Meet the Scientist Who Scanned Beneath the Pyramids

approximately over 1 kilometer of depth over a kilometer of depth. [Music] Do you think that the pyramid was a nuclear fusion machine? Please give me another another question. I don't know. Maybe the water goes through the these spirals and the spirals are made by PZO electric material. You think we can turn the power grid back on? But we do like that.

I'm here with Filipo Bondi who shocked the world with a discovery earlier this year. You really did. I think it's one of the most interesting findings in the last century and I don't know exactly what it points towards. I hope you can help you know uh uh elucidate make clear uh what it does today and what what your methodology was. But you detected through this synthetic aperture radar Doppler tomography this really exciting new technique what seems to be like a it looks like an

energy grid below uh the cafra pyramid on the Giza plateau and uh there's a lot of controversy you have Zahiwas who's this cultural you know minister of culture there former minister of culture and he says you know it's fake news and there's nothing there and then you have a lot of people supporting you saying that you know There actually probably is something underground. Obviously, that whole area is full of subterranean chambers. So, it's an honor to speak with you today. I'm very excited to to get to the bottom of this here in uh beautiful Peruja, Italy. Thank you

synthetic virtual technique and I shared to the group so to and to everyone to everyone and so to perform the scamming at the Giza plateau I want to start with the most like to the point question and then we can back up and figure out how we got there. What in your opinion in my opinion say say a a gun was to your head you had to just guess what what do you think is underneath the conference pyramid? Okay. Yes. Thank you for this question. The answer is very is a bit difficult

for me to give to give you an answer a precise answer because uh the truth we will know the truth only if we go inside physically there to check what there is exactly. Now what we can say that we have measurements measurements physical measurements that are acoustic measurements and uh this we performed these measurements as you announced before using a synthetic virtual radar. Then we will speak about the synthetic virtual radar and how we arrived to uh perform these

measurements. We are uh considering tomographic analysis on first of all uh we we began this analysis on uh uh the great pyramid of chaops. uh and then we moved on the cafra pyramid and then and uh extending all the measurements uh the measurements on all the Giza plateau. So what we are watching we are watching uh huge structures that are connected to the base of the cafrey

pyramid and these structures goes are extending underneath for um let's say t and t of meters uh approximately we have measured uh approximately over 1 kilometer of depth over a kilometer that. Yeah. Wow. So over a thousand meters. And uh what do the structures look like? Yes, the structures

connected and goes inside. Wow. also because uh then I I explain you why and all the physics that is behind this all these measurements and uh uh obviously we don't know the exact um uh objective of these things. What we what we know now is this there are these structures tubes huge tubes that

are descending underneath and we have noticed that these tubes has a sort of spiral nature. M so they they uh spirals around theirel going down and then we have noticed that each tube has a core in the center which is um that um let's say connects the uh the spirals no and this core the

sh down. So just to be clear the physics uh behind all these uh all this work that we have done uh we have used an equipment or a device let's say a device a payload that is called a radar. Uh radar is an acronmous that it means radio detection and ranging. So we detect things uh uh remotely

and while we detect things we can also measure a distance. This is a radar. Uh in the in the past the radar was uh installed on board the ships maybe to know for safe safety navigation or on board aeroplanes but today they are also on board the satellites and um of course the technology advanced and radar became synthetic a virtual radar. Why synthetic aperture radar? because uh we need um the we need to perform um pictures electromagnetic pictures of the earth it require

the image of the radar. So synthetic aperture data it means that we synthetize a very long aperture in order to have very high resolution on there. We are talking about submetric resolution maybe a pixel can be of this dimension of of this square that is on the floor. So it is very important. Yeah it's like a quarter of a meter right or yeah it's pretty strong resolution. And there there are companies like ISI and and others that uh do all sorts of work when it comes to synthetic aperture

radar. They have you know Umbra, Capella Space, which I think are responsible for some of these scans are very credible companies that do work in defense and commercial applications as well. Yes. Okay. They are um there are the the companies that you uh that you said uh they yes they are American Cabella space and also ICI is an Eurobian company. We have Cosmos Ket and Cosmos Ket second generation which is an Italian company uh affiliated to the Italian space agency. So we have

a lot of equipments, a lot of radars and we used data uh um produced by these satellites to perform the uh scanning on JA. And so radar backing up is just bouncing radio waves off of physical objects. Synthetic aperture w radar is a way to do that with finer resolution essentially. And and so how does that work exactly? I have to tell you this this that is very important because initially

when we announced this discovery there was a lot of mess in terms of scientific information. So misunderstanding a lot of misunderstanding radar synthear cannot penetrate the earth. So electromagnetic electromagnetic waves has also has only superficial interaction. According to the Maxwell theory according to the past uh physics classical physics the interaction

of electromagnetic wave is superficial. Maybe you can have u a bit of penetration but very very few uh cm of penetration. Um in this case we have used we have developed a new technique which we are able to detect the superficial vibrations of the earth. Why? Because

um vibrations penetrates the earth. It means that photon and phonon and phonons which is the quanto in uh of light of electromagnetic waves and the quanto of vibrations. So photon and phonons are separated by something called boundary. It means that light propagates only in the free space and not in the matter. Phon propagates only in the matter and not in a free space.

M so in order to comi to combine these two we have we we uh tried and we successfully combined the two informations given by the photon and by the photon where we have both of them try to guess where we have both of them in the intersection at the boundary and at the boundary we have the information of the photons and the phonons we have the interaction of them And there we were able to

uh retrive the so-called sufficient statistic in order to perform tomographic inversion and so to go deeply inside the earth. So this is something that we have developed two years ago and this is new and at the beginning people were not uh you know it is was something new. So it had it had to pass uh some time in order to realize that this was possible is some is something penetrating

the earth. So in the case of radar like you said it's reflecting off the earth's surface pretty much superficial. What else is penetrating the earth to even gather the data on the structures? I tell you this, the satellites flies in the in the space on a velocity of approximately 7 kilometers per second. It means that in 1 second the satellite has flight flow 7 kilometers.

