Alex Jones Getting Drunk & Painting Rocks [INTERVIEW]

hours with the guy between my home in LA and the Infowars headquarters in Austin, and we really ended up hitting it off. He's like that kid you meet in elementary school. no filter, gets bullied for saying all the wrong things. He can accidentally hurt some people in the process, but he's actually more in touch with reality than the cool kids on certain topics because he's been so

I was first introduced to Alex Jones by one of my favorite movies, Richard Linklater's Waking Life. In the movie, Jones delivers an epic tirade on human liberty and flourishing. To me, this is what Alex was originally all about before going a little off the deep end. Populist anti-itism and taking back control from an oppressive corportocracy trying to distract us with consumerism and endless foreign wars. It's ironic to me that he's now considered a cut and dry right-wing coup conspiracy theorist. In fact, in the early 2000s, he was very

joined us in LA and to keep things light, we all decided to drink tequila, play fun trivia games, and do a little arts and crafts. The result is a very unguarded Alex Jones that you're not used to seeing. And if you want more of that Alex, please watch this incredible documentary on him coming out on July 1st by the great director Alex Lee Moyer. I'm linking the movie's website in the description. Without further ado, sit back, relax, and hit subscribe, and join me in welcoming the internet's bogeyman, the conspiracy king himself, and this week's scapegoat, Alex Jones.

The most hated man in America. No, you're putting words in my mouth. A criminal like Stalin or Trump? Tie me off. Snip me. You are fake news. I don't see it as left or right. It's [ __ ] You know, it travels speed and ultimately one victim must be killed. I got attacked by all my followers.

This is like a cool place. Like hobbits Nice to meet you, brother. Good to see you. How you doing? Good, man. Good. I think it's important to situate you for a lot of people because I think a lot of people have really broad misconception of you. It's really kind of magic out here. I love all this. This looks like we're like I said, Bill Baggins would come walking out of here. So Gandalf's about to pop out over here. They don't think that you're broadly anti- elitist. You just see that there's this strata of of humanity that seems to be able to control the rest of uh the

Absolutely. I don't see it as left or right. I am just addressing the historical problem of entrenched elites that become decadent and corrupt, then start praying on the general population and inevitably launch wars of conquest. I'm really worried about the Russian thing. That could really turn into a big giant war. I think so, too. Yeah, it's really bad. So, elite, he snuck into the notorious Northern California secret society, the Bohemian Grove, in 2000. Members of the

society include a lot of America's business elite and top policy decision makers. Inside the Grove, Jones witnessed a bizarre pagan scapegoating midsummer ritual that to this day I have no idea how to make sense of. When you snuck into the Bohemian Grove, you you looked at this uh crazy ritual called the cremation of care. The whole place and the whole vibe was not Christian or not pious. the little pond, the little lake, and

they do this composite pagan ritual. And I'm standing there with about a thousand men watching it across the pond. The men had really crazy looks on their faces. I would I would call it satanic. I mean, they were just like, taking it serious until I was in the crowd with the men and they were taking this extremely seriously. So you think they're going back to the pagan cult ritual and it's not like like it's framed at least online as a story where

they are celebrating the displacement of the pagan ritual by Christianity. But you would say that they were sort of happily indulging in this kind of age-old pagan ritual. Yes. Because it was a it was a fusion of Moolik worship uh you the bull out of the Middle East. Tire and places and then it was a fusion of Foustian occultism and druidic occultism. Yeah. in a good society and we know this historically that builds better civilization and that's more empathetic and loving adults sacrifice for children

not the other way around and in six societies uh that was obviously I think being influenced by these dark forces or these entities there there was the practice of attacking our future and attacking our civilization and attacking our children. Your father was friends with people in the John Burch society. Uh your mom was interested in psychedelic research going on kind of hate ashberry San Francisco circles. You had an uncle who was doing sort of clandestine stuff in South America. So that did that make you aware of this sort of strat of society that

might be pulling the strings more than you thought previously? Absolutely. I mean there was that background in my family but it wasn't a a huge background but I just got pieces of that there and I was always really interested in history. I was probably like six seven years old and asked for And then my parents ordered them. Cool. I would start reading the more simple history stuff cuz you can see how a kid would like has a lot of writing also a lot of Uh and then I started reading scholarly uh uh books on on ancient Rome and World War I, World War II, just stuff like that. Can you wear this out here?

information with you so that people end up throwing the baby out with the bath water where you're directionally correct on stuff and then you also say stuff that is provably [ __ ] because people plant it with you? I don't think I know I've been set up and I've learned a lot. Yeah. But I never really put out this dis this info myself up front. Yeah. It was always like, "Look, the New York Times and Washington Post are all reporting on how 4chan says they're slaves in a pizza place in DC." So then we go, "Is it true?" And just look at the anomalies. Then the media goes, "Jones made this up." And Jo and I'm like, "Whoa, whoa,

whoa. You're the ones put it out." I go, "Oh, I see what you did." And then when I saw QAnon come along, I I was like, I I said, "I've been set up repeatedly, you know, by this stuff." And I said, "I'm not being set up this time. This is BS." And a lot of my listeners got mad at me because they were buying into no, Trump's invincible. He's secretly telling me what to And I'm like, "No, Trump isn't invincible and it's not and QAnon's not real other than it's a disinfo group doing this." Do you switch genders for the day? What would you do?

woman. Well, I want to experience what it's like. I guess I'd go out and be bad. I don't know. I'd probably be an ugly woman. Nobody want me. dissident around a particular idea, it almost feels like the deep state is good at harvesting specific people and then almost having them be scapegoed. There's this philosopher I like named Rene Gerard. He has this theory that like there are scapegoats that can sometimes

be constructed as like pressure valve releases. Oh, there's no doubt that I was used as the archetype of let's just ban Alex Jones. And then they demonized me and all this to kind of demonize the populist arc type to steal my identity and make this new Alex Jones. They could use the beat over the head and take free speech. But instead, that blew up and actually brought us more people. And the the real scary thing about you cuz my first exposure to you was watching Richard Linklad's waking life. WE'RE GOING TO GET FIRED UP ABOUT THE REAL THINGS, THE THINGS THAT MATTER. CREATIVITY AND THE DYNAMIC HUMAN SPIRIT THAT REFUSES to submit. And it's like

the best speech ever. It's like all about like human empowerment. That was one tag, too. That's amazing. He goes, "Well, that's it. I'm be here all day. One tag. Thanks." And that's at your core what you're about. And you got moved into this role of like tinfoil hatwearing crazy conspiracy theorist. That's what my buddy Anthony said last night. He said, "You were a philosopher." Yeah. That got forced into politics. Yeah. That's absolutely true. Yeah. It's it's [ __ ] up that uh you just get co-oped. It's scary. You have your

