BREAKING: Massive Energy Grid Found Beneath Pyramids of Egypt

I can't disclose it now. Interesting. chemical and the sequence of these chemicals transforms one product into the next product into the next product. Industrial scale chemical manufacturing. If we do have tubular structures, >> with coils wrapping around them that go a kilometer deep with a foundation underneath them, that's insane. That's >> Correct. Yeah, and it's it's something that needs to be addressed.

these could possibly have been built. Period. Then I'm going with aliens. >> Like how do we how do we explain that? For over 4,000 years, the pyramids of Egypt have stood as some of the most extraordinary structures ever built by human hands. The Great Pyramid of Khufu on the Giza Plateau contains roughly 2.3 million stone blocks, some weighing as much as 70 tons, arranged with a precision that

still astonishes engineers today. The first and most obvious question everyone asks is how these insanely large, sophisticated, and astronomically aligned structures were built in ancient times before modern civil engineering. >> Archaeologists and historians have proposed several main theories. French architect Jean-Pierre Houdin suggests that an internal ramp spiraling within the pyramid structure itself carried the blocks. This is an idea that

gained renewed interest after the Scan Pyramids project detected unexplained voids inside the Great Pyramid. Other proposals involve lever systems, counterweights, and complex complex lifting techniques hinted at by ancient historians like Herodotus. And then, of course, you have the Atlantean acoustic levitation crowd. Always a good time, and I can't hate on them. But, the point is all of these theories have serious issues with them and are incredibly speculative. And there's another, even more simple question we take for granted, and one that's probably even

In his view, the pyramid's internal chambers, granite structures, and resonant geometry may have all worked together to [music] generate power, possibly through vibrations interacting with quartz crystals inside the stone. Researcher Jeffrey Drum, who runs the Amazing Land of Khem YouTube [music] channel, believes the pyramids weren't producing electricity at all. They were harnessing atmospheric electricity and producing hydrogen [music] gas and ammonium-based compounds essential for metalworking [music] and agriculture,

something ancient civilizations needed. And my hypothesis for the function of the Great Pyramid is that the hydrogen sulfide gas coming from this subterranean karst cave and tunnel system is the initial reactant in the chemical manufacturing sequence within the Great Pyramid. Mhm. According to Drum, different chambers inside the pyramid could have served as reaction vessels, where chemicals like zinc and acid interacted, generating hydrogen through controlled reactions. These

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like took off on the internet. Jeffrey, more recently I've become a huge fan of just because he's so rigorous and I don't know too many people who have a thesis as to what the pyramids actually their function is. You know, I it really it's kind you're kind of in a league of your own. And so, you know, I was yeah. That's a huge vote of confidence. I mean, it's you and Chris for done. And so, I'm excited to have you here because

I think you can ask Filippo questions that I cannot. I think I probably accept a lot of things at face value. And so, I'm really excited to host this discussion. And thank you both for being here. Thank you. Thank you very much for your invitation. So, as far as kicking things off, why don't we just go over the core findings just for the audience's kind of context? So, what are we talking about here when it comes to these synthetic aperture radar Doppler tomography scans? And and if you could go into the method as specifically as

possible, that would be very helpful. the the method is relatively new and not let's say mine colleagues of mine. But someone I am I know that is replicating the experiment. So, I'm very happy about I work I work at a lot of years, maybe I

I'm maybe 30 years on on radar and 20 years on radars installed on satellites. equipment that synthesizes a synthetic, so synthesizes a so-called integration time along the orbit in order to have a similar resolution, high very high similar resolution. So, it is very important for civilian application and other

Today is a state of the art because it occurs also on in the commercial activities because there are all the companies that American company and such and also European companies that are building their own satellites. They launch at the launch the satellites in the in the sky in the space, I'm sorry. And they they sell data. So, it is it is very simple to find a synthetic aperture

radar data and what we do is we re-reprocess this data in order to and this is the core of our method in order to retrieve the the superficial vibration of the earth. This superficial vibration we have to consider it we have to consider this vibration like the the the waves that we can observe on on the border of the swimming pool. So, those kind of waves contains all the

information that it is that that it it is given by the underground the underneath the underground. So, we do like that. We estimate the vibration and then we we we we make we perform algorithms that are able to extract tomography. Tomography is Thomas is we look inside. It's slicing the interior. >> we use acoustics because acoustics

in the in the acoustics are very important because they propagate propagate only only in matter. And we use as a carrier the light. Yep. Because in this space we don't have matter. We have but we don't have we use the the light. It means the radio frequency in the 10 GHz in the in the 10 GHz central frequency. So, light. To carry the information of the

vibrations. Mhm. Right. So, basically you have synthetic aperture radar which is a tried and true method. Nobody's arguing with, you know, synthetic aperture radar being effective. You have companies like IceEye, you know, Umbra, Capella Space that work off this method. They use it for defense and commercial purposes. It's basically a higher resolution radar. And then I think the big update here is the Doppler tomography. And then the other update is you're getting these tomography scans and you have software that is

proprietary to you, right Filipo? >> only because we have we have a patent that this this Now I I I am also submitting a second patent. Mhm. On the first patent because I made the some improvements of the technique and so I am in these days we are submitting in United States. So, the two big updates are the Doppler tomography and then you get the tomography scans and it's your interpretation of the tomography scans which is >> is kind of this unique thing Yeah. to

you think about these claims. Because on the face of them, you know, if we do have tubular structures, pillars, with coils wrapping around them that go a kilometer deep with a foundation underneath them, that's insane. That's huge. >> Correct. Yeah, and it's it's something that needs to be addressed. So, to preface sort of my perspective on the new SAR scans, my work focuses on a comprehensive overview of the function of the Egyptian pyramids. From the step pyramid, red pyramid, bent pyramid, great pyramid, central pyramid, final pyramid, and also encompasses ancient

structures like stone circles, passage chamber reactors, Teotihuacan, Japanese pyramids, etc. And it's a comprehensive overview of the function of these structures with a basis on mechanisms of operation related to physics and With the function of the Egyptian pyramids being for industrial-scale chemical manufacturing, where each pyramid is producing a specific chemical, and the sequence of these chemicals transforms one product into the next product into the next product.

from my perspective, in interpreting and reverse engineering the function of the Egyptian pyramids, we have a known chamber configuration, which inherently any hypothesis on the function of the Egyptian pyramids has to specifically assess all of these specific components in the known So, if there are new components, for example, a lot of people don't know that Filippo and the SAR team actually

known as the Biondi protocol that again is interpreting micro-vibrations, which you term as phonons, as indicative of internal chambers within the structure. And we'll walk through this process. And I think the impetus for this, as you can see here on the screen, anybody who's watching, um the organizers of the SAR team's first international conference was in Malta back in June of and the organizers of the conference

were familiar with my work. Armando and Filippo were familiar with my work, and my wife and I, as you can see there, we had a an absolutely spectacular time in Malta. It is gorgeous there, such a fun conference. We got to meet everybody, and Filippo and I had a really engaging sort of question-and-answer process going on during this conference where that was really why I was invited by the organizers of the conference to come and ask questions based on my knowledge of the existing configuration. And Filippo,

you're the man when it comes to SAR technology, and you are the creator of this Biondi protocol. So, whether you like it or not, you're the only person that has the qualifications to answer these questions. >> J- Jeffrey, ask me a question. >> Yes, of course. Right. Right. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Because if I I do think it's important cuz a lot of people, you know, the information space and podcast world is

not always the best. And I think a lot of people might uh Google or chat GPT synthetic aperture radar and get a quick a quick debunk like, "Oh, you can't penetrate the earth with synthetic aperture radar." And uh I do think it's >> Yeah, it is. It is. So, I want So, this is really important that what you were saying is that um there is a kind of uh phonon to photon conversion. And that uh these micro vibrations, just like you might be able to read the substructure

other modalities like there's something called cold atom sensing and, you know, gravitometry, which it non-invasive, above the surface, and you are measuring subsurface stuff. You aren't measure measuring it with perfect accuracy. >> So, that's what's very important. And the reason I'm so excited to have you here is because I think a lot of the first-order debunks, like the one I just mentioned, suck and are easy. They're ignorance, as you said. I think, and I don't even want to call it a debunk cuz it's is conversation. >> Yeah. But you have thought of other kind

of interesting ways to poke at uh you know the the theories. >> objective questions out of fascination and interest for the work. And I think that's an important thing in science is when people with different opinions come together And that you may say that >> closer to the truth. Because diversity builds new things. >> Of course. And I will agree there are absolutely things below the Giza Plateau that we do not understand

that are the impetus for the construction of the pyramids on the Giza They chose the Giza Plateau for a very specific reason. There are very important resources below the Giza Plateau that are directly related to the function of the Egyptian pyramids. So we'll kind of get to that at the end, but let's let's dive into this. >> Yes. Um so that everybody can just kind of hear I'm going to read briefly just quoting the abstract of your first

paper. Just Just to say yeah, you remember in the last interview that I made with Jesse when he came in Corciano where I live, I said I remember that I said In in the Giza business, let's say business there is a crucial material that is common in in everything. So it's water. Water. I try my I think that water is very important. I

>> Yes. Yes, business. >> Yeah. And for example, we've actually taken samples of the water in the Osiris Shaft and I had that tested in conjunction with an archaeological project that I'm a member of called the Osirion 7 archaeological mission in conjunction with Jim Westerman to investigate the source of the water within the Osirion. So, they're doing testing of the water in the Osirion and hydrological evaluation

of the Osirion to try to determine a why and where the water in the reservoir comes from. And there's also intrusive water in one of the central recesses that we're also trying to determine the source of this water. I'm an official member of that archaeological project and I brought our water samples from the Osiris shaft to have tested in conjunction with the samples from them. And the Osiris shaft is brackish water. It's not fresh water and it's not sea water. It's brackish water. So, brackish

water is slightly salty water, not fresh water, not sea water. >> it's called the salmastro. Yeah, yeah. So, partially salt water. >> Yeah. So, there's a very independent located directly below the Osiris shaft that is not connected to the Nile River. So, for example, the Nile is way, way back from the Giza Plateau. And because of the High Aswan Dam, there's no more flooding of the Nile River.

So, the water level inside of the Osiris shaft has not fluctuated since the time of its construction. located directly below the Osiris shaft. And that system was designed to tap into that aquifer at a very specific level at the bottom of the chamber, which is why the chamber is still filled with water at the bottom of the Osiris shaft today. So, there's pockets of independent aquifers all over the Giza Plateau and

there's also subterranean flowing water. Which Ah, so there there is also sub subterranean Moving water, yeah. Yeah, so there's actually >> that have been installed near the Valley So, the Khafre Valley Temple near the Sphinx enclosure, um the Egyptian government has installed pumps to try and pump this water out from below the Giza Plateau. So, there's pumping stations at Giza where they've been pumping out this

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they'll ask you how you found them. Please show your support and let them know we sent you. preservation, of course, which is the main justification for everything done in Egypt. We're trying to preserve the monuments. So, we want to remove all the water. So, they they they they installed the pumps and remove water. Yeah. Because they already know that there there are structures

Not necessarily that they know that there are structures, but it's more for the preservation of the pyramids on top to prevent more erosion from below. Because there is, and I'll I'll get to this at the end of the conversation, they know for sure that there are caves and tunnels below Giza. There are a lot of caves. >> of caves and they're natural geological >> will speak about this. Yeah, of course. Yeah, we we agree on that, right? Um >> So, we all agree on that. We all agree

that the pyramids were likely not conventional tombs. Right. >> We're all like same same page there and then it sounds like we're on the same page that water is this important thing, whether it's chemical power plant or, you know, energy power plant. But yeah, we're using >> And they and we are sure also that they were not built by the Egyptians. That would be my bias. What do you think? What do you think, Grant? So, by built by the Egyptians, I think they were built by the civilization that lived in Egypt during

on the function of the pyramid Directly connected to thunderstorms and lightning, which we'll get to the power source of the pyramids and why these subterranean structures might be important for capturing and recirculating that electrical current. And you have you have what seems to be water damage and erosion on the nose of the Sphinx that people like John Anthony West talk about. >> Yeah, the back of the Sphinx enclosure. >> Yeah, the water the the water erosion at the back of the Sphinx enclosure. Yeah,

that's that's the work of Robert Schoch that looks at those vertical fissures on the back of the Sphinx enclosure, which is indicative that the structure was built during a time period where there was significant more rainfall. Right. So, I think it was built by the Egyptians by virtue of it being the people that were in Egypt at the time, which predates so, I do think it was so, I'm not in the alien camp where I think that these are extraterrestrial. I think they were built by human beings at the end of the last ice age in order

to reestablish and rebuild humanity after the largest cataclysm that basically destroyed most of the planet and put human beings at risk for extinction. So, they're infrastructure >> You mentioned Robert Schoch. You know, he and Graham Hancock would say that the Sphinx itself is actually an homage to, you know, the former procession and that, you know, the the the constellation Leo, which was, you know, facing true north was what it was, you know, pointing towards and and that the

pharaonic, you know, headdress is actually sort of retrofitted Yes. onto it. Would you agree with that or >> So, I think the Sphinx itself is a dynastic monument >> Uh-huh. that was built on an existing bedrock outcrop within the Sphinx enclosure. Okay. So similar to what they think. Yeah. Okay. So >> I don't I don't think the Sphinx monument as a statue is contemporary to the pyramids themselves. Yeah. Two two separate time periods. Got it. Yeah, no, no. So it So it sounds like we're all on the same page that the conventional

archaeological explanation for what's going on is kind of prima facie wrong. And that the goal posts are clearly moving on that. Let's say that we are sure that when I open history book school book of my son and I go to the pyramid and I read Yes, [laughter] exactly. So So let's get into it cuz I have some technical

what's happening here for for people who don't understand the technical stuff. So one problem with synthetic aperture radar is that given the limited penetrating effects of the electromagnetic magnetic waves inside One of the problem. Yes, yeah. >> So who says that I'm sorry about you. It's okay. Go ahead. Yeah, please. >> Who says it or or who says that? No, it's impossible because radar can't This is the main issue. Correct. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I'm just I'm just >> to dealing with main issue. And and and

in the paper, the this is in the abstract, they're they're proposing one of the main problems, and then the resolution to the problem is the implementation of your new software system. So, again, let me just so so people can understand what's going on. So, one problem with SAR radar is that given the limited penetrating effects of electromagnetic waves inside of solids, the capability to image inside distributed targets is excluded. So, under these circumstances, imaging

activity is only given on the surface of distributed targets. Absolutely. This paper describes an imaging approach based on the investigation of micro movements on the surface of the Khufu Khufu pyramid, the Great Pyramid, usually generated by background seismic So, essentially what the technology and the Biondi protocol is, again, Filippo, please correct me if I'm wrong, and then agree if I have this

interpretation correct. So, we have existing synthetic aperture radar satellite technology. And what you've done is developed a new software that works in conjunction with these existing satellites to detect micro movements on the surface of the structure, which you have termed as phonons. Yes. And those phonons and the differences between the structure and the cavities

are indications of chambers and hidden structures inside of the pyramid. >> Everything is encoded on these micro micro movements. Yes, >> have a chamber, the micro movements are like that. If you don't have the chamber, the micro movements are different. Correct. >> It is not on on surface. Right. Yeah, yeah. So, again, this is the the whole revolutionary and novel approach of the Beyond E protocol is it's utilizing these surface micro-vibrations to tell us what's going on on the inside

of the structure. So, so again, to clarify, there's been some discussion in the community that, you know, SAR technology is old and it's vetted. It is, 100%. SAR technology has been around for a long time, but what Filippo has done is developed a new approach to use these existing satellites >> existing data Correct. Yeah, to do something a little different, right? So, we're now going to be using these micro-vibrations, which again, they've called phonons, is the term utilized. So, again, if you're reading the paper

or if you're hearing a technical discussion, when you talk about phonons, you're talking about these micro-vibrations that are being detected by the radar. >> Yes. Okay. I please ask you to go a bit up and to the previous uh slide, please. On the abstract? On the >> So, I have some Oh, this one here. Yeah. And the there is is written very clear Knum Kufu becomes transparent like a crystal when observed in the

By in that case, it was the 2020 second generation Italian Cosmo-SkyMed satellite system. A week ago we we put in orbit a third satellite of Cosmo Skymed second generation. So now Italy has three satellites of Cosmo Skymed second gen. Yeah. It's very good. And I'll show all of the images from this paper so people can see what you've discovered inside of the Great Pyramid and all of those diagrams. >> Okay. So this is from the Malta conference which fast forward a couple

years later we're in Malta and this just gives some additional information for the people watching so they can understand when we say phonons they'll understand that those are the micro >> Phonons are micro movements. Correct. >> when when we when we deal with light Yeah. light is composed by photons. Correct. Yeah. The vibrations of this >> Yeah. at any frequency is a vibration of the matter and the vibration of the matter is composed by phonons. >> Yep. Okay. Yeah. So in this slide here

and this is where I have some questions about the process of the radar scan itself. So you have >> I'm here. I'm here to explain everything about this agreement. Yeah, of course. the satellite is going around the earth. >> Yes. Yes. And the the flat earth people are going to go nuts when I when I do this, right? >> No, there is the Pac Man theory. >> So again this The satellite goes It goes around like this. goes outside the Pac Man theory and It comes

back around. Yeah, yeah. Magically, So again the the satellite is going around the earth, right? And you're making passes over the target object. So the satellite's going around like this. And you're imaging the Great Pyramid for example. Yes. What is the square footage? The square footage. Or the square meters. The the footprint on the ground. >> Yeah, what is That's the correct word. >> Yeah, what is the size of the area Yes.

of the target scan for the radar? >> 5 km * 5 km. Okay. So So is this is that a standard >> Or can you adjust the size? >> on the so-called geometry. Okay. There is a law that that is a stand that belongs on radar. Yeah. The more the resolution, the less the footprint. The more resolution, less footprint. Right. Yeah, because the

smaller the footprint >> Yes. the more accurate it is. Yes. >> inside of the small. It's like a light when you focus the light Yeah. >> footprint on this table. Yes. So, if you focus the light, you have more information inside the footprint. So you also use the phrase tomographic line. Tomographic line, yeah. Which is a slice a slice of the internal Yes. And you And you extract the vertical curtain. >> Correct. Yeah. So to create these scans,

the raw data Yeah. how many times does the satellite go around and over the target object? So it's only one >> 15 seconds. >> Okay. It is It is in in the signal processing language a sufficient >> it a a tomographic analysis. You can use also series of interferometric data. I have to explain what is an

interferometric data. It is you you are observing this this this target here. The satellite passes. You you you you catch a snapshot of this target. When the satellite goes another time on this target, you will never see it in the same geometry. It means same incident same angle same incident angle because the earth is moving. While the satellite is sure yes is

around the earth. >> Right. So you have to wait the so called procession orbital I don't remember the name but orbital then after I will I will remember it. >> Yeah. That in Cosmo-SkyMed is 16 days. Mhm. You you have to wait a 16 days in order to observe the same target >> geometry. Yeah. That That was going to be my next question. >> And that you can collect 15 seconds 15

seconds 15 seconds 15 seconds 3 months of observation persistently on the >> Yes. and you collect and you can collect n times 15 seconds of observation. >> Right. Right. But one image is a sufficient statistic in order to retract tomography. Okay. So that was actually my second question >> Yeah. was are these composites Yeah. of multiple passes and then all of them are put together for one image?