Then this high uh speed, this high velocity permits the RER to synthetize a very generous Doppler bandwidth. Doppler it means that uh the electromagnetic waves that we transmit and receive are frequency modulated by the movement of the earth. Okay. If the earth vibrates because of the presence of seismic waves, the presence of vibration due by the the cities,

the presence of vibration you by any natural um phenomena occurring on the earth while we are observing it by the radar, it means that the earth is moving and if this movement performs a uh frequency modulation on the returned the signal. Yeah. So this frequency modulation is proportional to the vibration. Yeah. We can grab the vibration of the earth and this

vibration that is located on the boundary has all the information of the vibration present in uh uh below the earth. According to this it was possible to perform an algorithm that um realizes tomography. Tomography it means I look insideos in um Latin it means slice. Okay. So we uh can

scan the earth according to slice that are located below the earth. a slice. Imagine to um uncharge a or to extract a vibrational slice from below the earth. And here you can see everything concerning the energy vibration on a certain depth. So phonon which is vibration conver converts to photon which

is basically a light packet which is the unit of an electromagnetic wave. The frequency modulation then goes to the satellite and allows you to read uh vibrational differences in the earth which is obviously uh you know kind of correlated with material differences under the earth and you can figure out the structure underneath the earth. Is that correct roughly? Yes. Okay. That's very interesting. And I think to maybe the skeptic out there, I imagine this is used in other cases,

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suppose for commercial purpose. No, because uh if when we are able to uh retrive the superficial um vibration of dirt in order to perform tomography, we can use this technique for maybe for mining, maybe for uh crude oil extraction, maybe for other kind of application that can be useful. Is it humans? Is it currently used for anything? Like I've heard that it might be used to map magma chambers and volcanoes. Yes, can be used for uh map the magma chambers of the volcanoes. that

in my personal opinion is very important to do this type of u facilities because I give you an example in Italy we have a very dangerous volcano which is the visubio that is located in Naples and uh from 1948 this volcano is not smoking anymore so it is accumulating energy oh wow and we know that I'm not saying that uh tomorrow will will erupt I'm not saying this but it has to be moni

monitoriized. I tell you Italy is very um um in here in Italy we are focused on that volcano. It means that it is very under um attention. M there are a lot of incid incidtoismograph radars are using the so-called interferometry uh which measures the displacement of the earth are always

uh also I do it uh on my work uh it is always under attention this other method can uh help uh scientist to um study volcan Absolutely. Yes. Wow. I mean, I think it's very important for people to hear that this method is used in business contexts when money is on the line or in the case of Mount Vuvius so that another Pompei doesn't happen, you know, lives are on

the line. So, this is a a triedand-rue method Doppler tomography because it's really funny, man. Like even in preparing for this interview, you can chat GPT, you know, your finding under the Confer pyramid. The response you get back is synthetic aperture radar can't penetrate below you know a quarter of a centimeter below the earth. They don't even mention the Doppler temography which is used in all these other contexts. So it's it's just bizarre like like I don't know why. I don't know why either man. It's a Yeah. Okay. So that's really helpful that it's used

constantly and I think it's important for people to understand your background as well. You do some work with the Italian military that's classified. You can't even speak about it, right? So, it's clearly useful to them because they don't want anybody talking about it. Should I not even be asking about that? Okay. I I'm just saying the fact that you do it. Are you not supposed to say it? Okay. Sorry. I mean, in the US like you can say like I do work. I just can't talk about it. But you don't even want to say that you do the work. Okay. Okay. Forget it. Um, what

was your motivation in the first place to even look below the pyramids? you know how you know did you have a hypothesis like I mean most people wouldn't even think that there might be something there yes thank you for this question the first thing I did is to move on vuvius because I had in uh in my uh consciousness to make something for humanity so the first thing is okay let's see

what is happening what is happening happening um under the Vubius and I wrote a paper was very very nice paper and uh together also with uh uh the National Research Council of Italy because we we um we we have synchronized the data coming from inctomograph with the radar data and match them together was I suggest to read that paper is very I it is open source also everything is

open source and here I can say it's it's it's in my article or not it's in my book it's in my article uh so and then after writing this so something uh no money only for humanity uh and continuing this paradigma only for humanity according to my friend in 2019 Kado Malanga We decided to do something um concerning if if it was possible to scan inside the um kunum kufu or

chaops pyramid and then we made uh the motivation the motivation was because uh Ja is uh I think the archaeological site in the world. There are a lot of things that in my personal opinion has to be discovered and we are doing it. So we moved there because we were motivated very motivated to move in jitsa because Jesus is very important for humanity and you go for the the past no who who

we are who are we because in my vessel opinion uh people when they born we don't know who we are we are here and we don't know anything about our past our history and who we are truly and it really Egypt Egypt is the center of the debate. If you if humans have collective amnesia and we don't remember who we are, Egypt is the center of the epicenter of that kind of discussion because you

And you have subterranean chambers in that area as well. You have Zahi Was, the minister of culture, famously debating them and trying to suppress a lot of this information, but admitting that there are some chambers down there. He he even went down in certain cases and then it's often, you know, nothing to see here. Don't don't dig further, you know. So it is it is this and then if you think about western civilization the Greeks got a lot from the Egyptians and the Egypt you know pre-Egypt you have Sumeriia you have a couple of other cultures we know less about but Egypt was far more advanced than a lot of you know what was preceding it and so

it's this really interesting seinal place to look I think I agree with you in my personal review they were they were far far advanced with respect to others we can see it how they used to cut the stones very precisely like that I don't know if you you went in I went for the first time in the cerapo of sakara that's something very amazing you see these huge uh um how you say not sarcophagus

they are sarco let's call them sarcophagus but they are not sarcophagus very precisely very heavy and so the the first thing I I can say how they built them how they transported them down uh in that site we don't know anything about those things yeah yeah it's um taking you know uh quartz from 500 miles away you know it's we don't know that how that works we don't know how you get

but also today it's it's a problem to transport those heavy masses Right. All all these all that distance from a part to another one. Even today it would be hard. And we're talking about you know 10 20 30 ton stones that it's it's just and and they do in some cases look like they were lathed or something. They were like even modern you know uh techniques of civil engineering wouldn't be able to recreate you know some of these things. So it's just it's just really amazing. Like

do you have for example like the pyramids? Do you have a good theory on how they were built? Very very interesting question. Personally my own theory I don't have my own theory on to seeing how they were built this those huge structure. Um just to tell you uh two uh weeks ago I went for the first time in Egypt. So I I appreciate uh in in person on those the pyramids. I went

inside the pyramids and I was very amazing for the first time how they built those huge structures. I don't know. I really I don't know. and um you know before uh uh the study that we did that we did so I'm saying this for me people maybe people used to to to ask in theirel how they could

um uh realize those those huge structure no the techn the technology that they used to to to use for for uh this these pyramids. And if we consider also the structure that that is underneath, what can I what can we say about this? What do you think? What can we say? I don't know. Yeah. Really? I don't know. because Armando Mai who you've collaborated with has some interesting

ideas as to maybe the function of these these pyramids. Yes, Armando. Um, we uh speak about this every day with Armando, with Colorado and we we speak also with Christopher Dana that has a lot of theories, no about energy plans or other kinds of uh purposes about the pyramids. In my personal opinion, now is time to stay allto together and work on a common purpose. We have to go and see

of this stuff and then you essentially find what looks like an energy grid. It looks like coils wrapping around these sort of charged possibly charged rods or something. That's what it looks like. Yes, I thanks a lot Christopher Dan because he endorsed our uh research. So I am very thank to him because I uh knew him in p in person. He is really wonderful wonderful person and um so I thank him. Uh yes I I agree with him because uh uh I think he was the the

