that for maybe not quite two weeks and when when you're stretched out like that you become very relaxed it takes a lot of the pain away but then

they came in one morning and the nurse said you're going to we're going to have to get you out of here because we have a a lot of people coming in we need the room so they took me out of traction and I'll tell you the one thing you never want to experience yeah is when your spine's been stretched for like 10 days or so and then you swing your feet off the cot and stand up everything goes back into place you don't want to know what that's supp oh God man so I said I'm I'm still

hurting and they said here they hand me a jar about the size of this cup full of perco setes they said walk it off so I took the perets and went back to the unit Jesus man and I walked it off and did you and you eventually recovered or did did did that I didn't recover completely but I recovered to the point I could deal with it that's a true Miracle do you think that that experience uh that sort of trauma as a result of that actually enhanced or

affected your psychic ability in any way no it what want enhance my ability I would hear things feel things and I would just react to them without actually thinking about it um I'm looking for an example I was in a place called uh two bits which was a fire base and we got hit really hard one night and they said your job while you're here is if we come under attack

you go to the SEO the combat tactical Operation Center and go inside the bunker and run the radios being control of the radios so when we were attacked I took off went to the bunker and I took I was going down the steps into the bunker and I heard somebody yell freeze so I stopped and I looked around and the whole bunker disappeared just vaporized some guy got in there with uh

probably a backpack of plastique and blew it up so everybody in the bunker was either killed or wounded Jesus and I woke up 40 fet away face down in the mud with a battle going on and found a hole and crawled into it and uh stayed in the hole hoping nobody got in a hole with me for the rest of the night and when Dawn came they broke contact and left and so I uh got tagged for the I had flakes of

metal in me and I got tagged for going back to the mass unit and having the metal taken out but that's the kind of thing you you hear things you will stop like when you're in the jungle you just stop because something tells you not to go any further and when that happens I I just go to ground I just drop and hide well you seem more tapped into that later than than anybody and uh thank you for your service cuz I

think you're known for your service in the psychic context more than you're you know the fact that you're a combat veteran but clearly you've gone through a lot of pretty intense stuff I spent uh well 13 years for sure overseas and if you count temporary Duty probably a little longer than that at what point does the CIA become interested in psychic spying and how do you get roped into all well in 1972 uh Russell tar and uh Hal put off

Dr Hal put off uh wrote an article that I think it was called nature magazine then they wrote a book called Mind reach and that got some notoriety and uh so they met this guy he was a uh police commissioner and he was an older man he's retired and he made a claim that he could do psychic things so they tested him and he could so they had him do a remote what they called remote viewing back there I don't think it was called

that it was called uh project scan eight or something at the beginning so they brought him in and one of the targets he did he actually blew target but he got something else when he did it um the target was an old cabin in the woods and it belonged to uh a SE CIA man who was observing all this he he brought the Target in uh because you got to be completely blind so how put off

didn't know what starget was Russell tar didn't know and neither did Pat price only the CIA guy who brought it in and he was not present during the viewing so what pep price did is instead of describing this old Cabin in the Woods he described a clandestine site which happened to be fairly close to the cabin but over here and when he described that they were surprised and they asked him to tell

them about the inside and he started talking about this is a clandestin site there's a safes in here five five door safes and they said look in one of the safes and tell us what's in there so he named he named the project names of like three or four safes I safe files within the top door of the safe it turns out all that was true wow and when they found out the CIA went whoa you know this is really

fascinating so they came and they tested him on a couple sites in Russia uh areas in Russia which we knew existed but could not get into and he not only reported on them with accuracy he talked about machinery and stuff there like a big Tower and these things they call gors these giant slices out of a giant steel container that that sort of thing and uh

they were obviously testing uh controlled uh nuclear reactions inside these steel spheres to power lasers stuff like that if I'm putting my skeptic hat on MH you know somebody from the audience is hearing this and they're saying you can get inside safes and you can draw sensitive you know Soviet sites what is protecting our Q codes right now right nothing

really so so so basically anybody engaging in psychic spying or remote viewing can access the nuclear codes yeah except that it's probably one in 2,000 people would have to be interested trained for a lot of years to get to that level and then you'd have to have a natural capacity for it and most don't and but that doesn't mean it can't be used for intelligence purposes I can take someone instruct them on uh how to

do remote viewing and uh give them a Target that I don't even know what it is it'll be in a sealed envelope and they'll tell me stuff about it that's that's valuable you did this with me and a friend yeah and my friend got it right and it freaked us all out so I did I did a program in Japan where I had a fourth grade class in uh in the northern Island kaido and I had a fourth grade class

down in uh kushu and I was in Tokyo and we put a row of fast machines in and I had a sealed envelope which nobody knew it was in it under a red cloth on a Podium and what what I did is I train the two classes of kids in like 10 minutes on how to do a remote viewing and then we had them do the remote viewing and draw the first thing that came in their mind and they faxed it in and we posted all those returns so we

had 70 pictures on the wall seven or eight of them at the bottom were just lines just straight lines just a mix a massive straight lines everything above it almost 70 pictures were uh Stars everywhere you could draw a star five-pointed star star David asri stars six-pointed star I mean every way you could possibly draw a star these kids did that and there were a multitude of different stars that were

alike wow and we pinned them all up on the board and then after they all had facted something in uh we went to a commercial break when we came back I pulled the f folder out the the yellow folder out from under the red cloth cut the end off and pulled the target out and showed it to the kids on the television and uh we had cameras in both school school rooms what the target was was a small aquarium with the starfish stuff wow do you have this the kids went

crazy and this is televised yeah that's amazing 31 million people can we get the footage uh I don't have I don't well maybe I do I'm sending all that stuff to Rice University very cool the the archives The Impossible yeah that's amazing yeah and after 10 minutes of training yeah and 400 people in the audience pull out their handkerchiefs they were all so emotionally taken by that they were unbelievable do do you think kids have a a kind of uh

preternatural ability to do this no they just don't know they can't uh well there that's that's it yeah they they spoiled by their train all their lives yeah Re remote people what people need to understand remote viewing is not about learning anything new it's about unlearning all the bad habits that we make about leaping to conclusions making assumptions on very little information well you've given me all sorts of interesting information across the years I remember when I was asking you how do

you do this you said something super interesting you were like I tell my ego to run away yeah I give my ego something to do yeah if I can't get my ego out of it I'll put my notebook in my pocket and go out and cut grass and so that's fascinating and that somehow allows you to be a better receptacle for yeah yeah you got to get your ego out of it and then the other interesting thing that you've said and this is a little better known is that you have to separate the transmission or download from the

analysis yeah well actually you need to analyze it but you don't up anal it you down analyze it what does thatan for instance your subconscious has no language the information probably comes out of the subconscious so since it has no language of its own it borrows from your memory so let's say the target is a uh sewage plant few people have ever seen a sewage

proc processing plant but it looks somewhat similar to an Olympic swimming pool right so you're subconscious will give you the image of the last swimming pool you saw and the thing you don't want to do is you want you don't want to come to the conclusion based on that that it's an Olympic swimming pool that would be a mistake what you do is you tear it apart why did I get the image of the swimming pool what about that is real and what about that is not and so

you do things you ask yourself questions about that that entire thing that you just just got things like would I swim in it oh God no why not well taste it and find out so you're asking kind of like behavioral proxy questions or something right and you break it down into the base elements oh that's fascinating without deciding what it is so you would say uh a uh sewage processing plant you

would say things like round pool uh some kind of fluid uh stuff floating in the flu fluid spinning something spinning in there a chemical it's breaking down a bad smell it's almost like you have this multi-dimensional database in your head and you have these connections between sewage swimming pool and you have to actually sever those connections and just go directly at the Target through these other kind of beh break it down through analysis by asking your mind

what feels good what doesn't feel good about the image and and you can tear it down to pieces now if you learn to do that the first thing you want to do is a sketch and the reason you do a sketch is it comes out of a different area of your mind sketches are like gals they uh let's say it's a bridge if you try to sketch a bridge you may not know it's a bridge but you'll do a sweep

you put something on both ends and you put a repeating pattern like X's all connected together that's the grid work underneath the bridge okay you won't you won't draw what you see but you'll draw the parts or pieces that make you want to say something as soon as you do that you you don't come to a conclusion you retaste the Target and you put down something that you have down analyzed so by the time an an gets it it

doesn't look like anything specific but the analyst you have to remember is working on a problem and he has collected all the data that's possible he or she and so they're sitting at a desk they know everything about the target except the answer they're looking for they get your material and it's it guides them to an area that they may look at a different way and they'll just go wow that's it the answer but the answer is not

displayed it's just referenced in a way so the other parts of it are when you're doing when you're learning to do this you have a monitor somebody who can guide you that they act as your left brain because you want to be totally in the right brain when you're doing this and I'm saying that not as a reality but as a function because in reality right left brain does not reside in right and

left side of the hemispheres it's actually in both in both hemisphere it's a way of thinking right brain is uh super esoteric kind yeah intuitive all that sort of thing left brain is analytic it's where you would make a conclusion but you have to be very careful about that so the person who doing the left brain thinking as the monitor so let's say the remote viewer is getting something and they write something in

