“Aliens Are Simulating Our Reality” -Top MIT Scientist Riz Virk

know what I'm doing a little bit. These sentiments are mostly just a product of postmodern nihilism, the absurdity of modern life. Yes, so guys like a cowgirl. I'm ready One in which society feels purposeless, docile, and domesticated, in which we're hypnotized by material gain, stupid status games, and mere survival. Look at that subtle off-white coloring. Oh my It even has a watermark. We know it's all kind of fake and

ephemeral, but we continue playing the game for some reason, frozen by our desires and paralyzed by faithlessness in higher worlds that have been relegated to mythology that few people actually believe are real. zombie path. Everything is speeding up and the future is fracturing at an accelerated pace. Artificial intelligence war in Gaza Ukraine war The post-pandemic timeline is a forcing

function for us to reconcile with the ugliest parts of ourselves. Who would buy that? Our Jungian shadows. Every one of you are terrorists. I don't care what you say. Perhaps we're our player is saying, "Okay, now I need to make some changes." Or now I need to take control and make sure it doesn't go do this thing. The simulation is breaking. We're glimpsing the light beyond Plato's cave, and that light can either eviscerate us or save us.

simulation in the first place? We are living in a computer programmed reality and the only clue we have to it is when some variable is changed. Well, there were some early and very important proponents like sci-fi authors Philip K. Dick and William Gibson. But the theory wasn't given its coveted academic stamp of approval until Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrom wrote his 2012 book Superintelligence. The hypothesis

that we are literally living in a computer simulation. We used to say in artificial intelligence that the Turing test was the holy grail. That developing an AI indistinguishable from another human being would be near impossible to achieve. And then, at least in the realm of text, we've done just that with OpenAI's ChatGPT. I think like just this is the arc of human technological history as we build bigger and more complex systems. So why shouldn't we

expect the same thing to occur with virtual reality? The creation of a virtual world as high-fidelity as ours. One that's even totally indistinguishable from it. This was Bostrom's essential thesis. You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. After 9 years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss. So in a future war-torn, resource-constrained world, why wouldn't everyone begin opting into these brain-machine virtual simulations?

Wouldn't infinite resources at your fingertips be more pleasurable than walking around microchipped in a shantytown without access to clean water? But maybe that future isn't inevitable. What about a resource-abundant world? That's always possible, too. Well, that resource abundance would be achieved through technology that is probably dual use. In other words, tech that can either save humanity or destroy it. This technology has the chance to either bring us together or completely

rip us apart once for all. Take nuclear fusion. It can destroy humanity with a hydrogen bomb or theoretically save it with controlled free energy. And the costs, barriers to entry, and civil engineering required to build all of these technologies are exponentially dropping. We're not at the point where a kid in his bedroom can blow up the world just yet, but we might be uncomfortably close soon. Who should we nuke first? How about Las Vegas? Las Vegas, great.

have an incredibly high-fidelity biological skin suit headset on right now in the form of your body? Our senses are a filter to stop our brains from being overwhelmed with reality. Mhm. And so, what we see is a aspect of everything around us. But, that is a different model of reality than people currently have today, but it's one I'm sympathetic to, which is that the sensory organs are not necessarily productive, they're reductive. On a default state of almost

greater omniscence, but an inability to make sense of right things. Even Elon Musk, America's chief industrialist of SpaceX, Tesla, and ex-fame, thinks that we're living in a There's a one in billions chance that this is base reality. Oh, okay. Elon's and Nick Bostrom's arguments are so easy to comprehend and common sense and so hard to argue with that even a totally closed-minded midwit like Neil deGrasse Tyson accepts that we are 50% likely to be living in a simulation. It's hard to

argue against the possibility that all of us are not just the creation of some kid in a parent's basement programming up a world for their own entertainment. educated computer scientist with a very successful career as a video game entrepreneur. We are most likely inside some kind of a computer simulation. Hmm. Virk takes Bostrom's work on the simulation theory to the next level. He

points to all sorts of phenomenon in physics from the finely tuned physical constants to quantum indeterminacy to show that reality is likely based on information theory or quantum code that humans are rendering in real time. The more I looked into the idea of the physical universe, the more I realized many physicists are telling us that the physical world doesn't really exist. Right, and start with John Wheeler. He said that physics went through three

phases in his life. In the first phase, they thought everything was a particle, meaning they thought it was like a solid Mhm. thing. And then, when quantum mechanics came along, they thought everything was a field. And the conclusion he came to finally was the more he looked into what an actual particle is, the only thing he could find was that it was an answer to a series of yes-no questions. Mhm. But he also points to Christian, Islamic, Vedic, and even classical Western texts like Plato that all point

towards a proto-architecture behind religion. One that depicts life as a sort of painful yet joyous karmic game in which we must learn repeated lessons. In the Sufi traditions, you know, they talk about the 70,000 veils. These veils are put between you and ultimate reality, between you and God. And you're trying to remember who you were and who God is. Virk also discusses time, timelines, and time loops as the core variables in the simulation. really only exists

if you do something multiple times. Mhm. So, how is it that we can talk about a probability wave and collapsing if it's only going to happen one time? Mhm. The only way that is real probability is if it was run multiple Mhm. Much of this points to a simulation theory that in my mind is far more life-affirming, empowering, and meaningful for the average individual than the typical nihilistic framing that you were just a cog in a computational machine and that your life has no

