The 26 Year Old Prodigy Reverse Engineering UFOs (Ft. Deep Prasad)

isn't the last word gravitational to me immediately i realized that's not your average macroscopic interaction he thinks that the five observables point to ufos engaging in quantum macroscopic behavior so what exactly do i mean by that quantum physics generally governs the properties of the very small things like atoms photons and electrons tiny elementary particles that do spooky things like entangle at a distance tunnel through physical barriers and sometimes exhibit wave particle duality similarly deep believes that ufos could

himself this week's american alchemist deep prasad different parts of the brain have different activities maybe you should interview me serious high functioning people why the

don't they take it more seriously yeah there's just so much social pressures basically deterring people even highly intelligent people from wanting to study the subject i'm here with deep prasad who is 26 years old he has a quantum computing startup but part of the mission of this quantum computing startup it's actually reverse engineering uaps or ufos based on their observable properties in some sense the most interesting starting point is like how does one get into both quantum computing

and uap it completely blew my mind that the technologies the observables and what was being reported there was no way in my personal opinion that that could be a derivative of any human science so you have hypersonic velocities for example right with no craft the waves at the beginning the sound waves at the top will get bunched up and compressed and that's the sonic

boom that you hear so when an object can travel at greater than five times the speed of sound like the tic-tac which is estimated to reach at least 31 times the speed of sound and it doesn't disturb the air around you to me immediately i realized that's not your average macroscopic interaction so the physics that we use to describe macroscopic bodies no longer applies to these things like my colleague eric weinstein likes to say this isn't new engineering it's new physics correct the role of aerospace companies as holders of potentially basic scientific knowledge

okay so how does this relate to your interest in quantum computing you know what let me give you like an actual example and why this might apply to uaps yeah so okay so let's rewind to because we can never ever observe absolute zero we should never be able to observe exactly zero resistance and in 1911 when doctor ohm's uh discovered the first superconductor it blew everybody's mind because this was supposed to be thought impossible and 40 years later we

finally understood why this was even possible at all and we learned that it's because of quantum mechanics that quantum mechanical behavior occurs at the macroscopic scale and that's what we're observing and it only applies to keep in mind low temperature superconductors we still don't know how high temperature superconductors work we know that it's some weird quantum phenomenon but we don't have the physics and perhaps mathematics to describe what's happening there or the computers so what did we learn in 1911 we learned that when a material breaks the laws of

physics when anything does it's actually probably because it's an emergent property or an immersion phenomenon right of underlying strange quantum mechanics that are going on okay so you're looking at properties of uaps things like you know hypersonic travel with no uh signatures or you know breaking conservation of momentum don't you that you can't make that work in in sort of our classical physics or aerospace you know abilities so you have

and then you have this interest sort of in in quantum field theory how does this relate to quantum computing and yeah how do you tie it all together so look when i first started quantum computing my goal was to be able to simulate any new material and predict it before having to make it in the lab right i wanted to be able to tell is this new combination of atoms going to be the next semiconductor will it be the next solar cell the next batteries that's cool so you wanted like the ultimate

software or something you got it like the what tesla could do in his brain and you would be able to do that with quantum computing or we will oh absolutely here's why the classic equation that we'd use to simulate the properties of atoms would be the schrodinger's many body equation if you can solve that many bodies shown in your equation you will know everything about that material you will know the speed of sound in that material you will know its resonance frequency you will know its heat capacity and strength the problem is that in the past

we haven't been able to do this equation for more than about three atoms yeah not much it's not it's not very useful right in other words the many body equation has a scaling problem as paul drake said he literally said everything we want to about materials has been figured out we just don't have the computational resources interesting to solve this equation deep thinks that the bottleneck for solving this equation at scale is basically just using classical computers and with quantum computing we might actually be able to do it and simulate

meta materials that exhibit the five observable properties of ufos we engineer every technology today and in the sense that we treat quantum effects as a side effect an artifact a consequence that we have to engineer around quantum computers decide they take a different approach they say instead of treating quantum effects as this unwanted thing that we're engineering around right incorporating

accounting for let's actually leverage it let's create quantum systems of our own and manipulate them so that we can simulate other quantum systems because in order to simulate nature and nature's quantum mechanical you need a system that is also quantum mechanical the quantum mechanical world is like a dream world powerful and ethereal anything can happen in it however as soon as somebody on the outside disturbs you you wake up and all you're left with are memories similarly subatomic

