The Scientist That Scanned Beneath The Pyramids [Exclusive Interview] | MEMBERS EARLY RELEASE

over 1 km of depth. Over a kilometer of >> a kilometer. nuclear fusion machine? Please give me another another question. I don't know. Maybe the water goes through the these spirals. And the spirals are made by piezoelectric material. back on? Let me do like that.

different activities. But you know that, don't you? shocked the world with a discovery earlier this year. You really did. I think it's one of the most interesting findings in the last century. And I

former Minister of Culture. And he says, you know, it's fake news and there's nothing there. And then you have a lot of people supporting you saying that, you know, there actually probably is something underground, obviously. That whole area is full of subterranean chambers. So, it's an honor to speak with you today. I'm very excited to get to the bottom of this here in a beautiful Perugia, Italy. Thank you very much. Thank you for saying me that we made

And so, to perform the scanning at the Giza Plateau. I want to start with the most like to the point question, and then we can back up and figure out how we got there. What in your opinion In my opinion Say say a gun was to your head, you had to just guess. What What do you think is underneath the Khafre pyramid? Okay. Yes, thank you for this question. The answer is very is a bit difficult for me to give to give you an answer a precise answer because the truth We will know the truth only if we go

inside physically there to check what there is. Now, what we can say that we have measurements. Measurements, physical measurements that are acoustic measurements. And this we perform at the these measurements as you announced it before using a synthetic aperture radar. Then we will speak about the synthetic aperture radar and how we arrived to perform these measurements. We are considering tomographic analysis. On

first of all, we we began again these analysis on the Great Pyramid of Cheops and then we moved on the Khafre Pyramid. And then and extending all the measurements the measurements on all the Giza Plateau. So, what we are watching? We are huge structures that are connected to the base of the Khafre Pyramid and these structures goes are extending underneath

let's say tens and tens of meters. Approximately we have a measured over 1 km of depth. Over a kilometer? >> Yes, over that. Yeah. >> Wow. So, over 1,000 m. what do the structures look like? Yes, the structures are like the tomographies are public. So, we have

do we have done a scientific interpretation of those tomographies and they are like cubes that are connected to the base of the pyramid. We are counting at the moment underneath and they are connecting the top so the base of the pyramid to something that is located at the bottom.

Mhm. So at the bottom we probably have huge chambers uh for approximately 80 m wide uh of wide of width and also of height 80 m. Wow. >> on the bottom. On the bottom. >> Yes. And and so what is that? That's like the kind of foundation structure on which the two Probably because we are observing that the tubes are connected to the respective top of this structure.

They are connected and goes inside. Wow. Because then I I explain you why and all the physics that is behind this all these measurements. ob- obs- obs-ly we don't know the exact um objective of these things. What we What we know now is this. There are these structures.

Tubes, huge tubes that are descending And we have noticed that that these tubes has a sort of spiral nature. Mhm. So they they uh spirals around theirself going down. And then we have noticed that that each tube has a core in the which is uh that let's say connects the

uh the spirals, you know? >> And this core descends down. just to be clear, the physics behind all these all this work that we have done. we have used an equipment or a device, let's say a device, a payload that is called a Uh radar is an acronym that it means

radio detection and ranging. So, we detect things remotely and while we detect things, we can also measure a distance. This is a radar. in the in the past radar was installed on board the ships, maybe to know for safe safety navigation or on board airplanes. But today, they are also on board the satellites. And um of course, the technology advanced and radar became synthetic aperture radar.

Why synthetic aperture radar? Because we we need to perform pictures, electromagnetic pictures of the earth. It regards in the so-called remote sensing of the earth observation. And the more the aperture and the detailed are the image of the radar. So, synthetic aperture radar it means that we synthesize a very long aperture in

order to have very high resolution on the earth. We are talking about sub-metric resolution. Maybe a pixel can be of this dimension or of of the this square that is on the So, it is very important. >> Yeah, it's like a quarter of a meter, right? Or yeah. It's pretty strong resolution. And there there are companies like Iceye and and others that do all sorts of work when it comes to synthetic aperture radar. They have, you

know, Umbra, Capella Space, which I think are responsible for some of these scans, are very credible companies that do work in defense and commercial applications as well. Yes. Okay. They They are They The companies that you that you said they yes, they are American Capella Space and also ICI is an European company. We have Cosmos Sky and and Cosmos Sky at second second generation, which is an Italian

affiliated to the Italian Space Agency. So, we have a lot of equipments, a lot of radars. And we used data produced by these satellites to perform the scanning on Giza. And so, radar backing up is just bouncing radio waves off of physical objects. Synthetic aperture way radar is a way to do that with finer resolution, essentially. And And so, how does that

work exactly? I have to tell you this. This That is very important because initially, when we announced that this discovery, scientific information. So, misunderstanding. A lot of misunderstanding. Radar synthetic aperture radar cannot penetrate the So, electromagnetic electromagnetic waves has also has only superficial

According to the Maxwell theory, according to the past physics classical physics, the interaction of electromagnetic wave is Maybe you can have a bit of penetration, but very very few centimeters of penetration. we have used we developed a new which we are able to detect the

superficial vibrations of the earth. penetrates the earth. It means that photon and phonon and phonons which is the quantum in of light of electromagnetic waves and the quantum of vibrations. So, photon and phonons are separated by something called It means that light propagates only in

the free space and not in the matter. Phonon propagates only in the matter and not in a free space. So, in order to compact to combine these two we had we we tried and we successfully combined the two informations given by the photon and by the photon. Where we have both of them? Try to guess where we have both of them. In the At the boundary. At at the boundary we

have the information of the photons and the phonons. We have the interaction of them. And there we were able to retrieve the so-called sufficient statistic in order to perform tomographic inversion and so to go deeply inside the earth. So, this is something that we have developed two years ago and this is new and at the beginning

people were not I don't know it is was something new so it had it had to pass some time in order to realize that this was possible. Is some Is penetrating the earth? So, in the case of radar, like you said, it's reflecting off the earth's surface, pretty much What else is penetrating the earth to even gather the data on the structures? I tell you this, the satellites flies in

the in the space. Mhm. On a velocity of approximately 7 km per seconds. Mhm. It means that in 1 second, the satellite has flight flow 7 km. Then, this high speed this high velocity permits the radar to synthesize a very generous Doppler bandwidth. Mhm. Doppler it means that the electromagnetic waves that we

transmit and receive are frequency modulated by the movement of the earth. Mhm. Okay. If the earth vibrates because of the presence of seismic waves, the presence of vibration due by the the cities, the presence of vibration due by any natural phenomena occurring on the earth while we are observing it by the radar, it means that the earth is moving. Mhm.