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data today. as having many different flavors or axes. And one of the axes is whether it's we're all NPCs, non-player characters, or we're all avatars of players, which I call the RPG version or the role-playing game version.

fundamental, and more primordial soul is voluntarily porting itself into low-level reality. the myth of Er or something. He's sort of zapped into a body, you know, you experience anamnesis where you forget your sort of formal former primordial self. But, there is that self and that that self has real agency in this in this world. So, I think that's more I do, too. And that's why I tend to lean more towards the RPG version. But, it

also, you know, one of the reasons why we can't remember is perhaps that's the way the game was set up. Why? Because you have been down there, Neo. You know that road. You know exactly where it ends. finely-tuned physical constants, feels like it was perfectly constructed to create the conditions of our solar system and the Earth. As the great Stephen Hawking even

admitted, the laws of science as we know them at present contain many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life. Take water, one of the most basic resources for intelligent life on Earth. It's comprised of hydrogen and oxygen. Hydrogen and oxygen

happen to bond in a way that forms a perfect crystal lattice structure when frozen. Normally, solids are more dense than liquids and so they sink below them. But in the case of water, these perfect hexagonal crystal structures space H2O molecules out more in ice than in water, making it less dense. That's why you see water floating above the surface. If that weren't the case, then the Earth would flood many times over. But that's just the tip of the iceberg, no pun intended. If Planck's constant or the strong nuclear force were slightly

different, it would drastically change the formation and stability of basic elements like hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen in the first place. Elements that, as we just discussed in the case of water, are essential for organic life. If the gravitational constant were different, the Earth might not be able to retain its own atmosphere and the lifespan of the sun can be drastically shorter than it is now. This wouldn't even allow for enough time for life to form in the first place. And what about the Earth's Van Allen belt? It protects us from cosmic radiation

that would wipe life off the planet. The Van Allen belt is created by Earth's magnetic field. And if you think the Earth's magnetic field isn't finely tuned to support life, try growing organic life in a Faraday chamber, removing the Earth's natural electromagnetic frequencies. Grow a frog embryo in a Faraday chamber and it comes out pretty messed up. This is why astronauts need to bring Schumann resonance machines up with them to space to mimic the Earth's magnetic field. Otherwise, their bodies will stop functioning properly. And the magnetic

field of the Earth blocks just enough solar radiation to ensure humans don't get eviscerated by over-radiation, but lets in just enough to create some of the genetic mutations necessary for natural selection and evolution to that these are all just happy accidents that eventually occur with enough time, solar systems, and planets across eons. But thinkers like Riz Virk think these perfectly fine-tuned conditions point to

intelligent creation or simulation. these constants have been run through within a timeline of the multiverse. I call it the simulated multiverse, so they've been simulated, and we happen to be in the one that has the constants that are well fine-tuned for us to be able to live in it. But there are other universes out there where we would not be able to live.

We have more evidence for the simulation in information theory, which is the basis for the simulation in computers and video games that we code up every day. You would use repeating consistent structures to build programs. Think about it. If there are a few lines of code that help the people at Activision build Tony Hawk's Pro Skater that they can just reuse for Call of Duty, they'll just copy and paste that code. Well, in nature, we see all sorts of repeating patterns that seem to represent the building blocks of organic

plant and animal life. numbers in which each new term is the sum of the previous two terms: 1, 2, 3, 8, etc. As the sequence progresses, the ratio between consecutive numbers in a Fibonacci sequence approaches the golden ratio, or roughly 1.618. The dimensions of DNA follow Fibonacci numbers. The arrangement of leaves on plant stems often follow Fibonacci

numbers to maximize sunlight exposure. The even tripier thing is that these biological patterns often look like fractals of larger cosmological patterns in our solar system. The arms of spiral galaxies often form logarithmic spirals displaying the golden ratio. This includes, by the way, our Milky Way galaxy. It's sort of like an infinite Russian nesting doll system. and information theory work?

Well, the basis of information theory involves bits, or ones and zeros, or on and off switches, or yeses and noes, which become abstracted into higher-level symbolic language, and eventually into icons and images that we see on the graphical interfaces we call computers. So, where might we find ones and zeros in nature? Plenty of particles have matter-antimatter pairs. Take an Electrons themselves are perfectly interoperable. They all have the exact

same atomic mass and properties, and they all have an antimatter inverse called the positron. The antimatter, or the zeros, are not really detectable. Maybe these binary switches are being actively rendered by an observer. And what about human beings themselves? Well, we all have four nucleotides that make up DNA: adenine, guanine, thymine, and cytosine, or A, G, T, C for short. But we call them base pairs because A always bonds with T, and C always bonds

with G. So, two base pairs. Sounds like bits or ones and zeros to me. Is it really so hard to believe? fact that we all think we're in the same reality. Right? And are are we in the same reality or not? It is an interesting question and It's like a consensus collapsing function. like a consensus collapsing function.