I can say that uh this structure, the tubes that are going below the earth, the pyramid uh are uh something related to information. Information from the stars. I can't say anything about this. Why? Why do you think information information? Because um also generating energy is a kind of information. Information is everything. Uh um I tell you and in all this

uh technical compound there is in my personal opinion an actor that it is always present. You know what it is? What? Water. Water. Water is the principal actor that uh is related to all these structures. What role why do you say that? What role does water play in the pyramid? Yes. uh water when uh flows maybe let's say on the on the pipes like that it generates a certain uh information in

terms of vibration that is very precise because water is the an important stuff of life that is present on the earth very a lot know the the earth is full of water we are water and So the pyramids and the water are connected together. M and when you say generates information I tell you you know that we are made of water 80% or something I think more maybe more it depends on how you are watching

your percentage I tell you in terms of mass of the molecular I agree with you 80% but in terms of moles it means number of molecular we are 98 or 99%. Wow. It means that that 1% of number of moleculars are have the weight of the 20% that you said before. Okay. In terms of number of atom of

molecular that is composed our body we are 99% of water H2O. Yes. Wow. Yes. So that's that's very important. That's extremely interesting. Yeah. Wow. If you are seeing it in terms of mass okay that 1% of molecular has the mass of the 20% of all the entire water composing my my my body. So 80% 20% in mass 99% and 1% in terms of number of molecules and that's because of this power

law where there's yeah how how does that work exactly? So you have the the the the mass has less number of molecules than the water. The water has more molecules. 1% of number of molecules it means that they have a great weight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So the proteins, the I don't know other things that are composing our body. Yeah. That is 1% in terms of moles. Yeah. Number of molecules. That's interesting because there are all these studies. There's a guy named Gerald

Pollock who talks about I suggest to to read uh the studies of Juliano Preparato. Okay. And the de Judish were two former professors at University of Milan. Physics. What do they talk about? Yes, they were the uh scientists that worked together to fleshman and pawns. Ah yeah so fleshman and pawns for the audience who might not be aware were proponents of cold fusion. So like low energy

nuclear reactions and they claimed all these overunity results and then I think maybe they were sabotaged and you know maybe some scientific suppression occurred. Who knows? But so oh so so so they had a connection with fleshman and pods. Absolutely. Yes. They studied under because they they unfortunately they disappear both because they were wonderful de Judish and Juliano. Does does this have to do with dutyium at all? Heavy water. On this show, we talk about

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you know, how should we look into water? You mentioned these two Italian scientists and then you mentioned the cold fusion thing. Absolutely. It is very important coal fusion. Cold fusion is uh I I'm not interested in cold fusion but I'm very passion I have a passion in cold fusion. When uh two uh um hydrogen atoms are are connecting together and they uh they they transform in um helium

atom releasing energy because a helium atom is uh has a weight less than two hydrogen atom. by def different mass they generate energy in terms of electromagnetic waves. This kind of uh uh let's say union can be done or forcing the atoms together or persu persuading

them to be naturally connected. That's called fusion is the second. You have to find a method to persuade to convince the two atom to go together naturally without forcing them. That's called fusion. Hot fusion is the first one. M but I tell you that hot fion the various tok that they are uh designing or other kind of uh hot fion given by pumping energy um designing very um powerful

laser magnetic confinement. Yeah, I can tell you personally that is the energy of the future. It means that we'll never find the present. What do you mean if that's they don't work? That doesn't work. Is the energy hot fusion? No, I agree. I don't know. It'll always be of the future. I fully agree because uh it's it's always it's extremely hard to to make it work and basically for the

audience uh controlled fusion is the holy grail. We have only have fusion in the form of hydrogen bombs right now which is obviously very dystopian thing. Yeah. And with tokamac receptors it feels like kind of like a like a fool's errand or like almost self-defeating because of the amount of energy input to make the thing in the first place. And it it is very high energy. And so there's the all these lore rumors of cold fusion. I'd say pawns and fleshman are probably the most credible of the rumors. I I think so. Yes. Yeah. Because and that would be this groundbreaking thing

because you if you had an overunity unity reaction with low energy input. It's like paradigm shifting for humanity. It's free energy. Yeah. And what do they find at flesh pawns and also Juliano Barada and then near the judica after was uh how can we persuade two hydrogel atoms to go together because they there are the the atomic forces that the most you you com you confine those atoms and they

they are they they will never go together. Yeah. You have kum's force which is repulsion electron repulsion. So, how do you um persuade them? Okay. How do you do that? Like where are two people that they do don't uh they do not talk each other? No. No. I don't want to talk to you. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe a third person comes here. Yeah. And persuad you and me to talk together. Ah. And that third

person was the atom of paladium. M paladium is a special let's say material that it's able to persuade two atoms of hydrogen to go together and become uh magically an atom of valium and the uh fusion reaction is done by paladarium. Okay. And also electricity. So uh thearium, paladium,

electricity, the and electricity and this recipe allows the um cold fusion. There was problems about the quantity, the amount of energy. No, that was very little. But if the research from the 80s to now uh were performed, maybe today we can we can have better results with respect to the 80s when the when the first experiment of fleshmanet bombs were was uh announced. Do you think that the

pyramid was a nuclear fusion machine? Please give me another another question. I don't know. Well, was there my my more the more specific question would be when you were talking about water transferring information? Yes. Where where does that leave us as far as what it could be? Like is there is there been could be but I say is there any evidence that palladium was involved in we don't know as I tell you you have to go down and see and explore what is in really that ja what's

a ja because can't be tombs you know well I think that it's funny like it used to be conventional dogma that they were all tombs now you have you had Graeme Hancock for the last 30 years like it's not a tomb. Now people are like, "Okay, maybe it's not a tomb." And so it's slowly slowly following, you know, do you think that mapping to um Orion's belt around 10,500 BC, there's something somehow important with that? Cuz if you if you basically Yeah, they do map to Orion's belt. Orion's belt

plays a very important role in a lot of different different traditions. Even like Tommy, you know, said that the soul's path was through Orion's belt. I asked Graham Hancock on my show. I said, "What do you think the pyramids were for if they weren't tombs?" And he gave me a very trippy answer. He said something about, you know, ascending through them. Like once maybe a pharaoh has died, they're buried there and then it's it's like an ascension portal or something. When it comes to the pyramids themselves lining up with Orion's belt, Orion's belt has has always

across many cultures been the place of ascension of souls. Absolutely. It is. It is here in in North America uh and and in Central America and in South America. The the path of souls uh that idea that on death we our soul makes a kind of leap up to the heavens and then makes a journey along the Milky Way. Uh and that that journey is full of challenges and difficulties. uh on which we will be assessed for the use we made of the incredible gift of life. Uh that idea is found all over the

world. Do you have you considered any of these things or maybe that's what we don't know? Yeah. There is something the ja has to be something that is related to give a better life of the people at the time living there. So maybe an energy power plant, something uh related to chemical, something related to I don't know mining, something related but or a combination of everything. So there is

something that is related to uh make better living people there. And and and speaking of water, aren't there rumors of a water table also? Yes. Below the copper pyramid? Yes. Below the Gab P there is water. Absolutely. Yes. Because we found water in the in the Ozaris shaft at minus 33 37 m approximately. I don't remember precisely there is water. Uh but I have to in my personal video

I have to say this water cannot be everywhere. Maybe we find water in the shaft. we move a bit on the left or on the right or on the north or on the south and there is not water. So it's not um uh mathematical mathematical that we find water everywhere in JA this first thing then I will explain you what the caf research project is moving on because is related to the water. Yeah,

because as I told you, water is the principal actor of Ja. Yeah. Well, before we get to that, I want to give you one one more like the skeptics say you can't go that deep with Doppler tomography. We can definitely go a thousand meters deep, a kil kilometer deep. It's possible or absolutely yes. And we have in other cases because vibrations are traveling inside the limestone and 2 kilo I don't remember 2.5 kilometers per second something like that. Okay.