Well, that's because because they take you and build this new thing you're really not and then it makes you bigger. But then a lot of people go, "Well, I'll be that villain then." And so I'm like, "No, no, how do I get away from Yeah. You lean in. You lean Yeah. Cheryl Zach. Like lean in like Cheryl Zamber. Yeah. But they get they give you a positive feedback loop for the dangerous And I want to say this right here. You think you're a tough guy? Have me back with a boxing ring in here and I'll wear red, white, and blue, and you can wear your Jolly Roger. And I do want to eat lemons. I'll I'll I'll drink what you

I'll get you one right now. There we go. That's a small lemon. As big as my brain, right? And I I didn't bring my bodyguard because I was scared of you guys. He's just bored at the place. Oh, you should be scared of me. He's probably willing to pull out a What do you say to people who say you speak too fast and loosely and and uh you know, factchecking up like even even when I know you've been friends with Rogan for like 20 30 years. when you go on his show and he's like, "Alex, you need to have a fact checker next to

you." What do you What's your response to that? I mean, Joe and I the times been on a show don't talk about what we're going to talk about. Yeah. But he's always got a plan. And the truth is Joe knows all this stuff as much as I do, And and I mean, it's not a secret. We talk a lot. Um and and he knows probably more than I Um he was just smarter about the way he did everything to not get banned and all that. So, we didn't press script Yeah. He just knew basically everything I was saying could be pulled up. So once I got there, he told Jamie, "We're going

to fact check everything you did." They they told me after he's like, "Hey, watch it, buddy. We're going to check what you're doing now." And then meanwhile, we've already been talking about all this stuff for months before. Is it annoying to you that like even good friend like anybody that shows up in public with you has to like figure out a way to artificially have some sort of plausible deniability or or That's why we're going to paint stones. I mean, I was fine with it cuz cuz he's smarter at like we were talking about before the show. What if you put some subliminal

codes or or things in the show and then told people well then everybody would actually be watching more intensely and listening better because they're trying to find the hidden messages. And that's a smart thing Joe does is he'll have a guest on and go really I didn't know this. And of course he knows that and he's not pre-talking to that person. So he's playing 4D chess. it. Let me tell you, everybody said Trump plays 40 chess, which he doesn't. Yeah. I'm not against Trump. He's really smart and nice in ways and, you know, bad others like I am and everybody else. But with Joe Rogan, it it's the real deal. I mean, like, he's the smartest person I

know. I've known him 23, 24 years. I know him well. We've traveled around, partied forever. And uh, you know, and Joe's always real nice and, real friendly. Yeah. But, and but he's got all his long-term plans and he's thinking 20 steps ahead. He's a wizard. He definitely knows what he's doing. What do you think about people trying to take him out right now? obviously all the, you know, Neil Young, Joanie Mitchell stuff, and then and then after that this this compilation of of him saying the N-word. Well, I I mean, I wish he still told all

those jokes because they were all against racist, right? And of course, they sniff him out and he was making fun. Yeah. 95% of them are him. He's quoting a racist and he's he's saying that they're like, "Fuck them." It's totally dishonest. It's a bunch of It's almost racist and condescending to think anybody would fall for that [ __ ] If to think that somebody would fall for the outof context gotcha BS is racist. Joe Rogan is one of the nicest, coolest, humble [ __ ] I've had the pleasure of working with. [ __ ] the noise, man. You know what they're trying

to do. You can't control the man. And he's got the biggest platform in the world right now. And the people trying to use that. It It's all because they want to silence him because he was for medical freedom. And it's a cheap trick. And then it lessens it lessens when real racists and real groups do things that are bad. Yeah. All of this racism crap is really hurting everybody. It is. And if if one of those NPC automatons that cut together that video just thought for like five minutes critical thinking like is is he really racist? Does he really, you know, uh uh think bad things about about black

people or any other race? They'd be like, "No, he doesn't. He's a really good dude who who loves every bullshit." And to answer your question, I should have answered up front, but I was like already thinking about what you were saying and went to another point. Um, let's just say this. It was so horrible when they attack him. It was so horrible for the subscriptions over at uh at at Spotify. It's a terrible brier patch to be thrown into. Yes, you guys are really getting him. And Dave Chappelle waiting in in the cancel culture. Oh, Dave Chappelle never sold out in bigger

arenas. I mean, we've reached the point where cancel culture, if you can survive, it makes you bigger on the other side. It makes you antifragile. If you don't apologize, if you apologize, you fall. But Rogan apologized. My sincere and humble apologies. I wish there was more that I could say, but all of this is just me talking from the bottom of my heart. It makes me sick watching that video. I mean, I feel the strength is to not apologize. If you apologize, it's an admission of guilt. Well, yeah. But see, if you listen to

how Joe apologized and I totally agree with you. I told him not to apologize and he still did it. He said, "Listen, I don't give a [ __ ] We're sitting there, you know, talking at dinner just like a month ago." He goes, like Dave Chappelle's text messaging him and [ __ ] and saying, "Hey, great job." Whatever. Actually, that didn't happen. Anyways, the point is we're sitting there talking and I said, "Don't apologize." And he said, you know, "No, no, I'm going to apologize. I don't give a [ __ ] about the corporations trying to silence me and and all these censors." She goes, "When the media puts that out, it will hurt some people's feelings really believing I don't like them because they're black

people or I use that term and and and you know, didn't care about their feelings. I if I hurt somebody's feelings and and if they took that wrong, I apologize." He says, "I'm going to apologize to those people that see the compilation. The way it's edited looks horrible and and now I've been used for something hurtful." And he never really gave his full description anywhere. A couple days later, he did a comedy set and said some of it and Variety picked it up. Got good quotes and those quotes he told me at dinner were basically some of the same quotes but he elaborated and said I'm doing it for people that actually were hurt by it but I but I agree if you just try to

apologize the system so they leave you alone that gives them more power but so that's like Joe's nuance way of doing it well think about Bill Hicks like Bill Hicks just got up on stage was like if you work in advertising kill yourself if anyone here is in advertising or marketing kill yourself can you imagine him apologizing he wouldn't that was the old days of humor humor used to be sardonic you know Like it was a cultural commentary. Bill stood up on stage like, "If you work in advertising, kill yourself." I'm not even kidding. There's no joke here whatsoever. Suck a tailpipe. [ __ ] hang yourself.