particles exist in a probabilistic state of many possibilities but when they interact with an observer they collapse into a single state as a result quantum hardware which relies on maintaining two or more states in quantum superposition will decohere if they're interfered with by anything from the outside this is the main bottleneck for building fully fledged and functional quantum computers they're incredibly sensitive and they often require very specific and energy intensive environments in order to maintain coherence this is why

initially deep is using a quantum computer simulator instead of quantum all quantum computers the algorithms that we're running on them they are universal computations what that means is that we will be able to model any algorithm we want on quantum computers and so what we can do is if you're smart enough if you're clever enough you can figure out the right mathematical representation of the antibody schrodinger equation and port it onto a quantum computer simply by the fact that you can approximate

any algorithm you want on a quantum computer so if you have algorithms and mathematical models that that map right from quantum computing to many bodies showing your equations you're in the money and that's what we do right we do hardcore research into how to map these material science problems on a quantum computer describe to the audience what a qubit is it's the quantum version of a bit a bit is the fundamental unit of information for classical computers right one or zero one or zero exactly

but the fundamental smallest unit of information you can have in a quantum system is a qubit qubits can take on superpositions of states right and so what a lot of people in popular culture popular science butcher when they describe superpositions is that they say that the qubit is both one and zero at the same time that's not true it's not in the one state it's not in the zero state it's not in the one and zero state either it's also not not in the one and not in the zero state

it's in a superposition state but how does that equate to transmitting more information more information if i were to have let's say just 10 bits right it sounds trivial but it takes 10 bits to describe the state of 10 bits but if i have 10 q bits then i need 2 to the 10 classical bits to represent the entire quantum state of those 10 qubits because you can have all the the qubits entangled with each other meaning that they can all to

planet earth and convert it into classical bit i wouldn't be able to store the quantum state of a caffeine level of bookkeeping in the background with quantum states that we don't fully how it does it nature does is bookkeeping that's so computationally impossible for us to do today right and that's where like ideas of the multiverse and multiverse interpretation

comes in and so on right where people will say well nature's not actually storing it anywhere it's actually just distributed across different universes we have a sense of where it gets stored so obviously but these are the way in which quantum computing sort of simulates nature more accurately and so can store more exactly but uh do we have a sense of how the computing is storing either or that's also somewhat of a black box where complete black box we can engineer them interesting but we have no [ __ ] clue why it works wow that's pretty nutty

every physical material ever is a quantum system your brain your skin everything is made of atoms and all atoms are described by quantum mechanical rules it's almost a form of blind exceptionalism to say that the body is not quantum because everything else is quantum so that's how much quantum sensing is going on that's unclear but exactly it's not like we we came into existence as giant macroscopic bodies right we literally started from amoeba we were closer to the quantum scale when we started out so it's hard to imagine that

that we didn't evolve even at the cellular level some ability to use quantum effects for sure do you think your brain is a quantum like the the penrose argument would be so it's like we don't perceive anything kind of in its quantum form obviously we perceive you know a bigger proportion kind of classical stuff right and the penrose argument would be that you know you have a probabilistic universe you have schrodinger's wave equation and we're collapsing schrodinger's wave into a specific eigenstate right uh using you

know this some some quantum sensor in our brain may be microtubules or maybe something else right do you believe that or the thing is that with our brain there may be parts of our brain that could behave like a quantum sensor we know that there are birds that can navigate the earth's magnetic field and sense it right using quantum sensing essentially biological quantum sensors the body in biology at large is typically warm wet and noisy not conditions that you think of as conducive to maintaining quantum

coherence or exhibiting quantum properties but scientists now know that there are actually parts of biology that do exhibit quantum effects for example they're birds called robins that have a specific protein called a cryptochrome in their eye called cry4 that actually uses quantum effects to sense the magnetic field of the earth electron pairs in the cry4 protein arrange themselves based on the robin's position and direct the bird where it needs to go based on the magnetic field

of the earth it's basically biological gps lockheed observed these birds right or like the physics and and they decided can we replicate this with existing sensors can we create a quantum sensor that does the same thing that these birds are doing to detect the earth's magnetic fields and they succeeded as of six years ago they created what's called the dark ice magnetometer so with these magnetometers they can navigate anywhere on earth without a gps with gps precision they don't need a satellite

they can be underwater they can be wherever the hell they want and they can that's pretty amazing well there are all sorts of issues national security vulnerabilities with gps satellites for sure for sure and then if you don't have access to gps for whatever reason and imagine if you're an extraterrestrial species visiting a new planet you don't have access to gps magnetometer that's it as we build more powerful quantum sensors we're going to be able to learn things about the human body that will actually be medically useful there's already research being done and devices being built for sensing the heart and