Sorry if I make a mistake because I don't remember precisely but the order is that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the the the the image that went viral all over the internet of the coils and the this like you said 4x4 you know 16 pillars energy grid. Um the other critique four plus four not times four plus four. So eight pillars. No all good. So eight pillars you know in this shape of an energy grid. You have um Sabina Hosenfelder is this physicist. She makes this video. She's very nice. She was

nice and she was I think pretty open-minded in her video. But at the end she said I think that the AI reconstruction of the image is taking liberties. Um because basically for the audience you have tomography scans. So that's the raw data and then you have what went viral all over the internet which is these image reconstructions. That's the the pillars with the perfect coils that everybody's seeing. So it's beyond my expertise. Like do do you think that that's

a faithful rendition of what you actually measured the the pillars with the coils? The shape is that the shape of the doper tomography was recasting a spiral form. So we can't say that are I don't know copper coils or they are uh we what we can't understand we can't understand is this we can't understand that maybe can be I don't know stairs that are going down or I don't know it's uh they

in any of your other subsurface scans that look anything like that? No, no, no. Absolutely not. Okay. And then it's a question of what's the material and you know, but you feel like you have some decent resolution. You think that it is these circular pillars? Yes. Something wrapping around it. For sure. It is hard to say which kind of material is or for now maybe if we have hundreds of tomographies with a ground truth we can also understand the um acoustic fingerprint

and maybe we can move into material uh recognition and that's what we are working now because we we we tried to move this technique for mining. Oh, today mining is very important. Also, United States or other countries, we need rare earth materials. We need gold today. Gold is very important. No, we we see the gold price going up every every day. Why? Because uh in

this moment the technology is uh explo exploding. We need uh rare earth materials for our devices because there is AI because there is uh I don't know Nvidia that uh has to build uh a lot of sorry by saying Nvidia or other other companies u the graphic cards that are very powerful. So we need a rare earth material. So now we are moving further. Maybe in in some years we will be able to

know which kind of material we are dealing but now not I'm not ready. So what we can say is okay that uh in that part of uh of the tomoggram we have high vibrational energy and there we have lower vibrational energy. depict depicting the pixels we can represent that they underneath has a spiral nation but we can't understand the type of material and the the AI reconstruction for the image are you using generic software or your own no my own software not AI okay

it's your own software yes and and that your own software you use that in other contexts when you use Absolutely yes s doppler tomography in the scientific community it's called it's call it the podo inversion of measurements. Okay. In order to retrive tomographic analysis, it's called the inversion. But but you you do this a lot over the course of a year and you feel confident because you've in the other cases based on the software read in certain cases you probably can go down

and verify what you're seeing. And in those cases they usually check they usually check out they confirm what you see in the software. Erh you are speaking about validation. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Have you been validated in other cases? Yes we do we did a lot of uh uh validation uh experiments a lot of because as a scientist I have to validate. No how can I present my results like that? No it's not possible. So uh you know that validating things that are underneath is

very difficult. Yeah. To go down is difficult. It's difficult. Yeah. But it's not impossible. Yeah. Have you done it ever? Uh so the strategy that we have um that we have uh made is this. We know that there there is a structure where we know everything about it in a certain depth. Okay, let's move let's move there and we try to perform tomographic inversion there. So to

see if our results are matching with reality. Have you done those experiments? Yes. Okay. Have you done a lot of them? Echo. That's another point. That's another point of view. Uh three or four experiments. Okay. I tell you it's very difficult to do. So we did measurements of the Grand Sasalia physic laborator. Okay. Uh located inside the mountain. It's 200 kilometers

far from here. And uh we depicted the labor. Okay. That's our measurements and the reality. How accurate? No 100%. They match. 100%. Can can did you do it double blind? So you didn't Can you explain me double blind please? Yeah. So the way I would do the experiment in order to prove that SAR Doppler tomography is really effective is I would if I were you find somebody else who's a good practitioner of SAR Doppler tomography and who can who can get the scan somehow. I

up with what you saw in the Okay. So that's pretty Yeah, because I mean to me artificial intelligence is just pattern matching. So the more data you have, the more you're like, okay, I've mapped this and then I've also validated and seen it personally and myself physically measured it and it lines up. If you have, you know, a lot of instances of that, I think we can kind of say that there's definitely something here. So, I just want to tell you this. Yeah. Uh the rule of artificial intelligence in our technique. Okay. There is not rule because we didn't use

artificial intelligence. M okay. It's funny people keep saying it. Yeah. Let's forget artificial intelligence. I I tell you how it works. Okay. It works like that. We have measurements. Huh? Okay. Yeah. We have a model and I tell you what's a model and we we can if we have the measurements and we have the model we can say to inverse the model and so to retrive the the the the result.

Yeah, that's amazing. That's really amazing. It is the basic the basic things. We cannot announce anything without these basics scientific methods and you've and you've done four four or so instances of validation in other cases to show that structures that you are measuring actually look like what you think they do. Yes. I I I I don't know. Um we have measured also

the the Osiris shaft. Mhm. Which is well known at the structure. The structure is well known. And the readings that you got in the synthetic aperture radar Doppler tomography matched 100%. Wow. Okay. So that's pretty good. We don't have a double blind because I don't know what's how deep down does that go? Uh 37 m the last one. And then but the osaris goes down. Yeah. It goes down for uh for a while. I don't remember. Okay. It's okay. Maybe. I don't remember. I'm sorry. No,

no, no. It's okay. So that's fascinating. I mean that gives me a lot of confidence that there's something there. So Filippo, what are the next steps of the Kafra project? The next steps uh we are moving to uh completing all the scanning. We are completing we are nearly finished or we have nearly finished all the scannings. Erh, and now we are working on

uh dealing with Egyptian authorities in order to uh to request uh some authorization to go in S2 and do some measurements. Do you think that you'll get permission from the Egyptian authorities? Okay. You know in Italy we have this kind of uh saying like that that is mixed with latin.