>> you are speaking about multiple passages? We said that one image 15 seconds of integration >> Yep. in order to perform the synthesis the synthesis of image is a sufficient >> Right. So with one 15 seconds you have an image. Okay. Look. And that's Yeah. So just to clarify again I'm just I'm just curious about how the process works. So the the data shown in the first paper

>> Yeah. and in the scans of the Khufu >> Yes. and the pillars below >> Yes. that's collected from a single scan 15 seconds. With a single synthetic aperture radar image. Okay? 15 seconds of integration. >> Yeah. So, we'll we'll talk about the scans of the Osiris shaft as well. Also that. And that's why you remember I went to the Giza Plateau to investigate the area around the Osiris shaft. >> Yes. And this is when I was asking you

about the footprint. Yeah. The area of the scan. >> Yeah. So, when you scanned the Osiris shaft, was the footprint of the area in terms of meters by meters, length by width, was that also 5 km, or did you make the scan area smaller? >> We use it only one available product of synthetic aperture radar data given by Cosmo-SkyMed, which is called the spotlight tool. The civilian application of

Cosmo-SkyMed. Okay. And that ensures 5 km 5 km * 5 km in that resolution. Okay. And the resolution the space resolution is sub-metric, nearly 1 m + 1 m. Right. 1 m * 1 m. Okay. And I'll I'll show the scan data from the Osiris shaft. And the reason I'm asking about the footprint >> Yeah. is because it's a two-dimensional image. Yes. Right? Tomographic line * depth. Correct. Okay. So, you're taking

a 5 * 5 km scan Yeah. and compressing it. No. No. No. You choose your the pixel that you want to invert. Okay. You you can choose any pixel Right. the image. Maybe you choose This is the image. This is the image. Okay. You choose this pixel and this other pixel. You You You draw a line and you extract the vertical curtain. Okay. You You can go anywhere on the on

the image. Okay? Interesting. Okay. And the reason I'll get to it when we look at the scan data. Yes. Because on the left side of the Osiris shaft, it's picking up something else there. I like yes. Yeah. I tell you this. And that's why I was interested. Yeah, cuz we're on the same Yeah, of course. Yeah. Thank you for this question. And um Before we get into that. >> Can I just say one thing? Cuz we're we're scared of this is the Osiris shaft is used often as evidence by your team

Yes. for at least some validation. It's not blind validation. >> because we know perfectly the the Because you know the structure and you use this same method to derive that structure. Indeed, I like to show the the Gran Sasso the Gran Sasso laboratory is very nice in my personal opinion. Well, there you go. Yeah, I also have the Gran Sasso laboratory. >> So, we can show everybody the proof of concept. So, I just the Gran Sasso laboratory, you you see also the the interferometer that is that is on that the end of the structure. >> Yeah. Yeah.

And I thought I thought those proof of concepts. So, again, it's it's proof of concept to establish the precedent and the viability of the technology to scan existing structures where we have a known configuration. And this technology was very good at accurately detecting the known structures within these modern facilities that were scanned. But also the Osiris shaft, too. We'll talk about that. I have a question. I just have some questions.

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because you are watching in a crystal that it's made of um stones, you know? Stones. You can You can have on the results. So, background background new noise. Background noise is also aberration. What is an aberration? Yeah. Aberration is uh you buy the not uh uh constant density of the matter. Sure. Uh while you are dealing with uh

vibrations, vibrations penetrates inside matter. But the matter uh vibrations are um um traverse matter uh in uh with a speed that it depends on the density of the matter of the matter in where they are traveling. So, if the matter is not uh uh has uh different densities, uh so you have aberration on the results. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, so to to reinterpret

what he just said is the penetration and the signature of vibrational analysis depends on the density of the material. >> Because the more dense the material, the less vibrational signal. And the velocity changes. Correct. You have in- interference. >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Um and real real quick, just for the audience, cuz I want them to kind of visualize and have context for this. Yeah. Why don't you answer what what is the Osiris shaft? So, the Osiris shaft is a three-level

located on the eastern causeway leading from the central pyramid down to the valley temple and the sphinx. And it's 33-m underground triple chamber system. Not triple chamber, three different levels. You have a shaft that goes down to the primary level. You have another shaft that goes down to the secondary level where there's six housings that have some containers of different material. One's dacite, one's black basalt. And then you go down to the third level

where there is four pillars. This is the area that's tapped into that subterranean aquifer. It's literally calibrated to just tap the surface of the water in that underground aquifer. And there's another cham- container down in the third level. And and what is the Gran Sasso Laboratory? Yes, the Gran Sasso Laboratory is located in one 1.4 km below the earth starting from the aperture of the Gran Sasso, the the the

top of the of the mountain. And it is very huge, a very very big. it is always in a life. It means that there are ventilators, there are facilities, electrical components inside. So, it is in a life. >> What are they studying? Is this like a >> It's a physics lab. >> So, it's like it's like the it's like one of the national labs in the US, like Los Alamos or Lawrence Livermore or >> what they do what is the principal core of the Gran Sasso. It is called the

Gerda experiment because they are they didn't find it still find it. The so-called Majorana particle. Mhm. The Majorana particle is very important because it demonstrates that there are particles that are antiparticles of their of theirself. And so, in the Gran Sasso, the Gran Sasso was made purposely to demonstrate the Majorana

the existence of the Majorana particle. The existence of antiparticles. >> That is antiparticle of him. So, particle and antiparticle are the same thing. And so, that's opens a lot of things. >> So, like cuz now the particle theory now you have electrons and positrons, but what what exactly are you saying? >> But we are dealing with sub neutrinos. Ah, well, like like quarks >> Yes, and a neutrino. >> Oh, you're literally neutrinos. So, okay. Yeah, cuz there's a neutrino

>> Sub sub particle sub subatomic >> Subatomic, yeah. Subatomic particle. And neutrinos for people that don't know, uh you know, are very hard to detect. They're very elusive. So, and they seem to penetrate through all And so, yes, they they built the Gran Sasso laboratory in order to have a stable environment. Mhm. silent environment because there is all the mountain that makes as a filter. Mhm. It's an insulator for the detecting

equipment. They built it inside of a mountain. Yes. And there there are there is a specific detector that is that has been built to in order to to to recognize this my robot. Mhm. Very cool. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I'll show that in just a second so people can see the scan of the of the >> Um so again, I'm just going to introduce we talked a little bit about the abstract, the development of the technology, and how it was implemented in this first scan. Yeah. So, what we're looking at here is one of the

first Yes, this was the first one. Yeah, the the raw data images. >> but the Yeah, and and the technique Yeah. Yeah. So, Filippo, you you kind of already know my questions Looking at it. >> Okay, you already know Yeah, because now you're you're 5 years, 6 years removed from the first paper. And from what I understand, the satellites that you're using now are superior to the ones that you were using during this initial scan. And now you're using >> is a superior also. Yeah. And and now

you're using multiple satellites where this one was only collected with a single satellite. Is that correct? >> Yes. Okay. So, what are we looking at here? Yeah, so so basically here on the left. So, let's start with on the right. Yeah. On the right is the raw scan data On the left is an overlay of the configuration of the Great Pyramid >> Yeah. overlaid on top of the tomographic >> Yes, I have to make a remark when I

speak about raw data. Yes. These are dealing always with focus at the data. Yes. Because also in the vibrational domain you have raw data and focus data. Yes. Okay. So, raw data is the data that you have before the so-called fast Fourier transform. I tell you. If you have a um a camera a camera like that that camera and you uh make a picture with that camera Mhm.

you see the image. Correct. If you disassemble the camera and you and you separate the optics by the body of the camera, you can make a photo also with using only the body of the camera. The result is that you you see a picture, but you don't see the picture focused because the focusing procedure is done by the optics. >> the image. So a comparison to

photography is like old cameras where you have to develop the photo. The photo is there, but it requires a process to focus the image. And in that case, the process is made naturally by the lens because the lens Fourier transform. Okay. What do you are seeing? So is this image on the right is this not focused? >> Focused. Yes. Yes. >> Okay, so it's the process It's the raw >> It's Yeah, so the raw data But the focus And when when you use the beyond the method with your software, are you

taking are you using an inversion of the focused data >> The raw data raw data are inverted. Yeah, that's interesting. >> Yeah, so this is the final product of what you actually want to look for. >> No, it is called final noisy product. But you use but you use the unfocused raw data. No, we don't have to we don't have to confuse the SAR image from the optical image with what we are retrieving on the vertical curtain.

Also, when we retrieve something uh when we extract the tomographic line, also there you have raw data and you have to focus it also. Got it. You You have to focus everything. Any instrumental measurement equipment that makes photo, you have to focus this photo. >> And you have to focus it before you use your Beyond D method or is it after? So the Beyond D method itself is what receives these micro vibrations. >> Got it. So then that that raw data that

receives those micro vibrations is processed to create this focused image. So there's nothing So particularly unique or proprietary about turning the focused SAR data into an image. Is that >> it's quite >> That's Yeah, very basic eventually. >> process is just the the retrieval of the micro movements >> Makes sense. That allow this imaging to be possible. >> Okay. Right. >> Just to to remark the fact the Beyond D protocol is composed by two steps. The

first step step is called synthesis and the second step is called analysis. Mhm. In the synthesis, we retrieve the vibrations on the pixel composing the the the tomographic line that we want to invert. The same process is called analysis, the inversion. Which is an fast Fourier transform the lens of the camera. Because you see nothing. So again, this is a good preparation for everything that you're going to face

coming up because now the work is going to get even more popular. See see. And you're going to have more people asking questions like this that are trying to better understand. So moving forward so people can understand what they're looking at with the next set of focused >> Yeah. Here on the right we have the scale. Yes. So this is the concentration or intensity of the vibrations. One normalizer. Correct. Yeah, so you see everything in blue is the normal body of

the structure or the background air, etc. Right? So as it goes up the scale, we have more intense vibrations that are being registered by this satellite radar. Just so everybody can understand the coloring. Correct. Yeah, correct. Yeah, it just shows the intensity of the vibrations that are detected. So looking back on it, are you are you still confident and proud of this data? Absolutely, yes. >> you rather go back and try to clean it up more? But yes, we can we can manage

to clean it up more, absolutely yes. these [clears throat] results gives you a lot of information. And >> Right. but we we didn't use only one result. We have we had a plethora of results in order to retrieve the 3D that you will show. Yes, I have everything. Yeah, yeah. Uh I have to say something about my technique that we have to when when you extract vertical curtain, it is normal that So you're saying vertical curtain. Curtain, yeah. Curtain. Yes. Right, so like the

sheet or the layer or the slice, the vertical curtain. Yeah, okay, yeah. So just just in case people didn't understand, vertical curtain means the slice that's being extracted from this Okay, this is important that the vertical curtain is not perfect. Maybe if a very bright target is located here, you can see it. You have to move a lot the vertical curtain in order you don't see it again because it's like a cone of

because every antenna has a cone of sensitivity. Yes. so if you are perfectly in the line of sight, okay, you will see things that are mainly located on the line of sight. >> But, if you have bright targets that are located also having a certain angular of of deviation, Yeah. you can see it. Yeah, and we'll we'll talk about that. >> That is what happened there. What it's what you will anticipate me in the

question or questions of the Osiris shaft is true. You can see also things that are located here. Yes. Yeah. Right, exactly. Yeah, yeah. And we'll talk about this cone of sensitivity >> Yes. when it comes to the muon scanning. >> Hey, also there you have things because also there they have to they have raw data. Also there they have to perform fast Fourier transform. I know everything about Yeah, so I'm I included some so we can get your opinion and feedback. >> Yes. Because so for people that don't know muon scanning is using cosmic ray

absorption to do a similar process to detect interior structures. They use that method like the camera like like my camera. You have to always focus data. You have to always perform fast Fourier transform. You have to always perform tomographic inversion also there. Yeah, so I have some information here about that and I would love to hear your opinion on that because I It's a pleasure for me to Yeah, of course. And so again my objective here is just to get to the bottom of it because there's

there's conflicting data between what the muon scanning team has reported and what your team has reported. >> Yes. So I wanted to get your interpretation for why that's the case and then we can we can I'll show the data here in just a second. >> Okay. So we have three red squares. >> have a focus at three for the for who is reading, no? Yes. >> To give the [clears throat] readers a help how to interpret it data. Correct, yeah. So so on the far right

you can see the edge of the pyramid >> Yes, it's With all of that yellow and red, that is the surface Yes. external casing of the Great Pyramid with all of that red and yellow very intense vibrations because it's closer to the >> Also, when you see it it's it's very my best my best view is very is very is very nice result. Okay. Yeah. And we can >> And then moving on the inside we have one, two, and three. One being the area around the King's Chamber.

>> Yes. Two being the Queen's Chamber. And three is the subterranean chamber. >> Yes. And here I will say that the detection of the Queen's Chamber at two. And you can see here the overlay of the Queen's Chamber in the center with the raw scan data. The Queen's Chamber always has a very good signature, a very strong vibrational signature. Yes. >> Chamber is a benchmark because we can

see it. And it it would also help you determining the most effective curtain or slice. >> Yeah. So if you have a strong signature on the Queen's Chamber, you know that your tomographic line is lined up accurately for the objects of interest in the particular scan. In terms of the configuration, I'll show some diagrams and everything in the Great Pyramid is aligned right on top of each other. So again, this just is showing the first

overlay. So I guess we'll go back there for a second. My my so stupid stupid question is like I'm looking at the raw tomographic result and I'm looking at one, two, three. And maybe I see something a little around one, but two and three look mostly like in the sort of blue range. Like how do you convert one to the other? Like what So so let me explain >> Is this a Is this a failure to detect or is this a positive detection of the Queen's Chamber? >> me let me clarify. So, all of these images are screenshots directly from the

paper. Mhm. And here on the left is a standard diagram of the Great Pyramid. This is not one of their models, which I'll show their models here in just a >> Okay. where they actually interpreted the focused scan data into new 3D >> So, this is a known standard diagram on the left >> Okay. overlaid with the focused data. Yeah. And I would agree with that statement that one and three, you can see the highlight, >> Yeah. aren't super encouraging Yeah. in

terms of the detection in this particular slice. Okay. So, for example, at one, Yeah. >> I don't see a clear signature there for the King's Chamber. >> Sure. And down at three, if you look at the overlay of the diagram on top of it, >> it's not picking up the subterranean chamber, either. Yeah. On the far left, you can't see a glow, Yeah. which is indicative of these vibrations from the subterranean chamber. >> Filippo, do you agree with that or like do you agree that it's sort of missing the subterranean chamber and the King's

pyramid, why are we high confidence in structures going a kilometer deep underneath the pyramid? >> Yes, because in the GPR research that we made a few years later than than this, we changed the approach. So, so we used uh different geometries on the satellite So, with very low uh incidence angle, that means that the the layover of the of the radar images were very

high. Mhm. But, that kind of acquisition, when we use uh low incidence angle, Mhm. the power of the of the photons are very high is very high because you see things like that. So, you have a di- direct interaction Sure. with the Earth. That kind of um increasing of power allowed us to see deeper. Mhm. Okay? And uh in that kind of configuration, we

were able to detect to uh measure the structure that were underneath. Did you ever redo the Great Pyramid and accurately detect these chambers with the lower angle of incidence? >> Uh yes, the the I know this it was a medium angle of incidence. Uh So, when you say the angle of incidence, let me let me try to interpret that for the layperson. So, when the satellite starts scanning, Yeah. right? This 15 seconds of scanning time, the process

starts lower as opposed to scanning up here. So, you're scanning from lower on the horizon We have as opposed to trying to scan from the top. I give you the answer about this. So, we have to um do a bit of a lesson now of how data are acquired. Let's say that this is the target. Yeah. >> That I want to This is 5 km * 5 km. Which is a huge picture here. It's a huge area to scan. Yeah. It's very

generous. Right. >> a picture here. There we go. Okay. Yeah. This is the satellite. >> Yeah. The satellite it flies on the on the on an orbit. Correct. Yeah. Okay. The curved orbit. So, if I want a an image here in the radar field, we say I don't want it squinted. So, it means that the sense we we trace here a vertical line.

We start the sensing here minus 7 seconds. >> Plus 7 seconds. 15 seconds. Right. 7.5 7 like that. So, here we begin acting our sensing and here we release the sensing. We have the image. SAR is a side-looking sensor. So, we have to tilt. This is the zero Doppler.

We have to tilt on the incident angle because it's a side-looking. Mhm. And we can we can scan, let's say, never nadiral because it doesn't work. So, from here like that to here. Mhm. From here to here. Like that. So, we choose it a very low incident angle, which is the angle belonging the of our image and the line of sight.