And if this movement performs signal, Yep. So, this frequency modulation is proportional to the vibration. Yeah, we can grab the vibration of the earth. Mhm. And this vibration that is located on the boundary has all the information of the vibration present in

it was possible to perform an algorithm that um, realizes tomography. Tomography it means I look inside. Tomos in Latin it means slice. Okay? So, we can scan the earth according to slice that are located below the earth. The slice to um uncharge a earth or to extract a

vibrational slice from below the earth and here you can see everything concerning the energy vibration on a certain depth. So, phonon, which is vibration, can converts to photon, which is basically a light packet, which is the unit of electromagnetic wave. The frequency modulation then goes to the satellite and allows you to read vibrational differences in the earth, which is obviously, you know, kind of

correlated with material differences under the earth and you can figure out the structure underneath the earth. Is that correct roughly? >> Yes. Okay. That's a very interesting. I think to maybe the skeptic out there, I imagine this is used in other cases, right? Like this isn't just used for scanning underneath the pyramids. Has this been used in commercial industry and defense, anything else? It can be used for everything, I suppose, for commercial purpose, you know. Because if

when we are able to retrieve the vibration of the earth in order to perform tomography, we can use this technique for maybe for mining, maybe for crude oil extraction, maybe for other kind of application that can be useful to humans. Is it currently used for anything? Like I've heard that it might be used to map magma chambers and volcanoes. >> Can be used for uh map the magma chambers of the

volcanoes that maybe it's a good opinion is very important to do this type of facilities because I give you an example. In Italy, we have a very dangerous volcano which is uh the Vesuvius that is located in Naples. And from 1948, this volcano is not to smoking anymore. So, it is accumulating energy. Oh, wow. And we know that I'm not saying that tomorrow will will erupt. I'm not saying

this, but uh it has to be mon- I tell you, Italy is very in here in Italy, we are focused on that volcano. It means that it is very attention. There are a lot of incido- incido seismograph radars are using the so-called

which measures the displacement of the earth are always also I do it on my work. it is always under attention. This other method can scientists to study volcanoes. Absolutely, yes. Wow. I mean, I think it's very important for people to hear that this method is used in business context when money is on the line or in the case of Mount Vesuvius so

that another Pompeii doesn't happen. You know, lives are on the line. >> Yes. So, this is a a tried and true method, Doppler tomography, because it's really funny, man. Like, even in preparing for this interview, you can chat GPT, you know, your finding under the Khufu pyramid? The response you get back is synthetic aperture radar can't penetrate below, you know, a quarter of a centimeter below the earth. They don't even mention the Doppler tomography, which is used in all these other contexts. So, it's it's just bizarre. Like like I don't know

why. I don't know why either, man. It's a Yeah, okay. So, that's really helpful that it's used constantly. And I think it's important for people to understand your background as well. You do some work with the Italian military that's classified. You can't even speak about it, right? So, it's clearly useful to them because they don't want anybody talking about it. Should I not even be asking about that? Okay. I won't I'm just saying the fact that you do it or you're not supposed to say it. Okay, sorry. I mean, in the US, like you can say like, I do work. I just

can't talk about it. But you don't even want to say that you do the work. Okay, okay. Forget it. Um what was your motivation in the first place to even look below the pyramids? You know, how you know, did you have a hypothesis? Like I mean, most people wouldn't even think that there might be something there. thank you for this question. Um the first thing I did is to move on Vesuvius because I had been in my consciousness to make something for

humanity. So, the first thing is okay, let's see what is happening what is happening um under the Vesuvius. And I wrote a paper. It was very very nice paper and together also with uh the National Research Council of Italy. Because we we um we we have synchronized the data coming from in situ seismograph with the radar

data and match them together. It was I suggest to read the paper. It is very nice. It is open source also everything is open source. And here I can say it's it's it's in my article or not. It's in my book. It's in my article. So and then after writing this or something um no money only for humanity and continuing this paradigm only for you humanity. According to my friend in 2019 Corrado

we decided to do something if if it was possible to scan inside the Khufu or Keops pyramid. And then we made the motivation. The motivation was Giza is I think the archeology the best archeological site in the world. There are a lot of things that in my personal opinion has to be discovered

and we are doing it. So we moved there because we were motivated very motivated to move in Giza because Giza is very important for humanity. And you You go over there. the past who we are who are we because in my personal opinion when they born we don't know who we are. We are here and we don't know anything about our past our history and who we are. Truly and it really Egypt is the center

kingdoms. Talking about their mapping to, you know, processions and to, you know, to to to Orion's Belt at the time of 10,500 when they think maybe the Sphinx was built. And you have subterranean chambers in that area as well. You have Zahi Hawass, the Minister of Culture, famously debating them and trying to suppress a lot of this information, but admitting that there are some chambers down there. He he even went down in certain cases and then it's often, you know, nothing to see here. Don't don't dig further, you know. So, it is it it is this. And then if you

think about Western civilization, the Greeks got a lot from the Egyptians. And the Egypt, you know, pre-Egypt, you have Sumeria, you have a couple of other cultures we know less about, but Egypt was far more advanced than a lot of, you know, what was preceding it. And so, it's this really interesting seminal place to look, I think. I I agree with you. In my opinion, they were they were far far advanced with respect to others. We can see it how they used to cut the

stones, very precisely, like that. I don't know if you you went in I went for the first time in the Serapeum of Saqqara. That's something very amazing. You see these huge how you say, not sarcophagus, they are sarcoph- let's call them sarcophagus, but they are not sarcophagus. Very precisely, very heavy. And so, the the first thing I I can say how they

built them, how they transported them in that site, we don't know anything about Yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, it's um you know, uh quartz from 500 mi away. You know, it's we don't know that how that works. We don't know how you get >> Also today it's it's a problem to transport to those heavy masses. Right. All all this all that distance from a part to another one. Even today it would be hard.

>> And it we're talking about, you know, 10 20 30 ton stones that it's it's just and and they do in some cases look like they were laid or something. They were like even modern, you know, techniques of civil engineering wouldn't be able to recreate, you know, some of these So, it's just it's just a really amazing. Like do you have, for example, like the pyramids? Do you have a good theory on how they were built? I will not a very very interesting question.

Personally, my own theory I don't have my own theory on to saying how they were built this those huge structure. Just to tell you, weeks ago I went for the first time in Egypt. So, I I appreciate in in in person those the pyramids. I went inside of the pyramids and I was very amazing for the first time.

huge structures, I don't know. I really I don't know. you know, the study that we did that we did. So, I'm saying this for me. People maybe people used to to to ask in their self how they could realize those those huge structure, no?

The techno- the technology that they to to to use for for this this pyramids. And if we consider also the structure that that is underneath, what can I what can we say about this? Mhm. What do you think? What can we say? I don't know. Yeah. Really, I don't Cuz Armando Mai, who you collaborated with, has some interesting ideas as to maybe the function of these these

have his work preceding the scans that you found? >> Yes. Where he's hypothesizing all this stuff and then you essentially find what looks like an energy grid. It looks like coils wrapping around these sort of charged possibly charged rods or something. That's what it looks like. >> Yes, I thanks a lot Christopher Dunn because he endorsed our research. So, I am very thankful to him because I knew him in person in person. He's

really wonderful wonderful person. And Yes, I I agree with him because I think he was the the first person that gave this theory about energy power plant or something related to information. Let's say information. You have a very fascinating hypothesis as to what the pyramid or theory as to

what the pyramid actually was. Well, my first book pretty much describes what I thought it was in 1998 which was a power plant. The book is entitled the Giza power plant. I describe it as an electron harvester. And I agree with what can I say personally? Personally, I can say that this structure, the tubes that are going below the earth, the pyramid uh are

something related to information. Information. From the stars? >> Why Why do you think information? Information because generating energy is a kind of Information is everything. I tell you. And in all this technical compound, there is in my

personal opinion an actor that it is always present. You know what it is? What? Water. >> Water. Water is it the principal actor that is related to all these structures. Mhm. What role Why do you say that? What role does water play in the pyramids? Water when flows maybe let's say on the on the pipes like that, it generates a certain

in terms of a vibration that is very Because water is the important stuff of life that is present on the earth very a lot, you know? The The earth is full of water. We are water. And so the pyramids and the water are connected together. And when you say generates information, I tell you. Yeah. You know that we are made of water. 80% or something.