If I ask you something is something is human. I can ask you something but to obtain what I have asked you is another kettle of fish. Okay. So we uh we are working on um uh compiling a project proposal. Maybe the cafe research project can be at the center. So me Armando and Corvando and we can

work together with the university. Let's say University of Ferrara. No. And uh maybe other uh companies that uh physically can uh work on JA. So you want to get funding and work with an academic institution and then be able to to and do you do you think because historically and you saw it with Zahias going on Joe Rogan,

you know, very recently. I discovered I discovered I discovered I discovered now you just have these people in charge who are close-minded. They're corrupt. Their incentives are to basically forcefitit any new finding into the country's own history. And if something involves any civilization predate predating that country, they're going to have an allergic reaction to it. So, how do you get around that? I I'm

dealing with that a little bit because I've done some stories in Peru and they're they have their own ministry of culture and they have gatekeepers as well and it's extremely frustrating. Um, and our mutual friend Jay has experienced that as well. So, what uh, yeah, I guess h how do you get around that? How do you get around the politics? Good question. I went to um, two weeks ago, as I told you before, I went in Egypt. I I found a nice country,

nice, very nice people. Um I don't know if uh all of them are open mind but maybe yes. Um I found that they are very friendly and they love the pyramids. They love the pyramids. We um in my personal opinion uh we are not against them but we are together. We are all together.

It would be the best thing in the world for Egypt, for tourism, for national pride if they found out that the pyramids had some elaborate substructure and some exotic functionality that we don't know of today. I mean, today we don't know, but maybe in a couple of years. Yes. It would be a mbreaking discovery, a revelation, and it would be the best possible thing for Egyptian GDP. Yes. in the world. It would be amazing. Like I can't

think of a better scenario for them. And I tell you maybe this times are we are ready to do it. Yeah. Who knows? Yeah. Who knows? We are ready. I like that attitude. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. The the the water thing is so interesting. What what do you what do you think as far as you say water has information and what is that? I mean obviously there's a water table below the coffer pyramid but why why is that significant otherwise as far as the pyramid structure itself?

Yes, it's thank you for this question is important. Uh water table water table uh while if uh the Egyptian authority will give us the authorization to go there in situ and makes measurements may maybe make some cleanings on the existing facilities. We we are not um asking to go inside the pyramid. And I tell you, I tell you uh maybe we are asking to go on

the Giza plateau because on the Giza plateau there are I don't know you you remember when you went there the ex some existing shafts that are located between the the Cafra pyramid and the the sphinx. There are some shafts that are uh that has the uh the entrance on the surface of the plateau. Okay.

But when you go there, you can see that they are blocked by debris. So there is soil inside and um according to our scans we are confident very confident that those shafts shafts are connected to the underground facilities that are located below jet. So it is not uh necessary to go inside the pyramids because the pyramids are something a bit more complicated. It's something

more complicated to have authorization. Maybe can be simpler can be better to have authorization um uh staying on the plateau not going inside the the pyramids. And there we can do a lot of things. The f the first thing that we can do is to perform inc2 um u measurements. So in C2 uh measurements campaign using say seismic reflectivity methods.

Okay. Okay. Not Doppler tomography other methods. So maybe to to see if they match with my methods. And in that context we will be able to map very precisely the water level uh under the plateau. That's the first thing that uh in my personal opinion we can do. Then we can measure perfect

and so match the INCO measurements with my measurements and see how the depth of the existing shafts that are located on the Jiza plateau. The third step can be to clean those shafts. We can clean because now they are blocked by debris. There is also there are also other things like rubbish inside those shafts. So there they has to be clean clean it. And while we are

cleaning the shafts we can go down down and down and see what there is at the end of them. In our personal opinion, that's a service entrance, a secondary entrance that connects the the uh facility to the main facility that is located. Do you think we can do you think we can turn the power grid back on? We do like that too. Beam shoots out of the top of the pyramid. Um,

that's so interesting. And I mean how does does Dun think that this is like a a fusion generator? Does that does he think that that that we could produce over unity energy from it? Uh Chris is uh has um very clear idea and uh I agree with him that uh the plan the power the JA plateau is related to electricity or something that is very near to electricity.

a such kind of um electron generator energy electrons and uh maybe it can be um hypotized at this as I told you water is very important. Maybe the water goes through the these spirals and the spirals are uh made by PZO electric material. And while the the the water is

um flowing through the spirals are exciting this uh um pole electric material that generates electricity something like that mean but it's only you have to go there and check interesting and does Dun is he interested in pawns fleshman and the we we didn't talk about pans of fleshman about Fion reactors uh about this about that kind of uh stuff but maybe the next time I will see him

I I see him I will ask him about this. Do these two Italian scientists you mentioned who were kind of adherence to pawns and flemen do you think do do they hypothesize that the pyramids themselves have anything to do with nuclear fusion or unfortunately I don't know okay because uh and now they voted they disappeared so they disappeared yes what what happened to them no they they are not with us anymore oh they they Okay. But you said disappear. I mean not not in a

mysterious way. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. No judic 14 2015. Um Juliano Preparata earlier. Okay. Okay. In the beginning of the 2000 I think something like that. But they are they were very clever. Yes. Armando Mai who you have worked with and and we just discussed for a little bit. Yes. He has very like esoteric ideas. It seems like he talks about the number 237 and

he talks about 137. No one Oh, what was it 137? Sorry. What profound mystery lies hidden behind this number? For what reason did Richard Feineman, the great quantum physicist of the last century, so stubbornly insist on suggesting to his fellow physicists that they should affix a small plaque bearing this number upon the walls of their laboratories and then meditate upon it every single day of their lives? Why did Leon Lerman, the 1988 Nobel laurate in physics, make a point

of telling people he had lived in a house numbered 137? 137 in quantum physics is the ratio between the speed of light and that of the electron orbiting the nucleus of the hydrogen atom. You surely haven't failed to notice the correspondence with the number found in the proportions of the second pyramid of Giza. Is it a coincidence? What do you make of his ideas? And maybe for the audience, can you summarize them? Yes, Armando is a very very nice person and scientist also

he's uh he is convinced that uh uh the number 137 is related to especially to cafe pyramid on the caf pyramid exactly I don't know exactly his uh uh the theories and I I have his books I have to read it and I have to study his books. But uh I think that uh uh he I encourage him to go with his uh ideas because uh they are very interesting. Armando is a nice guy and uh uh he will do a lot

of things with us. What do you think of you know Ben Van Kirkwick? He just went on Joe Rogan's show and he talked about this large labyrin underneath like Hawara region and um he talks about Heroditus and Ply the Ply the Elder and like past historical accounts of this large chamber. These the stories of this hall of records and these rooms beneath the Sphinx go back thousands of years. Like I mean just just not just the Arabs but also Herodotus and these other guys also talked about