Borrow a gun from a Yank friend. I don't care how you do it. Well, that's a conspiracy theory I'm sick of. That I'm Bill Hicks. That you are Bill Hicks. You haven't seen this? Oh my god. People think you are Bill. You walk me in restaurants and I mean and say, "Bill, Bill, Bill." No way. It's bizarre. But you don't even look Believe me, I know. I look like Sam Kisonson now. It's weirdly a compliment. I have such a crush on Bill Hicks. Does that mean I have a crush on you? You're a very lovely lady. He's so hot. Yeah, he's so cool. I'll leave.

No, no, no, no. I was one year out of high school when Bill Hicks died. And then people saw me like in 95 started on Access TV and then suddenly get a radio show. uh they do these facial things where they compare and of course I I look like I look 95% like him but guys with Welsh last names look kind of alike but so it's just crazy. Oh, that that is a theory I've never heard that you are Bill Hicks. Put in all the shows Bill Hicks and you'll see it. That's insane. And to to your point earlier, if you don't give a [ __ ] about all the bad press and you realize it's

just a bunch of like dumb kind of smug middlewits who aren't actually they they're not actually engaging substantively with the content. There is this crazy arbitrage opportunity today where if you if you really don't care like you, Kanye, Trump, Jake Paul, Elon Musk, I'm thinking of people Dave Portoi, people who like they just stop giving a [ __ ] There's something. It's like an uber menchy niche quality. I mean, I think definitely you can say whatever you want about Elon Musk, but people can say, "Oh, he was hype early

on or something." Well, I mean, the proof's in the final pudding. I mean, he's the only one to get heavy lifters in the space, bigger than the Russians, and everything he's done turned to gold, and he survived a bunch of stuff. If anybody's the Uber mentioned, it's Elon And if you're if you're walking around like everybody else, self censoring because you feel like social media won't allow you to say anything and you're repressed. You look at somebody like that and you're like, that's a that's a free person. And you you live vicariously through them. You're super even the people that hate Trump, there's something that they're like wildly attracted to him. Well, that's why they

hate him is they're attracted to the big And and the confidence and I mean, let's face it, he did turn the economy around. He did make us the biggest energy producer. He did incredibly good things. I think his mistake was he started responding to the Russia, he was a Russian agent lie and then made everything about that instead of just ignoring it, moving forward. I mean, his biggest failure was not standing up to cancel culture and not trying to stop the censorship. Uh, and so I still like Trump. I still support him in many ways, but uh you know when he was launching his own social networks,

they were openly saying, "Oh, we don't want to work with this group or that group because they won't censor people we want." And you don't just censor dumbass Nazi, you know, incel dudes that everybody's making fun of. Just let them sit there and spout their [ __ ] That's how the open free internet was to like five, six years ago. Yeah. You beat you beat shitty ideas with better ideas. Yeah. You know, it's it it shows and it on the part of the censorer, it shows insecurity that those ideas might actually be true. You just let them go out. Let them die on their own merit. And here's how the real

alchemy worked. They couldn't handle real libertarian or real anarchist type ideas or real populist ideas that was beating the globalist corrupt leftist Silicon Valley model. And so they went, "Oh, we're going to make the internet safe from Nazis and these people." But really, it was about getting rid of their competition whose ideas were so popular they couldn't compete with them. Uh so no, I mean the establishment's not competing with a failed weird nationalist socialist, you know, group from the 1930s. Uh no, no, they're competing with new ideas at new

companies. And you see that even when companies aren't political and they start rivaling the establishment, they either get forced to be bought out or they get called racist and canceled. And that's why Joe Rogan's so important is that he did the judo of, you know, behind the scenes YouTube trying to censor him, trying to co-op him, trying to control him, and then he just goes and does a deal with Spotify where if they're chickens and they don't support him, he's going to start his own thing, his own mothership. You heard it here first. Uh, and he he could do it more than anyone. If I I always think the the the single person

social media stuff doesn't really work. Like, I don't know if Truth Social is going to work, but Rogan might be able to do it. He might be the one person Well, you can you could probably do it, too. I mean, you are you are doing it. No, but I've got they can still take things what I did out of context, misrepresent them and and try to shut me down. Joe's the perfect guy. And I mean, I don't think it's a secret. Oh, nobody's ever really talked about it. Uh that u if he gets censored at Spotify or wherever, you know, Joe Joe even CNN gets They're like, "Well, if they tag him on Spotify, he'll just do his own thing." Yeah.

And Yeah. CNN, what are you tapping his phones? Because he's already got the infrastructure, everything set up. Cool. It's all ready to go and it won't be just Joe Rogan. It'll be hundreds of badasses all in one place and and it's all forbidden and it's all what you're not supposed to have and it's going to be the Wild Wall West the next level. He's one of the few dudes where like I would hitch myself to that. I' I'd work under his thing. Well, because he would absolutely as long as I'm doing something criminal or or or doing something that hurts people, you know, the oldfashioned internet back

where Okay. Would you join him? Abs. Are you kidding? Yeah. Right. Hell, I mean, I'm not I mean, let me just tell you I'm I'm kind of sad Spotify didn't censor Joe. Uh cuz uh cuz I'd want to accelerationism. You wanted the accelerationism of the censorship. So, he does his own thing. Yeah. I mean, not literally, but but but but then he goes into the real radical plan, which which they all know. I mean, believe me, if if his and iPhones are tapped, they know. And I've talked about stuff with Joe, then a week later it's on CNN. Those guys are spying on people,

man. That's why it's just good to have these things out in the open. They're not going to stop the Renaissance and the globalist trying to control the Renaissance to control ideas the new Renaissance uh or or the new medieval period you're talking about came before the Renaissance. But um were you actually saying you don't like the Renaissance? You're talking about how great the medieval period was. I like the medieval period. I'm I'm not a super pro in life. I'm going to get a book that well you guys keep talking that's relevant to this. This is a book called by Ombberto Ekko who's this medieval historian this Italian polymath who died recently and

uh it's called travels in hyper reality and it looks like there's some UFO like thing on the on the cover and he writes a lot about ancient medieval secret societies and he talks about how uh medieval times are very similar to the current times. So modernity is very similar to medieval times.