I think more. Maybe more. It depends on how you are watching your percentage. Mhm. I tell you. In terms of mass of the molecules, I agree with you. But in terms of moles, it means number of molecules. Mhm. We are 98 or 99%. Wow. It means that that 1%

of number of molecules are have the weight of the 20% that you said before. Mhm. Okay. In terms of number of of molecules that is composed of our body, we are 99% of water. H2O? Yes. >> Wow. Yes. So that's it. That's very >> That's extremely interesting. Yeah. Wow. >> If you are seeing it in terms of mass, okay, that 1% of molecules has the mass

of the 20% of all the entire water composing my my my body. So, 80% 20% in mass, 99% and 1% in terms of number of molecules. And that's because of this power law where there's Yeah, how how do how does that work exactly? So, you have the the the the the mass has less small number of molecules than the water the water has more molecules. The 1% of number of molecules, it means that they

have a great weight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So, the proteins they I don't know other things that are composing our body. Yeah. It is 1% in terms of moles. Yeah. Number of molecules. It's interesting cuz there are all these studies. There's a guy named Gerald [ __ ] who talks about I suggest you to to read the studies of Giuliano Preparata Okay. and Emilio Del Giudice. They were two former professors at University of Milan. What are they What do they talk about?

Yes, they were the scientists that worked together to Fleischmann and Pons. Ah, yeah. So, Fleischmann and Pons for the audience who might not be aware were proponents of cold fusion. So, like low energy nuclear reactions and they claimed all these over unity results and then I think maybe they were sabotaged and you know, maybe some scientific suppression occurred, who knows. But so Oh, so so so they had a

connection with Fleischmann and Pons. Absolutely, yes. They studied under Unfortunately, they disappeared both because they were wonderful. Emilio Del Giudice and Giuliano Preparata. Does Does have to do with deuterium at Heavy water? You know, some of the low-energy nuclear people even now doing experiments say deuterium atoms are really important. >> Absolutely, yes. So, that's heavy water. And so, I wonder if there's some

connection between what you're saying. Cuz when I asked you, you know, how should we look into water? You mentioned these two Italian scientists. And then you mentioned the cold fusion thing. So, I don't Absolutely. It is very important. Cool cool fusion cool fusion is I I'm not interested in cool fusion, but I'm very passionate I have passion in cool fusion.

and they at they they transform in a helium atom. Releasing energy because a helium atom has a weight less than two hydrogen atoms. So, by different mass, they generate energy in terms of electromagnetic waves. Um this kind of

the atoms together or persuad- persuading them to be naturally connected. Hm. That's cool fusion is the second. You have to find a method to persuade to convince the two atom to go together naturally without forcing them. That's cool fusion. Hot fusion is the first one. But I tell you that hot fusion

the various talk data that they are hot fusion given by pumping energy designing very powerful laser. >> Magnetic confinement, yeah. I can tell you very sorry that is the energy of the It means

that we'll never find a present. Mhm. What do you mean? Well, if that's >> They doesn't work. It's the energy >> Uh hot fusion. No, I agree. I don't know it'll always be the future. I fully agree because uh it's it's always it's extremely hard to to make it work and it basically for the audience uh controlled fusion is the holy grail. We have only have fusion in the form of hydrogen bombs right now, which is obviously very dystopian thing. Yeah. And with Tokamak receptors, it feels like kind of like a

like a fool's errand or like almost self-defeating because of the amount of energy input to make the thing in the first place. And it it it is very high energy. And so there's the all these lower rumors of cold fusion. I'd say Pons and Fleischmann are probably the most credible of the rumors. >> Yes, I I think so, yes. Yeah. Because that would be this groundbreaking thing because you if you had an over unity unity reaction with low energy input it's like paradigm shifting for

humanity. It's free energy, yeah. >> And what do they find that Fleischmann Pons and also Giuliano Preparata and the new the giudice after? >> Mhm. It was how can we persuade two hydrogen atoms to go together? Because they there are the the atomic forces that the most you you you confine those atoms and they they are they they will never go together. >> Yeah, you have Coulomb's force, which is repulsion, electron repulsion. So, how

do you Persuade them. Okay. How do you do that? Like where are two people that they do not they do not talk each other, no? No, I don't want to talk to you. Yeah, yeah. So, maybe a third person comes here Yeah. >> and persuade you and me to talk together. Ah. And that third person was the atom of palladium. Mhm. Palladium is a special, let's say, material that it's

able to persuade two atoms of hydrogen to go together and become magically an atom of helium and the fusion reaction is done by palladium. And also electricity. So, palladium, electricity and electricity and this recipe allows the

cold fusion. There was problems about the quantity the amount of energy, no? That was very little, but if the from the '80s to now were performed, maybe today we can we can have better results with respect to the '80s when the when the first experiment of Fleischmann and Pons where was announced. Do you think that the pyramid was a nuclear fusion machine? Please give me another another question.

I don't know. What was the My my The more the more specific question would be when you were talking about water transferring information Yes. Where where does that leave us as far as what it could be? Like is there Is there >> My best sound will be a could be, but I say it uh Is there any evidence that palladium was involved and we don't know? As I tell you, you have to go down and see and explore what is in the really that

Giza What's the Giza? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't be tombs. They are not. Well, I think that it's funny like it used to be conventional dogma that they're all tombs. Now you have You had Graham Hancock for the last 30 years being like, "It's not a tomb." Now people are like, "Okay, maybe it's not a tomb." And so it's slowly slowly following, you know. Do you think that mapping to um Orion's Belt around 10,500 BC there's something somehow important with

that? Cuz if you if you basically Yeah, they do map to Orion's Belt. Orion's Belt plays a very important role in a lot of different different traditions. Even like Ptolemy, you know, said that the soul's path was through Orion's Belt. I asked Graham Hancock on my show. I said, "What do you think the pyramids were for if they weren't tombs?" And he gave me a very trippy answer. He said something about, you know, ascending through them. Like once you maybe a pharaoh has died,

they're buried there and then it's it's like an ascension portal or something. When it comes to the pyramids themselves lining up with Orion's Belt, Orion's Belt has has always across many cultures been the place of ascension of souls. >> Absolutely. It has It has here in in North America and and in Central America and in South America. The The path of souls. That idea that on death we our soul makes a kind of leap up to the heavens and then makes a journey along the Milky And that that journey is full of

challenges and difficulties on which we will be assessed for the use we made of the incredible gift of life. That idea is found all over the world. Do you Have you considered any of these things or am I that so we don't know? There is something that Giza has to be something that is related to give a better life of the people at the time living there.