uh that whole area the Sphinx and everything else being vastly more ancient even than the pyramids. Do you think there's anything interesting there? uh in some uh portion of the Giza plateau we found a mess in terms of tomographic reflections. So there are really something like a network of uh underground tunnels that because when you watch the tomography you you see everything projected on

a plane. So it is hard to have the third dimension inside the depth and uh yes there are a lot of connections. The shafts that goes down are all interconnected and it's difficult to for us to make a precise reconstruction of what there is um what is connecting the main shafts that are very

visible one to each other cuz he he's claiming I think the labyrinth is like a half a kilometer or maybe more maybe a k like it's extremely big what there is underneath there is very huge. In fact, in this context in um was I think Armando that me and Armando uh for Armando I think said for the first time that's the tip of the iceberg. The pyramids are the tip of the iceberg. It's

just a hat to complete something that is located underneath. Ah it's like a a little cherry on top of Yeah. Yeah. The substance is below. My personal view I try the measurements are are showing that. So interesting. What else did So you mentioned finding these networks you know tunnels and then obviously you have the coils under kafra. Are there any other findings in this case? I'm sorry. Uh I have to quote ch also trevor graci. Okay. Trevor uh because Trevor uh gave me for

the first time the indigation on the shafts of the shaft. Uh he told me because he's exp that me not uh Philippo um please uh explore the depth of the existing shafts that I told you the shafts located between Cafrey and the the sphinx because from there you can find the entrance to the to the underground under under Cafra. Yes. because he is also uh making independent research a bit

uh far away but 100 m far away from these shafts. And he found and he found a so-called corridor of rooms that from the surface goes underneath and then it connects um the the top to the bottom and the bottom is uh constituted by a network of uh um tunnels that are located uh underneath. Wow. Also

he is studying this and he is 100% convinced because he he wants to go inside personally in the in the underground in the um interching this network of tunnels. It's amazing. Is there anything that you've found besides the network of of tunnels? Like anything else? You have this sort of Ah, yes. Yes. And I and uh I told you I told these these things on uh on the conference

in Spo and also in Malta. Um we had a conference there. The uh structures that are um that we found in Cafra. We found the same thing also in Manaware and also under the Sphinx. Whoa. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. found the same thing. The same not 4 + 4 but in man 2 + two a smaller version of this things

and in uh under the sphinx only one cube going down. So they are all connected. So the uh Jiza plateau is not constituted by the pyramids. That's many, that's cafred, then that's uh chaops. No, it is something that has to be considerate entirely. Yeah. It's a system. It's a network or something. So fascinating. What do you like? How has academia received you know these findings?

I have to be willing to give to give an answer to this. Giving an answer to this academia is wonderful. Academia is very interesting because there are a lot of things that I learned thanks to academia. It has to be something we have to be very diplomatic with academia because academia works. You have an hypothesis. You make the measurements and you explain why you had these measurements

and then you do comparation with the reality and you explain the errors. So this is a scientific uh paper. No, you start from an issue, you perform the measurements reality and the errors. Reality it means a state-of-the-art. You have an an innovation the state of the art and the errors. This is academia. So that I agree because I am I I am 100% thanksful of academia because it is

uh an institution and uh it is necessary to study through the academia because academia give us a lot of tools mathematical tools the tools and the physics that are behind things that we do. Also my techniques comes from a can because I studied I studied this interior virtual from a canaden and that's very important when there is something new uh we have to be careful to announce things.

Yes, only be review. Cool. Do you have a timeline on when it might get accepted or I don't want to say something because it is a bit um it is under review. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And uh let's see what happens. That's exciting. Let's see what happens. Well, I hope I hope I hope it gets peer review. I mean that would be very exciting. I don't know what happens. Maybe maybe we'll be rejected. I don't know. But uh if we'll be rejected, we have to we have to know why. Yeah. If will be achieved

or 100% will be some revision to do. I don't if if you're just saying these are the findings, I don't know how it can be rejected. If you're saying we use Doppler tomography in all these other cases that involve life or death or normal commercial business cases, so it's useful in the free market context where people have skin in the game on it being useful. Uh and then you're saying we've done cases of validating that it works by going inside of a few things that we've measured. Uh, and then and then you're saying four different synthetic aperture radar companies measured this

thing and you got this raw data and then you have software that you use in other contexts to create images that invert the the raw data into an image. Why would that get rejected? That seems super to me. I'm not I'm not a genius, but that seems very simple and basic and obvious. I agree with you, but academia is very orthodox. So they have um I think they're orthodox because of what

everyone's saying about the implications of it because circulating the internet is everybody saying it's an energy grid and it's at the and that it's fun to speculate about and it could be true but just the findings themselves are the findings. So it's like I don't see how you can reject that. We are proposing measurements. Let's see what happens. I don't know. Yeah. I just interviewed um this Swedish astronomer named Beatatric V Royale. She's amazing and um she is similar because she's um traditionally credentialed like yourself. You know, she's well

respected. She's at Stockholm University and um she's a physicist and an astrophysicist and she went and the Palomar Observatory which is the basically the most prominent observatory in use in San Diego in California from 1949 to 1957. So pre-sputnik, pre-satellites being in space, she found Sputnik. Yes. She found all these transients that look like these like mir mirrors or like light reflecting objects. They they're not stars. They're not sun streaks. They're nothing

else. And they're pre-satellites. And she found where are they located? These transients came from solar reflections at 42,164 kilometers from the Earth or somewhere there around. Very interesting. Yeah. No, it is. Press spotting. Press spot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so she's trying to find another observatory to see if she can line it up because people said that the spots she found are plate defects. But then she um uh basically like did a study of the these transients, these

these light reflecting objects. And she looked in the Earth's shadow. So the Earth's shadow, you know, you have the sun pointing at the Earth. And she wanted to see if there was a drop off in the Earth's shadow. And there was a drop off showing that they do reflect light. So they're probably physical objects. Yes, because they reflect light. I I would like to read about I will send it to you. But it's another example of and this was just accepted by peer review. And I I think you know my sense is that the people around her did everything they could

to poke holes in it. Everything. And there's it's weird. There's no one left poking holes. Sabina Hosenfelder did a video and she's like, I don't know what to say. This is interesting. Brian Keading, who's, you know, a very, you know, wellestablished physicist who normally plays the skeptical side to be honest. He came out and he was like, I find this very interesting. Maybe we should look for corroboration. So, it's an amazing time where people like Beatatrice and yourself um can find these these, you know, bold amazing things and and actually try to get get peer

review. And I I really hope you do get get peer review. To me again I'm you know just thinking about it simply but it makes a lot of sense to me. I don't understand why it would get rejected. In my personal opinion, uh uh we we will need uh a lot of time for review because I tell you in 2022 I don't remember 2122 we initially published a work per peer review that is online now but the

um the initial work that we made on the uh kops pyramid didn't have this such of media explosion on uh on on all the world. Now with the second paper I know that the editor of the journal where we um submitted the article will be very I don't know. Let's see what happens. I don't know. Yeah.