You know, we could get into a whole discussion if we had time about the Mandela effect. A phenomenon in which a large number of people remember events that don't seem to match reality. people remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the '80s, even going into detail about his wife walking in a funeral procession beside his casket for 2 hours that day. An event that never Mandela went on to be released from

prison. He united South Africa and he died in 2013. Other people swear that in Star Wars' Empire Strikes Back, Darth Vader says, "Luke, I am your father." What he actually says is, "No, I am your A little less iconic. Sex in the City is actually Sex and the City. The Flintstones is actually spelled There are countless examples. One of the interesting aspects of the Mandela effect that I found was when

scripture changes. Because, you know, people take their scripture pretty seriously. Right? I mean, it's one thing to have one letter change somewhere, which is a big deal, like in the case of the Bernstein Bears versus the Berenstain Bears or one word in the case of The Empire Strikes Back, you know, "Luke, I am your father." almost word for word and so there are all these Bible changes like like Isaiah and the lion and the lamb and that that

line is not there anymore and in Islam they memorize the Quran word for word. I mean that before you become a priest there's a designation called Hafiz which is somebody who literally can go through the entire Quran word for word. I always thought that was kind of stupid like why do we need to memorize word for word? We have the books. Now we have computers. We can do a search. It doesn't seem to make sense and I looked around to see if anybody had claimed any of the words had changed and there was this one Sufi Imam who claimed that the reason why even after the

architect of information theory which led to modern computation principles and the great physicist John Archibald Wheeler, one of the first proponents of information as the basis of physics. It was Wheeler who coined the phrase it from bit and the more recent and probably more accurate version it from qubit to suggest that physical reality arises from a base substrate of I know he's a proponent of kind of it from bit but I I'm more familiar with you know the Schrodinger, you know, just

a probability function. So how do you get from probability function to like binary yes no question sort of thing? Right. Well, okay. So you might have to do do bit of bridging there because if you think of the probability wave, what it's actually saying is that particles are in superposition. It's like a wave or an interference pattern. Now, that's just weird. Right? So, why would the universe be in states of superposition until there's a

measurement or an observation? You know, there's no good reason for that as far as we can tell. It's just one of these mysteries of nature. And so, for me, it it very much reminded me quantum physics very much reminded me of how we build video games today and virtual worlds. And so, if it becomes what we sometimes call a lazy evaluation in computer science, which is you don't evaluate anything until you need to and don't render it unless you need to. You render only those pieces you need

That could very much provide an interesting explanation for the why of this quantum indeterminacy. That kind of reminds me of like if you have Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, you know, that measure position, momentum gets fuzzier and sort of vice versa. It's almost like a computational caching function or something. Like only so much can be stored in local memory. And what about how light travels? Wouldn't that follow information theory principles? Fermat's principle of least time states that light follows the path

that takes the least time to travel from one point to another. If the universe were a simulation, then the rendering of light, which is the foundation of everything we see, seems like it is governed by algorithms that seek the most efficient outcomes. In computers, you have a client side and a server side, a front-end interface and a back-end database. Well, that actually might be how consciousness works. We may be nodes in a larger network. When one person learns a new concept or achieves a breakthrough, they might make it

occurs, a new node downloading that information becomes that much easier. Also, if you make a new chemical compound for the first time and you crystallize it, that crystal form won't have existed before cuz it's a new compound. And the more often you crystallize it, the easier it should get for crystals of that kind to form. That's amazing. This might also explain the Bannister effect, the idea that when a significant barrier is broken in athletics, it can lead to a mental shift that opens the

floodgates for others to achieve the same new heights. The Bannister effect is named after British athlete Roger Bannister, who broke the 4-minute mile record in 1954 at Oxford. Within just 2 and 1/2 years, 10 other runners had all broken the 4-minute mile. I was barely aware of the fact that Chris Chataway was now going into the is a server side storing information for

us, how would that client-server communication take place? Well, if you recall from my video, The Man Who Built UFOs for the CIA, I interview a Navy whistleblower who discusses an extended version of electrodynamics that involves a far more faithful adherence to James Clerk Maxwell's 21 original equations instead of Oliver Heaviside's simplification into four vector calculus equations. When you introduce the scalar field, you now have

the possibility of at least three completely new kinds of waves. Some of these waves might involve faster than light communications, and one of those exotic new wave types is called So, maybe that's how biological life gets downloads from the central server. And what about humans? Every human body has an electromagnetic field, and if this extended version of electrodynamics is real, maybe that's how we call information from the larger field or

This fully comports with the phenomenology of thought, way more than saying that thoughts are just locally produced. And it might even explain some very interesting ancient and biblical depictions of holy figures. The symbol for the crown is called corona radiata. It's a nerve endings inside the brain. And we were taught of in neurology, we cannot control this. We cannot activate that. And then I came and I showed how

to enlighten, activate the corona radiata white mass inside the brain. I know I'm a king, man. The real king. And you and all of us, we should be kings. was actually from a Jacques Vallee, and he was like, "There's a guy named Riz Virk, and he has this crazy theory." And he sort, you know, he took me through it. And he was like, "It's impossible to

disprove. Like, it's I think it's right." I read his first book and I completely convinced. Yeah. I read his second book and then I and then I He asked me to write a forward for the French version, which I did, because by then I was hooked. and I couldn't find a flaw in what he was saying. Wow, okay. What is the simulated multiverse? What what is the core loop engine? Why run many, you know, kind of simulation functions? Yeah, so, you know, let's

start with the multiverse interpretation of quantum mechanics, which was put forth by Hugh Everett, who was a student of of John Wheeler's at Princeton. And he basically came up with a way to explain one of the problems with the Copenhagen interpretation. And so, one of the problems was you have this this probability wave and you have it collapsing to one possibility, but nobody understood how that would actually happen. There's no math that brings you from this to this directly.