like the activity of each you know basically atom in the heart right so imagine having atomic resolution into the human body wow these are this is what's going to happen right it's you see all of la so that's west hollywood right here downtown all the way east right there and then you can see the beach during the day all the way away yeah it's beautiful i think your blog is fascinating and i want to go through some of your blog posts

because i think the the titles themselves i think are worthy of explanation so i'm just going to go through a couple of them and you can sort of give me the the summary if that works sure okay the evolution of science and the interactive universe when we look at the modern scientific method right it was um invented by the credit goes to sir francis bacon his assumption the scientific method naturally assumes that whatever you are deriving about the universe should be repeatable right and if it's not

repeatable if it's not testable and controlled then it's not scientific and it's not useful information the issue with that is that it assumes that the universe is static that if i were to measure a certain volume of air that it will never change if i measure particle composition of this air nothing ever changes the repeatability is there because the laws of physics are the same and so on so forth nothing will ever affect my measurements other than the errors that i already know the the fundamental issue with sir francis

bacon's assumption was that ask matter of favor flies through the air that air the composition everything about it should be repeatable however that day something happened that was not repeatable the existence of the tic tac so somewhere in that air was this anomaly this thing that does not and is not repeatable yet it was clearly something that needs to be studied so the scientific method needs modification and that's what this article is about that yeah it well yeah another model of

figured that out you know that that that light was actually quantized in the early 20th century right but you have these things where it's like little little pokes in the uh formal convention of the time and the standard paradigm and you're like what is that doesn't quite make sense it doesn't quite make sense and i love that there's a carl popper line materialist promissory notes and it's you know all of the gaps of materialist reductionism will get filled in inevitably exactly but but um that in

itself takes faith and so i think i think studying anomalies is incredibly important absolutely and should be should be seen as a possibly a harbinger of the next paradigm absolutely and and and not shoved away and not i mean i think we're over indexed on like people like michael shermer like justifying the current paradigm that doesn't move science forward that's not exciting at all it doesn't it also doesn't face reality i really believe in you know as cheesy as it sounds facing reality if we're realizing that the scientific

is not giving us uh the full picture we should be looking at new methods too that complement right science as well because we know now at least no we have good indications that the universe is indeed not static as in if i were to measure something there is a non-zero chance some crazy anomaly that has never been properly characterized will occur in my measurement in my experiment and we need to be able to quantify that somehow and

we need to account for it we have to be comfortable with the fact that maybe when we study the abyss it steadies us talking about like physics with uaps but what i find very interesting is if you look at all into the subject it's not just new physics or if it is new physics there's one component that doesn't fit with our current model of physics outside of the observables of the actual uaps being very weird and that's that certain people see the uaps

and those people see the certain uaps often in various states true and so the occam's razor easy way to explain that away is the person is crazy right but often these people have no mental health history why do you think certain people see uaps and is there science that we'll discover that might be able to explain that i have two answers right one is much more rational and doesn't make me sound crazy the other one makes me sound like a complete lunatic let's start with the second one okay sure

my lunatic answer is um it's based on cellular automata so cellular automata is a notion that comes from computer science and mathematics and it's the idea that you can create highly complex highly emergent systems from very basic cells and very very basic rules right where you just define um you know a couple cells on a grid and how they'll behave whether they die or not right this is where like conway's game of life comes and so on and then we

see that if you let the simulation run and you let the play out you imagine you see this completely different version phenomenon right that's so complex my crazy theory is that these uap sightings that we're seeing and so on are part of the cellular automata where individually they may seem like one-offs and weird events but what we're experiencing could be part of this game or strategy where the end goal is this very very complex emergent

phenomenon that cellular automata leads us to and i think that we're part of a more intelligent organisms cellular automata game i guess if you will interesting i think that it's uh the whole point is that is to change society towards a new state an emergent property like a very complex society that we don't even have like we're not even near right now like we're getting pushed towards it in ways that we don't even

realize that's what's weird is it almost feels like there's an arc of tech innovation or civilization civilizational progress or something that sure um it's like you know why are there certain discoveries at the same time in places that didn't have any contact with one another people were having sort of the same same thoughts at the same time there's obviously you know esoteric traditions of kind of cyclical civilizations that you know rose up and then they declined and it's i don't it's all very hard to

explain but maybe maybe tech is more preordained than we than we think it is or maybe per like the william james transmission theory of consciousness these things are sort of zapped into us and all ideas are kind of zapped into us okay let's go through some more blogs we have resolving key issues in quantum mechanics while simultaneously debunking every ufo case in history okay okay curiosity as a time capsule