that left brain monitor can say I can't read that print it you print it that makes it clear so they're operating to ensure that whatever is represented is good enough that it says something can be analyzed yeah can be analyzed so so this whole process and what we found over time is for some reason when someone Nails the target it sometimes is because the analyst or not

the analyst the monitor has asked exactly the right question to elicit the right answer so in reality both are being psychic one knows it's being psychic the other person doesn't oh that's fascinating because people think of the analyst as kind of this like full left brain thing but it actually takes intuition to know what question to ask there there's a couple examples of uh of experiments that were done by the Russians that they totally bought into because it worked three times perfectly

so they said this must be the way it works and so because of that it's how they ran their pyic unit uh when we got that material from them when perista came and we went over there and met them and got the whole box of material and brought it back what we discovered was the experiment was done perfectly everybody involved in the St in the experiment was completely blind okay but

at the very outset when they it was all done with Target mice uh at the very outset when they went to this place where they actually uh breed Target mice and control mice they all come from the same litter so this I went there and said we need you to randomly number 12 Target mice and 12 mice and the guy said okay and he used a

random number generator to do that he push a button it would give my number he'd shav the mouse tummy and put it on with a he'd uh tattoo it on the the mouse so he did that with 24 mice 1 through 24 some of them were controls he wrote them on the paper would they were control some were randomly selected Target mice so all the numbers were different they put them all in a cage in s them to the EUR Old Mountain 1,600 kmet away now as soon as you put all the mice in one cage you're competing for

sex and food so their anxiety goes up so the task for their their uh remote viewers so to speak their psychics was decide which are the target mice which are the control mice and only in the target mice raised their anxiety high enough to make them sick they did that they sent the mice to another lab that didn't know what was going on and they killed the mice analyzed the chemicals in their brain

and listed the mice from top to bottom most anxiety ridden to least anxiety ridden and drew a line between the top 12 and bottom 12 it was a perfect match all the bottom ones were controls all the top ones were Target mice wow they did that three times and outside of one Mouse Paar work perfectly wow all three times so they taught their psychics to Target American

Congressman uh Senators cabinet president do you know of any specifics there as far as yeah it didn't work it didn't work because the methodology didn't work and and what what was the Fatal wrong what was wrong with the experiment everything was done double blind do you tell me I will tell you the guy they told the sort the mice uh by virtue of the fact that he was sorting controls from Target mice he he

did that psychically to give them their answer at the end so he was the only psychic functioning person in the whole thing their psychics were not oh that's fascinating you understand yes your selection process can be all off I've used that experiment to give presentations that one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in America wow and I said the reason you come up with a drug every now and then that cost you over a billion dollars and 10 years to

manufacture and it fails is because you don't believe in psychic functioning right and somewhere in your process you have a psychic right and they're giving you exactly what you want want to see right so because you don't buy into it it doesn't work it cost you a ton of money well yeah you get into these because of that kind of epistemological tological Loops because if you have it's like whenever I put out anything around this subject you have get well James Randy you you you should win a million

dollars if you are able to prove this no you don't I can tell you about that too well yeah because I mean we're talking about it right now but if there is an effect inherently then there are experiment effects and there are Witness observ effect and so if anybody present comes in you know completely trying to be a skeptic it's going to affect the experiment itself yeah scci the scientific method involves a prioritize skepticism and so we're talking about kind of an epistemological Paradigm Shift not just a scientific Paradigm Shift except your perceptions are wrong

what do you mean I'm going to tell you why yeah because there are things from a scientific standpoint that when we tested them absolutely guarantee that a psychic function will not occur absolutely guarantee and you can test it a million times and it just will not work how do you how do you do that how do you turn off the psychic function the sun is above the Horizon on the Earth from where you're standing you're looking face into the sun you just did a four-fold reduction

in your psychic functioning interesting where you are on the planet at what time and what day has an effect why is that okay no I'm not finished yet okay okay there's things like that we know to be true what else well I'm not going to go into all of them because there's too many okay but if they list all those things and hand it to somebody and say if you're doing any three of these you will not function right okay and then somebody comes in the door and says we have a problem we have somebody being

tortured to death we need to know where they are you'll violate it all because of the intent intent overrides everything wow so what you're saying is correct but if the intent is an imperative you will override it all so so there are exceptions and you got to watch out for that because people who say no we did everything to block viewing they're wrong you can't block it completely well you're almost this is

you know kind of an extrapolation but it's almost implying that there's an intelligent on the other side aiding you because if your intent matters at all like why should it you know if if it's just this kind of mechanical deterministic scientific process why should your intent be able to override any of these conditions well it's intention attention to detail and expectation for outcome okay if you're the only one dealing with that it'll work if there's five people involved in

that experiment and none of them are focused on that it may fail because there is just too many possibilities for failure as a result because the intent is not just your intent it's everybody's intent that's involved in the experiment if it's a postgrad student being paid to act as a monitor he doesn't care what happens automatically any scientists coming into the room which is what you're talking about they don't care if it works or not

they get to publish to get famous for their publishing so whether they're successful or unsuccessful is immaterial because they're supposed to be indiffer to the outcome okay but in remote viewing if you have a scientist monitor all the people involved five or six people and you do a remote viewing and the intent is to Save a Life everybody's on board and'll work every single time fascinating yeah so there's a lot to

this that comes out in the science and the study of it if you don't know the science in detail it's so easy to fail screw up all those kinds of things with regard to the amazing Randy M the payoff was not a million dollar M it was an investment that would pay you eventually a million dollar over 30 years Jesus what kind of intent is that secondly he's the one who picks the target does

the job judging and tells you whether you're right or wrong so you could rig it i' never I'd never participate in experiment like that um I've been challenged so many times to do a live remote viewing double blind on camera in a in a prime time way in front of 25 million or more people that anybody else would shy away from that been successful every time well yeah you've done more televised remote than anybody in the history and

and what's interesting to me the most controlled example of that I ever did was for National Geographic in the San Francisco Bay Area they used three different film Crews so nobody was talking anybody else it was protected targets it was randomly selected I was completely blind Ed was completely blind the entire film crew in the room was completely blind and I absolutely nailed you get a feeling like she had to park

somewhere through a tunel or something or under an overpass like a walkway of some kind under an overpass open area in the center and there's some kind of a artwork some kind in the center but this artwork is very bizarre set in gravel Stone and when they put it on television they said but you can't tell much from one result they knew when they said that that I had probably 12,000 of those what

were the targets do you remember the Target that I did for them yeah it was the end of the dumb Barton Bridge wow in fact I did it the entire remote viewing was a minute 30 seconds and they I heard the director go and I said I guess that's too fast for national television and I said so what I'm going to do is I'll sit in the front seat you put a camera behind me and I'll tell you how to get to the Target wow which I did did you taught him yeah unbelievable yeah you clearly are not only precocious

yourself but you're amazing at at teaching others and if you understand it people unfortunately people in Stargate program that came after the six were terrified that they couldn't like do it blind so they got hints they I will tell you that um if it's not done completely blind and you don't

understand all those other things about the science in all probability it will fail more times than it will succeed if you truly participate and do it in agreement with the science that says don't do this do this or if you do this it'll fail if you pay attention to that you're going to be Sevenfold more probable of being successful that seems to be a through line in everything with quote unquote Paras pychology so R in life yeah if you

take a shortcut the thing doesn't really work exactly right and so we're talking about things that involve our perceptive abilities and our ability to kind of render the material world visually and and and memory-wise and our ability to do that is somehow super dependent on going through the right the proper process yeah and being instructed properly and not not circumventing that kind of inorganically there's perceptions about it like I give you a major perception that is like crazy

people say okay it's remote viewing can a blind person do it who's been blind for life I believe they're better than most yeah makes sense because they spend their whole lives imagining what the world outside their skull looks like they're they've been remote viewing longer than anybody well as the saying goes when one sense goes others get stronger get a lot stronger and if the mind is a sense then so the other thing that that I think is very strange is no matter what you do to demonstrate it it

always goes back to religion when somebody wants to evaluate it it's like if it doesn't fit the religious belief yes it's uh the work of the devil well I think somehow science has become religious it's become dogmatic oh it is very dogmatic and the Priestly cadel in this case just wears like lab coats the the origin story is basically natural selection and Darwin sort of this primitive progress deterministic but it's completely religious because there are all these these gaps in that story and Carl