It was like magic. Well, it's the Schrödinger's equation, I guess, but it's it's like square of the amplitude of the Yeah, that's how you get the probability, but nobody really understands how do you go from that down to just one. one, yeah, absolutely. So, the collapse is the particular eigenstate. Nobody knows why we have Yeah, right. And what happens to the other possibilities at that point? Right? Well, so, you know, as I began to think about it, if you look at the original definition of probability, it was one of these French mathematicians, I'm forgetting which one, but somebody asked him about

rolling dice. He basically said if you take a die, a single dice, it has six possible futures. Right? So, he said if you roll this dice, you know, you're going to get one of these possible futures. And so, probability really only exists if you do something multiple times. Right? Otherwise, what does it mean? There's no meaning to probability. Right? How would you know if you hadn't flipped the coin so many times?

And so, so how is it that we can can a probability wave and collapsing if it's only going to happen one time. The only way that is real probability is if it was run multiple times. And Everett said, well, if you take these different possibilities and the uh what you have is a wave that is basically a superset, a superposition of all these waves. And he said, you can separate one of the waves, but then you're still left with all the other subsets of that that wave. And it turns out you can separate all of them.

So, into different physical universes. Mhm. And so, you know, he put out this idea that when that collapse happens, what's really happening is we are in one of those universes, and the other universes exist out there. The problem with that approach, according to many physicists, is it's not parsimonious. Mhm. Right, that's the word they like to use, because it's basically creating a new universe like all the time, right? Yeah. We're talking about at the quantum decision state, right? So, much smaller

than a second, we've been creating new universes. And so, that idea seems absurd to some people, that we we have to create these entire physical universes. Um and I like to say, well, there's really nothing in nature, no big object that can clone itself so quickly. Unless there's one scenario in which I could conceive it happening. And that is that the universe is actually information. Computation, yeah. And computation. So, you don't actually have to clone the whole physical universe, you just have to clone the information in the

actual Copenhagen school, a lot of them were flirting with the idea that the mind was part of the collapsing of the wave function. So, like you could even, you know, read like Heisenberg and these sort of musings about this, you know, it all has to go through the mind. And then you had Max Planck earlier and von Neumann, Wigner, that was sort of part of their interpretation. Yeah. And then later on it turned into this, you know, if you talk to most quantum uh you know, field theorists now, they would say that uh you know, it's just when particles sort of collide, they

collapse into an eigenstate, and that's independent of, you know, any sort of human observer. And I do think I do find it interesting that a lot of the, you know, all the early proponents, the people that actually made the equations that govern, you know, uh quantum mechanics and then quantum field theory, uh were proponents of of this, and then it kind of turned into this, you know, shut up and calculate thing. Right. And and I think that is something we shouldn't try to lose. I I think sometimes we try to have too much certainty, because we think the other

thing is absurd, right? Uh I mean, Wheeler was one of the ones who who talked about this idea that in quantum there is no subject-object separation. You can't have Like the scientists like to think there's a there's a a window here, and I'm watching the observation over there, and what I'm doing here doesn't affect Right? That's kind of the basis of scientific experimentation. Mhm. I mean, you can't have science if you can't have that, but Wheeler was one of the proponents who said there is no such thing. That basically we are in a

participatory universe. So, if we are observing this experiment, we are affecting the outcome. that wave equation that basically governs all subatomic behavior, said consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms, for consciousness is absolutely fundamental. It cannot be accounted for in terms of anything else. Schrödinger had a lecture series called

What is Life, in which he expounds upon his view of consciousness as being fundamental to physics, biology, and even life itself. He also had a dog named Atman, which is the primordial soul or eternal self in Hinduism, but I digress. So, that is the big debate in physics and it's one that still hasn't been solved, you know, in in in my opinion yet. We like to think it's been solved. And so, we come up with ways in which we say, "Oh, yeah. It's only when the particles intersect with each other and

measurement, not observation." Cuz observation is what requires an actual conscious entity to observe Measurement, you might say, doesn't. But, turns out that's not quite true, either. Mhm. Because the measurement could be in a state of superposition. Mhm. Until when? Until somebody actually looks at that measurement. Mhm. Uh Exactly. Which could happen in the future. Yeah, there's no epistemological way around it having to port itself through a human mind, ultimately. Yeah. And so, like, you can say it's the quantum detector, but that is as much

speculation as somebody saying it's the mind. It's it's sort of the speculation versus speculation. And I think this sort of smug, you know, dismissal of the mind being the collapser of the wave function doesn't never sort of made sense to me. It feels ideological and, you know, part of our sort of, you know, age of disenchant or materialist reductionist sort of age. But, what about respected mainstream physicists? Do any of them have good theories about the mind and how it relates to wave function collapse? Renowned Nobel Prize winner and

mathematician Roger Penrose constructed such a theory of mind called orchestrated objective reduction or Orch OR for short. It argues that within the brain's microtubules, space-time itself exists in superposition and that there is a gravitational component of that space-time superposition that builds up until it reaches a threshold. Once it hits this threshold, the microtubules lose their quantum coherence and the wave function

But, before the collapse and during the gravity build-up, there is a fleeting window of time, a space where nothing is set in stone, where all outcomes exist in a quantum haze. Could this be where free will comes into play? So, consciousness it's the other way around. It depends on that choice which nature makes all the time when the state becomes one of the other rather than the superposition of one and the other. And when that happens, there is, well, what we're saying now, an element of proto-consciousness takes