what is that awesome so that's where i lay out my predictions for where i think research is going that was my version of a time so that one day the hope is that you know five years 10 years 20 years from now as we develop a deeper understanding of what uaps are and the ecosystem around what it means or where that's going to leave us so that's that yeah what are your predictions

my prediction is that over the next 10 i think that we will have collected enough scientific evidence enough groups will have collaborated and worked and also post-scientific groups too right like i mentioned we make some modifications to scientific method i think that we're going to be stay in a decade from now where we acknowledge that we are not the only life forms that are intelligent and super intelligent on this planet i vaguely believe that failure and that would be an insane

thing say we we all were like okay so we have scientific verification that aliens are you know having a basis somewhere whatever right uh all of a sudden you replace angels and demons in the bible with aliens and you're like okay that was probably real right and like a lot of that stuff might be happening now and actually my cousin who had a vision you know or whatever like maybe he really did have a vision and they had something to tell him and all of a sudden the world becomes much more magical place totally uh and it's not just these like

folklorists yeah that gives me funny stories that people are telling in the form of religion that people think you know it's just this sort of garden-variety thing that you do you show up it's for the community whatever but it's ultimately there's no metaphysical truth in it and then there's science which is like cold and amoral but it's it's real somehow this would marry those two things in this like freaky way it's amazing it would be kind of crazy but i i don't know if it's kind of thing it's inevitable it is inevitable there too many anomalies that are being

reported and that are being measured and observed around the world that for us to ignore you know that relates to almost religious like experiences right yeah um i think that it's not it would be so painfully naive of us and it is to conclude that we know everything there is about the universe where we're so close that we can say that there's no such thing as like you know aliens for example right like think about our quantum mechanics in general relativity that describes five percent of the damn universe yeah the other 95

isn't even describable with our physics yeah right like yet people are so damn confident about their world view yeah it's crazy they think they mistake the map for the territory it's because hey love it yes that's exactly it that's what would you be working on if it wasn't quantum computer if quantum computers didn't exist i would definitely be in artificial intelligence where it's generative and a human doesn't need to feed it some ideal end

that it's sort of judging it off yes yes it will be when our fundamental machine learning models are better and improved and we go beyond the neural networks of today and when they have their own physical body because that's what they're missing is the ability to actually interact with the world around them where i would disagree with like elon musk or nick bostrom or those those that camp of people is like they seem to have these like doomsday scenarios in their head they're like near term where like these like sentient killer robots decide

that you know human uh meat space is useless and you know or they don't fit into some objective function and then we end up getting thrown out and killed where we are now which is like statistics on steroids to that just feels like this insane leap of logic and i actually think the more insidious narrative is that ai is already killing us but ai is just consumer apps and consumer apps are eating us our brains i think it's brilliant no that's a very very wise insight because most people

who use tick-tock for example right yes they have no freaking clue yes how much they are being manipulated by an artificial intelligence no idea the extent of it why she ain't put the new ones at the bottom then that's disgusting so imagine you know we already saw problems with facebook when people were experimenting with facebook's news feed to see how to affect people's mood and then you know alleged suicides and debts would increase during this result of this experimentation right right how do we

know that's not also happening with tick tock and other um outlets and so on yeah so absolutely there's an insidious aspect of ai that we should worry about that's outside the i think so too i think it's killing us with a whimper and not with a bang love it it's just eating eating away at us sort of parasitically quantum computers in the next like let's say to be conservative 15 years i will i'm being highly conservative there will become powerful enough to completely make rsa obsolete rsa encryption is the backbone of society right it's it's what allows you to

securely access your bank account to send messages you could reverse engineer that with quantum computing exactly that will happen it is not a matter of if but when so and when you double spend bitcoin you could tell us the whole all of these yeah most of uh um these cryptocurrencies today will become obsolete because of quantum computing well that's an interesting sort of black event around crypto it will happen yeah totally and it's gonna a lot of people will get blindsided caught blindsided in that absolutely interesting absolutely

and so what happens when there are nation state actors or people who are intelligent enough that can build quantum computers and suddenly the whole world's information is exposed right what happens if i can read your facebook messages now that you've sent throughout your whole life right how disturbing would that be so um i think that that that event alone will force society the apocalypse exactly or like force us to work together basically like because like everybody will lose their leverage right at the

same time yeah well dude thank you for doing this this was a lot of fun absolutely likewise jesse yeah thanks deep it was such a pleasure man sometimes i'll definitely do this again dude in miami absolutely yes