Popper's famous you know uh philosophy of science guy used to call those materialist promisory notes because they're all these gaps and we would just on loan we would say you know we could fill in these gaps you know with these placeholders that actually don't make any sense and there are tons of anomalies so but I want to you mentioned James Randy yeah and you know he's this magician who would debunk a lot of this stuff but not and kind of a bad faith actor he actually had a uh contemporary named Ray Heyman who was know Ray you

know Rayman so University of Oregon and he came into studying the Stargate data very skeptically he's again a colleague of of James Randy's along with Jessica UT who's the president of the American personally too and also you hear her speak and she is just completely Beyond reproach as far as her Integrity she's probably one of the top five statisticians in the world 100% And she goes through all the Stargate data and she says not only is this replicable the

the P values which is you know basically the the um the probability that you would get this stuff off the chart way way more replicable than psychology for example which we all take pretty seriously and so I think it's it's important context for the eyes but let's back to the core chronology of Stargate itself so 1972 the CIA starts to get intrigued I've heard from Hal put off who's one of the you know founders of Stargate along with Russell tar that another guy named Ingo Swan uh who's this uh artist in New York City from a

monity Center in New York right to California yeah and he was he was eccentric he was a gay artist and uh the way put off speaks about it is that uh they put a thermister inside of a fad cage and then inosan was able to affect that with his mind is that is there something to that story we did uh five years of experiments to prove psychokinesis that's affecting something with the mind in five years and a whole

lot of millions of dollars we were never able to protect the target from outside effects so you can never say the person did it or a truck hitting a metal on route five uh wouldn't a faraday chamber do it no why not because there's a million things that can make it make it go up like with a strain gauge there's a million strain gauge events that will occur from a short at the bottom of An Elevator Shaft

a half a mile away so there's so many things in reality that will cause it to happen just because somebody walks in the room and they look and it happens doesn't mean they did it okay you got to be really careful about that we took we took but if if you're if you're blocking the electric field and the magnetic field what can get in there you can't do it you can't fully block that no we we put things in a small fairday cage we doubled it we floated the whole thing on

air yeah okay we we put it in a room that was concrete 30 in thick okay we grounded everything we did everything you can possibly do to isolate the target it was going off all night long when nobody was even there really so yeah so if you can't isolate the Target and we spent a huge amount of money trying to do that uhuh if you can never isolate the target how can you say it's a human doing it do you think ingos Swan was a good remote viewer oh he's an

excellent remote viewer okay I knew him really well we used to eat dinner together because we were both employed at the same place yeah absolutely and um what were some instances there's some famous stories I know about with you but any that come to mind of the early days you know great successes uh well I can't speak to his successes because he did everything in the lab and not in the wild so to speak you know where it's a real test do you want to tell your famous submarine story well

I can was not just me by the way it was another man named Harley Trent we both worked a submarine he's now he was a better viewer than I'll ever be you need to understand that well that's a lot coming from you it's high bar there were two people better than me than I will ever be uh so if you can imagine that who are the two Harley Trent Harley Trent and another guy that I can I promised him I'd never say his name in public okay he's a retired Colonel he going to make people more in that's too

bad um none survived anyway so um what one of the things that uh we had as a Target it was a building a really huge building you could put like the Mall of the Americas in Minneapolis inside that building and it wouldn't touch the walls of the ceiling what yeah and it was detached from water it had no relationship to the harbor and it was set off the harbor and it had guards

fences everything around it and they had railroad tracks going in carrying in tons of stuff and coming on empty and they couldn't buy a picture of the inside of that building they were offering I think $2 million at one time for one picture of the inside of the building couldn't get it it was bumped up from a number of different intelligence agencies to the National Security Council which is as high as you can go absolutely that's run by the Vice President it has representatives from all the other agencies there what year

was this that was uh 79 okay so latter part of 79 yeah that was like my third target that I ever worked on I don't know which one it was for Harley but we both worked on it simultaneously we just didn't know each one of us was doing that um what I got was a really unique submarine because it they were violating one of the major loss of submarines they were putting two submarines together and

said it looked like two giant Seas coming together and they were using a whole new kind of welding methodology which were high intensity lasers they were welding with a certain protocol and uh the hull was done in a way that I can't go into but it was different and I said it were 20 20 tubes but they were all slanted which was the first submarine ever built with slanted tubes up until then the Soviet Navy would have

to stop to launch which made him a Target so they they slanted the tubes so it could be launching while it was moving every rocket on board was a my five which meant it had five guidable Warheads so when it reached Apex the WarHeads could detach and go to different cities every Warhead was like Megaton Hiroshima was less than one Megaton so can imagine the damage it

would do so these are hydrogen bombs it could sit yes it could it could park 100 miles off America's coast and eradicate Us in 18 minutes there'd be nothing we could do and that's really the front line of nuclear war that was the most astounding weapon system ever built okay and it was the TK 089 which was the prototype for that kind of Submarine it had many of the attributes that came out in Hunt for Red October 7 years later

the uh Secretary of Defense okay he sent it back note on top total fantasy because they didn't think that submarine could exist and and well it wasn't even connected to water so how could it right and so he sent it back and it had been taken to the National Security Council by another Admiral by the name of uh Jake Stewart and I knew Jak really well and when he brought it back he said uh he was sitting with me in a room and he

said uh this really upsets you doesn't it and I said no I don't care he said no you care cuz there's a red line going up your neck you're really pissed so I said no no I said uh he says what do you want me to do and I said take it back and he goes okay and he stood up and I said wait I put a paper on top and I said we'll be launched in 112 days Jay so on the way he stopped at the national reconsent office because he

knew that usually I'm not wrong especially when I'm pissed so he arranged for 114 days out to have pictures taken of the harbor where it would have to be at the same time I attached another note somebody asked me how big is this submarine because I was saying this is really a huge submarine and my answer to that was it's 30 ft shy the length of a Soviet aircraft carrier oh my God it's a

monster okay how big is that for the audience scale-wise I don't know about link that's why I had to say 30 ft shy length of the Soviet aircraft carrier if you can imagine something launches Jets y matched with a submarine massive I said it was between 60 and I think 60 feet and something else across mhm which is very wide yep okay so he arranged to have overhead take

pictures 114 days out when the pictures were taken it was the side of the building was gone trench cut to the harbor and the submarine was tied up to the side of a Soviet aircraft carrier to block view of it from the entry to the harbor and this is north of the the Arctic Circle so the harbor was frozen a long time usually every year so they had these two giant ice breakers sitting there they had broken up all the ice in

the harbor and it was sitting tied up to the the aircraft carrier and and it actually is 33 ft shy the length of the Soviet aircraft car so I miss it by 3 feet all the bay doors were open so we collected more intelligence in 4 days on that one submarine than the entire Soviet subpass in history that's remarkable it then disappeared no one ever saw it again and they made eight more and no nobody ever knew about the eight but you can assume based on the

data we were able to collect we defeated their weapon system because now we could identify it easily in the water put a hunter killer on it and track it everywhere it went that's a miracle yeah kind of like possibly Global cataclysm saving yeah right intelligence that you provided that's primarily why I got the legion Merit that's amazing did Robert Baker ever come back say Hey Joe I'm sorry I embarrassed him badly with it and I embarrassed him three more times

that I'm aware of yeah what's another examp he won't be in the room with me really yeah if he comes in a room like the Congressional cafeteria or something and I see him I will stand up and go hey Bobby how's it going budddy and I put my hand out out the Doras any other examples you could talk about I can't talk about the other examples okay but that that's the kind of successes we were having uh Harley Trent shared in that but he died unfortunately relatively soon after that

um can I add one more story to just the Carter years sure Rosemary Smith is a psychic um and I think a tu22 Russian Russian bear bomber bear bomber had uh basically dropped lower than the treetop it it had been downed uh in in Africa all of Africa was given as the target to this psychic spy named Rosemary Smith in California and she draws a three square mile little circle right in zier and it's basically where

they find the tu22 there were three psychics yeah they all Drew circles they were all in three different cities when they did it that's amazing all the same really when they brought the maps together all three circles interlocked so w and and Jimmy Carter says that was the craziest thing I've ever experienced president he he was holding our file in his arm when he said it it was a green file with a red stripe it said uh it's said Grill flame on it m and one of the

reporter he was saying we found the Russian plane we've returned everything on it to the Russians what was important about us it was carrying two City nukes everybody was looking for it especially every terrorist organization in the world nobody could find it because it disappeared over the Congo supposedly Harley Trent in fact said it was parked on a road right there in the in the area of zier nobody could understand that what

he was saying the whole time roads in the Congo and in zire are rivers there are no Road roads right all roads in central Africa are rivers and that's what he was saying the whole time he didn't know he was saying that needed some more down analysis but that actually happened and when he said that our cover name changed we got moved around the office changed everything

changed because the president basically outed us on National Television right that turned on remember Anderson the guy who would write articles on it everything no who's Anderson he was in uh I can't remember it was the Washington Post or uh I think it was the Washington Post he he started to cover the psych he started covering hunting for information on the psychic buying program interesting and he he would pick up little tidbits and put out articles on it but um it it made it more difficult

remember that they were going to produce another 30,000 miles of railroad tracks they were going to have hundreds of cargo cars railroad cars they would all be identical right down to the serial numbers on the locks only one in 20 would have an actual launcher in it with ICBM and once a week they'd shift them all around so no one would ever know where the actual launchers were and that would make Mutual share

destruction more important it's kind of like a shell game yeah like a shell game it's based on the old Shell game with much higher Stakes the name of the game MX its object to hide our newest icbms from the enemy ensuring their survivability the enemy will know where a missile could be just as we know where the P could be but not where it is for sure instead of three shells each MX missile will be hidden in any one of 23