Wow. Um, a couple days ago. I was digging through a bunch of old photos and was going through a bunch of pictures of my grandparents and my grandmother died a few years ago and I got a little tea. Have you ever posted something on social media that you regret? Yeah. Even though I and I'm now banned from social media, I would post jokes on social media and then they would say they were serious. So, we were like at a little Russian restaurant as a joke, me and some of the crew where we then like banged our banged our fist and like I

looked up some Russian words and said like, you know, hail Putin as a joke four years ago. They they now put that on TV and go, "Look, here he is, you know, fur hats and everything making a joke." So, I I've learned that the left, at least some of their viewers, actually are dumber than I thought they were. And they don't get satire. Yeah. Yeah. No. That's why they didn't get Trump cuz he was like a postmodern performance artist in many ways. And people like who I used to like grow I used to like John Stewart grow I interned for John Stewart growing up. I and and Co Bear and all

these people who I thought were pretty funny and good. And I remember when Co Bear did the White House press correspondents dinner and he's like making fun of Bush and I was this is awesome. He believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday. And then all of a sudden, Trump comes up and they just didn't get Trump because he was he Yeah, of course. He's sort of a joke of a person in in some ways. He's too free, but he's he was super free. Exactly. And it triggered them and then they became They're all controlled. They're giving talking points. They don't deviate.

Here's Trump doing whatever the hell he wants. The whole bureaucracy said, "No, I'll tell you who's gotten better is Bill Maher." like, "Hey, we're not against transgender rights, but is right. We don't need the school talking to seven-year-old boys and tell them he might be a girl. I'm not transphobic if I merely disagree with you." Who would have thought that you and Glenn Greenwald and and Oliver Stone and Tucker Carlson all sound more similar than I would have ever guessed? like it feels like the neocon neoliberal center

is the thing that's kind of imploding and and losing everybody's trust and was the reigning regime for so long and now you have the the ends the anti-establishment ends on both sides the right and the left sounding a a lot more similar there's a loss of legitimacy in the power structure and instead of the power structure reforming itself it's getting more authoritarian in a thought paradigm there is a left and right but I think now with this complex world and all these issues there's no left or right anymore or there's only are you prohuman, are you anti-human, are you for transparency and freedom and

justice, or are you for tyranny? The left right thing is it's inacronistic. It's like a stupid like boomer frame from the 1968 or something. I'm actually very excited by Gen Z. Mario, our videographer, he's Gen Z and he was really pumped to meet you. I'm pumped to meet him when he came to We did some shooting together, too. One of the reasons why I'm excited by Gen Z as well is that like they grew up on the internet. They didn't follow like the news so much and like crypto is so

exciting for me because it just bypasses like a much of the traditional No, you're right. The old corporate news to them is like some alien transmission. It's like what is that? It's like a thing. They don't even like they're not even they're not even being engaged by it. But the boomers watch CNN, they think that's like God. They do. It's crazy. It's so annoying. When I I speak to my parents about it, they're like, "This article says this." I'm like, "But they're so wrong. every step of the way. There's no critical Yeah. Like one of my lawyers is a really good guy, but his wife watches CNN. She's like, "How do you represent that devil, right?"

And like he's like, "Honey, I rep" None of that's true. Wolf Blitzer says it's like, you know, like, do you know how much Wolf Blitzer tells you the truth and so does Google. If the news is fake, imagine history. That's a good meme. If the news is fake, imagine history. I love that. That's cool. Tattoo, too. Little angels. Oh, it's actually Cupid and Psyche. is William Burro's painting. Who is the sexiest person in this room? I would say you are. Okay, great. I just wanted to unfilm. Okay. If you if you were stranded on a

desert island, who would you want to be stranded with? Uh my wife. Not her. How do we make men men again? Well, tell me what's happened to the You don't own me. You talking to me? The old fashioned Hollywood cowboy. I'm a slob compared to say my grandfathers and how hard they worked. And so it's not just that men aren't masculine and women aren't feminine on average anymore. It's there is a basic decadence that's come with all of our prosperity. So really it just goes back

to that cycle of death and rebirth that that that civilizations go through. We've all seen the meme about hard times make strong men and strong men uh make good times and good times make weak men and then weak men create bad times. Here's an argument that I have. I think the biggest thing you could do for American self-efficacy is actually reduce the ease of liability laws because everywhere you go in America, you're reminded of the risks. If you made it less easy for people to sue, it would reduce people hearing about risks

all the time which make them more like have higher self-efficacy. If you're in a defense state, if you think everything's bad, you're not going to like go out and do you're not going to be a great man, you know? Oh, exactly. The insurance companies and the lawyers are ruining the world. Yeah. The answer to make humans more powerful is to bring more controlled risk in to train people to navigate and deal with risk. Like one of the best things left is driving cars 80 miles an hour and the danger and the reality and red lights and people and and that's like a super exciting thing going on. They want to make it driverless where you just sit there going and and it's like, you know,

look, look, calculators are great, but before I even used them, I was good at math and and before iPhones came out, I could know 50 people's numbers, 100. Now I know my own number. So on that, I don't I think I do barely. But the point is the point is is that you shot your shot. We got to find how we don't let the technology enslave us. I think that's the whole future is how do you use technology to empower yourself and others and not have it enslave Well, it feels like we need to differentiate between like software is like eating our brains and we need to differentiate between tech where humans