Well, I'm excited. And I think if I were you, I would treat try to keep the claims as humble as possible and just give an honest readout of what you measured. Yes. Because I think it's hard to reject if you do that. I think if you insert some of the stuff, we're having fun speculating, but don't insert any of that stuff in the pyramid. Holy measurement results. Because modeling results, in my opinion, academia is myopic and narrow and not very bold. And so if you do that, then they'll reject it. But just keep it super narrow. That's your way. That's the way in. Um,

well, I'm so excited, man. I'm so excited. Do you think that we'll be able to make progress in our lifetime on really understanding what the pyramids are for? Do you think do you think that what we discover through your work and maybe the follow-up work in the Coffra project will overturn our understanding of the pyramids and maybe reality itself? Maybe yes. Um uh we need time for continuing the studies. That's um important to say time is

uh is important to stand the ideas that we have to consolidate ideas that we have. I tell you that uh um the technique that we are using now is every day uh improving in terms also of um also in terms of um precision precision and the performance. Um so the answer is yes. Yes. Uh we can maybe the the

final proof is to go there and watch and see what there is. We go we have to go inside. Well, I hope you're given access to do that. Um because I think it's really important for for the world to just understand both our past from a placing humanity in a specific context but also technologically who knows what it could unlock. Who knows? You know maybe 2026 will be a year where uh if we begin

to to perform in CEDO exploration we will know really more with resp uh information about the pyramids with respect to now if we will be able uh until the end of this year to submit to the Egyp Egyptian authorities a project proposal and having um a a very focused very focused ideas on it. So

without going around so focused on um specific topics in my personal opinion we will have uh an authorization. Why not? Why not? Why not? Well that's exciting. If we have an authorization, if we will have an an authorization, maybe we can find excited exciting things. Who knows? My prediction is you will find exciting things if you're given authorization. So I think, you know,

it's to me the more bigger question is will you be given authorization? I think if you find if you get authorization, I think you're gonna find something very interesting underneath there because if you can't explain the way you described it, the the just the hat or the the little, you know, the the tip of the spear, the tip of the iceberg, the tip of the tip of the iceberg, and that is a literally a world wonder. Like, we don't understand it at all. We don't understand how it's built. There are debates about how it's built. If we don't understand that then and you're

telling me that that's the tip of the iceberg and that there's this whole network underneath it. Oh my god. I mean the the contribution to humanity and I I hope Egypt is able to see just how special that is. Well, you you have to promise to let me and Jay come and film it. You you will be you and Jay will be the first to feed Oh, let's go. Maybe we can get Joe Rogan out, too. Well, it's it's an honor and uh to speak with you. Say hello also to Jay. Yeah. What's up,

Jay? Project Unity. Go check that out. Subscribe. Um yeah. No, I I'm I'm I'm I'm just so excited. Uh and it does feel like these sort of discoveries are speeding up. I don't know why. I think people are kind of waking up, you know, collectively to some of these ideas, becoming more open-minded. And um yeah, thank you for being uh bold because I know you come from more of a you know a traditional engineering background. Yes. And to be able to speculate about these things isn't so easy. Actually before we go we were before we were rolling. Yes. And I have to tell you also.

Yeah. Yeah. Tell me. Yeah. What we did Yeah. It is absolutely inside the scientific compounds because we did measurements. Yes. That are scientifically approved. So we didn't do nothing exotic. Yeah, maybe we need to do a double blind check has to pass time. No, but to me it's like using an electron microscope or mass spectrometry or something and and just saying you know we found

these isotope ratios and then people are like what do you mean you found those isotope ratios? Well it's like we use this machine in a million other contexts they work and then here it works and we found this thing. You're telling me that Doppler tomography is used in all these other contexts effectively for commercial and you know I'm sure it's used for defense. That's me speculating. So it's like if that's the case, what's why not? Yeah. Yeah. Why why would this be any different? Like it's just an instrument that we know works in all these other cases. So it's miraculous. One

other thing is we were before we were rolling, we talked a little bit about this idea of extended electronamics and um scalar physics and some people have hypothesized that uh some of these ancient structures involved kind of acoustic resonance but also um maybe maybe tap into a more exotic kind of version of electromagnetism than the typical transverse Herzian wave. Do you think that's possible? Have you explored that at all or I never explored explored this but

uh it does it doesn't mean that uh I maybe I will never do it. If you ask me what is a scalar wave I don't know I don't know I I I can't give you an answer because I never um studied this kind of topic. Erh so but I am not saying that it doesn't that it does not exist. Yeah, in my personal opinion all people academic not not not academics everyone we are we have to be open mind we um

I tell you this we go in the past uh in the in the 15s 1915 maybe 1910 when um an Italian scientist is call it Gul Maronei who invented the radio. We are now today with these nice things on the internet thanks to Gulma Maronei and this is uh what I'm saying

it is exactly the example that we are living today that we are today we are we are saying this Gulmo Maronei wanted to perform a huge experiment. So can I connect um the Terranov Island with Cornovalia? So a huge distance across the Atlantic. Yes. Where across

the Atlantic? No. And can I transmit a some information from one part to the other one without cables only using electromagnetic waves? He he was sure about this the success the that he he he will succeed the this experiment because he felt it inside the the heart all the academia I am saying nothing about the academia is not something against the academia no only

to explain you the fact that is now east all the academia was the pain. No, Maronei is doing something wrong because it will never uh go. It will never be uh okay. This experiment will never work. Why? Because the transmitting antenna and the receiving antenna were not in line of sight.

And so Maxwell said that the electromagnetic waves are only transmitting in line of sight. It means that I have to watch physically the transmitting and the receiving. And so why he is doing that? Because uh he wants to waste money because it will never work. I can I can tell you that uh who was saying this because it's history it was maybe poare

professor rig academia and so the journalist from the academia uh used to go to to Marone and ask Marone Marone the academia said said that your experiment will never work don't worry don't worry Follow me. Don't worry. Not bad. Uh when the day when the day arrived for doing the experiment,

the they used to have the how you say the Morse signal. the MOS signal from the transmitting uh source uh was transferred immediately to rece to the receiving source. It it worked. Why? Because there was the so-called third via the third uh solution. So from one side

the theory of Maxwell said that this experiment couldn't work because the earth is a a sphere. No. And so yeah it's like a laser pointer. It would be offer. Yeah. on the other side um Maronei that he didn't study he didn't study he wasn't a scientist nothing he thought in his

mind wrongly that electromagnetic waves followed a cored path right that's not possible because it's wrong so the academia that study did was saying that the the the the experiment will never succeed and they were because they studied. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he that he was a mess, a scientific mess. Yeah. Because nobody or the academia and Maronei knew about

the third via and what was the third via the present of the yonosphere. the eonosphere conductive ionosphere. So the wavelength that was transmitting maronei casually it was interacting with the yonosphere and so the electromagnetic wave according to the max theory made like that and like that directly to the receiving and so it work it's amazing and this