This angle. Yeah. This is the incident angle. Mhm. Low incident angle, high High incident angle, low layover effect. Mhm. And that now I tell you what is the Like that to like that. For the CaFra research project, we use low incidence angle. Why? Because the photons that are transmitted here on the earth has high power because the

probability that the photons that arrive with here are retransmitted into the deep space is low. So, you have the scattering energy is higher than this that is lower. Mhm. Okay. Because we wanted to go inside because we wanted to see targets very bright because here the Doppler effect is more. We are more sensitive in the Doppler

effect with low incidence angle with respect to the higher incidence angle. Okay? Yeah. And all the validation you've done has been at lower incidence angle. >> Yeah. Okay. And so >> See, see, yes. Lower Lower incidence angle is is better. In this case, we wanted to see we were focused on the pyramid on the pyramid at the beginning in 2020. if we if we were using low incidence

the pyramid are lay over it. It means that imagine the pyramid. You see the pyramid. The pyramid is is a smashed on the lay over. It means that you see the pyramid like that. The pyramid is smashed like that. And so, it is difficult to do Mhm. to see details inside of the pyramid. But we were interested in the in in the recent that we did on all the Giza plateau to see Okay, the

pyramid I don't care about a lot about the pyramid. I want to see what there is below the pyramid. I don't know so I don't know if I am understanding this. If you if I am explaining better this. So, we use it principally we use it lower incident angle, but not everywhere. So, we use it let's say different incident angle. Got it. And then you triangulated the truth from the different incident angle. And and are you highly confident that if you

used the same methodology on the Great Pyramid again with the different incident angles and triangulating them? We did it. We did it. But but but it was not uh to to retrieve things that we did on 2020, but it was for to see what there was deep below the Khufu. But did you have I don't know if if I am a You know, it's super clear. If I Did you ever try redo just the pyramid itself to make

sure that the accuracy on the chambers was correct? >> but we can But you can do it. Okay. So so also, you haven't seen any of this yet. The first paper data. There's there's way more >> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and they they >> There are a lot of results. Oh yeah, of course. And I'm going to show all that so everyone can see it. I think it's important for everyone to see it because they did different scans that show it sometimes. Mhm. So, we'll get to that now. We can go ahead and go So, for example, this next one is this image from this same scan? It's

just a a focused image. >> Okay. Something uh So so this one I get I think we would Yeah. Yeah, down below. Yeah. Right? So, I think we all agree that the imaging of the King's Chamber here is not great. But we do have a very promising image of the Queen's Chamber. >> Yeah. I would say that this is actually and you can even see so look at C down there on the bottom right. >> Yeah. You can actually see the horizontal shaft coming out of the Queen's Chamber is detected, I would

say, fairly accurately. So, I think this is, again, I I kind of like to look at the positives and the negatives, right? Objectively analyzing the data. >> Yes. I just I just I tell you this. The important of the future of this technique is the the velocity of the to obtain the result. The result. So, the speed of the radar No, the speed of the synthesis. Okay? Okay. You have the SAR image. You have You have to perform You have a

tomographic light line. You have to perform synthesis. To perform synthesis, you need days days and days because it is time-consuming consuming the processing. You've been in Corsiano, I showed you I showed you the computer big computers, but you need time. Yes. the best thing to do now is to increase the the the speed, so decrease the time that I have to wait in order to

obtain a tomography. Okay. And so, to make it also, let's say, similar real time. What does it mean? That this the thing that I am that I'm This is the procedure that I'm thinking we will do it in the future. I think that the future of this technique is this. >> You have an image. You have a a tomographic line, but this tomographic line, you can move it Mhm.

in real time. And on a monitor, you will >> To see. Yeah, like a CT scan. Like where you move through the section and see all the different layers. I remember when when we we we did models on the calf problems, but you have you you you launch a process. You have to wait 15 days and I forgot what what what we are watching. So, it is a bit annoying, a bit not not so not so useful for It is for research, okay? We read

the paper. We read the paper. But, if we want to do several scans, we have to you have to wait a lot to have the results. So, in my personal opinion, now the thing that we are doing is this. We have to recommend the software. We have to use a rise of GPU, a rise of GPU. Maybe we can also uh multiply the processing power also for, I don't

know, I can say 10,000 times. It means that 15 days will become 30 seconds. Uh it's good. Passing from 15 days into 30 seconds. But, to do this, I need investments. We need uh I can't do it. But, in my best in my personal opinion, future of this because here the problem that that and thank you for giving me rising these

>> Yeah. Yeah. That we are having now is related to the processing time because this is only one tomographic line. If you move uh in real time on a plethora of adjacent tomographic lines, you can see everything. Mhm. And you do it real time like like when you go to the to the doctor, you make a scan of your of your I don't know whether it's CT scan or MRI, but where they can literally move through

the different I think it's a CT scan, yeah. Where you can literally move through the sections in real time, but it's also, like you said, it requires super high processing power. >> Yes. It's impossible to do it. Of course, yeah. This is 1.0. You You can move on. Right. That's what I was going to say. >> my It's not for me on on my on my I don't know. I think the the burning question people have now is what gives if if this is just one tomographic scan, you have to wait 16 days, is that the same method outside of the angle of

incidence that you used for detecting the substructures below the King's >> It's the same method. It's the same method. Absolutely, yes. And has been improved in terms of uh details of the method. Mainly angle of incidence or anything else? Uh we have used different incident incidence angle scanning the the below the earth, but it's the same. Okay. And all the the validation that you've done at Gran Sasso, Osiris, was that with the

multiple angles of incidence and the triangulation? It was. Okay. >> Yes, because the Gran Sasso Yeah. it is very high. It is nearly 3,000 m. 200 m. 93, I think. and there the layover effect is uh massive present on the SAR image. So, I had to to to to let's say order um

different images in order to choose the best one. In my for me the best one. Maybe other image could be also better in order to retrieve the the the laboratory. To detect the the laboratory. So, here's another different scan Okay. of of the King's Chamber. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, So, when they say Z Chamber, they're referring to what's conventionally called the King's And this scan image looks qualitatively different than what we see here. It's

not the same tomography. It's a >> Correct. Yeah, a different tomographic line. So, you've gone in and taken a different vertical slice. As I told you. >> Yes. If you have a speed, you can do it real time. So, you will in real time choose the best one to to show to the to the to to to the Right. Yeah. customer or to who wants to And so, in my interpretation here, so you see the horizontal signatures. These are like the These are the granite beams Mhm. that are part of a structure known as

the relieving chamber. Mhm. Which is a structure located above. You can see the diagram on the left. Again, this is a known archaeological diagram of the King's Chamber, not a 3D model of their interpretation of the new stuff. So, these overlays are just taking known overlapping it with the tomographic data, so we can see where these things correspond. And if you look there on the right, you can actually kind of see the slope angle of the

triangle at the top. You see it kind of it picks it picks that up to a little bit on the right. You see that slope >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. that aligns with the top of the chamber and the horizontal signatures of these granite lintel beams. Mhm. So, we do have Again, the red is indicating a very strong vibrational signature from inside of the structure. And I will say that this one is pretty good. >> Mhm. I was I was when I saw this originally, I was like, "Oh, this is this is promising Yeah. for detection of

the King's Chamber. Mhm. But you also have to keep in mind the King's Chamber is made of granite. Mhm. So, there is a qualitative difference in the material of construction that's specifically related to the quality of the detection. So, for example, the surrounding mass is all limestone, but the King's Chamber is made of granite, which is maybe one of the reasons why we're getting such a good signature on this particular tomographic

line. Would you agree with that, >> Absolutely, yes. I I think that we are detecting also the so-called sarcophagus, which is not the Chamber. Yes, that that facility there there. Okay. Cool. So, the only questions I had on this one, so the big red signature at the bottom is just background interference. But it but you have a the the floor the floor, no? Of There is

a floor. Okay. And I'll I'll get back to that in just a second regarding regarding the bedrock. >> Yeah. So, the conventional explanation of the bedrock foundation below the Great Pyramid is that it stops somewhere near the grotto at the base of the pyramid. But in my opinion, the bedrock mound is actually much taller than we think. And one of your other scans shows what may

be the true level of the bedrock. And in my opinion, the King's Chamber is sitting on top of a bedrock foundation within the pyramid, which is what Yeah. Yeah, that we are detecting something that Right. So, this is a good one. This is a promising signature. You know, there there are some tracers Mhm. that go outside of the limits of the known chamber, but this is pretty good. >> Mhm. Okay, so the next one here, this is

things got really interesting for me with the first paper. So again, we're looking at the Queen's Chamber. And what they have here at the bottom is a scan of the Queen's Chamber in the center of the pyramid. And it has been anecdotally reported and documented from the original excavations of the Great Pyramid that there is a shaft and chamber system located below the Queen's Chamber. Mhm. So they excavated this. They found a pit

in the Queen's Chamber that was filled with rubble and dirt. They excavated down into it and they found a shaft and tunnel system and chamber system located below the Queen's Chamber. It is now completely covered up and sealed with modern blocks. They covered up the hole permanently. Mhm. Again, reported anecdotally and in some of the documents regarding the original excavations. And what they're showing here is actually the presence of a shaft

system coming out of the bottom of the Queen's Chamber. >> So that's very promising. And I proposed the same thing based on these archaeological reports in my book that there is an extraction shaft >> Mhm. and chamber system located below the Queen's Chamber. >> Yeah. So again, when I saw this back in 2020, this was very promising and encouraging for me because they are hidden structures that are now completely covered up which may actually

exist inside of the pyramid. >> Mhm. So I was very excited when I saw this originally. And they did a great model, which I'll show here in just a second, that shows that complete shaft and chamber system coming out of the Queen's Chamber. So I wanted to highlight this as a very possible of something that was reported you know, in the late 1800s, early 1900s when they were doing the original excavations, but has now been completely covered up and ignored and dismissed as

not possible. But they are showing that it could exist. And I just have to remark the fact that in this tomography, we are not observing the corridors, descending corridors. Mhm. Yes. There are two reasons. maybe they can be both of them. The first one is that in order to detect those corridors, we have to be very sure that the

tomographic line goes to intercept those corridors, okay? in that case, we need speed. We need the real time of acidity. Yeah. The second is that probably is not possible because the corridor is too I am orientated to the first to the first one that the tomographic line we

used is not perfectly oriented on the corridor because the corridor is very small. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll show a vertical diagram of the alignment of the chambers so that we can all take a look at that in relation to the discussion of the tomographic line. My only other point on this one is again the subterranean chamber that's embedded in the bedrock is not detected in this scan, which is a similar issue to what you had with the

Coffer project is that it's not able to detect this bedrock excavated chamber. Which is a an issue when you extrapolate scanning into the bedrock to detect structures a kilometer underground. I tell you, a piece of corridor, it is possible to to detect the deposit this. Here, I can do I can do it here. Yeah. So, so basically, what he's pointing at is sort of this line here. But, how can you differentiate from a

scientific perspective between all of the background interference >> with light, it doesn't really matter. Yeah, cuz there's a lot of background interference here. Yes. Yes. When you are dealing with light, you have a laser. The laser travels the the free space and goes to the target. You see the target very well because the light travels only the empty space and not the matter. Here, the acoustics are traveling

in the matter. And matter is a mess. Is the matter the underneath that is the a mess, not the acoustics that we are using to detect the matter. I don't know if if I am explaining well this. So, the composition of the bedrock itself is interfering with the register of the Okay? That's that's problematic. Because especially if you're trying to

scan into a kilometer of bedrock. >> You you got you can do it this. Here, we are dealing to retrieve information of things very Very small chambers. Very small >> the passages is small going down into the subterranean chamber. >> But, the background is composed by other targets. But, Filippo, maybe can you address the basic point Jeffrey's making that the composition of the bedrock is important for the veracity or

accuracy of the findings that you get. And so, if there's any issues with certain bedrock in these readings where granite is better than limestone, and you're trying to go through a kilometer >> Yeah. you know, deep of what is it? >> Bedrock, yeah. Limestone bedrock. >> Limestone bedrock, then then how are you able to be so confident? >> But in that case, we have detected Ah, this is very nice. Yeah. In that case, we have detected things that were really

uh predominant with respect to the bedrock, how you say? Background detection. Mhm. We will arrive to the or we arrive Yeah, I have everything. Okay. >> So, I included I included everything to make sure that people could see all of the information. >> But I think we have to do part one and part two. >> I get what he's saying, which is like if you control for um the background micro vibrations being created by really like these are large

mega structures. And so, if you're trying to find a, you know, a small chamber, and then you could have issues on bedrock even if the whole thing is happening superficially. Whereas, if you're looking at mega structures >> And this is also very different. The process in scanning from space as compared to the vetted technology of muon scanning, which is done inside with detectors inside of the structure, you have to anticipate some flexibility in the ability to detect small components

that cuz again, you're scanning from a satellite, from space. So, there so >> This is I mean, another really interesting question is all of your cases of validation involve structures that might be below the surface of the earth, but not this far below. Do you have validation that exists in the case of things? I mean, obviously like it's hard to go a kilometer plus deep just generally. I think very you know, very few mining and excavation sites have done that. But do you have any >> No, I have uh that's gone that deep?

I did a lot of pilot tests with companies. Uh-huh. And uh more than 100% successful. But Really? >> it's another another case because here we are dealing with Sure. When you say when when you say pilot test with companies, so this is used in a commercial context. >> are moving in commercial. Yes, absolutely. Got it. Okay. And this is like mining and mining. Okay. Then these are I assume you have to be somewhat cheeky about this cuz you're under NDA

or sort of thing. Okay. >> Yes, I am under NDA, so I can't say But you have >> more than this. But you have you have 100% success. Like no no one >> 100. More. How do you go more than 100? They follow me every 5 minutes. Okay. So they're really pumped to work with you. >> more than this. And I mean that's that's fascinating. The mining and metallurgical applications of the technology Yeah. >> are directly applicable to the specific geology, metal There's metal ore mineral

deposits all over the Giza Plateau. Yeah. You're familiar Have we Have we have I don't know if we've talked about >> this because this is very interesting. I'll show it in just a minute because there's there's iron ore metal mineral deposits all over and below the Giza Plateau. Yeah. We have chemical analysis data from these iron hydrothermal mineral deposits embedded in the bedrock that are permeated with rare earth elements, gold, silver, things like platinum and titanium have

been discovered in these metal ore veins embedded in the bedrock of the Giza Plateau. So there's a a correlation between the applications that he's describing for this technology and the investigation of the truth of what's really below the Giza Plateau. Yeah, we may differ on our interpretation about that, but we absolutely agree that there is something down there that is absolutely important to understand. I always I always love when I bump up >> I always love when I bump up against the limits of what Flippo can say because I

do feel confidence coming from him that there's like a lot that isn't quite open source that you know both commercially and defense wise that he just can't really talk about. >> Sure, yeah. And we've talked privately about that as well. >> no, it's okay. It's okay. But yeah, again unless you're like a great con man which I don't I don't think you are. Yeah, and my my only questions in regard to this is the the Queen's Chamber, look. Yes.

What What But what about But what about the Grand Gallery >> and the the But that's that's good. But we're completely missing the Grand and the King's Chamber. >> I tell you why. >> So you have one out of three. Well, let him Okay, so what Yeah, why do you say >> you why. We we go back into the the the the the things that I told that that that we were discussing

um 5 minutes ago. In this tomographic line, you don't see the Grand Gallery, but the Grand Gallery is good that I don't see it because I can see the air that is inside the Grand Gallery. It's good. The The Grand Gallery is a tube like that. Correct. The top of the Grand Gallery then you you have the air blue and then and then I don't see nothing. I see the the the the Queens chamber. It's

It's good like that. You move the tomographic line, you integrate and you perform a 3D reconstruction. But to do this we we need the computer, Jeffrey. >> a rise of of GPUs that at the moment I don't have. >> What's the word you're using? A rise of >> A rise. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A mainframe like that. An array An array of GPUs. That's what I thought you said. Sorry, I'm Latin. No, no, no, no, no. It's okay. Yeah, yeah. Um Yeah, yeah. So you need you need more compute essentially and you you need to do this be able to do this in real time live.

>> have a thousands of GPU, we can do it. So how how much, out of curiosity, how much money would that require? I don't I I can't this tell you now. I don't know. >> What if there's some some investor in the audience that wants to help you out? How what would Is there a certain amount that would help you? Maybe with I don't know with I don't know. I don't We Okay. millions millions. The overall millions, yes. We can we can we can have

We will speak about the foundation that we are standing in Malta. It's set setting up in Malta. We have We have rented a nice place where we have installed it a solar power plane power station. >> And inside there, we we would like to to set up a data center. Mhm. And there, if we have

donators, we can buy a mainframe with a with an array of GPUs. Oh, we should just for humanity somebody should some somebody should do this not for for profit but just to No, no, for the man. No, no, no. Just to like >> The foundation works Yeah. philanthropical. No, it's it's it's it seems like money well spent if you're you know, you want to go kind of Carnegie gospel of wealth with you know, this this should be like the first time you're so anyway, you're working on too.

you what what do you say Jeffrey to Yeah, those computers. Got it. You there you go. Okay, that's Jeffrey, what do you say to Filippo's point that the Grand Gallery is actually detected. It's just one vertical slice and you see that you do see the air. Yeah, I'll get to that in just a second. Grand Gallery.

here. the deep the big one there >> the big one Yeah. Okay, so the Muon team is saying that it's located directly above the Grand Gallery. the position of the big void that they're actually going to be excavating into the Great Pyramid in 2026 to investigate the big void. So an actual exploration is coming up to get a chance to see what's in there. So again, I'm just objectively looking at these things. I do agree there's a fantastic signature here and we talked

about this too Filippo at the Malta conference that it's a different in the slice. If you move the slice, you might be able to better better detect it. So, another thing here is tag 17 and 18. This is fantastic, you know, that's a thing. Very nice. Um I have it again in a slide. Okay, so let's look at the So, here is the configuration of the Great Pyramid and this is the vertical alignment Mhm. Yeah. of the chambers.