Proto-consciousness is, roughly the building block out of which actual consciousness is constructed. Penrose believes his theory of orchestrated objective reduction preserves free will. So, consciousness is not a pure computation. Or to put it differently, mashing up Penrose and Wheeler, reality is a computation, but free will and intention is driving that computation. It's in the command center. Free will itself is computationally

computationally irreducible. Yes, and so that's the other part of it is if you add free will into a computational process, which by the way most computer scientists don't want to do, and which most most scientists don't want to do because they think of free will as just being randomness, quantum randomness. Right? In fact, in computers, you know, there's a there's usually in every language there's a command to generate a random But technically, it's not really random because it's using a well-defined algorithm based on some key phrase and

maybe the time, you know, in nanoseconds or milliseconds that you actually made that request. Uh and so, the only true randomness in computers comes from quantum computing. Uh because quantum computing is relying on the actual quantum effect of superposition collapsing into a position. And that is like the only true randomness. And so scientists try to define free will as the same as that kind of randomness. Uh but if you take a different approach, which is this is a computer program that's running, but

there's a player and an avatar, the player can actually make the choice. So you have now introduced free will, but you need to step out of the system to introduce free will. And that is the same problem like, you know, scientists didn't want to deal with consciousness. prioritize assertion. Now let's get back to quantum mechanics. In general relativity, time and gravity are coupled. In quantum mechanics, gravity becomes so weak that it basically becomes a negligible force. So again, if time and gravity are coupled, why wouldn't time also become negligible

or superpositional at subatomic quantum position and momentum superpositionality. The idea that before their observation, subatomic particles don't exist in discrete locations. Their locations are probabilistic. Excuse my French, but that never made any [ __ ] sense to me. Now I'm going to propose something very speculative and probably a bit That at subatomic levels, just as gravity breaks down, time breaks down.

is not. But the two are still coupled and it begs the important question. Why do we take time for granted as a classical axiom on a subatomic level when we don't understand gravity at all on a subatomic level? So maybe time superpositionality is what causes position and momentum superpositionality. In other words, there's probably some time-based wave function that is upstream of our position and momentum wave function. Well, that would change the Penrose theory a bit.

Maybe the brain actually decoheres time into a singular linear timeline. The brain might be the reason we experience linear time. And when the brain is in a particularly coherent state, it might be able to do some interesting things related to time. Penrose thinks, it likely has access to shards of the future.

stylus and you there's like an LP player or something like a record and it's choosing the particular timelines or something and those those sort of already preexist. You know, maybe maybe it's just up to the mind to to move the stylus or something. Yeah. Yeah, well, I think that's an interesting way to look at it. You know, I look at it more like it's runs of the simulation and and the universe is in fact a quantum computer, right? And you can run the game state forward, but then you can come back and change the game state as well. Like you

can save the game state and say, "Okay, I ran that. Now I'm going to run this other one. Let's see which one is optimal for me." And then that's the one that's I'm going to let move forward. branch of physics that began to grow in momentum mid-century. One that went a bit farther than Wheeler, although he did actively entertain it at times. This is the notoriously murky field of parapsychology, where the study of mind-matter interactions The mind is no

longer limited by the parameters of the The person's consciousness and awareness is able to transcend space and time and describe what is going on hundreds or thousands of miles away or hours or days in the future. If you believe the findings of parapsychology, maybe the mind is collapsing Schrödinger's wave equation. Despite the modern stigma around studying this stuff now, it was popping up at many elite universities across the United States. Duke, Stanford,

Washington University at St. Louis, even Princeton, all had vital parapsychology departments. A friend of mine who will remain anonymous, but now runs a multi-billion dollar hedge fund, happened to help run that lab at Princeton. It was called the Princeton Engineering Anomalous Research Lab, and he was an expert in one of its staple experiments, the random event generator. Take a well-calibrated device that produces binary outputs based on conventionally thought of as random processes in quantum mechanics. For

example, radioactive isotope decay, photon interference, electron tunneling, all of these things have a known statistical distribution. And so, if you imagine something like imagine you have a wheel that's spinning. It's like a roulette wheel. It's called either have a black marker or a white marker. And so, this wheel, it's spinning, spinning, spinning, when the radioactive particle decays, it stops the wheel. So, basically, you've created this perfect digital coin flip. By tying a digital coin flip to a random quantum mechanical process, we are guaranteeing even

distribution between ones and zeros over a long enough time scale. Finally, you bring an observer present to see the ones and zeros output on the screen. Hey, Jesse. How are you doing? Good. How are you doing? Thanks for having me. Excellent. Come on in. All right. Let's do it. The observer comes in with an intention. They're trying to skew the output on the screen towards either ones or zeros. I I can see you're already trying to influence, all right? Yeah. Should we all Should we all try? Ready? Mhm. You'd expect the observer not to matter at all, for the output to be

evenly distributed between ones and zeros with an expected standard deviation, no matter who is present, when or where the experiment is done. But, my friend who helped run this Princeton lab has a ton of corroborated evidence showing that there is a skewing effect. And that an observer who comes in with the intention of ones or another observer with the intention of zeros can often achieve a skewing towards those outputs in a statistically significant

