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stuff, but it They said that, you know, the Philadelphia experiment, which was this goal to zap a ship from Norfolk, uh, you know, Virginia to a port in >> I don't think that's what it was. It was to make a ship invisible from radar. >> I think that's right. >> And, yeah, I think things got away from it, and people did get killed cuz they're using gigantic generators and microwave, and I think they burned people, and the reason it's classified was because, like always, the military

doesn't want to get sued, and they just go, "Well, it's secret. I'm sorry we burnt your husband to death, but that's that's it." >> Yeah, I don't think they had The movie made it into a teleport thing, but that was just our first attempt at making something radar invisible. >> I think it definitely was in its intention, cuz, you know, Townsend Brown actually ran that experiment. Did Did you know that? The Philadelphia Yeah, and he had a nervous breakdown right afterwards, and then actually popped up in in California, where he

of radar expert. Um, but it also discusses Townsend Brown. And uh Townsend Brown being involved in in this experiment, having this nervous breakdown. And there's an FBI file on Brown that says he's the the lead radar uh you know, guy in the Navy. >> get connected to the military? >> Oh, he was always a Navy guy. He he started as a Navy guy. >> Yeah, I really don't know his history. I just know some of the things he did. >> But well, okay. So and a Navy guy. >> Yeah, okay.

Navy always seems to pop up everywhere, >> It does as with you. Which we'll get into. >> It's just unusual, yeah. >> It is unusual. I was telling you last night too that um Harold Malmgren, this guy who ended up dying, who I I interviewed and it kind of turned into this like kind of confession at the end of his life. He was saying that the Office of Naval Intelligence knew more about UFOs than just about any other department. And then you have your Department of Naval Intelligence and stuff. Very

Did you ever hear anything, either of you guys, bump into federally funded research and development centers in the kind of UFO org chart? So these are like, you know, RAND Corporation, MITRE, Battelle, any of these sorts of >> The famous FFRDCs. >> The What do you mean bump into them? >> Just bump into, you know, this guy is a doctor from Battelle or like, you know, this guy is a doctor somebody from MITRE >> I shouldn't say no. I probably have, but I don't remember. >> Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. And it's all probably I don't know. Whatever this org

chart is is super convoluted and weird and funky. >> I I guarantee it's a big chart. >> Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What what determines for you what you will and won't say because I feel like there are certain things that deal with American national security secrets that you don't want to gratuitously out and I see that with you, you know. there's plenty of stuff that I know and if they're I'm sure they're pissed especially once again I'm, you know, to

some degree I relit the fire to get my get them a little more pissed at me. >> You know, now there's an actual movie >> and instead of just a description of things they you know, here's what everything looks like exactly where it is so on and so forth. But um you know, I'm sure that someone's still interested in prosecuting me in some >> Do you think >> They're not going to do it through that way, but I bet if I slip up somewhere else they will. >> They'll get you. >> So I'm just concerned about that.

it's like a whole new generation of stuff. Different types of craft and different performance and different locations. So I don't know. Those guys seem to know much more about it than I do. >> It's a lot of corroboration I think for your for your experience. Something you uh told me off camera and you should feel free to just not say anything about this. Although I think it might be okay because this is fully uh this is fully public as you know, that this has been declassified. The B-2 stealth bomber

>> you had an interesting thing to say about how it works. >> Oh, the uh >> Mhm. the >> Well, wait. What are we talking about? >> We're talking about >> voltage or the uranium? >> The uranium. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Both are interesting to me. The fact that So so you Yeah, what you said cuz I was saying I think it's derivative of There's basically like this capacitor high voltage electric field thing going on to kind of make the whole thing more aerodynamic and

reduce the or increase the lift to drag ratio. So >> Yeah, I think they have depleted I guess it's along the leading edge and apparently that ionizes the air to some degree and creates some kind of change in the way air flows. >> That's amazing. Yeah, it's like what is it laminar air flow or something? >> Laminar air flow is when it it goes smooth over the surface, but um I don't know I don't remember exactly it's employed there. I just know it's >> That's fascinating though. It's so

interesting and Yeah, it's a it's not quite anti-gravity, but it's it's the use of electric fields to manipulate air flow and that's what he was claiming. >> Yeah, I don't think it's anti-gravity at all. I think they're just they're just trying to modify air flow. >> It's actually what people used to debunk the Townsend Brown experiments with is the you know, the ion propulsion. And then people don't realize he was at the tip of the spear of that as well. And he was also claiming to get this electrogravitic effect. But yeah, he was using he called it electrohydrodynamics

or electroaerodynamics. And I have evidence that his work made it into the B-2 stealth bomber. So >> Oh, you do? >> I do, yeah. >> So this is crazy. So he had this um little company in Santa Monica called guide it was called What was it called? Guidance technology Yeah, he had a little company in Santa Monica. It was called Guidance Technologies and Curtis LeMay would hang out there. Bill Lear would hang out there. They had offices across the street. >> And um he actually even showed um Ed