So, you can see if you were to scan the tomographic line at the far left of the King's Chamber. Yeah. You would only pick up the King's Chamber and not pick up any of the other stuff. Mhm. If you scan on the far right of the King's Chamber, you should pick up all of the components because everything would be aligned in the same tomographic slice. Yep. You cannot detect the King's Chamber without also picking up the Grand Gallery, Queen's Chamber,

>> scans. Correct. Correct. Yeah. There's also >> the array of GPUs? Sure. But there's This is This is kind of an an explanation for why that may be the case is the different slices that break it >> Could have been on the left. >> You may do a slice down the middle that picks up the King's Chamber and the Queen's Chamber here and here, but it doesn't pick up the Grand Gallery. >> Yep. So, this is an explanation for why we get register of certain chambers with

different tomographic lines because we're just slicing down the middle and the slice doesn't always land on all three simultaneously. Okay, so the next one here is the discovery of this new passage. Yeah. Right? On the northern side of the Great Pyramid, they just drilled >> to say this. We discovered it for the first for the first time. So, that That's amazing. Is that true? So, what were let me explain what we have here. So, we have tag 17 and tag 18, which is

showing this little passage here. >> That's the corridor. Yep. Yep, right And it starts right here under the chevrons, which is where they found this passage. And we have an overlay of the chevrons and the new passage that was discovered. Mhm. My only issue on this >> Yes. is that the signature actually starts out here. >> Mhm. Yeah. You know, I mean Multiple reflections of the radar. So, reflections of the radar. >> multiple reflections. The interaction of

the electromagnetic waves from the the floor of the pyramid and the pyramid can give you multiple reflections. It's normal. And that multiple reflections are affects also the tomographic line. Okay. So, you're saying reflections of the radar >> Yeah. can create signatures that would appear similar Yes. to the signature of an actual chamber. >> No, it can be mitigated only having multiple scans. And so, you can average your results and you see them absolutely

Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm I'm with you. Yeah. All right. It's simple that on the chevron the chevron. And you are detecting the chevron. Look. Yeah. Yeah, here. Right here. >> you multiple reflections? >> would Because you have the pyramid, then you have the chevron like that and you have the other the and then you have such multipath of the radar. Are you saying that tag 18 wasn't even known by >> it was it was known. The chevrons are are visible on the

>> Tag 17 was not known. Yeah. So, they they recently And what is tag 17? >> It's just a it's a dead end shaft. You can see the overlay of it here. >> Yeah. So, they they recently >> remarkable that he he discovered it basically through the Is that Before >> They detected it. Yeah, they this was this was detected by the team in 2020 >> Okay. and they recently went inside of this with a microscopic camera. They drilled in below the shaft to look into this dead end. It's a dead end shaft on the northern side of the

Great Pyramid. And if you go to the result and you if you switch off the over the overlay, you can detect also the the top of the corridor and the floor of the corridor. There are two lines. Yeah, the top here and the bottom here. Yeah. And you can measure also. And if you compare the measurements with the video because they scan it, are the same. And then you see that is 9 m longer. I don't remember, but it's 9 m

There is something, a piece of stone that goes, but here you can see what there is over that piece of stone which which is I I tell you here. And I I am waiting somebody that is discovering that anticamera. Anticamera? You mean antichamber? What? Anticha- It's a chamber. I call it anticamera. It's a chamber. Okay. And that chamber to the Grand Gallery.

And then allows you in my for me also to go naturally to the big void that is the real the real position of the big void is that one. Mhm. Okay. Jeffrey, the future will will give what Sure. What can what Yeah. is able to give. So I will say um so I love it. So Matt Bell >> Yeah. from the Limitless podcast >> yeah. is involved in financing of the development of robotics to investigate

the shafts in the Queen's Chamber. Cool. They're going to be sending a robot up the northern shaft to drill in the comparable feature known as Gantenbrink's door, which was investigated in the southern shaft. They're going to be drilling through a new piece with a new robot on the northern side. And they're also collaborating on the investigation of the big void. So, they will be it's been approved, but everything keeps getting pushed back and pushed back and pushed back and pushed back as things

happen in Egypt. Supposedly on the table for 2026 that they're actually going to be drilling into and investigating the big void. That's remarkable and I think, you know, it sounds like Fillipo is making a prediction there. I also think, I do think it's amazing that Tag 17, this corridor dead end shaft he's sort of, you know, you know, they made a claim there and they found it. >> Yeah, so this was 2020. This was before the the recent I believe this was detected with the muon scans. The muon scanning.

>> So, the muon group Yes. >> Pyramids project is the sanctioned and approved scanning team that they have used for these projects. They really only collaborate with this Scan Pyramids team. You know, we were just talking off camera about how much we're both enjoying this conversation. So me, too. And a lot of people have have misinterpreted my questioning of the data as disbelief or an attempt to

debunk, but that's not really the case at all. And they just they don't understand that we have an existing relationship and again It's It is true that we It's good that we discuss about the results because the results is not like a religion, no. It is something that No, I I I I love that can discuss I love that first you the fact that you're saying it's not a sacred cow or a third rail, it's just a thing you can talk about and, you know, you can criticize and you can defend and, you know, it's all good. That's a beautiful thing, that commitment to the

kind of, you know, Socratic process. But, I was also, Jeffrey and I were talking, I think a lot of these go into like it's like it's always framed as adversarial. It's always It's always, you know, um skeptic and debunker versus, you know, person making some bold claim. And then, the person the skeptic doesn't even look at the assertions and make first principles argument. It turns into this kind of devolves into ad hominems and you get into these high-level heuristics

of probabilistically this thing can't be true or whatever. And what I love about this conversation is and then we can get out of the meta and get back into the first principle. But, it it it's that you are really just asking questions that I think everybody wants to know that are at the first principles level and they're they're reasonable >> captivated by this process. Again, when I found this in 2022, I was like, this is super important. Whether it's true or it's not, it's the development of new

technology and an approach that could eventually be implemented into something very significant, which is the purpose of all the videos that I've made about this. Have prefaced it with saying, this is the type of technology we need. We're on the precipice of a greater understanding using unique methodology to understand the structures that's going to get us to the deeper >> Yes. And Filippo, you said during the conversation that it's still in the initial stages >> Yes. and there's improvements that can be made with the technology, further

investigations that need to happen. >> We need total hardware. Yeah. Hardware and power. >> Can I ask one thing actually before we get back into this, which is um speaking of skeptics, I did watch Flint Dibble's video about you and I found a lot of it to be a little ridiculous. But, there were certain points he made which I think were We can discuss now. If you remember >> remember I remember one one point which I found very valid. Well, one of the points was like it's too hot to build that deep. It's too hot to build artificial structure.

>> We Okay. >> So, that felt reasonable, and we can get to that. It's connected to the the the heat is connected to our research project that the third part of this of this research going in situ, but we will discuss at the end of this Okay. Okay. So, we'll tease you there. No, no, no. So, yeah, let's let's definitely circle back on that. And then the second one, which I think relates more to this discussion we were just you know, having around the commercial use cases of this technology, is he said you

deals is connected to the first patent, uh uh gives huge novelty, but I can't speak about this. Well, fair enough. Yeah, you definitely should >> Because it's a disclosure. Yeah, no. Don't telegraph your IP. I think the question I would have is if the first patent is in some way related to the second patent, >> Yeah. and I might it might be a gateway if I'm a scientist, and I figure out what's going on in the first patent, which you have telegraphed it is in the

>> Yeah. I read it, it helps me figure out the second patent. Why wouldn't you also try to maintain the first patent, and just keep enforcing it? Yes, but I tell you Jesse the question of patent or in the commercial or in the philanthropic, I want to work on the philanthropic and also in the commercial because I like to to work with my technique is for me is very exciting. But yes, the patent will give you the rights to be

only the the alone to only me give me the the rights to commercialize the exclusively this technique, okay? But the important thing is also the technology that is behind the the the software, no? Software is crucial in this in this in this deal. So Got it. Yes, patent or patent, but you you need the software. Okay. Yeah, and and and and I that's a good answer because you speak to most people in fields of

aerospace or kind of hard science and they'll always say patents are barely enforceable. Yeah. Uh there it's really it's really about trade secrets and it's about knowing how to do something that no one else is going to figure out. It's not really about the patent. So uh I appreciate you addressing that. >> it's not so important, but and now we have a second patent. but the the the crucial point here is the technology and the technology is made by hardware and software. Yeah.

It's it's funny. It's like, you know, I don't know what why would you go out and make a YouTube video and just in this shrill way start like, you know, yelling at you instead [laughter] of just be like, "Hey Filippo, like my name's Flint. Like, you know, like why did you let your patents expire?" Cuz that that answer I feel, you know, you have a reasonable response there. So I don't know. It's interesting. But um Jeffrey, I think you should continue with your kind of first principles question next to you. >> think this is why this conversation is working because like we're friends. Like

we've met before and we've spent personal time together. The important thing for me as I've shown in this presentation is that if we do have novel structures, it's critical that they can be interpreted into a functional hypothesis. For example, the shaft system below the Queen's Chamber, it's been reported in archaeological documents and you should have a model that interprets that into the function of the structure, which I've shown it's part of the extraction shaft system that

was used to remove the product solution from the Great Pyramid. So, I have done that in my work is entertain these ideas, although speculative at this point because we haven't done actual archaeological excavations to prove any of this yet. I've taken it and incorporated it in a hypothetical working model where these new structures actually fit with what I've proposed. For example, the big void, it's in a perfect location for a heat exchanger. Mhm.

Right. Anytime you have exothermic reactions within a structure or an operating chemical manufacturing apparatus, you want a mechanism that can remove some of that thermal energy from the system. And the big void, although it's shown by the muon team in a little bit different position located above the Grand Gallery is the ideal position for a heat exchanger that would remove some of that thermal energy from the reaction in the Grand Gallery. >> Mhm. Which we can get into much deeper

So, you know, we've talked about the initial scans. Here on the left is the first of the 3D models. So, before what we had is an overlay of the processed focus data on top of existing archaeological diagrams. What we have now are the new 3D models Filippo, can you explain how these 3D models were developed? Who made these and how were they created? The 3D model was done by the authors of the paper.

it was done by Corrado and me. Right. Together. Right. So, basically what they've done is take the focused data and interpreted it into a new model showing all of these features that they've discovered, which we'll get into that now. So, talking about the position of the big void. Okay, so again, the Scan Pyramids project in this muon scanning. So, muon scanning involves cosmic ray These cosmic rays

that come down from the atmosphere, there's a a series of detection devices that are put inside the pyramid. You can see them here in the Queen's Chamber, and they also have some on the outside of the pyramid on the northern side. And essentially these muon detectors detect the absorption and diffraction of these muon rays that are passing through the pyramid structure, right? So, these cosmic rays actually do permeate the

The chambers will reflect them in different directions, and the detectors monitor the difference between the body of the pyramid and the chambers of the pyramid, which by the way, I will say it's an energy matter conversion that's going on there, too. And so, it's similar, you know, for the people who are like, you can't derive matter through like, you know, energetic means. Like, you know, it's sort of, you know, somewhat analogous technique. >> So, in this instance, they're just using natural energetic electromagnetic energy

that's coming from the atmosphere. Muons, yeah, cosmic rays. Cosmic rays. >> Not electromagnetic. Okay. So, can you clarify the difference? >> Is the same. The principle is the same. Right. Is it Is it cosmic ray not electromagnetic? No, no, no. Electromagnetics are photons, light. Yeah. Cosmic rays are particles that are very small that penetrates matter. Like, I think I associate cosmic rays with neutrons. Is that roughly And the neutron is very big.

>> Or cosmic radiation. Is a very big. >> Very big. Neutron is like a bullet that is very big and it's is the principal So, what particles would you associate with cosmic rays? Um ne- ni- neutron neutrone. Mm. Is a big bullet. Mm. Big one. Mm. That is the principal actor of the fission in nuclear energy production reaction, Because the neutron goes to another atom

that a split splits the atom of uranium and splits and generates other three neutrons that goes to split other atoms. And so, the chain reaction is activated after a so-called critical mass, okay? Of uranium 235 that has been enriched at least from

up to 90%. Mm, it depends of the application in the civilian application so in in civilian so power plants atomic power plants not nuclear atomic power plants are 20 20 25 28% of enrichment now for sale maybe less 15% enrichment I don't remember exactly the number and then well you can go also in 90% for other

kind of application are smaller so they penetrate the the the huge mass of the of the pyramid but while they are traveling along a line of when they when they find a void the law of >> refraction yeah they can change slightly

the orientation of the of the of of of the path like that and so the detectors can will detect and a history of these muons while are traveling the the good thing is that muons are because they are the cosmic ray and they are very they are it is like a

transmission that is parallel because they come from very far and so they are parallel it's a parallel transmission so it is like a plane wave in the electromagnetics in the term of signal processing I can do it blind though that signal processing is a very basic signal processing that they use all the the detectors are detecting the muons and so you have a nice story a history of integration because I think that that they that that they has to be

there months. Yeah, it sits there for a long time. >> an integration of months. technique is it's not so different because you have to do you have to focus the raw data there. You have to do an FFT in order to retrieve the the tomographic slides that belongs between the tomographic line is is due by the detectors that are that are in the in the chamber and what

do you see is the a vertical curtain that starts from the detector to the end of the pyramid. That's the your your Only there. Yeah. And in 6 months, I don't know how many tomographic slice you you can retrieve. It depends on the on the detector width that you have inside the chamber. So this muon technology is the accepted

and utilized archaeological procedure for detecting these internal chambers and as you can see here they had these muon scanning devices and the detectors set up in the Queen's Chamber and they were investigating the presence of this big void. And you can see here a big so again to to clarify the difference, the muons actually do penetrate the body of the structure and the detectors are measuring the difference in the reflection and the absorption of the rays as they pass through the various

chambers and they only show so they don't show like Filippo's work does a two-dimensional slice. So it doesn't have the same tomographic line capability. The raw data that they show in this paper is only a top-down view because that's the way the detectors are looking, right? So, they're looking up. >> But because they don't know how to do Because you can't I don't I don't say anything now because you can do also tomography with that. They don't know how to do it. Okay.

Because you can do but I don't I I don't say things that then they they can replicate. Yeah, and that's why I incorporated this because I wanted to hear your professional interpretation and opinion on this accepted technology and the reason why there might be a difference in what they're showing versus what you are showing because there's there has to be an explanation. >> That's a two-dimensional uh horizontal plane, not vertical plane, but it's good. We can We can interpret it like that. But you can do also using

muons also tomography. You can do it. Can we get a little context on who's doing the muon scans and when? So, this has been going on So, I'm I'm certainly no expert in this. This paper is published by um They work with a Japanese team that's been sponsoring and providing the funding for all of this working in conjunction with the Ministry of Antiquities and I think this was published I don't have the publishing date, but this was um But muon detection generally in the context of the great great pyramids

or the Giza Plateau rather would date back to like the '70s I >> Yeah, so they actually So, they they muon scanned the central pyramid back in the '70s and I have that paper in here as well so we can discuss the muon scanning of the central pyramid compared to the new SAR scanning. I'm not an I'm again I'm not an expert in the technology. That's why I would defer to Filippo to answer the >> you you went in the detail about this paper because So, are now explaining me

how we can read their data, their results. Sure, that is important. >> Yeah, and again, I I I wanted to be as transparent as possible in the conversation where I present all of the information that we have to analyze all of it in conjunction with what the SAR team has presented. And this is just the opposing technology that has been conventionally accepted. Because again, SAR is new, it's controversial. People are either loving it or hating it, but

this theory that dinosaurs were wiped off the face of the earth due to an asteroid impact. And it wasn't really accepted for a long time. I think I want to say this paper I'll I'll I'll look at the the name sounds familiar and he may be the author of this cuz it was during the 1970s when they muon scanned the central pyramid. >> So, this was this idea that 66 million years ago you had this, you know, big asteroid impact and it wasn't really respected until until later on. And so, I do think the muon scanning was always a little bit more accepted, but it is it is interesting, you know, that things

start stigmatized and then they they often come back. this technique, you can't separate. This is important that I I have to It's good. I I I love this But you can't separate vertical layers. So, you see you are watching here the sum of all the vertical layers composing the pyramid. The layers. The layers, yeah, vertical layers. No, vertical layers. No, sorry. Horizontal layers. Vertical layers. The vertical is some of all the

horizontal layers that the sensitivity, probably a cone sensitivity, the detectors are watching. Correct. And they also mentioned this in the other paper, the cone of detection is mentioned in the paper regarding the central pyramid scan. So, what we're looking at here is again, it's the focused processed data of the muon detection process. And and what we have here at A They can detect a pseudo

vertical sensitivity by using two or more observations. So, you put a detector here >> Correct. Yeah, you can see the two and you put a detector there and you and you in the muon domain. With photogrammetry, they can, let's say, with an get twice the approximation of the position of the big void because they are not sure because you have a base of

difference of difference in viewing in the muon domain. Yeah, so the view angle of the muon detectors, you can see here that the one placed inside the the Queen's Chamber is looking up. And then they have the second detector on the northern face so that it's looking up in this direction and then into the structure so that they can do a comparison between what's detected on scanner A and scanner B to to come up

with a composite image of the location of this new void. So again, I I thought this was important to include and this is the data. So, A is the signature on all four of these of the King's Chamber. B is the location of the Grand Gallery. And here is the detection of the new void. So, they're showing it. Again, this is not very reassuring either. Look at What am I Yeah, yeah, exactly. I I I I mean I'm sorry, Jeffrey, but my

results are better than this. Well, no, I Filippo, that's why I put this in here was for the exact reason. and I still have no idea what it I tell you, I will translate, but to all the Italians is it it come a kid a lost a Selvina bono is like asking the owner of the restaurant if his wine is good.