To the extent that one can summarize what we find is that the uh human mind and the information processing machines seem to be entering into some sort of a dialogue which influences both the machine and uh the human mind that is interacting with it. These experimental trials are very well run and they adhere to strict scientific protocols. And trust me, I've thrown the

kitchen sink of skepticism at it with him. Survivorship bias, P-hacking, file drawer issues, all your typical issues with experimental protocols and data. He has pretty solid responses to all of these. If you look at it as uh sort of a social process in science, like if you look at it as a social political process where establishment means that a large cohort of people agree with you, I would say it was never established. It was always very rejected. If you say established means, did you run a well-controlled experiment that got a result at the level or multiple

well-controlled experiments that got a result at the level that, for example, would allow them to say that a new particle exists in physics or something like that, then absolutely. I did do an episode with him and maybe when the world is ready, I'll drop it. But for now, I should just say that this is a bridge too far for a lot of people in science. It's an epistemological paradigm shift, not a scientific paradigm shift. It says that the intention and internal state of the observer matters for what's observed. The implications of this are literally impossible to list, but they include and

are not limited to an allowance for all sorts of air pockets of different consensus realities. This might explain UFOs, the Mandela effect, and a whole host of other anomalies we experience in our everyday lives that we explain away because we're told that those experiences are fake or can't happen. The crazy thing I found about random event generators is that there are very few people who've studied them who don't come out believing that there is some sort of mind-matter effect. Even Erwin Schrödinger himself, who

aren't taken seriously, even if they show paradigm-shifting, mind-blowing effects with their results alone, is that we can't figure out some clear causal mechanism or turn the mind-matter interaction into math or instrumentalize it into any sort of useful technology. I think the existing paradigm is it served some purpose, but I think we are in the third age. I think the philosophical toolbox that we're using enact our existing scientific method is way behind where it would have to be to

Kirchhoff, but back then it was an anomaly. Theoretically, an object that only absorbed light would exponentially heat up and create an ultraviolet catastrophe, a cataclysmic explosion. We needed Max Planck's work in 1900 around quanta to understand why this doesn't happen mathematically. Random event generators in parapsychology are like this. The effects are real, we just can't turn them into math. And it was not a subject that I had any background in from a scholarly

standpoint. The guy that started the Princeton parapsychology lab was a plasma physicist and propulsion engineer named Bob Jahn. In fact, Bob Jahn was even the dean of Princeton engineering before starting PEAR. And a lot of his plasma propulsion systems are still used in space. This guy basically threw away his career um literally to pursue this. I'll also say that naively he didn't expect that it was going to be received as so much atrociously as it was. I think he thought, "Well, as long as I do good experiments that are well controlled,

you know, it'll be treated like everything else in science." So, he was sort of with his age and everything else kind of coming from a time period where a lot of the early quantum experimental people were just before him. He's kind of coming out of this mindset of reality is this wide open thing, there's a lot to explore and find, and he thought that he was just kind of finding and exploring a new topic like I didn't expect it to be received that way. Bob was ahead of his time. And in his book, Margins of Reality, he discusses a model of consciousness in which waves

coming from the mind help collapse the wave function. Modern scientist Rupert Sheldrake fully agrees. In fact, that's how he thinks vision works in general. light comes in, changes happen in the mind and the brain. And then the images are projected out. Mhm. So, my image of you is exactly where it seems to be. It's in 3D and full color, but it's located right where you're sitting. And it overlaps with you as it were. So, everything I see is projected out of my

mind. So, my mind is extended beyond my brain, filling the whole world around model, he discusses the space-time superposition build-up as occurring within the human brain. If there's anything to this and the idea that our minds are just graphical interfaces, then of course he'd be able to affect random quantum mechanical processes. You aren't literally affecting the material world with your mind. You're just affecting your unique computational rendering of that material world. Your

mind is just an interface. But we keep bringing up this idea that the mind is an interface. Do we have any proof of that? Surely for survival it would make sense that humans would need to be seeing an objective version of reality. Well, that's actually not true at all. Seeing the true nature of reality is not always adaptive for survival. Cognitive psychologist Donald Hoffman shows all of the ways in which perceiving reality actually can hurt chances of survival. Take color. All color is just differentiated by where it sits on the

electromagnetic wave spectrum. So, why don't we see the wavelengths of light directly? Because it's in a human's advantage to quickly categorize things. It's way more efficient for me to see the color red than a 650 nanometer wavelength. To hear a ringing noise instead of 2,000 hertz frequency waves. If you see blood, you react immediately. If you see a bunch of light waves, it might take you a little longer to jump into action. So, humans have evolved to see colors and sounds. They aren't intrinsic parts

of nature. They are high-level abstractions. They're like application icons on a computer screen. They're simple categorizations that allow us to navigate reality, not the source code underlying it. We don't even know the underlying substrate of what we're seeing, and my reality might be very different from your reality.

consciousness inside each one of us. And it's right at the source and base of mind, and it's also at the source of all Wilson, who worked at CERN in its early years, developed the concept of renormalization, which essentially looks at how the behavior of a physical system

changes when viewed at different energy scales. At higher energy levels, new and deeper structures of physical laws emerge, revealing previously hidden phenomena. This process involves progressively zooming in on a system by increasing the energy, and in so doing, stripping away the superficial details of lower energy physics to reveal the underlying more fundamental Wilson used renormalization to show that at high energy levels near critical

points, such as phase transitions in materials, new universal behavior emerges that applies to a wide range of systems. Essentially, by pushing systems to extreme conditions near the critical temperature of a phase transition, for example, their underlying dynamics become more evident. In conventional science, this mostly applies to materials and phase transitions, but perhaps Wilson's concepts here have more to do with the nature of reality itself than we realize.