protective shelters and what we did is we notified we we wrote a white paper it's called a white paper one paragraph We sent it to the Situation Room in the White House and said won't work why not because we can tell you where it is time they actually tested that for a year and they had an actual live n in possible storage areas for it and once a week they moved it and every time they moved it we told them where it

was as a result they cancelled the MX missile program which ticked the Air Force off mightily because they were put in charge of it it was a hundred billion doll project oh my God we saved the government a100 billion do and I have a letter in my file I know Dr May has one in his from Senator Cohen Thanking us for saving a $100 billion also remarkable but would the Soviets have figured it out given that they had sort

of some core deficiencies in their own psychic spy program maybe maybe not right they still could have figured it out even with the flaw yeah I mean it's it's like who knows and and that's one of the problems because I I got brought into the project in October of 78 by July of 79 we knew there was no defense against remote fuing so for the next 20 something years and millions and millions of dollars we try to develop a defense against it

there still is no defense against remote fing it fails on its own enough I mean 40% of the time it just doesn't work but all intelligence modalities fail exactly so it's not inferior to other ones and when I hear that the program was sunsetted because it only works six % of the time that makes no sense and as well as the rationale that there's no defense against it but if it's offensively useful why would you use it especially

if it's stopping you know mutually assured destruction as it has at least 160 times probably more because that was early on in theam my my area of expertise was ICBM sites okay big large areas where Rockets were in the ground wow and but you could see the shielding over them so that was easy to see with overhead pictures when I hear stuff like that there H there has to be a program now if that's what the pictures were perfect and I even asked some once why am I remote viewing something you can

take perfect pictures of and they said here's the thing you draw the whole place so when we take a picture we can only get the surface we match the surface against your drawing and if you're 80% correct we can assume you're 80% correct about what's under the ground and we can retarget those areas with different technology wow to prove it wow so that's the value of remote viewing it can be used a million different ways but if if if the

incremental value is understanding on a more granular level what stock piles are underground how would that ever get sunsetted and taken out of government I it got sunsetted because a vast majority of senators and congressmen caught dead standing next to a REM viewing psychic would never get reelected because it was used as a weapon against them in the reelection I think if if I'm the

government and I'm hearing these things I would immediately put a boatload of money towards remote I'm just telling you I'm telling you the reality because of a stigma here's the thing we were basically super supported by five presidents we were super supported by by senators and congressmen who could not be hurt like Senator Cohen uh Senator John Glenn uh these Senators had been in

in Congress so long and were so powerful they're up here and they could say yeah I use those guys and nobody could say that's crazy to them they'd still get reelected at the very bottom agents in the field who came and asked for help hundreds of lives we saved there they they knew us intimately they loved us because of what the data was that we could give them as early

warning they they really needed us it's the bureaucrats in the middle okay yeah who are afraid for their job afraid to get reelected and the guys in the middle are the guys who have to justify and WR up why you need so many tanks yeah and why you have to spend the money on it and people are going starting to ask well if you can just walk in and pl a charge and blow something up why do you need the tank if remote viewing

tells you where to put the explosive it's always the middling bureaucrats that have the most perverse incentives and there's this thing you know concept B malls cost disease where exact the objective of a bureaucracy is just to extend the bureaucracy and it's not to do anything more efficiently actually that's that's the opposite the other part of it it's even worse it's the bureaucrat politician in the middle that actually starts the war that's right okay has no skin in The Game and his

kids and family will never be affected by it to what's wrong with that picture Doctor Strange Love yeah dur during the Vietnam War I was I was brought TDY temporary duty to the Pentagon because demonstrators were throwing balloons full of blood and stuff on Military going in and out of the front entry of the the uh Pentagon my job was to capture some kid that was throwing stuff bring him in

fingerprint them tell them what was going to happen to them and then release them scare them into not doing it anymore I didn't do that I CRA i' grab up three or four and I'd cuff them together in a string and i' take him under the bridge where nobody could see and I know they thought I'm going to be beaten up down here i' take him down and i' say Don't Panic I'm not going to do anything to hurt you you need to understand this we don't start wars in Pentagon we're forced to finish them you

want to stop this war go to the other end of the mall and hit the guys in the suits with the balloons and then I'd release them and they run away well what I for got is they got cameras all over the front of the Pentagon so they'd see me taking these kids under there and then them running away so my 3mon TDY was cut to two weeks and I was sent to Europe wow okay I didn't I I you know I can understand why they didn't want to

go to Vietnam yeah it wasn't righteous no when I was there I could tell you it wasn't righteous yeah U well you have all I mean that just look at the Pentagon papers and you look at how cynical the discussions around the Vietnam War were at the highest levels in the Pentagon and and Oval Office and and I have seen two letters and I did a my last college course to get my degree was uh on the politics of the Vietnam War at the end and I saw a letter from

Kissinger to President Nixon saying I'm not going back over there to negotiate for any more prisoners because I I hate those brown people I don't like their food I don't like their smell I don't want to be there anymore and Nixon said to him you don't have to because anybody in LA or Cambodia we said should never be there in the first place so we don't have to worry about them so all the enlisted captured in Vietnam were all

taken to Tiger cages in Laos and Cambodia they all died there because they were written off it's horrible it's horrific and uh yeah Kissinger was kind of the ultimate I don't know cynic he felt was like the world was his sandbox right and he St he actually studied at at Harvard under Tom shelling and Tom shelling and a bunch of his you know uh uh classmates there all like tried to do an intervention at the White House and they're like what are you doing man like

what's got what's gotten into you um I think the whole thing the whole you know there's based on this like domino theory this you know which was I think a misreading of George kennan's Long Telegram at the end of the sacramental war you know hoi men fought for us against Japanese through the whole War his Viet men did that his Viet men and he were never communist they they were okay when the war ended oh they did that by the way because John Donovan

delivered a very rare butterfly collection to him at parach shooting in with a taped to his chest he started the or was the main Pro genitor of the OSS time Wild Bill Donovan yeah Wild Bill Donovan yeah he talked o men into fighting for us and so the Vietnamese fought for us during the whole War at the end of the war hoim men sent an impassion letter to our president and what he said in the letter is here's a

copy of our uh our national Constitution it was identical to ours he had quotes and direct quotes from Jefferson I mean it was it was exactly they were totally allied with us yes against it was against the French all he wanted was please do not allow the French to come back to claim their Indochina plantations yeah okay the French on the other hand said oh you're starting NATO well we're not going to be a member

unless you support us in our quest to go back to Indochina so the president made a decision NATO was more important than Vietnam yeah there you go and and and I I think hoian felt like Wild Bill Donovan had saved him he did yeah and he felt a real collegiality there and um and then yeah things just took a took a weird turn in it just and I think that was maybe one of the primary reasons why the CIA then went into South Vietnam and

tried to consolidate Vietnam into their version of a single country which you can't do you cannot enter a foreign country and try to run it it never works it also be yeah the nation building thing doesn't work and it begets a misunderstanding of history or belies rather you know with Vietnam Afghanistan you have certain territories that whether it's China Visa you know Vietnam or the Russians and British V Afghanistan you're not going

to win you go in Afghanistan will never capitulate anybody the am the amount of dialects how tough the people are the the nooks and crannies they know how to hide in that you're not familiar with you're just screwed at the outside doesn't matter how how much Manpower what resources you have and so there's a there's a guy that lives just cross the border in Pakistan lives in a mud hut he's got a big uh a big big point of uh

granite rock sticking up out of his floor he makes AKs out of old pieces of aircraft wow he hammers it out with a open fire on that granite rock what and they work now they're not very accurate but they never jam and they work if you can back a truck over them they'll still work well that says it all that says it all right there yeah yeah that's true absolutely it's remarkable so I want to get into some weirder stuff because you I mean you've made headlines

for remote viewing Mars for example yeah a million years DOD Target by the way there so explain the context well how is that a DOD Target well one one of the things that they found out is that I was having spontaneous out of bodies since my near death experience in 1970 I've had multiple near-death experiences but that was that one was really profound was this fly falling out of the helicopter no this was uh being poisoned being poisoned yeah I

was delivered DOA to a clinic in pasel Germany from Austria and uh I had not had a heartbeat for almost 40 minutes what now I'm not going to tell you that my heart wasn't beating for 40 minutes it could have been beating once every five minutes but it was enough to keep me alive okay oh my uh when I got to the clinic the uh doctor there uh saved my life basically I got transfusions a whole bunch of stuff but