So, maybe an energy powered plant, something related to chemicals, something related to I don't know, mining, something related but or a combination of everything. So, there is something that is related to make better live people there. And and and speaking of water, aren't there rumors of a water table also? Yes. Below the copper pyramid? Yes, below the Gabi

pyramid there is water. Absolutely, yes. Because we found water in the in the Osiris shaft at minus 33 37 m approximately. I don't remember precisely there is water. I have to in my personal opinion I have to say this, water cannot be everywhere. Mhm. Maybe we find water in the Osiris shaft, we move a bit on the left or on the right or on the north or on the south and there is not water. So, it's

not uh um mathematical mathematical that we find water everywhere in Giza. This is the first thing. Then I will explain you what the Khafre research project is moving on because it's related to the water. Yeah. Because as I told you water is the principal actor of Giza. Yeah. Well, before we get to that, I want to give you one one more the skeptics say you can't go that deep.

With Doppler tomography, we can definitely go 1,000 m deep, a kilo- kilometer deep. It's possible or >> Absolutely, yes. And we have in other >> Because the vibrations are traveling inside the limestone and 2 km, I don't remember, 2.5 km per seconds, something like that. >> Okay, well. >> Sorry if I make a mistake because I don't remember precisely, but the order is that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the the the the image that went viral all over the internet of the coils and the this like you said 4 by 4, you know, 16

pillars energy grid. Um The other critique It's four plus four, not times. >> Ah, so eight. >> Plus four eight. >> Oh, so eight eight pillars. No, all all good. So eight pillars, you know, in this shape of an energy grid. >> Yes. You have um Sabine Hossenfelder, there's this physicist. She's She makes this video. >> She is very nice. She was nice and she was, I think, pretty open-minded in her video. Mhm. But at the end, she said I think that the AI reconstruction of

the image is taking liberties um because basically for the audience, you have tomography scans, so that's the raw data. And then you have what went viral all over the internet, which is these image reconstructions. That's the the pillars with the perfect coils that everybody's seen. So it's beyond my expertise like do you think that that's a faithful rendition of what you actually measured? The the pillars with the coils? The shape is that. Mhm. The shape of the

Doppler tomography was recasting a spiral form. So we can't say that are I don't know copper coils or they are What we can't understand, we can't understand is this. We can't understand that maybe can be I don't know stairs that are going down. Or I don't know it's uh they are cables that are going down. What we understand is they have

it is a something that has a spiral nature. Yeah. But that's all. Wha- What are you like 100% sure it's man-made? Not it's We can't naturally 100% yes, it's man-made. Yeah. This I don't This I I can't Cuz you don't find things in nature that coil perf- in in perfect, you know, uh It's man-made. Okay. Okay. So that's easy to say definitively. You never see anything in any of your other

subsurface scans that look anything like >> No, no, no. Absolutely not. Okay. And then it's a question of what's the material and, you know, but you feel like you have some decent resolution. You think that it is these circular pillars? Yes. Something wrapping around it, for sure. >> Maybe it is hard to say which kind of material Yeah. is or for now, uh maybe if we have um

we can also understand the um acoustic fingerprint and maybe we can move into material uh recognition. Mhm. And that's what we are working now. Because we we we we like to move this technique for mining. Mhm. Uh today mining is very important. Also United States or other countries we need rare earth materials. We need the gold. Today gold is very important. You know,

we we see the gold price going up every every day. Why? Because uh in this moment, the technology is uh uh explo- exploding. We need uh earth materials for our devices because there is AI, because there is uh I don't know Nvidia that has to build a lot of Sorry, if I'm saying saying Nvidia or other other companies.

the graphic cards that are very powerful. So, we need uh earth materials. So, now we are moving further. Maybe in in some years we we'll be able to know which kind of material we are dealing. Mhm. But now not. I'm not ready. So, what we can say is, okay, in that part of of the tomogram we have high vibrational energy and there we have lower vibrational energy. The The peak thing The pixels we can represent

that the underneath has a spear on it. But we can't understand the type of material. And the the AI reconstruction for the image, are you using generic software or your own software? >> not AI. Okay. Oh, it's your own >> Yes, yes. And and that's your own software you use that in other contexts when you use Absolutely, yes. >> SAR Doppler tomography? In the scientific com- community it's called that it's called pseudo inversion of measurements. Okay. In order to retrieve

the tomographic analysis. Yeah, it's called the pseudo inversion. But but you you do this a lot over the course of a >> Yeah. And you feel confident because you've In the other cases, based on the software read, in certain cases you probably can go down and verify what you're seeing. And in those cases they usually check they usually check out they confirm what you see in the software. Uh you are speaking about the validation. Yes. Okay. Yeah, have you been validated in other cases?

>> We did a lot a lot of as a scientist, I have to validate, you know? How can I present my results like that, you know? It's not possible. uh, you know that validating things that are underneath is very difficult. Mhm. Yeah, but to go down is difficult. >> it's difficult. >> Yeah. But it's not impossible. Yeah. Have you done it ever? Yeah.

Uh, so this strategy that we have that we have made is this. where we know everything about it in a certain depth. Okay, let's move Let's move there and we try to perform tomographic inversion there so to see if our results are matching with reality. Have you done those experiments? Uh, yes. Okay. Have

you done a lot of them? Ecco, that's another point It's another point of view. I tell you it's very difficult to to do >> So, we did measurements of the Gran Sasso d'Italia physics laboratory. Okay. located inside the mountain. It's 200 km far from here. And we depicted the laboratory. Okay.

Uh, that's our measurements and the reality match. >> How accurate? Uh, 100% They match. >> 100%? Can Can Did you do it double blind? So, you didn't Can you explain me double blind, please? Yes, the way I would do the experiment in order to prove that SAR Doppler tomography is really effective is I would, if I were you, find somebody else who's a good practitioner of SAR Doppler tomography and who can who can get the scan somehow. I guess if it's you're using a satellite, using a

satellite. So I I don't know, you know, but like somebody who isn't aware like you that you're doing a test and you say, "Okay, get the tomography scans." >> And do it you. And then you create an image based on the tomography scans with your software. Yes. And then see if that matches cuz you already probably know what the the laboratory looks like, you >> I didn't do that. We didn't do it. Yes, yes, it is important. Yes, we have to do it. Yes. But >> We didn't do it. But it's still you've

done your own scans and it lined up with what you saw and then okay, so that's pretty yeah. Cuz I mean to me artificial intelligence is just pattern matching. So the more data you have, the more you're like, "Okay, I've mapped this and then I've also validated and seen it personally and myself physically measured it and it lines up." If you have, you know, a lot of instances of that, I think we can kind of say that there's definitely something here. So I just want to tell you this. >> Yeah. The rule of artificial

intelligence in our technique. Mhm. There is no tool. Because we didn't use artificial intelligence. Mhm. Okay. It's funny people keep saying it. Yeah. Let's forget artificial intelligence. I'll I tell you how it works. Okay. It works like that. We have measurements. Huh. Okay. Yeah. We have a model. And I tell you what's a model. And we we can if we have the

measurements and we have the model, we can pseudo inverse the model and so to retrieve the the the the result. Okay. >> The result are is tomography. Okay. It works like that works. Yeah. >> Measurements, model, results. Not artificial intelligence. The did the data just come from one satellite or from multiple satellites? >> Multiple satellites. For the Coffer?