nuclear weapons, we could literally be ripping holes in the fabric of reality. What if there's something about this that actually disrupts physical reality or changes time? The current paradigm of atomic energy output is the Tsar Bomba, which exerts 80 to 100 megatons of TNT. When we get to upwards of 1 * 10 to the ninth tons of TNT, we can start folding space-time at will.

squared, then the only way to get this sort of space-time metric effect is if you have enough energy. You got it, because if you do it, the only two ways to warp space-time is with mass or a lot of energy. Think of mass and energy as the same thing. Mhm. Mass is ice, energy is steam, okay? But they're both water, okay? So, same thing kind of here. Energy and mass have this relationship. So, you need to get Planck scale energy or something. I cannot, if I use mass to do this, I'm going to I need I need mass more than the Earth. I'm going to perturb everything on the planet. So, what's

probably happening is it's a whole lot of that. So, for all we know, we're ripping little holes in space-time now or sending out exotic electromagnetic or scalar longitudinal waves every time we do a nuclear test. This would explain why UFOs constantly show up around nuclear blasts, as documented by the great work of journalist Robert Hastings. In fact, in his seminal book UFOs and Nukes, Hastings discusses intelligently moving green fireballs constantly showing up

abstraction, getting to the root information layer of reality, and breaking out of the simulation. This even makes sense in quantum mechanics. Remember Heisenberg uncertainty between position and momentum? Well, we also have quantum indeterminacy between time and level of energy. In other words, precise measurements between time and energy trade against each other, and high levels of energy might disrupt time. So you talk about Trinity, and you talk about Roswell, and similar things happen

in the towns after the explosions. You have people report devils chasing them around and all sorts of paranormal activity. So are you opening up a window to another plane? You say that energy correlates with information. Yes. So if you have this massive energy kind of output, then all of a sudden maybe you can you can see more. Yes. And it makes a an impact that that's that's permanent. So the question is is it is it a way to can we walk up

the chain of events and can we get back to the source in some way? Um so well, the idea that the also in the future is one idea. There's an idea that's more radical is that this is all a simulation. occurred with Tesla and Thomas Townsend and Brown's experiments. Bryce DeWitt, who helped establish quantum gravity, which led to string

theory with his Institute of Field Physics in North Carolina, was also funding Townsend and Brown's high-voltage gravitational experiments at the same time. Bostick is quoted as saying strange things happen at high mega voltage across short distances. Bostick talks about anomalous phenomena that happen when you get into extremely high voltages at extremely low currents. He was clearly referring to Thomas Townsend Brown's work. Townsend Brown himself thought that his work had clear

implications for time travel and he was very aware that when you mess with gravity, you mess with time. beam in the large hadron collider creates 6.5 tera electron volts. Collide the beams and you're at 13 tera electron volts. I can't even begin to describe the level of energy output here. What does this have to do with breaking out of the simulation? Well, just listen to what public health expert Dr. Astrid Stuckleberger had to say about her conversation with certain CERN

physicists. There are beings from portals coming in and out. It's physicists from the CERN who told me this. They've testified to beings coming in and out of portals. Yes. Okay, so that was the weirdest thing I'm including in this video and it's definitely not hard evidence. I've emailed Dr. Stuckleberger. If anyone can get in touch with her, vouch for her character or introduce me, I would welcome it. So, I have no idea if portals are being created by CERN's beam But what about the American particle accelerator, the Cosmotron at Brookhaven

National Labs? Cosmotron was the world's highest energy accelerator before the large hadron collider. Well, apparently there was a UFO crash collected by the lab itself in 1992. It's about 7:00 at night and being November, it was full dark and all of a sudden it was lighter out than it is right now. And what about the plasma orbs that people in and around the NASA space shuttle have described? Or the controlled ball lightning that seemed to show up in Germany from 1942 to 1945

called Foo Fighters. Plasma is the fourth energy state after solids, liquids, and gases. It's what happens when you apply extremely high energy to something. For more on this, look at physicist Ken Shoulders work on exotic vacuum objects. In Ken Wilson's model, an object's plasma state might reflect its true reality more than its lower energy instantiations. So, maybe we get to deeper layers of reality, deeper levels of ontological truth with high energy output. And that's just one way to break out of the simulation. But,

one we should probably be pretty careful with and leave in the hand of experts. Maybe there are other more natural ways out of the simulation we have a bit more personal control over. they walked away thinking they were immortal. This is the fight club of the ancient world. Whatever happened there, no one talked about it under penalty of death. We have no great war, no great depression.

Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives. experiencers experience what's called a life review. And you're basically replaying every single event from your life. But, you're doing it not just on a two-dimensional screen. It's as if you're in a virtual reality or a hologram. So, Dannion