I was com to for 20 something hours and I suddenly sat up I became conscious and I sat up and the German patient in the room with me looked at me and ran out of the room he he went out like a scaled duck I was looked at him I said God's way light you can't die so chill and out the door I found out later when I looked at him he he said God's a white light God is a white light wow you can't die and and he looked at me and freaked ran

out of the door later he said when I looked at him my eyes had turned crystal blue and I had fire coming out of them no way yeah that's what he said so the doctor came in and I said to the I turned to the doctor and I smiled and I said oh I'm still here you know God so I like you can't die well he sated me I went back to sleep on the way driveing into Munich they told me to mut Munich Germany put me in a rest home that's

when they told my wife my first wife that I was still alive for for almost a week she thought I was dead oh Jesus yeah do you remember I mean you're coming out of this experience saying God is a white light can't die yeah uh do you remember that as being sort of a convers experience did he feel a sense of divine cont it was so profound I just can't tell you I when when it happened I I was eating getting ready to eat a dinner with my wife who they had brought to meet me we're going to stay a week in

in this guest house then she was going back to quarters and I was going back to work I can't tell you what I was doing but I was going back to work and the guy that brought her was my uh friend that worked for me so he brought her there he was going to leave and we talked him into staying and having dinner with us and then he was going to leave and we were going to stay there a couple days well we had before dinner drinks when I drank part of the drink I started getting feeling like I was going

to projectile vomit oh no so I didn't want to be in the restaurant doing it so I said excuse me and I headed for the door and I was in a rush when I hit the door it was a swinging glass door when I hit it with my hand it was like somebody snapped their fingers and I was standing outside on a cobblestone road with my hands out like this and it was raining it was a soft like one of those soft summer rains you know and the rain was going through my palms and I went what the hell and I

looked up and there's this figure half in and half out of the door so I drifted over there and as I was that should have been a giveaway by the way I drifted over there and as I was going over my friend came out pulled me up in his lap back then there was no such thing as CPR so he started punching me in the chair and yelling at me breathe you know and every time he hit me in the chest I was in my body in

excruciating pain looking up at his face and I was trying to say stop and about the time I get the stop out I'd be back standing on the cobblestone watching this happened like four or five times and then I stayed out and I watched and he got up my wife dropped to the pavement with me and then he showed up with my car and put me fireman's carry into the back seat it was a little bug a

Volkswagen Bug and they took off and I was like whoa wait a minute so I'm like zipping along beside the car back to then they had to go through two checkpoints Austria to Germany which meant running the checkpoint which they did and uh drove a little ways then went out and then back in again because they had to get to this city called peso which is down in the southern tip of area and uh he got me to a clinic and

when they got there it was just getting dark just getting dark meant it was around 7:50 8:00 he picked me out of the car fireman's carry he's a huge guy and he carried me to the door of the clinic and it was locked and I'm I'm standing there watching all this and I'm like well that's weird why would they lock the door maybe I'm dreaming and he started kicking the glass door and the inner door open and the doctor came out with

the keys what I didn't know is in at 8:00 they lock all the doors so you go to an emergency room or clinic you get in by ringing a bell well he had me in a fireman's carry so he's kicking the door with his foot when the doctor came out he was in a wheelchair I went oh man it's getting better every minute why would a doctor be in a wheelchair yeah well it turns out he was partially retired and that's how he made extra money he fill in with a nurse at the

clinic so I watched him Carry Me In he dumped me on this table in the emergency area Big Bright Lights overhead and they started cutting my clothing off and sticking tubes in me and whatnot and I got bored I started drifting away from the table and I felt heat on the back of my neck and I thought this must be the light one of the bright lights I'm bumping up against and when I turned around to look I was enveloped in this

extremely intense White light it's like perfect did he feel love oh nothing but and I I had no fear everything went away in terms of threat so I'm floating in this white light and I could see perfectly you I thought at first you know this is really bright but it didn't hurt my eyes and I thought oh this is this is it this is like you know where I want to be

and this voice in my head said you can't stay you have to go back and I started looking for something to hold on to I didn't want to want to leave and that's when I second snap of the fingers and I sat up and looked at the German patient and told him that wow so it it was very profound I I stopped carrying a gun nobody would work with me why because they thought if they got in trouble I couldn't do anything

and did it turned you more into a pacifist or something no not pacifist there are something you know I took martial arts from age 14 to couple years ago few years ago and so I you know I don't need a gun I can defend myself pretty well and you know unless they have a gun you but if they have a gun your chances of Defending yourself are minimal anyway

anyway I just stopped didn't want to anybody it turns out since nobody would work with me I had to work alone and working alone everybody was terrified at that I didn't care because dying is so what so that's just changed your outlook wholesale since then about life death and you can't cease to exist so what are you worried about and it sounds like n existence at least in your case seemed

pretty loving and gentle well the the other problem involved here mhm is the fact that uh you become extremely depressed at being here really not there oh yeah and and that happened with you yeah I was for six months I thought of probably 15 ways of taking my life really yeah isn't it comforting though oh it's very com that's always kind of the backdrop like that's not how you

think about it you think about I'm stuck in this primitive Backwoods back alley back yeah you know regressive yeah regressive place where nobody understands yeah so you don't want to be here anymore and so one night um I'm asleep and I was awake in the middle Night by an entity that snatched me out of my body and speed slap the crap out of me really but with words what what did it say what he what

the entity was saying and I couldn't tell it was male female or what it was it was saying what are you that stupid you know you you know what's going to happen when you do eventually die wh why aren't you like enjoying this place using this place teaching people in this place seems like a pretty good entity giving you some tough love he was trying to get me to wake up do you any visual on the entity or it just felt like a voice unbodied voice yeah and and me

trying to argue and getting slapped down for it wow and what so when I woke up that morning I was like totally different wow it was like oh yeah okay I don't care anymore yeah so everywhere I went I did my job best I could I did my job usually alone mhm until I met this Colonel who said when they consolidated all the intelligence people into the one place um in alburg Germany it was a

30,000 ft building I met this one Colonel and he said I need somebody who really understands physical security and I said I'm your guy and he said um I'm going to send you to this place and I want you to test it so I was matched up with another guy um and he and I I'm not going to say his name because I don't think it's fair without asking him but he and I broke in to this 30,000 C

facility and what was the facility I was it's a Consolidated intelligence place it had German equivalent to the CIA French equivalent CIA British equivalent to the CIA our CIA Army Navy Air Force everybody was in this building in Europe it was really a Consolidated headquarters it's like a un of intelligence yeah kind of like that you say what country it was in it was in Germany it was ing Germany ah so I was

there uh we broke in I was the the detractor I was the guy who got caught going over the fence what they didn't know is while they were capturing me he was going over the other fence okay so I got hauled in the MPS are very unrelenting when they capture somebody like that because um I had to wait for exactly an hour watching a clock on the wall while they were

trying to get me to tell them who I was where I was from what I was doing and I just resisted until that time and at that time I identified myself and said bring your commander in here cuz you guys have been screwing up big time but why were you assigned to this in the first place Tes in the security of the building so red teaming yeah yeah so testing vulnerabilities to strength so the guy came in and he realized who I was and he was very upset because he got written up because that's when I told

him my partner's been in your building for over an hour and he planted these cards clipon cards said bomb all over the building and they didn't stop him they didn't question him they didn't do anything he was going in and out of places and he was wearing somebody else's badge he took off their Jesus so the security was obviously lack for a facility housing that's when we got moved in there and we were physical

security for the building from then on okay and there were a lot of weaknesses and we toughened it up and we found out there were three people going in and out with fake badges wow and I I mean it was it was terrible and but this Commander kept getting RI written up and so he really didn't like me much and so I spent a long time overseas working in these things so when I

finally came back the G General ordered me back to the headquarters and i' had always said no I'm not going back to headquarters that's a bunch of paper pushers I've been doing a real job overseas all this time so I I called this friend of mine in the Pentagon and I said can you get reassigned he said let me check and he came back and he said man you're in trouble you going to the headquarters and I said no I don't want to go to the

headquarters give me something else I don't care what it is he said I can't this is like a three star he's saying you're coming to my headquarters and I don't have any choice here so I said what's my aat and dlat scores that's your scores for competence with a language oh you Max those I said oh that's great so now I'm qualified for any language on the planet so I said what's the highest language need in US

Army he's a Chinese Mandarin I I okay I want to learn to read it write it speak it holy cow man that's two years at Monteray and Mersed and I said I'll take it so he cut me orders monter is the like CIA language school right it's not just CIA it's all the military everybody in the government needs to speak a language fluently yep it's two years and two months there from Mandarin to read it write it speak it and the day you

start you can no longer use English that's how you learn it so I got there on a Saturday I was unpacking my bags and the orderly came in and said there's some General on the phone want's talk to you okay so I went down to the orderly room and I answered the phone and he said do you know who I am he told me his name I said no his name was General

headquarters and I said oh uh well uh the army decided they need me to speak Mandarin you will be in my office 9:00 Monday morning in full dress uniform and don't let the screen door hit you in the butt slam the phone down now that's on the phone receiver the orderly all across the room said that sound like an order to me you could hear it everywhere

and so I packed my bags and went to the Head course so when I got there they put me in the officer course which I couldn't understand cuz I was an E7 stting first class Monday morning I showed up in his office reported as I was supposed to at 9:00 in the morning and uh all these people came in the office and he said uh uh I'm going to make you a warrant officer I went wow

cuz I was always complaining cuz I could never get my warrant packet out the door well he made that decision so they pinned warrant bars on me and he said I'm putting you in charge of your military occupation especially for the world and I said I can't do the job and he said what and I said I can't do the job there's 28 Chief War officers that will be working for a war officer they're not going to do what I tell them

you know there's a year probation as a Warr officer he said he turned to his secretary he says can I promote him she said you can do anything you want General he said take those pins off he made me a chief warrant right there wow so he says um I can't I can't get them to do what you tell them that's up to you but you're in charge your desk is in the office above mine so that's where I was working when he found out that he had a think this

thing called Gondola wish starting at Fort me and he was nervous about it cuz he didn't understand it he he called it a hinky project so he said I want you to go to uh to uh Stanford Research Institute and find out all you can about it and then come back and brief me and that's when I went and did these six remote viewings interesting yeah so you were almost doing doing it on behalf of this