gave the Nobel prize to Gulco That's an incredible story because he was right but he didn't even know why he was right until after he figured it out. It's amazing and Maronei flunked out of school. He fun none of his professors took him seriously and yeah even the world so everyone has to be open mind of course well electromagnetism in general came Michael Faraday was the early 19th century he was a poor bookbinder in South London who knew nothing and he just kind of like had revelations

about some of this because of his heart inside absolutely he was feeling that it was a part of him clearly and te Tesla had all of these speaking of scalar physic he had all these ideas of where electromagnetism in its current form even with his update of alternating current over over direct current v visav v Edison even beyond that he was talking about wireless instantaneous transmission and his experiments at warden cliff that were sponsored by JP Morgan I think if he were to if

he were alive today he would say you know his experiments barely scratched the surface of what he thought the potential for electromagnet matism actually was. So the point is just like uh Einstein is housed within you can find Newton also Einstein. Yeah. Yeah. At the at the at the time when he developed the special relativity he was saying that time is relative. Time is changing. No it is and it was an eretic thinking. Yes. But was successful. So in this context

everyone has to of us has to think eradically. Absolutely. It means it means in Italian in Latin uh it means to be free of mind. Okay. Absolutely. Because in liaria the heretic the it's free. Well, the whole the whole history of science is the history of heretical thinking moving science forward and scientific paradigm shifts occur when there's a buildup of anomalies and then

the kind of dam breaks. So, and and and each theory, it's like I love the Maronei example because Newton was right, but he didn't know why he was right. Einstein was more right than Newton and his theory. There's gonna be somebody who's more right than Einstein about his theories. And the idea that this is the end of history and the end of physics is the biggest fallacy of like, you know, that we know everything and it and it occurs at every generation. Every generation we

say we know everything and then somebody figures something out and they're always the heretic. Know anything. That's right. Not everything. And if you can't find somebody who is not part of the conventional body of knowledge who you agree with, you're almost guaranteed to be on the wrong side of history because that's the person who's going to bring forward. It's the trick is finding the right person who's, you know, and that's hard, but you know, I couldn't agree with you. Amazing. It's funny, you know, you know, two days ago I interviewed Marone's grandson. Ah, very nice. And this is really trippy, but um he said that his grandfather was part

of a secret uh cabinet from Mussolini to study extraterrestrials and it was called RS33. In 1933, the Italian government set up uh this group, the secret research uh 33 cabinet where Maronei was the uh chair was the president and was the vice president and they made some searches and studies on this phenomenon because 1953 uh they say that in V of Italy there were some apparitions

of so-called UFOs. So in magenta, Italy or do you know where specifically? Uh, Vz. It's north uh, east Italy. Northeast. Yes. Veriz. It's north of Milan uh, in Lombardi and between Lombodi and Venetian land. And it was fascinating. Interesting. He told me that personally like and he's a prince. I was I was like, this is amazing. So, it's funny you brought him up. But, um, yeah. It's so I I will see that interview. Yeah. Yeah. You'll see it up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. But it I'm just uh you know amazed by it. But yeah, I agree. I think that yeah, go for it. I I'm not saying that this experiments that we did on Jets are esoteric experiments, uh heretic. No, they are orthodox. But it is a different way to watch electromagnetics. Why? Why not? So it is inside the academic compound. Well, 100%. The the point I think you're making

is like when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And when you you're an archaeologist and you see a structure, you just say, "Oh, it's a pyramid. There are pyramids in other parts of the world. That's just this structure." And then you come up with some lame, you know, justification for why it was built. you come up with some reasons that are kind of inadequate as to how they were built, but you're force-fitting your own priors onto the the observation and you have

I agree with you. So I would bet on, you know, I'd bet on I hope your team really figures this out and it's it's exciting. It's a really exciting time in history. I think that 2026 we have to do something. Yeah. Maybe in my personal opinion uh humanity is ready to go there and to go and see what there is down down down there because there is something Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, you know um Luis Walter Alvarez who was uh really important for the American atomic program.

He's depicted in the movie Oenheimer and he was very high up in the Manhattan Project. you know, he x-rayed the pyramids in the 50s. X-rayed. So, it's been a subject of long-standing interest, like even from like an official American government perspective for for a long time. And and how did how he x-rayed? I don't know exactly. Yeah. But it's it's online. You can look at Yeah. Oh, okay. It had to use a huge amount of energy in order to penetrate all the mass of the pyramid. Yeah, I guess so. And I think did uh there was maybe a like a mu a muon detector.

Yes. Yes. In fact, we have to speak also about the scam pyramid project because there is not only the the caf project but there is also or much more time with respect to us the scampion project. Stampit project is using muons which are sub particles that are emitted from the universe. They they they go to the pyramid and they interject some um how you say uh detectors.

So the moons impress the detectors and they carry the information about the voids existing between the top of the pyramids why they they go through the pyramids like that. Yes, the scam pyramid project is a well-known research group. Uh they're using uh another physics. We are using acoustics. They are using sub particles and maybe let's see if we can reach them. So be in contact with

them maybe we can or work together or share our results. No because now we are in in competition but if we are in competition we are we have to work together not no the the way you have to think about it is it's you guys against the world. It's not you against, you know, it's like it's amazing for everybody if we can figure out anything here. So, and we're up against kind of establishment forces. So, you know, the um the in the Muan detectors that that's specifically for

um mapping the chambers inside of the pyramid. Is that right? Yes. Uh I tell you, yes. And I tell you why we should uh collaborate together. There is a difference between the the methods that we use and they use because we scan from the space the from the so from the space we we can scan

underneath. They use the space particle to scan what there is between the pyramid and where they locate physically the detectors. It means that uh for us is not request to go physically to locate the the detectors. Our detector is the surface of the earth. In my personal opinion, we work better with respect to them because we can detect things where never a human went

underneath. Mhm. Their technique is different because they have to go physically somewhere and so they will retrive a tomography between the surface and where they locate the detectors. Okay. I am hypoizing this and I I will share this uh information here. If we perform a a join project, so a a project together maybe and if we will we will be able one day to go inside the shaft

and maybe interjecting an horizontal uh tunnel uh constituting the network of tunnels. There is that there is underneath. The scan pyramid project can locate their detectors inside the tunnel in order to retrive what there is up up to there. I don't know if I am explaining. Yeah. You'll use them in conjunction. You'll put the muon detector there there so they can scan. It makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. We have to work together. We don't have to be separated but work together. Yeah. Very cool. I love that idea. Well, on that note, uh, Filippo Beyond, I I this is an absolute honor and a pleasure and, uh, I really wish you good luck because I think what you're doing is very important. And, uh, honestly, I didn't, you know, I was very compelled, uh, by what was circulating online, but there were a couple of things that even I was didn't know or was holding out judgment on. And after this interview, I'm I'm you kind of convinced me on a lot of it. So,

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