Absolutely, yeah. And they both Four satellites. Uh no or Iceye, Capella Space, Umbra Space. Cosmo-SkyMed, four satellites. All four? Yes. Wow. And all four gave you the same raw tomography data? I got the results. They are there. That's amazing. That's really It is the basic the basic things. We cannot announce anything without these basics Yeah, yeah, yeah.

so instances of validation in other cases to show that structures that you are measuring actually look like what you think they do. Yes, I I I don't know We have measured that also the the Osiris shaft. Mhm. Which is well known as structure. The structure is well known. And the readings that you got in the synthetic aperture radar Doppler tomography matched 100%. Wow. Okay. So, that's pretty good. We don't have a double blind because I don't know what's the double

>> How deep down does that go? m the last one and then but the Osiris shaft goes down. Yeah. Try It goes down for For a while. I don't remember. Okay. It's okay. I don't remember. I'm sorry. No, no, no, it's okay. So, that's fascinating. I mean, that gives me a lot of confidence that there's something there. So, Filippo, what are the next steps of the Coffer project? The next steps.

Uh we are moving to uh completing all the We are completing. We are nearly finished. We have nearly finished it all the scannings. and now we are working on authorities. Mhm. in order to uh

uh some authorization to go in situ and do some measurements. Do you think that you'll get permission from the Egyptian authorities? Okay. You know we have this kind of uh saying like that that is mhm mixed with Latin. Chiedere umano est ottenere aut and diabolicum.

If I ask you something, if something is human, I can ask you something. But to obtain what I have asked you is another kettle of fish. Okay. So we uh we are working on uh compiling a project proposal. at the center. So me, Armando, and Corrado.

And we can work together with the Let's say, University of Ferrara. And maybe other uh companies that uh physically can uh work on Giza. So you want to get funding and work with an academic institution and then be able to to And do you do you think because historically and you saw it with Zahi

Hawass going on Joe Rogan, you know, very recently. I discovered I discovered I discovered I discovered now. close-minded, they're corrupt, their incentives are to basically force-fit any new finding into the country's own history and if something involves any civilization pre-dating that country,

they're going to have an allergic reaction to it. So, how do you get around that? I I'm dealing with that a little bit cuz I've done some stories in Peru and they're they're their own Ministry of Culture and they have gatekeepers as well and it's extremely frustrating. Um, and our mutual friend Jay has experienced that as well. So, what uh, yeah, what I guess how how how do you get around that? How do you get around the politics? I went to

2 weeks ago, as I told you before, I went in Egypt. I I found a nice country. Nice, very nice people. all of them are open-minded, but maybe they love the pyramids. They love the

we are not against them, but we are together. We are all together. It would be the best thing in the world for Egypt, for tourism, for national pride, if they found out that the pyramids had some elaborate substructure and some exotic functionality that we don't know of today. I mean >> Maybe we don't know, but maybe in a couple of years, yes. It would be a groundbreaking discovery, a revelation, and it would be the best possible thing

for Egyptian GDP in the world. It would be amazing. Like I can't think of a better scenario for them. And I tell you these times are we are ready to do it. >> Yeah, who knows? >> I like that attitude. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, the the the the water thing is so interesting. What what do you what do you think as far as you say water has what is that? I mean, obviously there's

a water table below the Khafre pyramid, but why why is that significant otherwise as far as the pyramid structure itself? It's important. Water table Water table While if the Egyptian authority will give us the authorization to go there in situ and make some measurements, make maybe make some cleanings on the existing

We are not asking to go inside of the pyramid, and I tell you I tell you maybe we are asking to go on the Giza I don't know you you remember when you went there the exist some existing shafts Mhm. that located between

the the Khafre pyramid and the the Sphinx. Mhm. There are some shafts Mhm. that are uh that has the the entrance on the surface of the plateau. Mhm. But when you go there, you can see that they are blocked by debris. So they are solid inside. And uh um according to our scouts, we are confident very confident that

those shafts shafts are connected to the ground facilities that are located below Giza. So it is not necessary to go inside the pyramids because the pyramids are something a bit more complicated something more complicated to have authorization. Maybe it can be simpler can be better to have authorization um uh staying on the plateau not going

inside the the the pyramids. Mhm. And there we can do a lot of things. Mhm. And the first the first thing that we can do is to perform in situ measurements so in situ measurements campaign using um seismic say seismic refractivity methods. Okay. Okay. Not Doppler tomography, other methods.

So maybe to to see if they match with my methods. Mhm. And in that context, we will be able to map very precisely the water level uh under the plateau. Mhm. personal opinion we can do. Then we can measure perfect and so match the in situ measurements with my measurements

and see how the depth of the existing shafts that are located on the Giza The third step can be to clean those shafts. We can clean them because now they are blocked by debris. There is also there are also other things like rubbish inside and those shafts. So this they has to be cleaned cleaned.

And while we are cleaning the shafts, we can go down down and down and see what there is at the end of them. In our personal opinion, that's a set the central a secondary entrance that connects the facility to the main facility that is located Do you think we can Do you think we can turn the power grid back on? I

would like that too. pyramid or Um it's so interesting. And I mean like a fusion generator? Does that Does he think that that that we could produce over unity energy from it? I Chris is very clear idea and I agree with him the plan the power the Giza Plateau is

related to electricity. Mhm. or something that is very near to electricity. Mhm. It's such kind of uh electron generator energy electrons. maybe it can be hypothesized that this as I told you water is a very important. Maybe the goes through the these spirals and the

spirals are made by piezoelectric material. >> Mhm. And while the the the water um flowing through the spirals are exciting this piezoelectric material that generates electricity. Mhm. Something like that to me. But it's only an hypothesis. Mhm. You have to go there and check. Mhm. Interesting. And does Don, is he interested in Pons and Fleischmann and

the We did We didn't talk about Pons and Fleischmann. Okay. About About this about that kind of stuff. But maybe the next time I will see him I I see him I will ask him about this. Do these two Italian scientists you mentioned who were kind of adherents to Pons and Fleischmann Do you think Do Do they hypothesize that the pyramids themselves have anything to do with nuclear fusion or

Unfortunately, I don't know. Okay. Because now they voted they disappeared so all. They disappeared? >> Yes. What What happened to them? Ah no, they they with us anymore. Oh, they they died? Yeah. Okay. But you said disappear I mean not in a mysterious way. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> No, Emilio Emilio Del Giudice I think in

Giuliano Preparata earlier. Okay. Okay. In the beginning of the 2000, I think, something like that. But, they are very They were very clever. Yes. Armando Mai, who you have worked with and and we just discussed for a little bit. He has very like esoteric ideas, it seems. Like he talks about the number 237, then he talks about >> 137, no? 1 Oh, was it 137? Sorry. What profound mystery lies hidden behind this number? For what reason did Richard Feynman, the great quantum physicist of

the last century, so stubbornly insist on suggesting to his fellow physicists that they should affix a small plaque bearing this number upon the walls of their laboratories and then meditate upon it every single day of their lives? Why did Leon Lederman, the 1988 Nobel laureate in physics, make a point of telling people he had lived in a house numbered 137? 137 in quantum physics is the ratio between the speed of light and that of

the electron orbiting the nucleus of the hydrogen atom. You surely haven't failed to notice the correspondence with the number found in the proportions of the second pyramid of Is it a coincidence? What do you make of his ideas and maybe for the audience, can you summarize them? Yes, Armando is a very uh very nice uh person and scientist

uh the number 137 is related to especially to Khufu pyramid. On the Khufu pyramid. Uh exactly, I don't know exactly his uh theories. And I I have his books, I have to read it. And I have to study his books. I think that uh I encourage him to go with his uh ideas because they are very interesting. Armando is a nice guy and