General yeah I was just collecting information you were collecting information and then you ended up actually a part of the program and then when I came back he said I went I went down to his office cuz my desk was empty yeah all my stuff was gone yeah I said what happened he said I'm GNA have to assign you to for meid for this project W and it's like oh please don't do that m Joe what happened on Mars a million years ago what did it look like set the scene for us

well going back to that uh DOD decided since I had spontaneous out of bodies that I should uh try to learn how to control them to see whether I could collect intelligence doing that too so they hired bom Monroe to help me with that because he's the guy Journeys out of the body guy so they actually paid him to train me so every Thursday night I would leave

right after I finished the remote viewings I would drive the down to the Institute here in this town and uh crash I get there about 11: and then early in the morning on Friday I would start working in the lab with Bob we work there Friday Saturday Sunday and I go to bed Sunday night and I get up at 4:00 a.m. or whatever and drive back to Fort me and do youing so I did that for a long time many

in my shirt pocket he they gave him a sealing envelope he fold over put in a shirt pocket and I have a card here with GPS locations so I'll read them to you and you tell me what's there so the first GPS location he read was a huge uh pyramid and I said this right away I said this must be a new discovery cuz it's huge it's way way bigger than the oneiza and it's got monster rooms inside which is not making any sense to me at

all that's okay just report on what you're seeing so I did that so I went through six of the seven targets and whatever was there I describ it and it turns out everything I described was there and I came out of there I couldn't do the seventh because I was exhausted so so I stopped and at the end I started getting an image of human beings that were trapped in a place

where the atmosphere was turning bad I couldn't figure that out so I said to Bob I said the sun looks really weird he said I don't care about the sun just tell me what's going on so I said uh evidently there's some kind of Calamity here so I started thinking maybe this is a future Target I didn't know uh but the whole time I thought I was on Earth and it was a new discovery and so I came out of there and I said it's obvious that these people

Andro has the Target in his pocket so I pull it out of my shirt pocket open it up it said Mars 1 Million BC which made me angry and I'll tell you why I hate doing a taret Target where I cannot prove ground truth because then I don't know if I'm if it's real or I'm inventing it it doesn't do me any good and I can't actually sit there and say this is

exactly 100% correct it's unfalsifiable yeah unfalsifiable but unprovable mhm so it made me angry so I said give me the card I took the card and the envelope put it in my shirt pocket I said the next time I'm at JPL Jeff propulsion lab in California I'm going to find out whe they have negatives of these these locations and get them and Bob said they'll never never give that to and I said they damn well better because we

locations on that card and he went oh this is the old city on Mars he turned around pull a drawer open and gave me a packet had all the negatives inside so they're in my book M Tri wow yeah so what do the negatives show it shows exactly what I describe it shows pyramids it shows a big pyramid it shows an Old Fort it shows a wall that's collapsed and yeah can I see them yeah I'll get a copy of my book downstairs

bring it up and show it to you I mean wow that's amazing that's not the coolest thing that's so cool though you're saying that you remote viewed a pyramid on Mars a million years ago and we found how did we how do we have imagery of that oh they're mapping Mars that but that's not the coolest thing so it's it's negative images of those locations now on Mars yeah and but you and you can see the're they're heavily worn they're just much damage to them but it's clear they're pyramids yeah

that like look like they were manmade yeah in fact why why did they look like they were man well I'll give you the reason why I know they're manmade okay there's an impact crater and on the side of the impact crater is a triangular piece of land yeah that obviously has been constructed there and in the center of that is a four-sided pyramid now here's the cool part you know the the place of the camera which is circling Mars you know exactly where it is when I

took that picture you know where the sun is in relationship so you know by the shadow you can compute the size of the impact crater and its sides by the Shadow with the sides MH the side shadow in this particular case was a quarter of an inch M that quarter of an inch represents about 3,000 ft so the impact crater walls are 3,000 ft high that four-sided pyramid on that little triangle piece of land on the

edge of the impact crater has got a Shadow 2 and2 in long now tell me how tall it is that's not a pyramid That's A Shard and it's thousands of feet tall and I actually asked the guy at JPL I went many times at JPL I said what the hell is that you know I don't know best guess is it grew there and I said you're out your mind if if it was an impact

crater that occurred after it was there it would have blown it away I think it was from an out was put there after the impact crater it was The Shard was put there after the impact by who so you tell right what exactly and what would the I'm even trying to think of like what the purpose of The Shard would be oh no that's fascinating do you have images of that yeah but here here's the thing this is awesome I went out of my

else okay before we look at the evidence that Joe has let's set the scene here on the possibilities of Life on Mars a question with a long history and numerous theories more than a hundred years ago American astronomer persal LEL suggested that certain features that were being observed on Mars were not natural back then in the late 19th century the idea that Mars had Seasons vegetation flowing water even large rivers was kind of popular we had to speculate because we had no way of

knowing otherwise a lot of this speculation was was fueled by dark areas and irregular looking patterns observed on Mars but LEL went as far as to claim that parts of these dark areas and patterns were purposefully built irrigation systems designed by a martian civilization these theories were contested well into the 20th century but the question of trees lakes and martians was eventually put to rest when the Mariner for space probe photographed the planet up close in 1965 these photos revealed an inactive

researchers believe that the face is just one part of a larger set of structures in this region that also demonstrate unnatural features perhaps even displaying specific design characteristics that suggest geometric patterns and intentional positioning like Stellar alignments they claim that Sedonia contains multiple pyramids basically the remnants of a city all eroded over Millennia these formations appear to be aligned in highly unlikely ways ways raising the question of whether their placement is entirely

they came from only natural processes to be clear I'm not at all denying that many of these features could just be explained by basic Mars geology but take this thought experiment if similar structures and patterns were imaged on Earth using modern techniques like liar mapping presuming they had man-made Origins wouldn't be so controversial at all so why does the same conversation seem totally off limits when it comes to Mars what if these structures are ancient what if they're Millions even billions of years old this raises

chapter in this story in 2001 the Mars Global surveyor captured an image that has only just made its way onto the mainstream causing a stir on X and gaining some high-profile attention the image shows a square structure with clear right angles possibly spanning several kilm per side the geometry suggests a high potential that this could be an engineered Str structure of course the square on Mars is being explained Away by Skeptics as a natural geological structure and it might be but the point really is that we don't know

moreover we've only imaged a tiny fraction of the Martian surface in significant detail and we've physically explored only very small portions through robotic envoys so we don't know what we don't know and yet despite this the idea that there could be artificial structures on Mars is given no Credence at all now here's the thing if you suggest that life could exist in some basic microscopic form on Mars even right now perhaps under the surface or in some particular unexplored Zone I think that even the professional skeptic

world when they claimed to have finally found definitive evidence of salty liquid water flowing on the surface of Mars in the summer months moving water has long been considered a crucial marker for the possibility of evolution to occur like it did on Earth another presumption was that life could not have survived on the surface of Mars because it's always lacked a global magnetic field or a magnetosphere however in the last couple of decades evidence has been gathered to suggest that Mars did have this protective layer and it was probably Stripped Away sometime in the

Clinton to make an official televised announcement on the possible discovery of Life on Mars today Rock 841 speaks to us across all those billions of years and millions of miles it speaks of the possibility of life so from this fascinating but Orthodox scientific Viewpoint we can look at numerous pieces of evidence even the evidence of what you see around you on Earth that if life is possible on Mars even today the likelihood that it could produce complex even technologically

capable life forms in the past should not really be that controversial especially when we consider how much more there is to find out about our most similar solar neighbor but on the other side of the spectrum of Orthodox theories and controversy there have been some more interesting claims for instance in 2020 H esed the head of Israel's space program for nearly 30 years and three-time recipient of the Israel security award made a shocking statement he claimed that the United States and other nations have had Direct

contact with a Galactic Federation some kind of Coalition of alien races that have interacted with us for years according to Eed these beings have instructed governments not to disclose knowledge of this to the rest of the population yet because they want to avoid Mass hysteria he went even further however suggesting that American astronauts are actually working alongside these extraterrestrials in an underground base on Mars now of course we can't confirm or deny this but those interested in ufology will know that

this isn't the first time that claims of meetings or secret treaties with extraterrestrials have surfaced something slightly more grounded is a theory suggested by researchers like Graham Hancock he states in the Mars my that there could be some connection between the symbolism of these eroded monoliths in a place like Sidonia and the ancient civilizations of Earth at this point who knows there are a lot of possibilities on the table even the question of what happened to Mars to create this seemingly lifeless place is full of fascinating theories over the

last decade or so Dr John brandenberg a plasma physicist in propulsion scientist has found evidence to support his hypothesis that planetary wide catastrophic events May have occurred on Mars his theory suggests that high concentrations of particular elements created only via rapid processes like in thermonuclear explosions may have been caused by a nuclear war on Mars perhaps a lesson for us here but also maybe the reason we are only able to see the remnants of our neighbors Lost