are in the cockpit and and controlling it and it's human enhance. You think about a spear or a plane. It it's human enhancement. It's an extension. It's an extension of us. Yeah. But my my favorite Marshall McLuhan quote is every media extension of man is an amputation. And if you think about social media and you think about most it, most software, it's literally like severing your outsourcing your sense of direction with Google Maps, you're outsourcing, you know, your uh your recall. Like I used to when I was even a teenager that I would get a map out

and I would look at it and figure it out and then I wouldn't even take the map. I would just say turn here, turn there, write it down and I could be going 1,000 miles or 20 and then I would just go. And then also you tell girls, hey, we'll meet at the movie theater. We'll meet here. We'll meet at the lake. And then it was like you never know who's going to be there, then they're there. Instead, you're like texting them the whole time. You got to be there. It's like horrible. Well, we well reality is like way cooler AI than whatever shitty compressed, you know, software AI we're looking at. And there's there's synchronicities and serendipity and who knows whether the

UFO stuff is real. I I tend to think it is. If that's true, reality is way weirder than we think it is. And we should explore this. We we don't understand human biology. We should explore that. Certainly the roll out of not going to the metaverse. Exactly. It's meant to be Oh, god. The metaverse is the most predatory thing in No, no, flip it. Flip it. The metaverse is the best thing in the world. I love Mark Zuckerberg. I want to I agree with him when he said two weeks ago, we'll all soon be living in the metaverse and not I like that. That sounds like a wonderful place that he runs. Doesn't sound like hell at all.

to do when we reach that limit? What's going to happen with brain computer interfaces? But you think Elon Musk is an uber mench, but he believes in that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's not good. Well, that's an Uber Mench. I don't mean like like he's God or whatever. I'm just and if you look at somebody who's like the archetype of innovating and taking stuff over and doing it all and not the stagnant elite, that would be it. So of course he wants to dominate this and dominate that. Dominate everything because that's like a full spectrum But if you the whole if you can't beat him, join him AI narrative. Well, that's it.

That's bad. That's not good. No, I totally I totally agree with you I'm saying if if adults want to go put wires in their heads and chips, they should do it. But it shouldn't be pushed on children. It shouldn't be out there. All I know is if you want to take somebody that's like a Henry Ford type you have to say, you know, it's him. It's awesome. He's I'm grateful he exists. I think he's an incredible And he's getting better and better. like you shouldn't be made to take shots a year and a half ago when it was first starting, not now. And you know, just a lot of stuff that like he was the biggest guy standing up. So he went from kind of in my calculus to 60% good, 40%

bad to about 80% good, 20% bad. So I really am a big fan of the Russian he's feels like he saw Trump cuz he made a shift I think in 2016 and I feel like he saw what Trump was doing and it was this weird thing where he took up a lot of those tactics and now you could say I mean he's the best industrialist in the world but he's also the best marketer. like his memes and his ability to use it all. The second to none. He's got it all. Yeah, it's it's freaky. Eating too much food and being a lazy

That's fair. If you could only hear one song for the rest of your life, what would it be? Cold man. I mean, I love everything from like Karina Barana to uh Stairway to Heaven to to Along the Watchtower uh to Stephen Wolf. Um I would have to say the companion of all the songs together. I'll be the new conductor and I I put them all back to back trillions of songs and I can decide what I want to listen to. I had dreams particularly when I was

young but still happen sometimes where I sometimes it would be the most innocuous thing it would be an intense thing I mean I said they're going to blow up the World Trade Center and blame it on Bin Laden in July and there's a famous on air call you have with Joe Rogan where you're like I've been talking about this for the last 6 months Joe you know I was predicting this telling you all about it well you know you do predict that the government is doing these things but I mean uh you don't believe that there's people in other countries that hate And you you have this thing in your mind that there's a grand scheme and a grand plan. What do you think they're trying

to accomplish with Why did Hitler burn the rice tag? He's been elected chancellor. He wanted to abolish the presidency and become We know the government's planning terrorism. We know Oklahoma City was terrorism. We know the joint chiefs of staff wanted to blow up airliners. If you do it, we're going to blame you because we know who's up to it. Or if you let some terrorist group it like the World Trade Center, we know who to blame. That was because I would have only a couple times I had that dream, but I would wake up sweating and usually throw up and it's like you've gone to the future. Yeah.

And somewhere in your mind you've like fold space or something. Yeah. And and but but I can't control it. Unless we do bring these chemicals under better control. We are certainly headed for disaster. You've had a history of doom. you had like, you know, Rachel Carson Silent Spring and all everybody in the 70s was saying the world was about to end and it was going to end in, you know, 30-year time horizon or whatever and obviously didn't come to roost. And so it feels like every generation has this sort of doomsday or and it is it's interesting

as a noble lie. You think of environmentalists and they're sort of in some ways they're really anti-humanism. like they're antihuman output in this really sort of uh uh repressive uh uh kind of way. And so as a follow-up to that question, do you believe in sort of mind over matter effects? Do you believe in parasychology, the the the ability for the mind to Well, we know in thousands of repeated tests that there is quantum physics going on and that when you observe something, it has a different effect

than when you're not observing it. And then so they're wondering why is our observation of something fundamentally changing it? And if that's the case, and yeah, you have exactly the double slit experiment. You get basically a a wave interference pattern if you don't observe it. Then if you observe it, it goes through one of the the slits. So basically, you have a wave function which is probabilistic in nature. And then a human observer, if they're present, they collapse that wave function into a specific state, which somebody like Roger Penrose would say basically means that there's a quantum

sensor in the human brain, which I think is really interesting. turns quantum reality into classical reality which is what we're viewing. And so the the the the actual sub architecture of reality is something that's probabilistic and and uh reality is manifesting the way our brain decodes it. And so our brain basically can't you let us see the fact that actually this is not the real nature of Yes. And then if your mind has this crazy disproportionate impact on uh sort of material and uh we don't live in this

kind of cartisian dualist universe where your mind is just physics like there's something sort of very special about the human mind then uh you have a disproportionate impact on your you know the material substrate and belief is a confounding variable in every experiment and then you project onto that and then the architecture is built according to this basic level programming but we all have connections that we can open up to larger more complex systems. But it's hard to experience uh for most And all all data that we have is