>> So, that's why I include Sorry enough for tomography over in the muons all day. Muon detection. >> Yeah. Okay. So, that's why I put this in here is for the layperson, right? Who's looking at Filippo's data and they're saying, "I can't understand anything of what I'm seeing here. It just looks like a bunch of mess." >> Yeah, yeah. If you look at this, this looks like a bunch of mess, too, right? And you really have to have an expert at that particular scanning technology do a detailed assessment of what we're actually looking at here. Even

>> But this the reason I put this in is is this is the the data that they have used to justify the archaeological excavations that will occur to investigate the big void. This is what it looks like. Oh, yeah. I mean it looks >> It's like, what the hell are we looking Yeah, I mean it's So, when I I I I pulled this up after I did Danny's show we were talking Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. No, it looks like abstract looks like a nice album cover to me. Yeah. Because I wanted to see I'm

a stickler for looking at the raw data. I don't like looking at the models. I don't like, you know, I want to see the actual Show me what the scans show. Like we were talking about with the labyrinth in Hawara scan. Yeah. >> Show me the actual scan. Well, this was a I mean I don't want to get too off topic. Yeah, yeah, and then we'll bring this up in our one-on-one, but you you you mentioned to me right before the podcast. I was like, "What about that 40-m long Tic Tac shaped object in the labyrinth and underneath Hawara?" And you were like, "That was only written about in a blog post." And I I

To be honest, I'm a fan of Ben Van Kerkwijk, so that was the first time I had heard And he was kind of pouring a little cold water on your stuff as if that was less tested than the Tic Tac shaped object, but I It's been interesting to see the reaction of the community. >> It's been interesting to see the reaction of the community. >> Yeah. And people on cuz we're all in this community of alternative ancient >> Yeah. And the reaction of some people again has been complete rejection immediately. Some people love it. 100%

no objections, but there's nobody that's really taking a middle ground on this and asking honest objective questions. It's like That's I'm kind of honored to be in the position to be here to have this conversation because I've invested a lot of time >> Yeah. in trying to understand this. Yeah. I've read the papers. I've looked at the conventional scanning stuff. I've investigated the muon data. And this is super important to my overall work is making sure that we really understand what's going on here. >> Love it. And it's Let's keep going. It's

just been weird to see the reactions of people in the community where you're they're either debunking it or they're on board 100% and there's nobody that's really Well, it's just ego. It You like your identity gets wrapped up in a position and then you pre-crystallized knowledge and it it you you end up engaging in bad thinking. Instead of being like, "Ah, damn. I don't want that to be true, but just the facts seem like it's true, you know? And it's [laughter] you I cut >> Yes, see if I can add to something

I may say this. If a mutual collaboration between the ScanPyramid project and maybe our research team will be possible, I think things will go better. So, muons Muons and mass start of the tomography. Plus mass muon maybe things will be >> Sure. Sure. Well, I think it would also be a way

because muons are more tried and true and accepted in a conventional scientific sense, they for them it would be like, "Oh, this pattern matches." You know, like what we are deriving from the muon detection. I think where it gets tough is, you know, trying to get a kilometer deep with the muons. I think that's You know, that's But muons Yes, it's Yes, that's true because you have to go 1 km >> Yeah, yeah, do that. Look at install the detector and then you see what there is. >> Yeah. And for that you need the Ministry of Culture to let you go down there and

do that. With a collaboration, not the separation. A collaboration. So, I work with you. You work with me. We share what we have and we share our knowledge and our gaps. Love it. Okay. Yeah. >> And so, sharing knowledge and gaps, I think things will work better. Right. In my best interest. Yeah. Yeah. So, so my next question here, and as we'll see in just a moment, the SAR team has detected some features that go around

the King's Chamber. Filippo, you >> So, that is the King's Chamber. >> Yeah, here A. They say that A is the King's Chamber. Correct. And as I'll show you You remember You know what I'm I'm about. The features that go around the King's Chamber. >> Yeah. So, why do you think that they haven't shown that when you're picking it up on your data? And I'll I'll fast forward a little bit here. This 3D >> Yes. So, here is the big void. You're showing it more transverse. Transverse,

like that. Yes. >> They're depicting as more longitudinal. Their Their scans show it north to south. Yeah. Yours is showing it east to >> Yeah. And you're detecting these features that are possibly connected into the big void >> Yes. that go around >> Yes. the King's Chamber. This is the King's Chamber here at the center. >> the the King's Chamber The top of the King's Chamber. >> below. The top of the King's Chamber. >> Correct. Yeah. And then Ah, okay. So, >> And then you have this feature here. Yeah. We cannot overlap the results of

the muon with the that. Right. Right. Correct. One on. So, my question is Yeah. why is nothing like that shown here when you are detecting it on your data? I don't know why. Because they are not able to detect things. Jeffrey, in that results I am a scientist, so I am very used to read the mess. Yes. >> information inside things that

that I'm I'm seeing nothing there. Can I Can I ask you differently? I'm sorry, yeah. But I I I I'm I'm seeing nothing. I agree. I don't This is This is very difficult to read. >> Can I ask you differently? Are Are Are there other examples of things where muon detection fell short as far as predicting a structure uh that we know existed? We know the structure existed, muons fell short. There's another comparison coming up here in just a moment of the scan results where it's not showing something Yeah. that the SAR

team So, again, there's there hasn't been much competition in the archaeological space where we're comparing these different technologies. So, now we're in a unique position where there is a competitor technology to the muon scanning where we're saying, "Okay, this is showing this. This isn't showing it. Sometimes this, you know, so there's this is But I mean in any archaeological or scientific context, like cuz that would be really helpful because if it's like muons never miss, then I'm like, "Okay, you got a false positive on the

SAR Doppler tomography." Yeah. If it's like, "But there are a few times where muons do miss in these other cases." I do think that's Sure. Yeah, yeah. And and again, I would love to see some control. Yeah, so we have a King's Chamber here and I can move the Oh, that's the King's Chamber. >> King's This is the King's Chamber A and this is the Grand Gallery here and what Filippos' team is detecting is a structure that goes around the King's Chamber here And what I think as I saw in in those results, in these

pictures, more pictures, which I repeat, is the sum of all the horizontal layers that I tell here publicly, the research team of the muon team, there is a method to discriminate different layers. Right. They are not applied. To pull slices. Yes. >> They're just looking at the composite Yeah. Correct. You can You can do it. Okay. They can do it. Okay. Maybe I can move it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go for it. Go.

So, this uh This is the top of the Z. Correct. >> Yeah, so it's looking down at the top of the pyramid. Correct. Okay. This is the Let's say is the King's Chamber. Correct. A is the King's Chamber in this these images. Yeah. Then, this is something related to the Grand Gallery. Correct. B, the arrow pointing to B is the Grand Gallery. Correct. On the other hand, they they are detecting the queens, the the the the king's a

chamber. Yep. >> On another view angle. Yes. Yes. Obvi- obviously, B this is the Grand Gallery. Yep. Okay. So, we have two different view angles. This geometry and this geometry. Very good. And also other geometries. This and also this. The important thing that I am observing that here you have things. This and this. Yeah, that's that's the new

void. Yeah, wait. Yes. And this. Yep. you have only this. Why here you have only this and here you have this and this? Which is the difference? Because the orientation seems similar. There's anything on the beta? Yes. Why? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I tell you what is maybe they are confusing something.

The Yeah, so here here are the explanations of the positioning. All right. And this this breaks down the whole graph and then here on this side are sort of the uh Oh, but yes, the the reflectivity, okay. Can we go to the previous slide, please, Jeffrey? Okay, this. It can be that this is the Grand Gallery top roof and this is the Grand Gallery floor and they are in Italy we say

taking catsi per contrabassi. No? Uh taking cut What do you mean? No, no, don't say No, don't say it. Don't say it. things to other things. They are confusing. Uh It is possible that this is the floor of the Grand Gallery because are parallel, same shape, and this is the roof of the Grand of the Grand Gallery because it's very high, the Grand Gallery. Sure. Of course, yes,

in my personal opinion. And look, This is the Grand Gallery. This because it it has a shape a rectangular shape, maybe. Maybe look this or this. They have to do other This is not the Grand Gallery. This is the top roof and the and the bottom of the same structure. So, the Grand Gallery. Okay. So, so yeah, are you saying they might

have misinterpreted >> the results? Interesting. That's >> Why I have to build a big void parallel They say the big void is parallel to the Grand Gallery. Why? Why I have to go I I have to I have to I have to build an inclined uh so-called big void. And we are detecting the big void where they are detecting the real big void. >> So, let me clarify. >> Yes. Their results are suggesting that the big void is not parallel, but it's

directly above. You see this area with the positive? So, this is where they're picking up the signature of the big >> the the the photogrammetry that that they that they are doing. So, that's why I included this is because I wanted to get your opinion Yeah. on these results and compare them again what what he's showing on his team is an east-to-west transverse big void that's located more down here. And and parallel because the the the

floor and the roof are parallel like that. What the what the muon team is suggesting that the big void is here and >> directly above with the same angle as the Grand Gallery. They basically described it as a copy of the Grand Gallery directly above it. So, there's just a difference between these two things. And and we haven't verified in either The the only way to figure it out is to go in there. Yeah. Which they're going to do and we're going to see exactly what's what.

>> Oh, I can't wait. Hopefully in 2026. >> Because because if you go in there and you figure out who's right, muon or SAR Doppler tomography, that lends a lot of credence to the substructure readings of SAR Doppler tomography if you find a positive result. >> Sure. Yeah. >> Now, the thing is the Egyptian Ministry of Antiquities believes in this so much Yeah. that they are willing to do the excavations based on this data. So, to me that is staggering. What's

your take on it? >> Because when I look at this, I have the same reaction as Filippo. >> Oh, really? >> Is how how could you possibly say with any certainty that what you're detecting here is real? Base you know, it's the same argument [laughter] How how big is the community of experts that know how to read muon >> too, right? That's why we're having a conversation with an expert because the community in ancient alternative history >> we are not experts in radar. My question

as when it comes to reading muon scans uh that seems like a expertise or specialty. Have you been Have you read a lot of these and are you good at that or are are there people out there that are good at that? You're just basing their misinterpretation off your result. Yes. I In this moment is the first time, thanks to Jeffrey, that explaining me how to read the data. Okay. Okay. I got it. I got it. So, we are in front of of Based on these results, they are doing

ex- uh drilling. They are They are Should we Should we show this to somebody who's read a lot of muon scans and be like So I will say that in the paper, like you guys did, they also presented all of the mathematical analysis of the data detection, but I didn't put that in here because it's it's way beyond any of our But this is >> a This is a question of of geo- of geometry. Uh please uh please uh please look.

If you watch the dimension of the King's Chamber and the top of the Z A, so the distance, the horizontal distance of So these things should actually be connecting. You know, this should be connected into this. So So that's an That's an error. Well, it also depends on [snorts] Again, like he's saying, it's a composite of horizontal layers. Right. The only part of the Grand Gallery that connects into the King's Chamber is on [clears throat] the top

layer. Uh-huh. As you go down in the structure, the integration between the King's Chamber, Antechamber, and Grand Gallery, there is no more connection between the two. So basically, what Filippo is pointing out here is this signature and this signature here. And he's saying that instead of this secondary signature being reflective of a new chamber, it's actually part of the Grand Gallery where where this is the top of the chamber and this is the lower

portion of the chamber. Okay. Got it. Yeah. Okay. So I I just I wanted to show what the existing technology was Yeah. so that the layperson can see the difference between the two, what the data looks like, and see how much of a it's a difficult process to understand what is going on with any of this stuff. There's a so so thing. >> are not an expert in that particular scanning technology. >> Well, we should send this to people who are good at reading muon scans, but

you're saying Jeffries, we know that they do get that disconnection wrong, that little point. We know for sure. >> as as Filippo said, it could be a byproduct the same way with SAR technology. What the slice are? >> where it doesn't pick up all of the chambers because of the particular >> This may not be vertical slices. But horizontal layers. >> Yeah. Where they're not picking the layer. But they're picking the sum, the vertical sum of all the layers. So it should have it. If it's a sum of top to

>> Yes. It should integrate all of that into one and it should show that cuz the King's Chamber connects into the Antechamber which connects into the top of the Grand Gallery. So if this is actually and you can kind of see it >> So so why are they missing that >> So so let me let me show it here. So here. They actually do kind of show, you could see what would be the Antechamber here. Yeah. The King's Chamber here and this is the Grand Gallery. Okay. This would be the Antechamber and this is the King's Chamber and that's accurate to

the configuration. So in this one they actually do show. >> But what is the big void there? So this doesn't show necessarily the big void. To me it's not visible in this image. But. This is the mathematical detection of it here It is possible to read the results of the analysis of It is another scintillation. So this explanation down at the bottom gets way deep into the technical weeds where.

It would take a in-depth discussion with an expert to understand what's. What simulated data? No no those are simulated data. Simulated data. Simulated data. >> No no no simulated data are Simulated >> not real. It's a simulated. It's a simulation data. Simulated data. So, you're saying this is a simulation. So, it says simulated >> data. corrected image. >> See, it's not real. The real one is the We have only that that. Right. Yeah. So,

is there a process, like you said with your data, of focusing? So, is that what they're doing here? Is focusing and correcting the image? >> That's a simulation. Our numbers are synthetic numbers. Are not real measurements. Okay. So, it's not real. It's just to to show the the processing that are doing. It's not real data. Okay. And again, there's I only picked the

data images for this presentation because I just wanted to compare and contrast the raw data from your team in comparison to the raw data from the Muon Who knows which one of these is right? And again, we're having a conversation with an expert on SAR technology. The next person we should have in this round table is an expert on Muon technology so that we could all understand exactly what's going on. >> not like friendly. He wants today now

here. Maybe we could explain one to each other our results. Now, it'd be so helpful. And I do have the whole paper, but I would have to close this, and then it would be a huge tangent for us to look at the math presented in the paper. >> So, there's a whole paper about this. If anybody wants to do a deep dive into Muon technology, they wrote a deep paper, the same as with your first paper, that includes all the mathematics So, in the scan processing. So, the the TLDR here is that you have Exactly. >> some Exactly.

>> discrepancies between the Muon reading and the SAR Doppler tomography reading. >> Sure. And in some definitely and true method muon detection and in many cases and then at least in the case of that one kind of cul-de-sac shaft we you know tried and true as well. So so my main point with this is from the perspective of the Egyptian Ministry of Antiquities which is the sanction body for investigating the structures. They used this to find the shaft that we just saw that your team also found.

And they're using this data to justify the excavations into the big void. So this is one of the first times that they're going to do a major excavation into the Great Pyramid. So there's only been a few other instances where they've actually drilled into the structure. So that's a major project to be approved by the Ministry of Antiquities. They don't do that lightly, right? It's a big decision when they decide to excavate into the structure. So they do believe in this enough for them to justify this

project. But again, who can make sense of what's what on either one of these things? You really have to have an expert ala Filippo here or an expert on the muon technology to really explain exactly what's going on. Yep. So next I really want to get to the cuz again this could turn into a 6-hour long discussion and we'll be here for the rest of the night. >> we move it fast. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I can skip through this. The reason I wanted to show this section of the paper is because the SAR team is finding other

structures like tag one here on the right is the data shown in tag one here in the model. So this feature here that goes down into the bedrock. >> Yeah. Then there's this step-like feature here. Probably yeah, probably, Again, yeah. So so they're interpreting this data over here on the right >> Mhm. into a model to show their of what this signature actually is.

So, that's all I'm trying to show here is the presentation and the development of the model itself. So, you'll see these different tags, tag one, tag seven, and tag four. Tag seven is this transverse east to west beam-like feature, and then you have these step-like features here. I actually proposed in my video a while back in 2021. So, there have been researchers that have proposed that there was a system of

locks, hydraulic locks, that were used to move blocks up into the pyramids. So, an interesting interpretation for some of these features could be features that are still encased in the body of the pyramid that are remnants of the construction process, like water locks, where they were using water locks to float these stones on rafts up into the pyramid body. So, again, it's it's important for any researcher who's analyzing these things to be able to

have an interpretation of the function. That's kind of my job in this investigation is when I see stuff like this, I either have to assess it from the perspective of the operation of the structure or possible vestiges of the construction process. And it would make sense even if it was like the internal ramp, for example. You would have remnants of that internal ramp inside of the structure. If it was water locks, you would also have remnants of the

vestiges of the water lock system encased in the final structure. So, this is just showing some of the things that the SAR team discovered inside of the Great Pyramid that are new, undiscovered features. Okay. So, we have data on the right and model on the left. >> Okay. Again, this is just going through showing these linear features here Yes. and the different tags that are represented in the model here. So, tag number two is the feature on the other side. So, you have

one here and then two over here. Okay. Same thing with >> Ah, yeah, yeah, this you see it very >> Yeah, here we go into some more where Ah, that the Grand Gallery you see it. Here, yeah, yeah. So, I was going to point that out here. So, this is the Grand Gallery. >> And you see also the that the the the superior part of the Grand Gallery. uh and you go up there there there are futures that are connected to the King's chamber and the The antechamber. Yeah,

the antechamber here. >> is very clear, you see it. Yeah. So, again, this is I'm just showing to everybody who hasn't seen this yet the raw data Mhm. on the right and the of the raw data into the 3D model. So, they're just interpreting the features that they see here into this >> Can I ask you a question? Yes. >> Do any of these structures that they're interpreting from the raw data fly in the face of what conventional

archaeology would think exists inside the pyramid? >> it. All of it. >> All of it. >> Okay. All of this is the only known vetted chambers of the Great Pyramid. King's Chamber Queen's Chamber Grand Gallery and Subterranean Chamber. You have four chambers connected by a system of shafts. We're obviously going to get way deeper into um your theory in our solo episode, but does any of this comport with the

functionality that you think >> I I've integrated all of this into a functional hypothesis. So, I have Filippo, I've entertained all of these speculative features in a model of my hypothesis for how the structure works. For example, the heat exchanger system that goes around the King's Chamber and above the Grand Gallery, the extraction shaft connected into the Queen's Chamber, which is that shaft leading out of it. And I also have a hypothesis for

how these again I have a number of different interpretations for what these vertical features below the pyramids might be. I've not publicly yet, but I do have an interpretation on what those could be. Reason I haven't come out publicly yet is because I think there's still more investigation that needs to be done to verify the configuration of the So again, we have more

basic confusion around the pyramids, it's a perennial debate and question is how they were built. And you have people like I think Jean-Pierre Houdin in France who say that there is something about like, you know, internally like the blocks get pulled up or something. Could any of these structures deal with how the pyramid was constructed? Well that's what I was saying is that so for example in the in the model, you know, these could be remnants or vestiges of a water lock system that were used to move

blocks up into the pyramid. It certainly could be. My only issue with this is the from the data into the model. Yeah, sure. We know? If we had the chance the chance to the video belonging to tomographic lines, things

could be perfect because you are watching something dynamically and you recognize very well the structures. So for example, Yeah. in this one on the top right, Yeah. there's so much going on with this over here. false alarm, yes. False alarm. >> I'm aware that So how Yeah, you have false alarm, but it is only one. You have other others. Right. Yeah, so so we you agree that in all of this raw data,

it's very difficult to say with any based on all of the interference and background data that the model itself, so the data is clearly picking up It's difficult for me to be on board with the model given what I can see in here. What would you say to that, Filippo? Is the level of intricacy given the fact you want to go back one >> Yeah, yeah. Just just given like how in detail and intricate the model is, the

3D model that you guys have derived, and then also given what you just said, which is there's a lot of noise in the raw reading, do do you really think you can stand behind that 3D model? >> Yes. Absolutely, yes. What and why is >> 100% Wow. Because we we have a really a lot of results. >> Only the all on the table. So you Me and Corrado. So you're basically saying you're like a pro at removing the noise? Like you know what's no you can delineate the noise? Cuz you said

there's a lot of noise here. It's not it is not there is not there is a so-called a striped vertical striped noise and we have removed it and all in the new tomographies. That kind of noise, so there is not any more problem. >> Well, then to me it's like the move on scans were like I don't know. Yeah, yeah, you [laughter] can be looking at the one, right? Looking at both of them. And I think Filippo's point about a synergy between the two technologies where they're merging the two techniques is probably the best course of action for really

getting closer to the truth. >> Yes, because you are detecting things and then you use another method another a complete other method to to try and detect the same thing. Yeah. So so for example, Filippo, you said that the scan happens once and it's 15 seconds. And inside of the structure, there are going to be micro-vibrations that are happening just based on the geology and the the you know, seismic movements or anything. So is it possible that some of these

detections of micro-movements are simply the nature of the structure itself where it's going to pick up something inside of the structure that's producing these So so these these images aren't necessarily even background noise, but it could be just foundational elements of the pyramid with tiny little shifts of the block or the slight movement of the earth producing these micro-vibrations that are producing a signature that's picked up on the surface. So it's the difficult thing,

and this is his job because he's the expert, is differentiating between background noise, normal vibrations within the structure, and actual chambers. So that's critical in really understanding this data is the differentiation between each and trying to separate out which is which. >> And but you feel you feel confident in your ability to differentiate. I have to say this also, everything we put we we insert in the 3D

we we analyze it a lot of results. So we I'm I can't say sure, but very confident that probably thinks that we in certain that 3D model are the reality there. Okay. So, let's go to the final 3D model. Which we have. So, this is another good

>> know I look how nice it So, again this this is the Queen's Chamber here. And we have the shaft >> Look the Grand Gallery of the Queen's >> Look that you can see everything there. signature here. And below there is something. >> Here? Uh yes. Or here? Yeah. Yeah. So, again it's he's the expert in interpreting what the actual data is And this is the model that they've created from this perspective. >> Can I just say that the 3D model looks absolutely wild. Like it it looks like a an advanced contraption.