Uh, he will do a lot of things with us. What do you think of, you know, Ben Van Kerkwijk? He just went on Joe Rogan's show and he talked about this large labyrinth underneath the >> labyrinth, yeah. like Hawara region and uh talked about Herodotus and Pliny Pliny the Elder and like past historical accounts of this large chamber. These the stories of this Hall of Records and these rooms beneath the Sphinx go back thousands of years. Like I mean, just just not just the Arabs,

but also Herodotus and these other guys also talked about uh that whole area, the Sphinx and everything else being vastly more ancient even than the pyramids. Do you think there's anything interesting there? Uh, in some portion of the Giza Plateau, we found a mess in terms of tomographic reflections. Mhm. So, there are really something like a network of underground tunnels. Mhm. That because when you watch the

tomography, you you see everything projected on a plane. it is hard to have the third dimension inside the depth. And yes, there are there are a lot of The shafts that goes down are all Uh, and this difficult to for us to make a precise reconstruction of what that is

what is connecting the main shafts that are very visible one to each other. Cuz he he's claiming, I think, the labyrinth is like a half a kilometer or maybe more, maybe a kilometer like it's extremely big or something. What there is underneath there is very huge. Mhm. In in this context in Armando were

for Armando I think said for the first time that's the tip of the iceberg. The pyramids are the tip of the iceberg. It's just a hat. Mhm. >> To complete something that is located underneath. Ah, it's like a a little cherry on top of Yeah, yeah. The substance is below. Maybe that's only a charm and the measurements are showing that. Mhm. So interesting. What else did you So you finding these networks you know of tunnels and then obviously you have the

coils under Khafre. Are there any other findings? In this case I'm sorry I have to quote Chita also Trevor Gabb. Okay. Trevor. Because Trevor gave me for the first time the indication on the shafts of the shaft people he told me because he's asked that me not please explore the depth of the existing shafts that I told you the shafts located between Khafre and the Sphinx.

Because from there you can find the entrance to the to the underground under under under Khafre. because he is also making independent research. A bit far away but 100 m far away from these shafts and he found and he found a so-called corridor of rooms that from the surface goes underneath

and then it connects is constituted by a network of tunnels that are located underneath. Wow. Also he is studying this and he is 100% convinced because he he wants to go personally. Mhm. In the in the underground. In the

intercepting this network of tunnels. It's amazing. Is there anything that you've found besides the network of of tunnels? Like anything else you have this sort of Ah, yes. Yeah. Yes and I and I told you I told that these these things uh on the conference in Spoleto also and also in Malta. Um we had the conference there. The structures that are

that we found in Khafre we found that the same thing also in and also under the Sphinx. Wow. Ah, yes. Absolutely yes. >> You found the same thing? >> not uh 4 + 4 but in Menkaure 2 + 2 a smaller version of these things and in under the Sphinx only one cube going down. So they are all connected. Mhm. So

Giza Plateau is not constituted by the That's Menkaure, that's Khafre then Keops. No, it is something that has to be considered entirely. Yeah, it's a system. It's a network or So fascinating. What do you like how has academia received you know, these

To give an answer to this, giving an answer to this, academia is wonderful. Academia is very interesting because there are a lot of things that I learned thanks to academia. very diplomatic with academia. Because academia works you have an hypothesis, you make the and you explain why you had these measurements and then you do comparison

with the reality and then you explain the errors. So this is a scientific paper, no? You start from an issue you perform the measurements, reality and the errors. Reality it means the state of the art. You have an issue an innovation, the state of the art and the errors. This is academia. that I agree because I am I I am 100%

thankful of academia because it is an institution and it is necessary study through the academia because academia give us a lot of tools, mathematical tools, the scientific tools and the physics that are behind things that we do. Also my techniques comes from academia because I studied I studied this entire architecture from And that's very important. When there is something new, we have to

be careful to announce things. So it is has to pass time to how you say to to realize that the things that we are claiming can be valid or not by the Which I agree. So, in this moment we are working on a scientific paper. The scientific paper

is, let's say, under review. Mhm. Is it peer review? Peer review, yes. Only peer review, yeah. Cool. Uh Do you have a timeline on when it might get accepted? I don't want to say something because it is a bit it is under review. Yeah, yeah, yeah. let's see what happens. That's exciting. Let's see what happens. Well, I hope I hope I hope it gets peer review. I mean, that would be very exciting. I don't know what happens. Maybe maybe

we'll be rejected. I don't know, but if we'll be rejected, we have to we have to know why. Yeah. If we'll be accepted 100% will be some revision to do. I don't If you If you're just saying these are the findings, I don't know how it can be rejected. If you're saying we used Doppler tomography in all these other cases that involve life or death or normal commercial business cases, so it's useful in the free market context

where people have skin in the game on it being useful. Uh and then you're saying we've done cases of validating that it works by going inside of a few things that we've Uh and then and then you're saying four different synthetic aperture radar companies measured this thing and you got this raw data, and then you have software that you use in other contexts to create images that invert the the raw data into an image. I Why would that get rejected? That seems super to me. I'm not I'm not a genius,

but that seems very simple and basic and obvious. I agree with you, but academia is very orthodox. So, they have um I think they're orthodox because of what everyone's saying about the implications of it. Because it's circulating the internet is everybody saying it's an energy grid and it's a and that's fun to speculate about and it could be true. But just the findings themselves are the findings. So, it's like I don't see how you can reject

>> We are proposing measurements. Let's see what happens. I don't know. Yeah. I just interviewed this Swedish astronomer named Beatrice Vial she's amazing and um she had a similar because she's traditionally credentialed like yourself. You know, she's well respected. She's at Stockholm University and um she's a physicist and astrophysicist and she went and the Palomar Observatory which is the basically the most prominent observatory in use in San Diego in California.

And from 1949 to 1957 so pre-Sputnik pre-satellites being in space she found >> Pre-Sputnik, yeah. she found all these transients that look like these like mirrors or like light reflecting objects. They they're not stars. They're not sun streaks. They're nothing else and they're pre-satellites and she found And where where are they located? These transients came from solar reflections at 42,164 km from the earth or somewhere there around. They're very interesting. Yeah,

I know it is. Pre-Sputnik. Pre-Sputnik. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so she's trying to find another observatory to see if she can line it up because people said that the spots she found are plate defects. But then she um uh basically like did a study of the these transients these these light reflecting objects and she looked in the earth's shadow. So, the earth's shadow you know, the Earth the sun pointing at the Earth and she wanted to see if there was a drop-off in the Earth's shadow, and there was a drop-off, showing that

they do reflect light, so they're probably physical objects. >> Yes. Because they reflect light. >> I would like to read about this. >> I will send it to you. But, it's another example of and this was just accepted by peer review. Oh, okay. And I I think, you know, my sense is that the people around her did everything they could to poke holes in it. Everything And there's It's weird. There's no one left poking holes. Sabine Hossenfelder did a video and she's like, "I don't know what to say. This is interesting." Brian