basically there's the experimenttor has an impact on on the data that you collect from any experiment. Exactly. And so it's all somewhat skewed based on some top- down ideology which if is a completely heretical thing to say. We're supposed to have this kind of objective scientific layer where science say the science is settled but in real science it's never settled and we're always learning more and then a lot of times it's not that something previous was disproven. It just turns out that it was just a small part of something bigger and then we find something bigger and something bigger and something more We know so little about physics I mean

something that blows people's minds especially normal people's minds that all observable reality is like 5% of like the of like matter right absolutely and like 95% is something that we claim to be dark energy and dark matter. Like what the what is that? How would you rate your looks on a scale of 1 to 10? Uh 25 years ago a 10. Right now about a four. I'm about to go on a huge deal. I'm going to lose 100 pounds or I'm going to I love it. How are you going to do it? I'm just going to work out twice a day and stop eating a bunch of [ __ ] and stop drinking and and I can stop drinking. I

do that pretty easy. It's important too, man, for the content that you put out. Being in a good place physically is really important. Yeah, absolutely. Because I' i've definitely I'll let the stress get to me. So, I'm trying to trick my mind to to do what I can do but not care as much cuz I really get upset by the stuff and then it release releases a lot of SO, YEAH, that's bad. Alex, do you believe in therapy or do you think it's [ __ ]

I think if it's the right person and you've got real goals they can help you. I think most of it's I agree with what everything you just What's your biggest insecurity? being lazy and and not really working out my ideas and doing a better job presenting them and that I've got really important work to do. Alex, what's your favorite conspiracy that you think most people are off on that your highest conviction in? I mean, I think modern science tries to

compartmentalize things and and always say that they've got the the facts and it's all decided, but real science is always asking questions. Also, with the old alchemist, they were trying to figure things out in the natural world, but also adding, you know, wonder to it or or the idea of magic, meaning things we haven't broken through to yet, but we know are there. Things we haven't cataloged yet, but we know are real. And so you have to go into it with that wonderment and knowing magic could happen because as you're discovering the new keys to another level of the

universe, you need to have that sense of openness for it to happen. We overindex on the scientific method when we turn natural philosophy into science. Science is an industry. Before it was natural philosophy. And then we got the scientific method. If it doesn't fit in the scientific method, it's not Exactly. Yeah. But Francis Bacon, you have to go into every experiment with a priorized skepticism which literally affects the experiment. Yes. And if parasychology is true, then belief in the positive or negative sense will actually affect the results of the experiment. And so, yeah, it's a super profound thing that we're missing.

Gentlemen, the experiment is a success. We know science is [ __ ] cuz imagine like Galileo couldn't be peer- reviewviewed. That's Right. Like, you can't peer review actual innovation. We need epistemological anarchism. Like, science was anarchy until the 20th century. And and it was always anarchy. It was always alchemy and and like capernicus and all of them getting locked up and stuff. They said the planets were, you know, round and they were orbiting and the earth was not the center of the Yeah. You look at Francis Bacon and he was super into alchemy and, you know, he wrote a book called New Atlantis and

of really woowoo people who are like all about manifestation, mind over matter. But it's a sad bifurcation because we can't make progress. You you want those. You want polymaths. You want people who have both. for things is a lot better than drugs. Ex. And placebo is a dirty word, but it works. People say, "Oh, no, that was placebo." And then you're admitting that belief affects whatever control group

because they believe they like took the Absolutely. But and when she talked about dark matter when you brought up the observer effect in those studies I was thinking what's the term I want to bring up what's the point I want to make and it was dark matter and then she brought it up and obviously all the different ancients particularly the Egyptians and others said that there was this outside power holding everything together and and and we were only a manifestation of that. uh the uh Mayans thought that the ancient you every major ancient culture thought that and then with the equations of Einstein and Max Blank and others yeah they said

clearly there's something four or five times more powerful holding this all together and now with all these complex systems and and radio telescopes and spectrometers supercomputers all these different devices they have been you know proven as you know in the last 30 years that that this dark matter is there many times more powerful than than the dimension we see holding it all together forcing it so is that simulation or is that all our group collective that is actually manifesting all of this as a like a giant art project we're doing or something? I mean, maybe we're like another species having a hallucination or something else

and and then it's manifesting all this. May I ask, who are you? Are you the Lord anyone's body, what would you want to Pamelar Anderson. Mike Tyson. I love you both. We picked the extreme female and extreme masculine. What have you fused Pamela Anderson as a clone hybrid with Mike Tyson? I mean, for me, it's like they're doing human animal cloning. Yeah. They've been doing it forever. It was in the medical literature 25 years ago. People like, "How did Jones know they're

splicing humans with animals?" Because it's been in mainline medical literature for decades. And all I'm saying is we should have a debate about it. There's an early 20th century evolutionary thinker, Richard Goldmitt, and he had this idea of hopeful monsters. And he would breed between species. So you create something like a It's like a lion and a tiger mixed, right? And like 90% of these things die, but every once in a while you get one that feeds on some niche of resources that you know uh uh others cannot and then they they sort of move on. That's how you get these kind of punctuated

equilibria stepwise. You talk about accelerating evolution. There's always the argument they say it's billions of years, but really now they know there's these jumps. Well, I mean that I think about that all the time. Human homo sapiens have been around for 100,000 years. And just in the last 10,000 years, we've gotten, you know, culture and history and agriculture. And it happened to me in this crazy quick point, you know, and so to me, I think there's some more to that