It does not look like you know something that we would normally associate with being built. But he's a nice person. 4,000 years ago let alone you know 10,000 years ago. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. So, the model is wild. Wild. Yeah. And I again my only caveat to the model is like I don't see how you get to the model from the data. Yeah. >> But it's your job as the creator of the software and the developer of the project to take the raw data and turn it

into something that the people can understand. Because But only one result with a better better analysis. Can can can I ask you a question when you measure the Gran Sasso >> Yeah. Go back to that other image. Are you getting that level of granularity with it? Are you getting these instruments and all that stuff? When you see the Gran Sasso laboratory are you that level of when I say granularity that level of specificity? I tell you yes. Really? >> Yes. So, I want to show you and this is an important part of the conversation.

>> Yeah. The proof of concept. So, but we also have like tons of mess. This all in here. >> I have to integrate also in the in the vertical dimension of this tomogram. If I integrate like that. Yes. I I will have uh absolutely less false alarms, but they are not false alarms. They are true

alarms because the the soil the the it is a mess. So, you the result is the So, because why because um the sound does not propagate into the free space, but only but it it is propagating inside the matter and the matter is complicated. So, look. You have

the mess there. I don't know if I if I No. >> no. I I understand. Um but again, from a from a person my entire body of work and anybody who's interested in the function of the Egyptian pyramids, if there is a new novel approach to detecting internal chambers, we want to see consistency of the detection of the known structures. Which in here, we do have a great signature Yeah. down here. Yes.

The Queen's Chamber in this one doesn't have a great signature. Mhm. We have data here that's uh >> the problem of the layover of the of the radar. Yes, that's Yeah. It's it's obscuring the view of any signature from the King's Chamber or the Grand Gallery. But I guess Filippo, would Do know that that's a problem from the layover of the technique? Would you know that if you didn't know the structure? Would you be able to say

>> That's the layover. Yes. >> Really? You say that that pattern matches, that's obviously the data. >> Okay. Yeah, fair enough. If I put whatever any reporter, that's the layover and then those are real structures. And then the Queen's Chamber, like in other cases >> I have a you got you don't have only one, but you have a plethora of results. So And I am able to track it to track into the the tomographic dimension the different targets. And you're sure you just missed the Queen's Chamber because it was too small. Yes. Okay. And you've

>> It is small, but in that particular slice, you don't have it. Yes. You you maybe I don't remember now this case, but because we we did a lot of Okay. I don't remember the case, but probably we we did not align the tomographic slice on the on the on the Queen's Chamber. Okay. Okay. That's new. Yeah, yeah. And and again, what I found really compelling about this one is the signature of this tag here >> Ah, yes. going down from from the Queen's Chamber Yeah. down here into tag

15, which is represented by this blue line here. >> Yeah, this that is that is interesting. So this has again reported in the archaeological excavation that there there is something like this below the Queen's Chamber. >> And did you know >> it's covered up now. Do Filippo, do you have any context on that in the historical record before you made this That's really crazy. That's pretty cool. So that again, you know again, I have >> No, I'm I am listening you this this

last part. So there's there's some there's some positive >> there's some positive things about it. >> also some questions and some negatives where we don't get a conclusive answer. My my objective with this is try to parse through what we can see and what we can't see to try to make a conclusive determination about what structures are actually there. And this is an instance where the anecdotal archaeological reports substantiate the idea of there being a shaft and chamber system below

the Queen's Chamber, which is certainly looks like there is something coming down from the Queen's Chamber here. So this is again when when I initially looked at this paper 4 or 5 years ago, this was the part that I found most compelling. The the shaft system below the Queen's Chamber. So now I think we can move on. Um this was another interesting one for Yeah, yeah. So we were talking about this here. Right. So this large So you don't Well, let me ask a question real quick.

of this thing here. this is the Z and this is very clear. Look how nice it is. Are real data. This is the Grand Gallery and probably we are detecting I don't know if we are detecting also the big void, but some somewhere here has to be. But maybe in this tomographic line we don't see it, but we see clear very very nicely the Grand Gallery that

is this and the Z and also the struct the square structure that is surrounding the Z, which is this. Look, look Jeff. >> Yeah, yeah. There's There's the slide of that in the next one. Yeah. And the Grand Gallery is here. Like that. We should see also the big void, but I have to retrieve the original tomography, the high resolution. Well, but here we are not seeing the big

>> So, you have it labeled there at tag 19. Yeah. So, in this one >> void, yes, yes. >> have it you have it labeled over here. >> Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry. Uh thank you, Jeff. Thank you for this. >> Um This help. >> Are my results about the I did it 6 years ago, no, so I don't remember exactly the how it how how we managed to >> So, my question about this one was this signature to Ah, it's the layover. You You don't think No, the layover is something related to to synthetic aperture radar. So, it's my

job. But Okay. Do you think So, we know that the pyramid is built on a mound of bedrock. No, that's not >> Could this possibly be a signature of the bedrock? >> No, this the signature of the layover. Okay. So, it is something that the radar returns is so strong that you retrieve you retrieve that signature also in the vibrations, okay?

It is something It is something that I can explain it to scientifically, yeah, if you want. No, no, I just I just I I I need something to write on. >> any explanation for what this was in the paper, so I wanted to ask you. >> An aberration due by layover is well known to me. Okay. Okay, but inside the aberration inside things, you can see very clear the the um the

Grand Gallery, the Z and other facilities, and also the big void, tag 19. Here. Yeah, that. Okay. That's the panoramic view of what we are dealing. Look there. We just need, I think, you, Filippo, to create known standard conventions for what is layover noise and what is, you know, empty space and what is, you know, physical material of XYZ density. I

think all of that needs to be laid out in some sort of taxonomy by you so that the open scientific community can kind of corroborate and check your work. >> Yes, but I thank Jeffrey that invite and you also Jesse and Jeffrey. You invite me here and we are and I am giving you additional explanation of our technique. Okay? Yeah, absolutely. >> we spoke about the incident angle, how to see deeper, how to see

only the pyramid. The layover, no, that's because of the layover. Okay, it's a false alarm, but we know it. It's there. Okay, we don't consider it because we are rather experts. Okay? Um it's it's a lot. Would an average radar expert be able to tell between layover and An average radar expert, yes, can distinguish the the layover and the forest shortening and the shadowing that are the three main issues of synthetic aperture radar, but

in the Doppler tomography domain, you have to connect these things and so read Got it. Read this problem. >> have to create new like conventions for kind of digesting this stuff and processing it. So, I just wanted to show these last diagrams, the final diagrams. So, the top view of the big void connected into this square structure around the King's Chamber. I suggest you to grab this image and

overlap this image on the muon scanning results. Yeah. Do it and then let me know. You will see also the big void like that. Interesting. So again, the the comparison of what we were looking at is that they're showing it's a north to south orientation. Here he's showing it as a more of an east to west orientation connected into these other structures around the King's Chamber. Then we have kind of the final

>> Very good. Look. You you see >> with measurements. with measurements. So they they took a very >> Now you you you are understand. So what they did here is they took the data and they measured all of the data Yeah. and they interpreted the specific measurements of the signatures that were received by the radar and they incorporated the measurements and all of the unique features into a complete model that incorporates all of the new

features. So we have the big void here. We have this chamber system and shaft system that goes around the King's Chamber here. We have the shaft system below the Queen's Chamber and a possible connection point as Filippo mentioned between the newly discovered feature on the northern face that connects into the Grand Gallery. So this is a complete reconstruction including measurements that were taken from the raw data and put into the model. Yes.

So now let's go to the new paper. >> New the new paper. >> paper. We established the foundation of the first paper. >> Yes. And I think have done probably an overly in-depth analysis. But I think it's important that we have the discussion. So there's one there's one main question I have about the new paper. At this point everybody's already I'm going to assume everyone's already seen the raw data images. So we're going to This is the scanning Yeah. >> of the Khafre pyramid, the central

>> Yeah. And this is the data that they are showing of potential new structures located above the existing chambers inside of the central pyramid. >> And I'll I'll show you a diagram here in a moment that compares the known chambers to what we have here. And this is their reconstruction of these vertical pillars. I know everybody's seen that at this point. Yeah. So, let's get to the proof of concepts >> Mhm. that were presented during the Malta conference. >> Yeah. So, these were scans of modern

that are intended as proof of concept >> Yeah. that this technology can read the micro-vibration surface signatures of internal structures. in terms of signal processing information, you penetrate. Yeah. So, my main question So, we here here we have the Carlin Tunnel. And this is the scan The scan, look. Okay. So, Filippo can you explain So, the qualitative

image here Mhm. same thing with the Gran Sasso. >> Yeah. This is the raw the processed data the tunnel here. These are all the scanning, yeah. >> And this is the the Gran Sasso, the physics laboratory. So, here here we have the configuration of the laboratory and here on the left >> Yeah. is the real >> real measurement data. Yeah. Real, eh, not simulated. Real. >> Right. Okay. >> Okay. Can you explain why this

>> Yes. looks completely different from this? Yes. What is the difference between what is going on here in the proof of concepts >> processing procedure. There we are dealing with something less called wide and a wide area. The Gran Sasso is big. Wide array. Yeah. And the focusing procedure of the photons are different. So, we use

something different that we can see both very wide. I can say you the details, but the details are that there the focusing process is done to see okay, I want to see wider. Okay. Focus wider. And there we are observing the Gran Sasso because it's big the Gran Sasso. It's big. >> So, what is the footprint again? So, we said that when you were scanning the >> Yeah. you have a 5K

by 5 km footprint >> area of the scan. >> potential tomographic lights. But, if you want to scan with the camera, the tomographic line you put it on the camera. Sure. Sure. When you scan the Gran Sasso >> Yeah. is it the same 5 km by 5 km? The same. So, it's the same footprint. Yes. If the focusing technique >> Yeah. for this scan >> Yeah. produced this quality of an image

>> Yes. why are we using this >> Yeah. to image inside of the pyramid? Can you explain the technical reason >> why? Cuz I thought the these were used to give me the pyramid. Well, both. >> Right. So, this is a scan of what's inside of the pyramid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got you. And this is a completely different type of signature than what is shown here. >> It's a good question because this is the >> very big difference between these two things. Yep. So, can you explain what the difference is between the process

and the end result? >> is that this that this is black and white. Look. And the other one is another kind of colors. You see red and blue. Red and So, it is a a different representation. So, again, we have here the the tunnel. >> blue white white blue, okay? And there you see is red and blue. different processing technique. It was

like an experiment. Why here I am seeing it in a different color? Because here I attempt to do a process a of different tomographic lines. Like that. Because I wanted to mitigate the noise in the in the vertical direction of the tomographic line. Like So, to average pixel by pixel the noise.

uh we see that the results the results are very good. Yes. But I spent at least 2 months of processing time, okay? Why don't you do the same >> That's why That's That's why it's not something that you can do it every day. Because I went to my friend and I Can I Can I use your computers? Okay, yes, but I can't use his computer forever, no? But it sounds like that's a superior technique. Yeah. So, why wouldn't

>> technique, yes. So, why wouldn't you use that on the most important find? >> Because I didn't have the computers. I am poor. Oh, no. >> Well, let's get you the computer. >> I have my instruments. I have But you have to understand how to to like random person in the audience, they're thinking like, "Filippo, why don't you use your friend's computer?" >> Yeah, because it's a better processor. >> example, this this proof of concept also wasn't presented in conjunction with the original paper, either. So, this is new from the Malta

conference, which was in 2024. Yes. This proof of concept is newer compared to their original scans in 2020. So, to me, this is far more convincing than anything that we've seen thus far with the original scans. equivalent of this, but for the Khafre pyramid substructure? My project in the future is to do it real time, Jess. I want to do it real

So, how much would that cost you? >> I don't know. A lot. Okay. But, I can't say you. I don't know. But, yeah. >> Millions. Let's say millions. How how much of the validation I do think it's important cuz it it you're saying that processing was slightly different here versus So, when you're citing this as validation, how many of the other examples, like the Osiris shaft or other did you use this kind of more rapid thin slice technique? You are

that you are watching black Yeah, I have all of them. Okay. Right. So, so again, it from my perspective, somebody who is super focused on discovering the true configuration of these structures, Yeah. why would we even publish the initial results if the capability existed to do something superior that could eliminate all of the background noise and confusion? So, in your first paper, you made the statement, "Transparent like a crystal." But, yes. Those images from

the first paper are not transparent like a crystal. >> I'm not I don't agree. This is. This is transparent like a crystal. So, why would we not use this as good? This is really good. This is way better, Filippo. Yes, I know. And that's why this is like super important. When I was watching this in Malta, I didn't want to get into too in-depth of a conver- When I was looking at this, I was like, "This is actually something that very much resonates with me as a being a very

powerful technology." What you showed in the first paper, the differentiation between background noise and layover and everything is The The word says the first paper Yeah. is it was the initial of our research. Sure. Going back in time 6 or 7 years, we we began 2 years before the the papers. So, in 2018 nearly 10 years now, huh? 8 years, yeah,

huh? So, the software was the initial software. Right, things that we did, it resonates like a crystal because it is transparent with noise. When was the last >> Okay, an old the crystal, let's say. >> Okay. So, I like an old the crystal. Yeah, well, well, it's not a crystal, it's limestone, right? Yeah, so, limestone is not a crystal, but this the the qualitative processed image of this is very much transparent like a crystal. I thought this was spectacular. And it when you're

presenting this data to an academic community that is going to be extremely rigorously trying to tear this apart, the background noise, the layover, the inability to detect certain structures because of the tomographic line, I would scrap all of that and go with this. No, this is very nice. I like it today. Well, let's get I mean, seriously, I mean, this is going to drive me insane. Let's See, this is why I wanted to show you

>> let's get you crowdfunded the money to so that you can get this level of quality on the actual copper bearing What's that? Also better. Oh, let's get you better. Let's get you better. But even this would be cuz I do think there's an issue if you're like, you know, all the validation looks like that, and then, you know, your reading on the Coffer Pyramid looks like the way you said. And and then it's like we have to we're basically taking your word for it and not my all my soft signaling is

like you're legit. But like that's me, I'm one person, and like, you know, I also would love for there to be like an energy grid under the pyramid. So, I think we need this level on you know, the actual Coffer Pyramid. And we would I it it uh it will be done. Uh-huh. It will be done. Okay, amazing. I'm seeing. Now, we if we work in the right uh we will establish a foundation and

uh in Malta there we will install the computers, and maybe we will do something better, also better than this. And and hopefully today I wanted to give you some feedback as a friend for ways that you can improve the presentation to the academic community because the questions that I have are the reasons that they have immediately rejected all of the data. Because there's a lot of questions. But if you lead with this

there can be less objections to the data. This I thought was spectacular. When I saw this in Malta, this really caught my attention, and it bothered me that you went from this, which is transparent like a crystal. I think this is fantastic. The the scan the scan of this structure here, you can even see it here from far away. You can see the triangular the transverse tunnel. You can see the mountain, and you can see the inside of the laboratory.

Filippo, I love this. This is the best proof of concept that you have access to a technology that can scan inside But then, you go from this to this. And I was like, "What is going on here? There's a There's such a huge difference between quality A and quality B that it takes away from the credibility of this, and it's not an efficient proof of

>> I know. I agree with your on what you are saying, but they are results. You We can't see We can't say that are better results. So, I would love to see Do it with the new thing. I would love to see that. The new thing is so easy to read for a layperson that I do think it would just help you your cause. And that I'll defend you here and say the fact that unless you are fabricating that first image, you're If

you're using SAR Doppler tomography, to Jeffrey's point, to reconstruct the Gran Sasso laboratory in that image on that we saw on the left, that is total proof of concept for the actual like technique. That's amazing. But that's And that's And that's my point is that And then And then you need to do that for the >> the thing that's going viral that everybody cares about. Yeah, so this was very good, and that's why I wanted to show this, and that's why And you see also the facilities, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we can see the

facility here, the triangular And this is where the interferometer is. >> No, the interferometer is fantastic. Yes. Okay, so So, another The interferometer is fantastic. Another caveat on testing modern structures as proof of concept. These are operating systems. There's electricity. There's moving components. There's people. You know, they didn't turn the lab off for him to scan this. So, there are inherent vibrations in a modern operating

facility that are producing more readily readable signatures. In an ancient structure, there are no moving parts. The Great Pyramid is chambers. That's it. There's no ventilators. There's no electricity. There's no moving parts. So, my only issue with the proof of concept using modern facilities is there are actual active vibrations, mechanical vibrations within the structure that are producing more intense signatures. Then

in an ancient structure, that's the Yeah, right, right. The The height of the mountain is way bigger than a pyramid. >> That's fair point, and I do think that should be addressed. I think it's at the margins compared to the larger point, which is that this technique looks fundamentally different. And I Yeah, I think Filippo, you should definitely do the structures underneath the coffer pyramid, but with this technique that you're showing here. And it's really important for these, you know, you're giving fodder to the skeptics, you know,

if you if you don't do this. >> So, so we always say when you present something new, put your best foot forward because it helps to eliminate but I can see your pride in this. >> Yes. And I felt the same way about it. I was like, okay, this is this is cool. When I saw this, I was like, he's really possibly on to something. But then we again moved on to the rest of the presentation where he's showing the new scans of the coffer pyramid. So,

here's another one that's another proof of concept of the Mosul Dam. And there are some turbines, two different types of turbines. There's a Kaplan turbine and another circular turbine like this. Yep. So, this was another proof of concept where they scanned the Mosul Dam. But that's using the like raw data that looks like the raw data. The secondary. From >> The inferior technology. Which which which I think is That's a good proof of concept then. Yes, but I I have to

critic criticize this okay, in the context of ancient megalithics. In this case, the turbines are in movement and they produce That was going to be my point is that these are mechanical moving parts. Mhm. >> So, of course there's going to be a >> of concept, yes, but it is a block a proof a proof of concept not applicable in megalithics because there in megalithics you need a lot of precision, a lot of sensitivity sensibility. And

wait, what is what is the word you're using? Megal Megalithic structures. >> Megalithic Because these are these are operating moving mechanical components. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The dam is working. For sure. Right? So, he's scanning a an piece of machinery. Yeah. You are, but but I Well, it's okay, yeah. To to play devil's advocate, if you go one slide back, like go one again. Like that looks like decent I I I can't read, you know, Sard D'Aubrey de >> this is So, this is Look at the configuration on the side to the right. Like that that looks like decent to me.