Keating, who's, you know, a very, you know, well-established physicist who normally plays the skeptical side, to be honest, he came out and he's like, "I find this very interesting. Maybe we should look for corroboration." So, it's an amazing time where people like Beatrice and yourself um can find these these, you know, bold, amazing things and and actually try to get get peer review. And I really hope you do get get peer review. To me, again, I'm you know, just thinking about it simply, but it makes a lot of sense to me. I

don't understand why it would get rejected. In my personal opinion, we we need a lot of time for review because uh I tell you, in 2022, I don't remember, 21, 22, we initially published a work peer peer review that is online now, but the the initial work that we made on the Keops pyramid didn't have this such of

media explosion on on all the world. Now, with the second paper, I know that the editor of the journal where we uh submitted the article will be very I don't know. Let's see what happens. I don't know. Yeah. Well, I'm excited. And I think if I were you, I would treat try to keep the claims as humble as possible. >> Yes. And just give an honest readout of

what you measured. Yes. Cuz I think it's hard to reject if you do that. I think if you insert some of the stuff we're having fun speculating but don't insert any of that stuff in the pyramid. >> the result. >> and result. In my opinion, academia is myopic and narrow and not very bold. And so they if you do that, then they'll reject it. But just keep it super narrow. That's your way. That's the way in. Um well, I'm so excited, man. I'm so excited. Do you think that we'll be able to make progress in our lifetime on

really understanding what the pyramids are for? Do you think Do you think that what we discover through your work and maybe the follow-up work in the coffret project will wholesale overturn our understanding of the pyramids and maybe reality itself? Maybe yes. important to say. Time is uh is important to stand the ideas that we

have to consolidate the ideas that we I tell you that the technique that we are using now is everyday improving in terms also of also in terms of um Precision. Precision and the opinion, yes. We can Maybe we the final proof is to go there and

watch. Let's see what there is. We go we have to go inside. cuz I think it's really important for for the world to just understand both our past from a placing humanity in a specific context, but also technologically who knows what it could You know? >> Maybe 2026 will be a year where if we begin to to perform in situ

we will know really more with respect in terms of information about the pyramids with respect to now. If we will be able until the end of this year to submit to the Egyptian authorities a project proposal having a So, without going around so focused on

um specific topics. In my personal opinion we will have an authorization. Why not? Why not? Why not? Well, that's exciting. If we have an authorization if we will have an an authorization maybe we can find excited exciting things. Who knows? My prediction is you will find exciting things if you're given authorization. I think it you know, it's to me the more

bigger question is will you be given authorization? I think if you find if you get authorization I think you're going to find something very interesting underneath there. Because if you can't explain the way you described it the just the hat or the the little you know, the tip of the spear the tip of the iceberg. And that is a literally a >> world wonder. Like we don't understand it at all. We don't understand how it's built. There are debates about how it's built. If we don't understand that, then and you're telling me that that's the

tip of the iceberg and that there's this whole network underneath it, oh my god. I mean the contribution to humanity and I I hope Egypt is able to see just how special that is. Well, you have to promise to let me and Jay come and film will be the first to film. Oh, let's go. Maybe we can get Joe Rogan out, too. Well, it's it's an honor and to speak with you.

>> hello also to Jay. Yeah, what's up, Jay? Project Unity, go. Check that out. Subscribe. Um yeah, no, I'm I'm I'm just so excited. And it does feel like these sort of discoveries are speeding up. I don't know why. I think people are kind of waking up, you know, collectively to some of these ideas, becoming more open-minded. And um yeah, thank you for being bold because I know you come from more of a you know, a traditional engineering background. Yes. And to be able to speculate about these things isn't so easy. Actually, before

we go, we were before we were rolling Yes, I have to tell you also Yeah, yeah, tell me, yeah. what we did Yeah. It is absolutely inside the scientific compounds. Mhm. Because we did the measurements. Yes. They are scientifically approved. So, we didn't do nothing exotic. Yeah. Maybe we need to do a double-blind It has to pass time. No, but to me it's like using an electron microscope or

mass spectrometry or something and and just saying, you know, we found these isotope ratios and then people are like well, what do you mean you found those isotope ratios? Well, it's like we use this machine in a million other contexts, they work, and then here it works, and we found this thing. You're telling me that Doppler tomography is used in all these other contexts effectively for commercial and you know, I'm sure it's used for defense, that's me speculating. So, it's if that's the case, Why not? why not? Yeah. Yeah, why why would this be any

different? Like, it's just an instrument that we know it works in all these other So, it's miraculous. What One of the things is we were before we were rolling, we talked a little bit about this idea of extended electrodynamics and um scalar physics. And some people have hypothesized that uh some of these ancient structures involve kind of acoustic resonance, but also um maybe maybe tap into a more exotic kind of version of electromagnetism than the typical transverse Hertzian wave. Do

you think that's possible? Have you explored that at all or I never explored explored this, but uh it does it doesn't mean that uh I maybe I will never do it. Mhm. Uh if you ask me what is a scalar wave, I don't know. I don't know. I I I can't give you an answer because I um studied this kind of topic.

that it it does not exist. Yeah. In my personal opinion, all people, academic, not not not academics, everyone, we are we have to be Uh in the in the '15s, when Um, an Italian

called Guglielmo Marconi who invented the radio. We are now today with these nice things on the internet thanks to Guglielmo Marconi. And this is what I'm saying. It is exactly the example that we are living today. But we are today we are we are saying this. wanted to perform a huge experiment.

So, can I connect So, a huge distance. >> Across the Atlantic. Yes, where across the Atlantic, no? And can I transmit a some information from one part to the other one without cables only using electromagnetic waves? He He was sure about this the success

that that he he he will succeed the this experiment because he felt it inside the the heart. All the academia I am saying nothing about the academia. It's not something against the academia, no. Only to explain you the fact that is now history. All the academia was saying no, Marconi is doing something wrong

because it will never go. It will never be okay this experiment. Will never work. Because the transmitting antenna and the receiving antenna were not in line of said that the electromagnetic waves are only transmitting in line of sight. It means that I have to watch physically

the transmitting and the receiving. And so, why he is doing that? Maybe because he wants to waste money. Because it will never work. this because it's history. It was maybe Poincaré.

And so, the journalist from the academia used to go to to Marconi and ask Marconi, "Marconi, the academia said said that your experiment will never work." Don't worry. Don't worry. Follow me. Don't worry. Uh when the day when the day arrived for doing the experiment, How do you say the Morse signal? The Morse signal

from the transmitting uh source was transferred immediately to receive to the receiving source. It It go It worked. Why? Because there was the so-called via the third uh solution. Mhm. So, from one side, the theory of Maxwell Mhm. said that this experiment

couldn't work. Because the Earth is a sphere, no? And so, Yeah, it's like a laser pointer. It be >> Earth. Yeah. On the other side that he didn't study. He didn't study. He wasn't a scientist, nothing. He thought in his mind wrongly that electromagnetic waves followed a

curved path. Right. That's not possible. Wrong. He was wrong. So, the academia that studied was saying that the the the the experiment will never succeed and they were because they studied. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he that what what a mess, a scientific mess. Because nobody or or the academia and Marconi knew about the third via. He had