I mean, if you read the books of Francis Golton and then the Huxleys and the Wedgwoods and all them and how they had those weird interbreeding programs. Yeah. And how they believe they were going to develop the Superman out of it and they developed the projection of and the projection of all the different biometrics and all these sciences 150 160 170 years ago that that that they just theoretically talked about that then the scientists were able to take and build and do. And then that's how in 1931 you could have u Aldis Huxley whose

brother went on to be the top you know transhumanist and all that the founder of all that Julian Huxley. Yeah. Julian Huxley saying in a 61 speech in a brave new world revisited. No we wrote this book in 31 because he wrote you know some of his brother's He gave a speech I guess here at Berkeley. He said we wrote all this in 31 because this is what we were planning and what have been developed over the last 60 70 years by our families. It's where we thought humanity was going. And it's not going to be a 1984 future. That's going to fall away. It's going to be, you know, a chemical system of of of of and and biological control and

genetic engineering. And he said, "Then that's your choice whether you want to be under that or not, but that's where we see things going." And so that's pure just absolute brainstorming by these few families. And then they basically projected what has become the whole modern world. That's pretty powerful. Yeah. Feel it feels like they did. And they I mean uh you read like perennial philosophy by Huxley he he was pretty trippy. He actually he right before he died he took a massive amount of LSD and was very interested in esotericism and

he also was a big fan of William James' transmission theory of consciousness that the brain was actually a receptor for some sort of higher consciousness. It wasn't didn't produce consciousness. It was an antenna. There are two kinds of functions. There is the productive function where we say that mind is actually produced by some kind of material activity. But there is also what he calls the transmissive function that matter and especially the central nervous system is the organ the

reducing valve through which a previously existing mind stuff passes into the material when we know electrochemically the DNA is doing that now and I totally believe in that and and that's why a lot of tribes and groups would like not not would like activate epigenetics by like you know the you know the the head leaders dying and you see it in books like Dune and stuff because Frank Herbert didn't invent invent that he was just picking that up in culture and anthropology and then like you go in and get the chief and the chief like helps

transmit the knowledge to you. Yes. And then however you see that it's basically activating it there through the ritual because it was already there or through the six sense it's actually giving you a download upon death. Been around anybody that's been around and is dying and if they got time a few days while they're dying they start telling you everything but also the energy is not just them talking to you. It's like you're picking up a bunch of stuff and then you have a lot of intense stuff after it happens. Well the mystery rituals are all simulating death. So every initiation right in every culture you're s you're simulating killing the physical body which means the sensory organs are

I don't know if that specifically is true, but these things well definitely all those cultures were were were pharmarmacia were taking that probably and with most religious stuff you'd have the outer group that wasn't taking the hallucinagens of the of the of the of the high priest or the or the witch doctor or the shaman but then yeah that's going on yeah William James divides religion into prophets who have like direct downloads and then people who experience garden variety religion which is they are transmitted the noble mythology but it's in a way to sort of control them. They show up to church, whatever. But, uh,

you know, they they're not getting the direct downloads. And maybe it's weird if everybody does get the direct downloads. Maybe that's the apocalypse, but maybe we're headed in that direction. It's like the boomers, they got too many downloads too quickly and it it it wasn't in step with like real personal progress. Like they would take, you know, crazy doses of of like Timothy Liry, who might have been a deep state construct himself, sort of promoted the taking of these like doses that were way out of whack of all these things. You get way too many downloads. You don't do the requisite kind of personal work. And then you get the message from the

elves. Kill yourselves. There's too many people. Murder yourselves. That's when you you get in the dark side. That's what's happening. And just like King Solomon, who was the wisest man that ever lived, but you don't even really know if God liked him. Whereas King David was a man after God's own heart. You know, the son goes way further than the father, but then goes into so many dark areas and does so many things. When you stare into the abyss, as Nichi said, you you basically change. So I think that's that's where a lot of that comes Yeah. But I also think that people just don't want people to be like the elites don't want people to be too powerful. If

we actually believed in power of psychology and the power of belief, it would mean that we were unrulable. You can't rule great people if they have all their skills. Yeah. It's super libertarian. All of a sudden you can you can see into them, they can see into you. But it's it's it's birectional. Great men can't be ruled. Oh, absolutely. But that's I mean you just said it. But because we're all connected, when they try to dumb us down, they're hurting themselves. M and so I think that's really the the the process of the real alchemy you keep seeing in the Bible is is the separation of you know the good metal from the garbage or the wheat from the chaff, you

know, the goats from the sheep. I think that's what's going to happen. It feels like very broadly and crudely speaking, it's a war between human consciousness and Borgl like uh metaverse consciousness and and those two things are going to come to a front and you'll end up with certain people kind of in the fetal position in some sort of nutrient soup hooked up to the Borg, you know, getting getting the, you know, state propaganda downloads and then you'll end up with these other people with very expanded parasychological minds and and you'll see this bifurcation, maybe even speciation of of

mankind. Right. I totally agree and that's already happening and it's it's scary. It's lowering everything and you know people on their phones and watching TV all day and being part of the system. It it's killing them. Tell us about your first kiss. Uh oh my god. I mean I day one all the other boys like girls are gross. I'm like no they're not. I was kissing I was kissing girls in kindergarten. So I was always like oh you're so nice so pretty. So I mean I was never uh

ve very young, early bloomer. Yeah. I mean I mean I didn't have some sexual desire for my mother, but when I look at her very beautiful blonde, you know, red lipstick, you very beautiful woman. I was like I was like, "Mommy, I that looks really good. I like that." I would never say it if it wasn't true. What What should we do in terms of the rock? Like just free form. I'm going to paint a blue sky. Whatever you feel. Alex can do a Freudian homage to his Yeah. That'll that'll edifice complex.

I'm painting myself. You're painting yourself. Wow. Look at That's a great Yeah. Selfrust me. Actually, my favorite entrepreneur is the guy who made pet rocks. It's like Dani water is just like tap water. I love that [ __ ] It's just like Just just literally repurposing rocks. Yeah. He just like rocks and like put them in a box. He's like these are pet rocks and they're a toy now. That's a good supply chain right there. I know. I know. What do you think about the supply chain? Are we [ __ ] Yeah, it's it's a purposeful reset. So, it's a real deal. Corporations want to

make everybody poor. They control them. At least they got a consensus. I mean, they're all doing it. That mean families around it. So, you think that we're living in a world, Alex, of kind of manufactured scarcity that Yes. In the name and they're always telling us, you know, in the name that it's artificial so they can selectively jack up prices and stop innovation. And then there's some like layer of elites that live with endless resources where we play these little local game. We're on these little treadmills and Yeah, exactly. But there's some argument

that, you know, well, cut the resources so we're not as lazy or whatever. But the point is is that that group never is austere themselves. So you can't have people that all the money telling us we got to be austere, but then they're not. Who would you hate to see naked? Probably myself. No. Uh, I would hate to see Bill Gates naked. I knew you were going to say that somehow. Yeah. Yeah, it was good. Who would you like to see? Uh, I mean, I'm married, so but I always, you know, I like to see lovely ladies naked. That's fair. Means you're a man.