Civilization if it existed at all but here's something to ponder when our guest Joe mcmonagle was tasked with remote viewing Mars the coordinates and time period were chosen for him the full transcript of the session has been Declassified you can read it for yourself now you have to ask yourself was this just a random exercise or were those specific Geographic coordinates already known to be significant and who were the parties who requested the information that had provided the coordinates to the top remote viewer in the country it seems we will always have

and you got these from JPL yeah really come right off a a negative of Mars in the map series see these little buildings one there one there here's three in a row buildings yeah this is on Mars here's a building over here is it a picture from a Rover or is it a picture from a telescope or it's a picture from a mapping here's a CO a curly CU it's a from a mapping satellite that's a

satellite making maps of Mars wow that is a non natural Edge you don't get a 30 mile Edge like that W by Nature that's a she Cliff how long is that 30 mil 30 miles now I'll show you where it comes from ah here it is what up that's that edge that's a just a deep

Chasm that's a perfectly straight edge it comes out of right here here and goes straight as an arrow all the way across and then Fades into the ground there uh here's a cavern and it's got all this like wire stuff on on the top so that's a Subterranean Cavern it's a Subterranean Cavern you cannot see into it but it's very deep and there's wiring wiring here's the interesting part when we first caught this on Mars

it was a bright red light right here that's gone out since we caught it I actually have a photo of the light what what do you think bright red light what do you think the light was well that almost implies that there's something there now yeah let me show you something else so there there are people at JPL who definitively think there you go is that real that's real that's 3 feet long and that big around that's and it's got buttons on it and a rotating thing here that was taken on

Mars that's laying on Mars man and if you sent that to like a NASA photo instrumentation specialist they wouldn't be able to De they say they what they do is they say that's not off of Mars well I have the negative you have the negative yeah so they can say whatever the hell they want and you can back it up with these JPL guys yeah wow so I will send you that thank you okay and I'll send you something else very similar Joe I appreciate it man this is amazing not a problem so JPL is just

sitting on these yeah but you got to understand something H you got to know exactly what negative you're asking for to get the picture why would they hide this information they're not hiding it they're just not talking it but it's so mindblowing and important I mean the other interesting thing I'm I'm just thinking as you're saying all this is that it's been hypothesized even by conventional science that at one point habitable life existed on Mars and

it was stripped of its magnetosphere maybe due to an as it was moved something passed through our solar system and took inner ramp inner inner uh area planets and moved them to Outer areas outer rim and what do you Outer Rim planets were moved to Inner Rim what do you think moved through our solar system some big object passed through our solar system that did that with it's with its uh gravity field yeah okay it

probably stripped the atmosphere of Mars at the same time it's impossible to know now it could be a wild Planet out there doing an elliptical orbit that takes 20,000 years any other alien artifacts that you saw in these negatives sure else I'm not going to go there because this is all going in a book but I got to tell you this um in in my opinion yeah this is just my opinion yeah I think sufficient evidence

or explorers maybe before the cataclysm came here I think there were people that got stuck on Mars and tried to survive by hibernating uh I think elements of people on Mars when is Every all different directions looking for help or another place they could go and I think some of the people wound up here now what happens when you jump to another planet you leave all your industry behind so the only thing

you have that's advanced technology is ship you cannibalize the ship till you've you've used every single part on it for something when you run out of that you slowly devolve back to Sticks and Stones and the reason why is you can't just build a manufacturing plant you have to start at the very base work your way forward develop Leisure Time all the skill sets necessary and go

through all the steps to eventually build a manufacturing plant you wrote a fantastic book that I recommend everybody read called the ultimate time machine yeah uh you hypothesize something very interesting about how the Pyramids of Giza were built which is a subject of endless speculation because people don't think that with prosaic conventional you know civil engineering techniques we can build the Pyramid so what do you think we might have poured the stones mied them and poured them what does that mean poured the stones

over a long period of time concrete turns to Stone uh when they build a skyscraper or a house with poured concrete the first 25 years you live in a house that concrete is not hard it's hardening it takes a hundred years for concrete to harden completely once it hardens it then starts converting to Stone 10,000 20,000 years later it's

rock and if you test it it's rock and you may say that looks an awful lot like Granite but it may be that it was actually mixed and poured at the time it was set interesting okay so there are places where the stones look like pillows that were put in place they wrap around other deform deformations and look like they literally were made out of clay and then put in place and then got Harden so that

implies yeah hardening process basically that's fasc it would explain the megat tonage because you can't really carry that in solid form well there maybe ways you can sure so well that was the other thing you said in that book is that there was water that allowed for the transport of these what I said was they built Reed boats uhhuh they actually harvested the stone uhhuh up the Nile where the quaries are loaded the stones in the boats and brought them down and

where the pyramid is they damned it and just flooded that whole area and as the water level came up they rolled the stones off the boats in place yeah interesting yeah that's I mean such what a sophisticated amazing use of nature why not and what do you think the purpose of the pyramid was this is also a subject of endless speculation I think it's a transmitter okay M of signal whatever they want to whoever they want to talk to you know go back to the time of their

creation and figure out where they're pointed you well or Ryan's Belt before this last uh procession around the North Star Polaris uh it mapped fully to Ryan's Belt okay so this was I think around 10,600 BC is when it shifted and before that uh you know yeah map to Ryan's Belt which is always uh the place in across mythologies and civilizations uh it's the place the souls would Ascend through the the path of souls uh that idea that on death we our soul makes a

kind of leap up to the heavens and then makes a journey along the Milky Way uh and that that journey is full of challenges and difficulties uh on which we will be assessed for the use we made of the Incredible Gift of Life uh that idea is found all over the world supposedly yeah supposedly yeah maybe that's how we went back to rinville maybe it's it's a emitter of us oh that's we don't know yeah maybe they're sort of a Celestial Ascent CH I can tell

you there's ways of using the uh Chambers and things within the pyramid chemically to make emitters interesting you can make a giant emitter out of it emitter of what everything from light to whatever you want to emit frequency wise that's so fascinating have you ever remote viewed the crucifixion no I unfortunately cannot pick my targets because then I would know what I'm looking at so to be blind it has to be

somebody else picks my targets you've never gotten curious though and said like okay I have this pretty amazing about a lot of stuff yeah but you want to stay disciplined about being tough yeah if I'm going to do a remote viewing it's got to be within protocol have you ever been tasked with remote viewing any historical events that are religious and nature yes anything you but they they weren't Western religion they were something else like

um I got I was targeted on sometimes temples and things in Japan temples like Shinto temples no not Shinto way before Shinto like when uh back around 249 ad there is a record in the Royal cart Court of China uh a woman named himiko uhuh and himo exchanged ambassadors with the Royal Court of China she's the only female Empress that ever existed wow she

ruled for 76 years there's virtually no records of her and she ruled in peace uhuh she converted all Japan from hunting gathering for which the Warlords constantly fought over territory to the rice culture which locked him down to the land stopped all the Waring so she was also a shaman she had her own Temple her mother did her

did uh she came from two of the most powerful families one on uh hu Island and one on uh the tip of the main island south I was hired to do remote viewing and then we would go over to Japan and look at the places I said things existed and we think we believe that we found her her Summer Palace her Winter

Palace her Temple her mother's Temple and her barri Mountain wow and why were you tasked with looking into this there's a group in in Japan they're mostly from okanawa um I'm not going to pronounce this correctly but it's called the noai group and what they do is they try to develop proof of Mythology that's recorded now since there's this short little line on her in the Royal Court of