And what was the third via? The present of the ionosphere. ionosphere. Conductive ionosphere. So, the wavelength that was transmitting casually it was interacting with the ionosphere and so the electromagnetic wave according to the max theory made like that and like that directly to the

receiving and so it worked. It's amazing. And this That's that's an incredible story because he was right, but he didn't even know why he was right until after he figured it out. It's amazing. And Marconi flunked out of school. He flunked and none of his professors took him seriously. And yeah, and he even >> This the world. So, everyone has to be open-minded. Of course. Well,

electromagnetism in general came Michael Faraday was early 19th century. He was a poor bookbinder in South London who knew nothing and he just kind of like had revelations about some of this. >> his heart inside. Absolutely. It was a part of him. Clearly and Tesla had all of these speaking of scalar physics. He had all these ideas of where electromagnetism in its current form even with his update of alternating current over over direct current

vis-a-vis Edison even beyond that he was talking about wireless instantaneous transmission and his experiments at Wardenclyffe that were sponsored by JP Morgan. I think if you were to if you were alive today he would say you know his experiments barely scratched the surface of what he thought the potential for electromagnetism actually was. the point is just like Einstein is housed within you can find Newton with also Einstein Yeah, yeah. At

the at the at the time when he developed the special relativity he was saying that time is relative time is changing and it is and it was an erratic thinking. Yes. But it was success what he was successful. So in this context everyone has to be of us has to think >> Heretic it means

heresy it means in Italian in Latin it means to be free. Free of mind, okay? Absolutely. Libero libero come l'aria the air heretic the air it's free. The whole the whole history of science is the history of heretical thinking moving science forwards and scientific paradigm shifts occur when there's a build-up of anomalies and then the kind of damn breaks. So, and and and each theory Let's say I love the Marconi example

Newton was right, but he didn't know why he was right. Einstein was more right than Newton and his theory, there's going to be somebody who's more right than Einstein about his theories. And the idea that this is the end of history and the end of physics is the biggest fallacy of like, you know, that we know everything. And it and it occurs at every generation. Every generation we say we know everything and then somebody figures something out and they're always the heretic. >> know anything. That's right.

>> Not everything. And if you can't find somebody who is not part of the conventional body of knowledge who you agree with, you're almost guaranteed to be on the wrong side of history because that's the person who's going to bring The trick is finding the right person who's, you know, and that's hard, but you know, I couldn't agree with you >> It's funny, you know, you know, 2 days ago I interviewed Marconi's grandson. Ah, very nice. And it's really trippy, but um he said that his grandfather was part of

a secret cabinet for Mussolini to study and it was called RS 33. In 1953, the Italian government set up group secret research 53 cabinet where Marconi was the chair, was the president and Enrico Fermi was the vice president and they made some searches and studies on this phenomenon because 1953, they say that in Varese, in north of Italy, there was some apparitions of

so-called UFOs. Hm. So, in Magenta, Italy, or do you know where >> Varese, it's north east Italy. North east, yes. Varese, it's north of Milan in Lombardy. Between Lombardy and um Venetian land. And it was fascinating. >> He told me that personally, like and he's a prince. I was I was like this is amazing. So, it's funny you brought him up, but yeah, it's so I I will see that interview. Yeah, yeah, you'll see it up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, but I'm just you know, amazed by it. But yeah, I agree. I think that go for it. I I'm not saying that the this experiments that we did on Giza are esoteric experiments, heretic. No, they are orthodox. Yeah. But it is a different way to watch Why? Why not? So, it is inside the academic compound. Well, 100%

The the point I think you're making is like when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And when you're you're an archaeologist and you see a structure, you just say, "Oh, it's a pyramid. There are pyramids in other parts of the world. That's just this structure." And then you come up with some lame you know, justification for why it was built. You come up with some reasons that are kind of inadequate as to how they were built, but you're force fitting your own priors onto the the observation. And you have

people like Christopher Dunn who's done all this work on just engineering anomalies with the thing itself. And then you're contributing with this, you very clear scan of what's underneath the pyramid. And all of these things don't look like normal modern architecture. So, the idea that it's just some ancient, you know, tomb is so obviously coming from our own false preconceptions based on modernity. It's not based on a, you know, unbiased reading of what's happening. Yes.

So, I would bet on, you know, I'd bet on I hope your team really figures this out and it's it's exciting. It's a really exciting time in history. I think that we have to result. Yeah. Maybe in my that's on opinion on humanity is ready to go there and to go and see what there is down down down there because there is sand. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, you know, um Luis Walter Alvarez, who was really important for the American atomic

program. He's depicted in the movie Oppenheimer. And he was very high up in the Manhattan Project. You know, he x-rayed the pyramids in the '50s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, it's been a subject of long-standing interest like even from like an official American government perspective for for a long time and And how did how he x-rayed? >> I don't know exactly. Yeah, it it look but it's it's online. You can look at it. Ah, okay. Yeah. It had to use a huge amount of energy in order to penetrate the mass of the pyramid. Yeah, I guess

so. And I think did there was maybe a like a muon a muon detector? Yes, yes, yes. In fact, we have to speak also about the Scan Pyramid project because there is not only the the Giza project there is also much more time with respect to us. The Scan Pyramid project. Scan Pyramid project is using muons which are subparticles that are emitted

from the university. They they they go to the pyramid and they intercept some how you say detectors. So, the muons impress the detectors and carry the information about voids existing between the top of the pyramids. Why they they go through the pyramids like that. Mhm. Yes, the DISCOVERY Project is well known research group.

They are using another physics. We are using acoustics. They are are using a sub-particles and maybe let's see if we can reach them. So, be in contact with them. Maybe we can or work together or share our results. No, because now we are in in competition. But if we are in competition, we are we have to work together, not in No, the way you have to think about it is

it's you guys against the world. It's not you against you know, it's like it's amazing for everybody if we can figure out anything here. So, and we're up against kind of establishment forces. So, you know, the um the the in the the muon detectors, that that's specifically for mapping the chambers inside of the pyramid. Is that right? Yes, I tell you, collaborate together. There is a difference between the the

methods that we use and they use. Because we scan from the space from the So, from the space we we can scan underneath. They use the space particle to scan what there is between the pyramid and where they locate physically the detectors.

It means that uh for us is not a request to go physically to locate the the detectors. Our detector is the surface of the earth. In my personal opinion, we work better with respect to them because we can detect things uh where never a human went underneath. Their technique is different because they have to go physically

somewhere and so they will retrieve a tomography between the surface and where they locate the detectors. We I am hypothesizing this and I I will share this uh information. Yeah. If we perform a a joint project, so a a project together and if we will we will be able one day

to go inside the shaft and maybe an horizontal uh tunnel uh constituting the network of tunnels that is that there is underneath, the scan pyramid project can locate their detectors inside the tunnel in order to retrieve what there is up up to there. I don't know if I am explaining Yeah, you'll use them in conjunction. You'll put the muon detector there.

There and so they can scan. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> to work together. >> Yeah, yeah. Don't have to be separated, but work together. Yeah, very cool. I love that idea. Well, on that note, uh Filippo Biondi, I I this is an absolute honor and a pleasure and uh I really wish you good luck because I think what you're doing is very important and uh honestly, I didn't you know, I was very compelled uh by what was circulating online, but there were a couple of things that even I was

didn't know or was holding out judgment on and after this interview I'm I'm pretty you kind of convinced me on a lot of it. So um I'm I'm very I'm very very excited and thank you for doing this. Appreciate