That looks like it's So, so let me show here what So, this is the configuration of the Kaplan turbine. Mhm. And then this is the configuration of the spiral turbine. Okay. And what we have here is the Kaplan turbine and this is the Francis spiral turbine. So, it's So, my only question of the Mosul Dam that shows that there are these two different types of turbines.

That was my question. It's like This is great, and you're showing two different types of turbines right next to each the effective design of the Sure. Because That's that's a valid point. >> very difficult to have it.

>> Sure. Sure. But, that was just my question is, do you have access to an engineering blueprint that can corroborate this configuration within the dam? That would just um enhance. Yeah, no, it's okay. Yeah, I was just curious if you did, because that would be even more evidence to show here is just like we did with the diagrams of the Great Pyramid, you could take the engineering blueprint very simple to obtain. Because they are mechanically move

moving Right. And also the thickness is very low. in the dam. in the dam. Yes, it's not I think 300 m, something like that. It's it's very So, the three of us immediately latched onto my entire point of that discussion is that there's vastly superior technology being used for the proof of concepts. The proof of concepts are modern, mechanically operating structures that are very different to imaging megalithic

structures where there are no moving mechanical points. So, Again, I I was just when I saw this >> I say it slightly differently, which is >> Yeah. I don't know that it's qualitative It looks qualitatively better. The problem is in Filippo's head, it might actually not be qualitatively better. It just looks to It's It's It's qualitatively more digestible, translatable, comprehensible any average person because you get like

a better image for for a layman to read. For all I know, if I'm inside his head, he's thinking, "I am just as confident looking at those like what look like thermal imaging blockages." >> this is the final proof of concept, the Gotthard Tunnel. Another tunnel. I don't know that. Again, this is the tunnel. This is the mountain range here. So, you can see the mountain range here. And the tunnel runs through here. And there's another one that goes underground here. >> What is Gotthard Tunnel? So, it's just a tunnel through a mountain in

Switzerland. Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah. I think 2 km under the Right. So interesting. Again, and using the nomenclature from the first paper, transparent like a crystal. This is what I would want to see. Okay. Yeah, it's beautiful. >> And again, it it was just frustrating for me when I was going through this. So, if you can if you can come to the table with something like that, I think that would silence a lot of the haters. So, debunking is an attempt to

So, when somebody is a debunker, they're trying to say SAR technology is fake because of X, Y, and Z reasons. So, that's debunking. And there's a lot of people that have attempted to debunk this, to say it's And then there's the other side where people absolutely love it and they really believe it. So, that's what we mean by debunking. And again, that's not what I'm here to do. Clearly, I'm interested and I'm fascinated by this, and I have a vested interest in knowing the truth. Yeah, it's

We should come with a new term, which is stress testing. It's not debunking, it's you know, if there is a there there then you try it under all conditions. Constructively stress testing in a positive way, which I think we're doing here. Yeah. So again, this is another image of the tunnel Cool. going through here. Wow. Again, the reason I showed these is Yeah, this is this is supposed to be the proof of concept for the new scanning, but it's it looks so much different that

there's a contradiction between the quality of this and then what is shown I know you I know you understand it. Of course, right? But but all of us want to see this, especially the people that don't believe in this technology. You have to go back and do it again. >> You do. You do and and and seriously uh come up with a number and like I will rally, Jeffrey will rally, everybody with a platform will rally to just crowd fund you the money. Let's try we'll get

you we'll get you the money somehow. I mean, it's so important. It's yeah. Cuz it's on you though to come up with a number. Come up with a figure and we'll get you know, it's it's it's really >> So this is the rest of the presentation is just going into their presentation during Malta when they're showing the new scans from inside the coffer pyramid. You know, we already talked about the azimuth compression. This is the scan of the Osiris shaft. Okay? So this was another proof of concept scanning a known structure to

show that their technology is able to pick up the configuration that we absolutely know is there. But here we're back to the kind of lower res uh scans. >> Yeah. Yeah. So that that that is you know, good a good sign of validation. Yeah. So there's been there's been some issues proposed with this. So this is from a channel called Night Scarb who did measurements that show that the signatures are off and that the measurements don't exactly match the known configuration.

Right, so the only sort of caveat to this scan is this structure over here. Okay. So I actually went out to the Giza Plateau after the Malta conference as soon as we got back. We live in Egypt, so I can go to the Giza Plateau anytime. Yeah, that's why I was asking you about the footprint. The square meter imaging footprint, the area of the footprint. That's not the footprint is very good. It's it's huge, right? 5 5 km by 5 km is a huge footprint. And in

the vicinity of the Osiris shaft. So it's located along the causeway, right? This connector pathway that leads from the Khafre Eastern Temple down to the Valley Temple and sphinx. And the Osiris shaft is located below the causeway. So directly on top of the causeway, maybe 10 to 15 ft away from the Osiris shaft opening is another rectangular opening in the causeway that is indicative of another bedrock shaft.

There's these big vertical bedrock all along the causeway adjacent to the central pyramid. They're just huge shafts that go down into the bedrock. There is an opening here at the top of the causeway that goes down into something. But like all of these bedrock shafts, they're completely filled in. It's filled It's filled in with sand and debris. Debris, yeah. And then now we show the some shafts of of those Yeah, later later in the the presentation.

There's also another structure to the south of the causeway that appears to go underground. That's a And while I was asking about the footprint of the area >> Is he measuring any of these? Who? Filippo in these scans. Oh, in terms of the the measurements? >> Oh, I don't know. Okay, cuz that would be interesting if like you knew of something specific around the Osiris shaft that he picked up. Well, that's what I'm saying is we went out there and we found two different structures Yeah. in the vicinity of the Osiris shaft that

could be creating this signature here. >> Okay, interesting. Interesting. So we actually went out, my wife and I. Shout out to my wife, Alexa from Archaeo Alchemy that's been sitting over there patiently watching watching this whole thing go down. And this is why we need to go out together, you, me and Ormando need to go to Giza Plateau and look at this stuff so that I'm I'm so I know the Giza Plateau like the back of my hand. And anytime we want to look at a structure I know where there is anomalies and things

like that all over the Giza Plateau that can help us get closer to the truth of what we're looking at here. So, I did find some structures that are in the vicinity of the footprint of the scanned area that could be producing this signature here on the left. So, here on the right we have level one, level two, and level three. Mhm. But, then there's also these other horizontal signatures that go all the way down. This one, this one, you know, all of these different horizontal signatures.

Filippo, you don't have a conclusive explanation for what's producing this section here. I want to ask you a question. Yes. You know very well the structure of the Osiris shaft. The last floor where you have the swimming pool. >> Here, yes. Yes. There There are some studies, some research that attempt to go and see what there is below the the water level. Have they excavated below the water level?

Or Or I don't know. They put the camera to see what or No. No, as far as I know, the only investigation into anomalies inside the Osiris shaft is some connecting tunnels. Okay. There are some bedrock tunnels that connect into the Osiris shaft. During the original excavations, they did pump all of the water out. >> they is impossible. No, they did. >> Ah, they did. >> Yeah, they did a pump and they pumped

maybe not all of it, but they pumped the water out of the Osiris shaft. Yes. And so, the water level was going down? Correct. And then, but if they don't pump any don't pump anymore, it comes right back up. In In how how much time? Oh, I don't know, but so this was done by Zahi Hawass and team. They pumped all the water out so that they could lift the lid off of the container on the third level. Okay. So, there's a container on the third level that's

surrounded by four pillars. It's like a a limestone island in the middle of this with this big container. And they were going down in this thing, supposed to be the burial shaft of Osiris, and they're going to lift the lid off of this container and find Pharaonic burial or Osiris's body in here. Of course, absolutely nothing was discovered when they lifted the lid of this thing. >> Okay. So, they did pump the water out to

do this excavation. >> And then after After the excavation is done, the water level came right back up cuz as I was saying, there's a there's an independent aquifer directly below the structure here. Yes. And the third level of the Osiris shaft taps into the water level in this independent aquifer. So, everything that we're showing here is underwater. So, nobody knows how deep is the water.

Oh my god. Yeah. Okay. There's never been a a hydrological investigation of the depth of the water below the Osiris shaft. Can I ask a question? How big the the substructures under the Khafre pyramid that you feel like you're uh these columns, hollow tubular structures, what is the circumference? Yes, I think I don't remember if we have indicated this, but

approximately 20 m. Each one? The the the diameter. But each the diameter of each Sorry, not yes, so not circumference. What is the diameter? The diameter, approximately 20 m. Of each >> Yes, and they are and they have a distance of about 5 m. >> So each tube is 60 ft. Uh 20 m. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I mean that to me that makes me higher conviction. I have to say cuz I I you know, if you're not

measuring the Queen's Chamber cuz of some granite, you know, and it's too small or whatever, you know, I guess the granite actually helps as far as So if you're not measuring the Queen's Chamber cuz it's too small, you know, and then you have this possible, you know, error margin here displayed in the Osiris shaft that's 4 m. Yeah. I do think if you have a 20 m single column and then that's repeating four four plus four, you know, eight that somehow feels like the only thing if I were in his position I could say

pretty confidently, you know, and again we have to get into like can you penetrate below So let's let's let's get to that cuz I I have a pressing question that I'd like for you to answer. Yeah, so every everyone's seen So this is some of the raw data Yep. of their scan of the third pyramid, the Menkaure showing these vertical signatures below the Menkaure pyramid. Same thing here. These are more of the vertical signatures of these structures below the

Same thing here, pyramid of Menkaure. There's this big signature here of a possible vertical something below the structure. Here is the model that they presented at the end of the Malta conference showing the entire Giza plateau and these underground vertical features connected into these cube The whole model here. So this gets into the question of the water level. Some of the the tubular structures are under the Sphinx as well?

yes, we have a measure at I don't know if we have the this light here. Yes, but the answer is yes. here on the left in the data Yeah. you said that when the image tapers off here >> a cut off of of energy. We discussed it in the past about this. >> Yeah, so I'm I'm just explaining to the >> Yeah. So, on the data here in these vertical columns where the data starts to taper off Yeah. is an indication of the water level. Okay. Okay? And that's

reflected in the model >> could be the indication of the of the level, but is not the water level is not present abruptly. Do this experiment. Take a dry sponge and dig a hole on the dry sponge. So, you have the dry sponge and the hole on the dry sponge. >> Mhm. Okay? You put the the dry sponge here

or into a container and you put water. You will see that the water into the sponge. And for gravity, the water will stabilize somewhere. But the layer that uh represents the dry part of the sponge and the more wet part of the sponge is not abrupt.

But you have the >> The transition. Right, yeah, okay. Yeah, so the permeation of the water is not linear. Yeah, it's not It depends on the absorption of the material. >> abruptly abrupt >> Right, right, okay. Okay? Yes. So, I don't know. I That that is a strange effect that as we discussed it I can't give you an exact answer. Okay. >> that phenomena Okay. Because I don't know. Okay. And that was my question. Is

the water level in the model Yeah. and in the data is approximately a kilometer But this is not true. Because So that's why the water level is uh The it is uh That's the next point. >> Yeah. Is that the actual water level Yeah. below the water table of the Giza plateau Yeah. is shown to be approximately 50 m. 50 m >> below the plateau. Correct. Is it is it 15 or 50? So it's

15 m above sea level, 50 m below the plateau. Got it. Right. So this is courtesy of Ancient Architects, another individual in the community who basically debunked debunked the study. He's a debunker. Yes. So again, I was just curious what was your explanation for the difference of the water level shown here. The water level I I tell you It's much higher. You can see it from the tomography Yes. This line

>> approximately approximately Okay. So it's not where the image is. It's 15 m. You can see something related to the water level. So the It's not that but it's that one. So the tapering of the image here is not because of the water level. Maybe effectively if if you have an effective physical cut off of something and then they continue with another kind of

So this is I think this is an If you ask me why is it like that, you have to go and see effectively. Sure. >> The measurements are those. Right. So so what you're saying is that this is supposed to be a solid >> Yes. going more than a kilometer down and connecting into these large cubes. >> However, the signature of this solid >> Yes. does not >> Changes changes. >> changes significantly.

>> The explanation you had given in Malta was because that the water level was but we both agree that this is not the water level that's causing the deep >> Maybe is is there is there. >> Yeah, this blue line. >> Yeah, yeah, that one. So if this is a solid object what is creating the lack of signature I don't know. Is the is does the lack of signature start a kilometer down or how many how many meters down is that kind

of cut off where it starts to go from >> Approximately 600. Okay. So you I guess what what then if I was you Maybe there is something that I was but I can disclosure it now. There is something. I can't disclosure it now. Interesting. Okay. Okay. But um can Is it is there a reason you're saying 600 m but like why did you say it goes a kilometer deep? >> Yes. Look how nice it is. Yeah. >> You can see that cut off.

I do see that it it maintains >> different sensors. You see the same cut Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's what I'm wondering. Why why do why are we saying a kilometer deep instead of 600 m deep? I don't Well, I would that was just my estimate. So so this >> No, but it was his estimate. Maybe I am I am saying something wrong. Yeah. The numbers you can read it you can read it. So again here >> Hey, hey, hey. So they're getting a cut off. So this is >> 550 m. Yeah, so this is 600 m here.

550 m. >> where the image itself and whatever this is, the signature of this, starts to cut off okay, here. But that See, there it looks like it cuts off less and does extend down to the >> processing procedure that we are doing. It depends. confidently, but and then you don't know what to attribute No. To Jeffrey's point, that sort of awkward gradient, you don't know. >> Because now we are we agree together that the water level is high. Sure.

and you have a cut off of of the signal on the Yeah, and all of all of these vertical signatures show a tapering of the signature. So, that's that's an anomaly of these vertical signatures that we don't have a good explanation for. If this is a solid object, why doesn't the signature register all the way down? It's not We've agreed it's not a result of the water table. There's there's something else happening with the signature where it's possibly no longer able to detect

that deep. What do you Do you have an alternative hypothesis or So, again, at at this stage I'm just asking questions. Yes, maybe we are >> we are focusing the attention on something that it is normal to have that kind of >> Do you see an attenuation of signal? >> no. Only here. Okay, only here. So, there is something idiosyncratic unique here going on. >> Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, so we can see it here in this this polarized tomographic image. This is again the vertical signatures. I will say the

polarized tomographic image, even the raw tomographic image >> Nice, yeah. It's better. >> Super nice. Those [clears throat] look very tubular and like, you know, >> Same thing here. It has that same The deeper The deeper it goes Even when you get that awkward kind of gradient cut off, like it still looks like it's maintaining some sort of structure. Look, the water level is here. This. Up at the top. >> Yeah, yeah, I got it. Okay. So, you Felipe, would you admit now that you were you didn't know about exactly where

them is around them. >> scientific we don't have man-made. But if it's an artificial structure, how would you build something that penetrates that deeply into the water table? And you ask to me? Okay, you are asking me this. Yeah, do you have you speculated about that? I mean, [laughter] you have to have thought of it or It is something that I we I discuss about this issue with Corrado. Okay. we agree that it is something that it is man-made. Okay? So, somebody built

those things there. Mhm. It can be that once the pyramids were built, so from the top maybe they dig at hole, they dig at on the bottom, it it they are not simply holes. Mhm. They are built. How can how can I say? >> But if if they're 20 m in diameter and they're going a kilometer deep, yes,

then I'm going with aliens. >> Like how do we how do we explain that? That's pretty That feels harder to explain than the construction of the pyramids themselves, which are really hard to explain. Yeah, but so that's the problem though is that's where this disintegrates from an conversation regarding the actual data to the leap of speculation into alien constructions, Yeah. which is why the academic community has outright rejected this whole thing. Because there's no physical way that

these could possibly have been built. There's There's no way. Yeah, but you would you would say the same thing about the pyramid. We don't understand Well, I agree with you there. >> Yeah. We We still don't understand the mechanisms of operation. >> Yeah. But it's also a completely different conversation building something above ground when we're talking about how could you even excavate into the bedrock to be able to build something? It's the the the logistics of the engineering. So, we were talking kind of off camera

how the civilization that built the pyramids and associated structures were absolutely able to build components that tap into the existing water level. The Osireion is excavated from the bedrock and constructed to tap directly into the water table below the structure. The configuration of the temple structure is precisely designed so that it hits that water table, again an independent aquifer that's not connected

to the Nile River, because the water level inside the Osireion is the same as it was in the original design. The island and the reservoir surrounding the island. Same thing with the Osiris shaft. They were capable of building structures that go down to the water and tap into the water level. Now we're talking about going a kilometer below the water level to excavate. The whole thing is filled with water.