China they know she existed they know that the Emperor of China gave her uh ghost mirrors gave her a gold ring gave her some other gifts and exchanged ambassadors with her but that's the only proof is that one line written in the records of the Royal Court of China so everything else about her is a myth and what we did is we demith it by showing

those things as belonging to her and did you anything special about her she clearly was this remarkable leader she introduced the rice culture to Japan she Consolidated all of what existed then and called it Japan MH she re she ensured that there were no wars fought between the Warlords anymore all the Warlords won the marrier she was gorgeous but she could read their minds too and she would just show up when they

were playing to do something and they always wondered how did she know wow that kind of thing incredible I mean there's just so many things that she's for and uh there was this Sudden Change in Japan at her time so there's about 70 years of total peace there where that was allowed to happen your aformentioned colleague Inga Swan wrote a book called penetration yeah and it's one of the weirdest books I've ever read in my life yeah where he

talks about remote doing his normal remote viewing work and then he is uh approached by a guy named Axel Rod right and it's a guy in a suit and he's very mysterious he blindfolds Ingo Ino goes to you know some deep underground location and they see a UFO together and then he's told to remote view uh the Dark Side of the Moon and he sees an alien base on the dark side of the moon and then he says some really interest he ends the book around Theory and he says that there are there's space side and

there's earth side and they're almost alien spaces and they're Earthly you know U man in woman spaces you human spaces and uh what do you make of all this well I knew inro really well and I will tell you that when he was writing a book he always talked about it he would come into the lab and he would say uh this is where I went the last couple days this is how I'm writing and this is what wrote and he even let some people read part of the

manuscript uh he was very clear about what he was doing and he talked about it a lot before it was published penetration came right out of the clear blue never spoke a word of it it just appeared I think he's playing a game really personally yeah and what was the game he wants to see how far he can take people maybe I don't know you think he was mess I have no idea but I can tell you that he never wanted to discuss it

he said read the book that's all he ever said well he would say things like I was at the uh groceries doing you know buying fruit or whatever in the in the fruit produce aisle and I see a an alien on Earth and I know she's an alien and she realizes that I recognize her and she's ravishing or something it's just so strange it's like yeah it is strange so you think he was sort of uh playing game playing game that's interesting playing a game that's my feeling mhm but then uh we were eating dinner one night

and he said I finally figured you out Joe and I said you did what did you figure out he said that you're an iconic clastic son of a and I said geez zingo I didn't know you cared and that night when we got back to the motel our two rooms were side by side uhhuh when he put his key in his lock I put my key in my lock we turned the locks and he went into his room and I pretended to go in mine uh backed out locked the door and ran down to the office and I said do you have a

tharus or dictionary uhhuh she said why and I said I don't know what iconic means what it means is I'm a destroyer Destroyer or dispro of structure uhhuh if somebody says this is why this happened I'll show you why it isn't okay um I don't buy anything and I'm unless I have evaluated it myself gone through

all the jumps and you know checked everything and then I might say in all probability this is true I do find it interesting we're sitting amidst a UFO craze right now like it's we're Peak Mania when it comes to UFOs in the Zeitgeist where you everybody's talking about disclosure uh sometimes in healthy ways other times in weird unhealthy ways with kind of ulterior motives and agendas and a lot of the early interest in UFOs did come out of the remote viewing community and I do I find it

interesting you have a guy like Hal put off move on from remote viewing he's still you know interested in it obviously but he goes on to work on sort of like secret science lineage stuff alongside UFOs right and then you have Russell tar being like I'm kind of skeptical of UFOs so what do you make of that well I I know both of them really well and I know why house interested I also know jacqu fet for a long time y I know him really well almost everybody I

knew John Ma you knew John mat I was in England when he was there and I sat at the table with him and we talked about some stuff when he died that day he died yes oh Jesus he remembered a paper in his hotel and he went back to get it and looked the wrong way when he stepped off the curb hey conspiratorial about that no okay no it was a honest accident M you know Americans look the other way and the cab killed him that was doing 50 m an hour yeah so he never if he had looked the right way he would have seen

that they drive on the wrong side of the road right so but but I know all these people and I know they have an honest interest in the reality of is it or is it not okay that's fun and I'm agreeing with them there's a guy named Ryan wood that I know really well I knew his father even better Bob Wood yeah bobwood and I went to a number of Crash sites with him which all turned out to be our planes really yes well he

doesn't think that Ryan no he does about some of them because we found evidence of it and we talked to people who were actually there they're in their 80s but he wouldn't say Roswell or kbur was no I'm talking about the ones that I was with him on he's gone to a lot of sight sure yeah I only went to two or three with him you wrote a great book about all this yeah so you know there's a lot about that and now I've had UFOs shown to me in blow up

photographs by some of those people you told me that you told me jacqu valet showed you a photo of a UFO coming out Lake yeah and he was he kept saying to me check it out I check it out he said did you see what I'm seeing I said what he said look at it I looked at it looked at it looked at it and I finally said maybe I'm not seeing what you're seeing and you missed the you don't see you didn't see the UFO in the lake no I saw the UFO ah he said look at the cows every cow in that picture was

looking at the UFO so I want to see this photo the pilot never saw it I'm G to call Ja it flew right in front of his plane the pilot never saw it oh so so there's plenty of evidence of UFOs um so there probably are what do you think the UFOs problem I have is when people say the GRS are aliens no they're not they're robots that's what every that's what the

smartest people I know say is that they're sort of droid likee robots they are because they're single-minded they have a function they do their function and that's it and the fun is sort of cold implantation genetic collection game collection and why are they doing that and they say oh they they look like this but they have no nose and no mouth well of course not robotic who are they doing that collection on behalf of maybe

the people that sent them here you got to realize if if we have any interaction with aliens it's got to be from one star to the Other M that's not done with a UFO or a fir wagon that's an instantaneous junp this planet to this planet they don't even need a spaceship to do it because they're never in space do you think we have the capabilities of doing that so sending people to other okay no but you think maybe some other

planets have the capabilities to do that is there a million years ahead of us yes now a lot of people are concerned about the threat the what are they here for why are they messing with us and I will tell you if they have that capacity to jump St a star they've been here a long time if they men us harm we would have been toast a long time ago yeah okay so why are they here here maybe it's because we're doing

something that they don't necessarily approve of the first UFO ever recorded was within 7 Days of the detonation of the first atomic weapon in Trinity in Mexico that's the first one that ever appeared ever since then they've had a huge interest in our Atomic weapons they've zeroed them out they've denatured them so they won't go off and the last one that Putin tried to to

launch MH as a test exploded in its Silo so there's other reasons that we don't understand we're notay attention you're saying Putin made an attempt and a nuke as a warning he probably took the nuke off the top and launched out of a nuclear storage facility but it exploded possibly due to UFO inside the nuclear

storage facility record of this yeah well as far as I know yeah I didn't I didn't not aware of this that's amazing most people aren't but that's what he tried to do as a warning wow he's constantly saying oh well I'm going to have to use a n oh constantly he and meddev or it's dog whistles of nuclear war constantly and yeah you know I think he has a tattoo that saids which is stupid because yeah that's the end of the world because our retaliation is not going to be just Russia yeah it'll be

China Russia tyan North Korea everybody who has a nuke that we can get hit by yeah and if we do that the whole world's toast I remember being on the phone with you once and I asked you about aliens and you said I think we might be turning into them Oh I thought what I think I said was I'm not sure we aren't alien yeah but it was almost like they were a future version of us too might be might not be I wouldn't pretend to know what

their interest is or what their desire is all I can say is I don't think they mean us any harm they're concerned about our inability to improve can we get these uh negatives on the the photos on Mars I I can show you one or two that'd be amazing I can send it to you that'd be awesome but I'm not going to send you a bunch of them I'll send you one or two whatever you want that are absolutely

sure that's remarkable Manar that's incredible well I appreciate that and that that means a lot um Joe 2025 feels like it's getting really weird it is getting weird you have a convergence of all sorts of like Tech singularities with AI and Quantum chips and uh the the UFO thing has become this just mad craze and then geopolitically things feel like a total Powder Keg like as unstable as they've ever been mhm what do you see coming down the pike are we going to

make contact with aliens are we going to destroy ourselves are we going to make through I think I think at the last minute we're going to have a direct interaction with them and it's going to be straighten up flyright the AL or we will ensure you fly right the aliens the aliens will they're going to say you guys better get your act together right or see here's my my belief Humanity is meant to improve to grow to learn to

better right now we're stuck in a period of great aest greed money that almost it's hard to tell when somebody has any kind of a baseline in Morality or ethics it's it's like it's a bad feeling and it's scaring people I think the aliens are here to stabilize that to stop that crap you know like grow up because Humanity needs to improve because right

now we're at 7 and A5 billion people no we're at 9 billion plus we sto being able to produce sufficient food to feed people at 7 and A5 billion I don't know you you probably weren't old enough to remember a time when the or could go to a place and buy excess food from the government for virtually nothing 5B block of cheese for

a buck right stuff like that there is no excess anymore there are people dying of starvation who can't get food and yet we keep having more more babies the reason for the increase in population has to do with the old old people in order to be cared for in a in a most countries where they have no retirement no care about the people nothing at all to do with the

people that get old they rely on their families to take care of them to protect them if they have eight children they have a possible chance of survival at an old age even if they lose half their kids the disease or whatever those remaining four or five kids will take care of them in their old age they won't starve to death or die ugly the problem is that's not good because we keep increasing the numbers the way it should

be governments exist because the people want them the people design governments to support them it should be all about the people it's not about making profit it's not about saving money it's not about low taxes it's not about any of that crap it's about what the people want the people get and the people are taxed for a amen um straight up there's no corruption are there that's what's

necessary are there any alien bases you've remote viewed on Earth where we might be able to okay there there're I did the three bases that uh that supposedly are alien bases I drew all three of them and all three of them when I drew them back then were classified so I could never talk about them publicly but I told my the people who tased me what they were I could say it now

because it's known they're over the horizon radar sites okay that's why our entire du system went away because we have bases in the world which are designed to look over The Horizon so if Russia or China were to launch a weapon when it's a couple hundred feet off the launch tube we'll see it not eight minutes before it hits us on apex on that very sober note Joseph mcmonagle

this has been an honor I appreciate your time man and this is a a really wide ranging incredibly informative interview and uh thank you for having us oh you're welcome man and you can come back again if you want appreciate you awesome