Teller uh a version of his ion wind experiment called the fan precipitator, and Ed Teller freaked out and said, "I don't know how this works." And Ed Teller's wife goes, "I've never heard him say that before." cuz he was such a And so he he gets funding by this guy Floyd Odlum for this guidance technologies in Santa Monica. Floyd Odlum is the uh largest investor, single investor in Northrop at the time, pre-pre merger with Grumman. And so he's working on all these experiments. In '67 he gives, you know, demos to the Rand

Corporation, to Curtis LeMay, to Lear, to all these people. They're all freaking out. Then the trail goes dark. He says, "I got to close up shop. Didn't get any sort of successful result." I've spoken to his daughter about this, and she's like, "He definitely got some successful results." >> Yeah. Okay. >> And then in 1968, and you can go find this paper now, a Northrop paper comes out, and it says, "We are experimenting with to confer a tactical advantage to, you know, an airframe or whatever." And how would this help with air with airflow

if, you know, for for airplanes? And uh it's in the AIAA, you know, the American Institute of, you know, Aeronautics and Astronautics. And then they retract the paper, and they act like they're going to hide it. And then Floyd Odlum pays off Towns and Brown $4,000 a month for the rest of his life to his family. And his his daughter's talked about that on record as well. >> Yes. And then in 19, you know, late '80s, early '90s, the B-2 gets unveiled, and it's like uh you know, there's a you

know, a leading edge that's positive and a trailing edge that's negative, and Bill Scott from Aviation Week is talking about how it uses, you know, this not really Biefeld-Brown effect, but this variation that, you know, is ion wind, you know, based propulsion, basically. And so I think it clearly Towns and >> Yeah, I get I I guess that's true. >> And it's a 1.5 billion dollar craft and he gets paid 4,000 dollars a month. He got ripped off. >> It's messed up. I hate that.

polarizable vacuum and these quantum vacuum fluctuations and that that being >> I know he's into quantum vacuum fluctuations, but I don't know what else he's got going on. >> He's sort of you know, he has EarthTech in Austin and I think it's like a a suite of like exotic scientific experiments. He's also doing he's doing stuff with extended electrodynamics, this thing I was telling you about these exotic electromagnetic waves with these quantum receivers, these Josephson junctions >> that are kept at very cool temperatures

and they receive the vector and scalar potentials and that converts to communication. So, it's almost like you know, they say that you can't use entanglement for communication. This is like almost there. It's It's pretty >> you can't and use it for communication. >> so, too. >> There's There's no doubt. >> There's no doubt. >> Why do you think that? but um I look aren't the the Chinese already

using that or they have used it for encryption and communicate satellite >> I I know. But yeah. >> Yeah, but I'm I'm just talking about basic communication. >> My guess So, if you can mirror two photons and you know what one's going to do when you see what the one near you is doing that you're measuring, then that seems like some like communication. That's binary communication right there. That's yes, no communication, right? And then if you can create >> Yeah, that's that's

that's technically communication. >> Right. Right, so then >> basic levels, but if I recall, the Chinese did that and they they came up with uh some sort of earth-to-satellite communication that uses quantum entanglement and you can't decipher it unless you're at one of the nodes. Um Yeah, God, I wish I could remember more about it. It's fascinating. >> Yeah, but I I mean, I'm I'm convinced.

>> But, if you >> I think there's just some hurdles to overcome, but I don't think it's >> If you can, then the the distances for communication are unlimited. Cuz entanglement is agnostic of >> Maybe there's some decay that is cosmological that we don't understand. >> but I mean, we we really haven't tested it to any great lengths. I mean, it it looks like it is.

mark one of the most unusual attempts to build practical ultra-light personal Their story begins with Eugene Michael Gluhareff, a Russian-born aeronautical engineer whose family emigrated to the United States in the early 1920s. >> Oh, he was a great guy. I mean, he was part of the you know, heard of Sikorsky Helicopters. Yeah, he was he was part of that. And um >> He also worked He also worked on the NASA rocket the the Saturn V.

>> Yeah, yeah. I I think he worked on the rocket ejection seat. Um >> I believe it was called S4. >> It's like we're we live in a simulation. >> Yeah. Wait, what? >> Yeah, did you know about this? He He worked on the S4 stage of the rocket. >> Get the hell out of here. Did he really? No, I didn't know that. But anyway, no, I was interested in the uh jet propulsion and he made a you know, there are

>> Well, he had worked on the the the jet the Glue Rauf jet. >> Yeah, that that was I mean it's kind of an interesting jet engine. He worked with a essentially a valveless pulse jet that had no moving parts to it at all. >> So, it that really fascinated me and how the shock waves interacted with each other to produce thrust. >> We just dropped a new limited merch Two tees, one off-white, one vintage black, plus hats. The design has a

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