If they are real, I I have a difficult time accepting that there is such a thing that is a man-made structure that goes a kilometer deep. the Giza Plateau is the bottom of an ocean from millions of years ago, the Tethys Sea. Are you familiar with the formation of the Giza Plateau? Yes. Right. It used to be the bottom of an ocean millions of years And there is evidence of hydrothermal

mineral deposits on the Giza Plateau. So, hydrothermal vents are vertical structures that can go kilometers deep into the bedrock. Whoa. So, we can talk about this here in just a second. I just I want to walk through one more piece of data. So, we've talked about Can I ask you one more question? Cuz it's very related to the logistics of being able to build something that goes penetrates a kilometer deep. Um and this is a this is a flint double point. Is it too hot down there? Ah, yes.

>> Remember? Yes, we have to speak about this, eh? it is very simple to give you an answer. The first thing is it is uh you can build Yes, to build these structures, people has to go down down. Yes, that's But there are a lot of methods to cool

down high temperature. The first one is this. The enormous quantity quantitative of shafts that are present on the surface of the Giza Plateau that are filled with debris. And one of those I show I show them in the presentation. I don't know you >> that in here, too. Yeah, that There are a lot of shafts, and the uh are um

cool can have the function of giving air, giving light, and so cooling the underground structures that are below. So, the answer is okay, we want to build something like that. Yes, let's begin building this thing this uh mega mega mega structure here by digging and building the the cooling

shafts. Okay, we start from the shafts. Then, once we are downstairs there, we intercept maybe natural horizontal cavities, okay? And so, we build and we start to build. Uh in some way, they they they they did it. In some way, somebody did these things. So, the vertical shafts that you principally uh between the

um the the Sphinx and the Khafre pyramid, there are three four or five shafts that are blocked by debris. And those facilities we we are thinking to submit a proposal to the Egyptian government. Because those shafts can be the entrance of the underground facility without doing any kind of drill. We

don't have to drill. Yeah. We We only have to clean. Amazing. We only have to clean enough. Well, I hope you get that approval. I guess another question I would have is are all of the tubular structures a kilometer deep? The ones under the Sphinx as well, they all are hundreds of meters deep. I have the the the slide. Hey, yes, because at two uh transport fresh air

and the light into the the the structures that are below. Mhm. Yes. And I tell you uh uh those talk 47 1. Yes, those. So, this is this is the causeway here. Yes. Right? So, we're talking about the Osiris Shaft being located on the causeway. And these bedrock vertical shafts are adjacent to the causeway on both sides. So, there's some over here on this side and some on the southern

side. They go down vertically into the bedrock to an unknown depth. They've never been fully excavated. They were filled with debris and sand, now also trash accumulation for you know plastic >> decades and all all sorts of stuff. Just completely filled in with junk. Yeah. All the tires that are over And there there is there is rubbish So, there's there's evidence even just looking down into these vertical pits, there's evidence of transverse

horizontal shafts. So, I would have I >> Yeah, yeah. They they they showed that. So, these shafts go down vertically into the bedrock and then there's horizontal transverse connecting shafts that link these things. So, in in my opinion, that's part of the industrial infrastructure of the Giza Plateau. And I'll I have a slide on that here in just a sec. So, the other pressing question, Filippo, I know you know this was coming. And this is kind of the last question I have for you. Yeah. So, this is the data of the scan

of the Khafre Pyramid. And the big objection is the fact that the known chambers are not shown on the So, this is above the Belzoni chamber And the known chambers should be somewhere down here. Yes. So, this is this is the configuration of the Khafre pyramid, the known internal chambers. And all of these areas that are marked with hash marks here are bedrock excavated chambers. So, they're

So, this is the bedrock of the Giza Plateau from which these chambers are This is no deeper than 15 m into the bedrock. And the radar signal is absorbed in that limestone bedrock. According to the quote from your team. Again, I don't think I think for all the Armando wrote this. I don't know if you wrote this, but this was published on the Facebook

Yes, the narrow corridors because in that tomographic line that we are using, they are not present. Mhm. Okay. So, now we are dealing this problem uh being aware that the in sometimes targets are not detect. think that the exactly what that message was we we we

wrote that message because the most part of the vibrational energy in that case were um attenuated a lot the signal. So, we would not be able to retrieve the Belzoni chamber and also other um uh because no energy. We failed the detection of those known

Okay. Okay. But then the next logical question is if you're if you're saying that the signal is getting absorbed and attenuated because of limestone that's just 15 m deep, then why Well, you are detecting those in there. Yeah, through the same limestone. Yes, it is a question of measurements. In those measurements we we were not able to retrieve those those structure. Okay. But considering the particular

configuration of those huge tubes descending approximately for more than 1 km having a diameter of approximately 20 m, we can we can we can see that uh I think they are very big. So, you are comparing a very small object with huge

structures. So, I I don't think that this is a point of comparison, good comparison uh point because you you are comparing huge structures with something very So, in this case, the very small things are not detected. And that's that's a matter of fact, you ask me why uh we gave that explanation. Okay? Because the bigger the rock, we don't have uh the the the vibration the

we don't have the the the vibration, but we have the vibrations to detect the huge structure. And we have detected the things uh very clear. Uh that's the answer. It is obvious that this work we we have to continue to do this work. So, we have to continue to scan the uh Khafre pyramid. and so, I am sure that we will find uh

results that uh show us also the basal niche. Mhm. You got to bring. Yeah. It's a Gran Sasso improved methodology. >> Yes, it it to the car. Do it again. >> it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This Filippo, this is critical because again, to say that the energy and the micro vibrations are absorbed in bedrock 15 m deep. The deeper you go, the more bedrock there is. And the more bedrock there is

to prevent these vibrations from being detected. So, this is it's an it's a big issue. And this is the biggest objection that's been proposed in the community Okay. is this bedrock excavated chamber. There is also another thing that I have to explain you. Why there are things that are very visible and things that are difficult to It is a question of measurements.

Sometimes things are invisible. Sometimes things are very visible, are very bright. Um we found that if things are on the surface of the earth, anchored, so they start from the surface like the pyramid, like that, like we see it very very clear because the evanescent waves are very

um energetically on the boundary. So, on the surface of the earth. Mhm. In that case, the shafts are directly connected to the surface of the earth. So, why they vibrate the the surface vibrates, they we can detect vibrations. In that case, the Belzoni is something that is not directly connected. I would say, is there, yes. So, we need to scan it more more and more.

Have you tried doing these scans on any other limestone bedrock specifically? >> have the shafts. The Osiris shaft? Yeah, the shafts, but also the vertical >> How how deep How deep are those? So, we don't know how deep they go. He shows that they're going down hundreds of according to the scans, yeah. >> And those are anchored on the surface of that, so we can see it. Yeah, so that the opening of the shaft is actually on the surface. >> surface. So you can look down directly

into the shaft and see that it goes down into the bedrock. So that reminded me of a good point. So another thing we need control samples. So for example, you provided really good proof of concept in the scanning of the tunnels and the physics laboratory. Those are fantastic. Another thing that we don't have in the studies are control samples. No, I have >> So for example I have mines. No, no, no.

So So scan a structure just like a hill where there is nothing there. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. I'll try >> to show us a control sample comparison. >> it. Yes, yes. Yeah, so that people can see. So this hill we're going to scan the hill Yeah. and show what is inside of a hill where we know there's nothing inside and we know there's no big vertical. So this has been another big criticism is that there's no control sample comparison.

>> will do it. Yes, we can do it. >> So this is also important in a scientific study. You always want to have a control sample so that you can compare the control sample to the test sample. Can I just ask what cuz this touches on what you're asking? In the context these commercial context where you're under NDA, you don't need to talk about any of the specifics, but I would just ask you how many instances are there of these because it's not a perfect control like, you know, Jeff is sort of describing here,

but it is somewhat of a control where you're looking for like minerals and other things and we can kind of pattern match like regular land versus these megalithic archaeological sites. Yeah. So do Do know like how how many times have you done this roughly? It was >> If you had to estimate, just the method. Scanning, like on anything. Like was it Is it between 100 and 1,000, between 1,000 and 10,000? How how many sites? Yeah, how many how many different sites? Yeah, that's a better question. >> not a lot of about 10. About 10. Okay,

got it. They are sufficient to to show things uh where are present. Let's see. Let's see mines. Mhm. So, tunnels inside tunnels. And we're both assuming >> Things that are more controlled where nothing is present. And we're So, you have difference. Yeah. And we're assuming you've never seen anything like this, anything like these column like 20 m, you know, diameter. are present because

you see signals that are devastating. You You see those columns. What are those? Are there other times where they've missed structures that are more suspended and not tied to the foundational bedrock of the earth? >> Okay. Okay. Are there other examples of that where they missed? >> I have it. I have I have those kind of uh yes. It's It's exciting. The experience tells me that's if they if these things are anchored on the surface of the earth, it's better. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. That makes sense.

>> better. I mean, this is exciting cuz it's it's a I uh you know, the way I net out is like you have you got a lot of work to do, you know? But, I don't think I don't think it it anything's conclusive in either direction. I think you got to just keep going, you know? >> It's something new. It's something new. >> that's kind of my my conclusion. Yeah. Yeah. So, all the question and thank you for your >> yeah. Yeah. I care about this, Filippo. This is important. >> to give you the best answer. Yeah. So, in the position that I am now, I maybe I

may I am a bit tired because of the jet I understand. And maybe uh this last issue, this is an issue that of the Belzoni. I am thinking always of the >> Yes. We will solve it. We will solve it. So, it has to be investigated. Yeah. We solve also this issue. So, the issue is why we are not watching the Belzoni. At the moment, what you read is the best

answer that we can give you. Right. Right. Yeah. But we we I will ensure you I ensure you more scans will be done on the Khafre in order to find something to detect Belzoni. Okay? So, I know you have a big day tomorrow and I'll wrap this up quickly just so we can get through this and I know, you know, we both traveled yesterday and I'll just kind of cover this briefly. So, we're talking about Luis Alvarez.

I see that. >> Just just one thing about this the vertical The vertical shafts are very important. I don't know why nobody went there to excavate to excavate to clean, I'm The bedrock shafts, yeah. Why? There's there's So, there's also no good archaeological explanation for what those shafts are for. From from the pharaonic burial perspective, archaeology and Egyptology does not have

a good explanation for those vertical bedrock shafts adjacent to the causeway. Some of some of them are burials where they found smaller ones and they found bodies down inside of these because there have been a plethora of burials discovered on the Giza Plateau, not in the pyramids, but in structures adjacent to the pyramid structures. So, they have found intrusive burials in some of these

shafts, but there's not a good consensus for why these things are there. They can they have made they have made it after the the original construction. Sure, that's another question is which came >> Yeah. And are those bedrock shafts an original part or are they part of the dynastic era construction? So, that's always a a problem when looking at the layers of building and construction in >> from the internal those shafts and you

I'm I think that you believe me that are made with a squared constructions one on each other. Top top like that that goes down. Going down into the bedrock, yes. And I tell you that for me the shafts are waterproof. It means that the water that is the water level if you if you if you can see the water level that is

outside the shafts, the water is not able to go inside the shafts. >> Yeah. So, if we clean the shafts, we always find air not water. Also, we go below a lot. Okay? I don't know if you are if you agree with my idea. Yes, because that also fits with my hypothesis on the function of those >> Yes. So, that's that would get us into

another hour-long discussion on So, you and I should you and I should sit down and talk about the function of everything sometime. And so, the project proposal that we are submitted we are thinking to submit these weeks. We are involving University of Ferrara, we are involving um other academic I am out of this project because it's

better that I will remain out. And we our intention is to use robots, not humans, because it's dangerous to go to go there, to use robots and clean the shafts. I don't know. They should do that anyway because of all the trash. Yes. Let's say we can go below 1 to 5 m a day, okay. Yeah. We just begin to work and every day we go. Yeah, absolutely. So that So this next thing I

mentioned that there was a muon scanning of the central pyramid. Luis Alvarez, I knew I recognized the name, so he was a part of this. They scanned the Belzoni chamber and the area above the Belzoni chamber. They didn't find anything. Mhm. So they scanned approximately 19% of the total volume in an area here that was a cone half angle of 35° from the vertical. So it's this cone that they scanned above the Belzoni chamber. >> Okay. And they didn't find anything.

These are also supposedly located directly above the Belzoni chamber. And we've already kind of had a back and forth discussion about which is the most viable detection method, muon scanning or SAR scanning. Muon scanning says there's nothing. SAR is now detecting something. So again, we don't have to get into a labored discussion about, you know, who's right and who's wrong. >> No, it's better that they work together. Maybe in this case muon muon the old version of muon because that's a paper

>> From the '70s, yeah. The '70s. Um maybe in that and I am not criticizing muons because they are Um maybe in that time they are detecting nothing on on a 35% of aperture. Correct. Do you have an explanation though for why they didn't detect anything above the Bell Zone chamber and you did detect something? >> I tell you why. Because the S now we know that the muon scanning

are detecting things that is the sum of everything you are watching on the top. It's the sum like that. And so uh, it is it is it is difficult for me to see things, facilities, when you are watching the sum of everything. You saw uh, 50 years later that paper. So now the modern the modern muon detectors.

They are it is highly probability that they are saying that there is a big void on the Grand Gallery which is parallel, but in my best humble opinion are watching the top and the bottom and the roof the roof and the and the and the floor of the big gallery of the Grand Gallery. Yeah. Like that. Like that. Look, they're watching this and that. It means that the technique fails

And it it failed maybe it failed also 50 years ago at in the in the period of when the paper was was written using old Who knows? There is something that happened and they are detecting nothing. And I don't know that any recent muon scanning has been done inside the Central Pyramid. >> They They They They >> go back and do it again. Yeah. They They They have they have to do it again. Why?

Why do they they they they do they Why they didn't install detectors inside the Bellzoni? Right. Right. No? Yeah. Eh? It's a good question. So so just kind of a final note, that was that was the end of my questions for the SAR project. And Filippo, I think you did a really really good job today Thank you. in answering to the best of your ability. >> that I could Absolutely. Yeah. Sure. Agreed. >> So the the final note here is just a mention of these hydrothermal veins Mhm.

and iron ore deposits. So here I'm standing in the middle >> photo. Look how nice it is. Oh, thank you. There you can you can find the floor of the of the Giza plateau where the pyramids are on. Yes. >> Those those So this is bedrock here. Yeah. This is limestone It is man-made. >> This this part here Mhm. is man-made. >> It's man-made. >> This part here. >> Yeah. This is bedrock. Mhm. Limestone bedrock that's permeated with iron ore deposits, metal ore minerals, which is

directly applicable to the utilization of your technology for finding metal ore mineral deposits. So this is this is where these two things have a synergy that I think we need to look at further. So here I'm down inside of one of these {quote} {unquote} boat pits. Mhm. And this is an image This is a tube. A tube. A metal tube. >> Metal tube, correct. It's an It's an iron I I saw it. It's a metal tube. >> It's an iron ore vein. Yeah, so these are uh you've never seen this before.

>> That's wild. >> So this is about a foot and a half long Uh-huh. and a foot deep and it's a tube of iron ore. Cool. And these veins run all through the Giza plateau. Whoa. >> They are hydrothermal metal ore mineral deposits that are embedded in the limestone bedrock of the Giza plateau. Wow. So, these are the results of hydrothermal vent systems. Mhm. Seafloor hydrothermal vents that push these metal

minerals up from the earth and then they deposit them on the surface and inside the layers of the bedrock. That's how these things form. So, here in red, I have depicted these vertical bedrock shafts adjacent to the causeway and the interconnecting transverse shafts. So, you can actually look down in this, you know, about 20 m down and you can see the transverse connecting shafts that aren't that deep. Mhm. Here we have what Filippo's team is

showing, which could be the remnants of some of these hydrothermal mineral vents, these hydrothermal vents coming out from the bedrock with the magma chamber. So, again, there's magma down here, which could be these cubic type formations, Mhm. huge geological formations that are known to go down kilometers into the bedrock. Very interesting. What do you think about that theory? It is a theory. I accept it absolutely

>> you know? Yeah. Something like that. And I think that understanding the impetus for choosing Giza Mhm. Yeah. is critical in understanding the overall function of the Giza Plateau because we have hydrothermal vents. We have metal or mineral deposits. And in this paper they've also shown that there is a karst cave and tunnel system Mhm. that is the source of hydrogen sulfide gas coming up

from the Giza Plateau. So, there's caves and tunnels Mhm. all throughout the Giza Plateau. natural that you can also see produce these vertical features located directly below the Giza Plateau. And my hypothesis for the function of the Great Pyramid is that the hydrogen sulfide gas coming from this subterranean karst cave and tunnel system is the initial reactant in the chemical manufacturing sequence within the Great Pyramid. Mhm. So, they picked

the Giza Plateau specifically because of all of these features in the bedrock the metal, the hydrothermal vents, all of it works in conjunction with the system above ground. >> Yeah. So, there is absolutely something below the Giza Plateau located directly below the pyramids. >> What would you do with the hydrogen sulfide? Convert it into sulfuric acid. And what would you do with the sulfuric >> Sulfuric acid can be used for fertilizer applications, but also specifically for mining and metallurgy. Got it.

>> Cuz we have a huge supply of metal ore directly on the Giza Plateau. So, so agriculture and mining and metallurgy. >> mining, no? So, the samples of the iron ore deposits on the Giza Plateau also contain gold, silver, electrum, precious metals, rare earth elements, everything that you could think of. We'll We'll talk about it. Love it. >> all the sample analysis data. >> This is the perfect cliffhanger to end on. And also, there is also electricity

inside the disk. So, in in the veins, Also crystal found as his uh fulgurites, fossilized lightning. In these iron ore veins, we have samples that contain fulgurites, which is evidence of high-voltage electric current distribution through these iron We'll get into it tomorrow. Wow. Okay. Well, what a cliffhanger. We have to do another Yeah, we we do. Seriously. No, but this has been amazing. Jeffrey,

really appreciate your questions. You asked just really detailed first principles questions, but that were very respectful, and I think this was just this beautiful exploration. And Filippo, you know, I can't say enough about how just open you are to fielding these sorts of questions. A lot of people get very precious about their theories, and they don't let them be questioned. And you are >> Thank you for these uh these questions that You're clearly not that. You're clearly open to updating your own hypotheses, beliefs, and I think we have

a lot of action items here. I think maybe that the the biggest one is getting those thinly sliced, you know, what you did with the Gran Sasso, but for, you know, the structures underneath the copper pyramid. But this was amazing, and I appreciate you both. Thank you. All right.