If you could suddenly become invisible, what would you do? Oh, that's a great question. I should be asking you these questions. In fact, in a minute, I'm going to go through them with you. Okay, cool. We can do it. Uh, cuz I need you need to talk. You're much more interesting. That voice is be great for I know. It would be. In fact, I'm going to hire you for voiceovers. I will I will intro you whenever you I need it. The English The English voice is very strong. Everyone gives me 10 more IQ points, which I love. No, no, but there's all different types of English or British accents. What would you Yours sounds high class. Well, I actually I grew up on a homeless shelter, but I got sent to a boarding

school that had elecution lessons. So, every Friday when there was him practice, I sat alone with a with a teacher and got taught how to speak properly. So, I don't speak like anyone in my family. Yeah. Cuz you said I went to Queen of England. Yeah, I mean you definitely got and now we are going to discuss the you know it's very good it's very but you have to ask the question if you suddenly become invisible what would you if I suddenly became invisible? That's a really good question. I don't know what I would do. You could sneak into something though like you you snuck into Bohemian Grove.

Imagine if you were invisible. I've I've snuck into Bilderberg groups. have you? Oh yeah I've sn Yeah, I've been kicked out you know. AT GUNPOINT. MOVE, MOVE, MOVE. Oh my god. And my camera stuff tagging you twice. Um or I could have just walked through the front door if I was a big tech titan. But but were they doing anything? By the way, I don't judge everybody that's been to Builder Bar. I get they have people there that are part of other But was Builder Bug even doing anything interesting? Just a bunch of guys. Oh, no. It's the secret. It It's It's like one of the most elite globalist groups where they're making final deals and battle planning and they have the

Davos group go out the World Economic Forum and kind of be their mouthpiece. I mean, if there's a if there's a place where you've got like half of them are James Bond villains, that's it. But but I mean, then there'll be some a few select journalists, a few people they want to talk to that are tech people. I mean, not everybody that goes Bohemian Grove is bad. Most of them are good. Uh not everybody that goes to Bilderberg is bad, but the definite steering committee and the Klaus Schwab, you know, he's he's been like, "Yeah, what's his deal, Clash Schwab? He's been the he's he was really the head gopher at at the Bilderberg group that kind of organized it and ran it and they decided by the 70s to have a public

arm that then went really operational in the 90s. Does he have power? A lot of power. Yeah. Does he? Cuz he seems on on one level you read about the great reset stuff and you're like this is feels like what's happening this like weird corportocracy and horizontal integration between like big companies and and government. And then on another level you're like this guy seems like a joke. We are here at the headquarters of the World Economic Forum. like he's wears like these like cartoonishly villainous outfits. Well, I mean, he's the real deal. What is your greatest fear in a

and one for you, Jesse, too, you know? I mean, I mean, I think that's pretty I mean, it's the you really love somebody, you invest in them and and then they leave you. I mean, and then you have that hurt. That's the biggest How do you get over that? I mean, I think when you get older, it just gets easier because you realize you're going to lose everything anyways in this life. Uh, but uh I mean, it's but it's better to have loved and lost than never loved at all, as they say. It's good for me to hear that right now. So, it's good. What's your biggest insecurity?

Uh, I have intimacy issues like Jesse I'm in my head. I'm in my brain about trying to experience my body. Same. Same. Yeah. Would you prefer a wild hot relationship or a calm and stable one? Wild and hot. Come on. I know. here. Get them in here. Like the Legion of Doom over there. I ask you, who's the sexiest person in this room?

Yeah, that's an easy question. Okay. You have to say this about yourself now. Reva, who was the sexiest person in the room? There you go. Good. Good answer. When was the last time you got really You were angry me today cuz I was late. I don't think I was that angry. He told me you were a five out of 10 when I when I arrived. That I was what? I asked Alex how mad you were and he said a five out of 10. It's [ __ ] Alex,

I was I was happy. I fell asleep for a minute. I'm sorry. I was like, "Don't even matter." No, you're good. We're so mad. When was the last time you were super Uh when was the last time I was I do get like anal about the show. I get type A about like, you know, I want You have frantic energy. If you could only use one swear word for the rest of your life, which one would you choose? That'd be [ __ ] It's a great sounding word. Well, it was banned by the uh Norman because the Anglo-Saxons used it. Is that true? There's a whole list of words they couldn't use.

Man, you know a lot of [ __ ] Well, it's fun to use the word. Why Why can't I use the word [ __ ] And like in the Norman, you know, they're like calling it, you know, Congress or something. It's like it's [ __ ] It sounds good. But the most powerful and it feels with the way it means semantically. It's an those people. Exactly. I mean it wasn't a bad word. It's like it fucking's good. Yeah. And you know this goes the Norman conquest. This is is an Anglo-Saxon deal cuz they would cut the fingers off so that they couldn't have the long bowman

Yeah. Yeah. Still got my Wow. That's like when Churchill's going to Hitler like, "Hey buddy, you got your [ __ ] you got victory." If you were reborn, which country would you want to be born I almost want to say something like dog, like um Kabib, you know, it just be like a tough [ __ ] like Fighting Bears at the age of seven or eight. of your life, what would it be? Babe, I'm going to leave you Zeppelin. One More Chance by Billy Holiday. Oh yeah. This is me. Wow.

Very nice. I didn't know you were jackalantern. What' you get? Mine's like a sunset in New York. Oh, that's beautiful. That's like a almost looks like Chicago Cubs. Uh I like that. And then what the [ __ ] is you? I just did a little three-part a tptic, if you will. You know, it's like a pecan. It's a It's a pecan. Well done, Jesse. You're very talented. Thank you. I've done well over there. hoping we haven't angered the YouTube Now down to the central committee.

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