Brinkley called it a holographic panoramic, three-dimensional review of your life. And so, you have to replay every moment. But, what happens is you have to replay it not from your own perspective, but from the perspective of other people in your life. So, he was in the military and actually, you know, killed people during the Vietnam War. He had experienced what it was like to take a bullet from himself. And then he had to see the ripple effects of that guy who died, of his wife and kids. How did this play out? What are

the effects of your actions? And as a computer scientist, as an engineer, the question that I ask first is if it can be replayed like that, it has to be recorded like that. that they are part of a whole. when they hear the word simulation theory is the movie The Matrix, partially inspired by Jean Baudrillard. But the idea that the physical world is

an illusion shielding us from a more primordial unseen realm dates back to antiquity. A lot of ancient traditions have this concept of an illusion, a great illusion, like Maya, that would be the the Hindu version. And um Plato's cave, uh Glaucon talks about a form of meditation or protocol to sort of see beyond the veil. Do you sort of believe in anything like that or I think Plato's cave was the most powerful,

simplest way to show our predicament. you know, that's why we have science. I mean Yeah. That's what Plato wanted us to do. He wanted to then develop science out of that to calibrate the illusion and and then go go outside and then try to see what the reality was that was creating it. So, it is an illusion until you can measure it. And the question is can you? So, if we're stuck in this cave, what do

we do about it? This is the question the mystics faced. In response, they devised various spiritual technologies to enable them to make this celestial ascent to the heavens, typically by inducing altered states of consciousness via sensory deprivation, fasting, isolation, abstinence, meditation, ceremonial ritual, breathing techniques, intense visualization, and sometimes drugs. I think any tradition that makes use of psychedelics, whether they want to or not, are going to make deliberate

Mhm. This is why you can find Buddhist monks in the Himalayas and Jewish rabbis in 13th century Spain both going into isolation at temples and following the same ascetic protocols, as well as reporting very similar mystical protocols of the Jewish Merkava mystics mirror those found in yoga and pranayama in India so closely that modern-day scholars of Jewish Kabbalah are using Indian tantric texts to better

understand their own texts, including the corresponding esoteric symbolic systems. And when the Dalai Lama himself met with a group of Jewish Kabbalists, he was very surprised to find that the Kabbalistic meditations and prayer techniques were strikingly similar to Buddhist meditation techniques. At one point in their conversation, His Holiness interjected to ask the Kabbalists if Jewish angels had colors associated with them. The Kabbalists replied, "Oh, yes. Some are blue and some are orange." The Dalai Lama became

culture, is the idea that one had to break the servitude of soul to the body in order to liberate the spirit. And so if our consciousness, our soul, is kind of contained or filtered by our body, by our brain, that would be consistent with a lot of these mythological stories, that the body is kind of like a container, almost like a prison. Like our soul has like fallen from this in like very rich dynamic the extra multi-dimensional world and we're kind of like stuck here in this like limited fallen world of death.

All across the world, you can find an emphasis on the soul ascending through various levels of heaven. The Book of Enoch and the Merkavah texts of ancient Jewish mystics describe an ascent through seven hekhalot, also called palaces, via the use of breathing techniques, visualization, and mantra-like prayers. Quick side note, just keep the term palaces in mind. They also describe encountering celestial gatekeepers at each level to whom you had to give the proper password or sign to pass. Some of these angelic

gatekeepers were dangerous if passed improperly. This is reflected in the Jewish parable of the parties, where four rabbis attempted celestial ascent and only one came back alive with his sanity intact. The others either died or went insane. Some scholars even believe that the Apostle Paul may have been familiar with these practices and he described his own celestial ascent to the third heaven in the second Corinthians, one in which these angelic gatekeepers gave him a thorn in the flesh. Wasn't Paul

supposedly, according to some scholars, kind of a Kabbalist too? Like he was a in the Merkavah kind of you know, Ezekiel tradition. like it. I mean, you know, I'm not a New Testament scholar, so I don't want to go out on a limb and say for sure, you know, that he was. But, yeah, if you look at his, you know, his conversion, it looks similar to Merkaba, you know, and I do have friends who are New Testament scholars, and they won't come they don't feel comfortable coming out and saying these things, but they'll tell me in secret. They'll say, "Yeah, yeah, you know, Jesus, too, by the way."

And I'm like, "Really? Why don't you write a book about that?" of Acts, he goes up on a cloud. religious texts we have, the ancient Egyptian pyramid texts from 2400 BC, we see the pharaoh's soul is guided by the priests through the seven areet, also called, you guessed it, palaces. Again, with the priests chanting mantra-like prayers and the deceased pharaoh being given the required passwords and amulets to pass safely through the gates of

these seven palaces. In the Mithras liturgy found in Greek magical Papyri, an initiate employs breathing techniques, visualizations, chants, and ceremonial rituals to ascend through the seven heavens. Again, being confronted at each by gatekeeper who had to be supplicated with the proper passwords and signs. And in Islam, there are seven earths and seven heavens. And in Chinese Shangqing Taoism, one again uses breathing techniques, visualizations, mantras, and ceremonial rituals to send

one's soul out of the body and through the heavens. And there are specific incantations and talismans for each level. Compare all of these to near-death experiences and psychedelic experiences like DMT, where people come back from the experience saying that the place they went was more real than real. The pervasiveness of this idea, even amongst drastically different cultures and people with no background in mysticism, strongly indicates that the concepts are downstream of some sort of objective reality.

forgetfulness uh and of veiling across different religions. And then uh you can even see other interesting metaphors like in the Bhagavad Gita, there's a metaphor that uh the soul puts the body or an identity like a series of Mhm. uh garments and then it takes them off just like you would take off certain clothes that you're wearing. Mhm. And it turns out in the Sufi traditions here in Rumi, he's using almost the exact the exact same metaphor, right? He's saying the soul takes on the body, is clothed by the

body. It's like he's putting on clothes. And you start to look at all these different metaphors and then you then you ask yourself, I mean, too often I think scientists will just dismiss these. Not just scientists, even social scientists and religious scholars within academia are trained to just dismiss these as stories. But what if they were telling us something that is actually happening, but they didn't have the language uh necessarily to describe it in a more technical way. Yeah. So, what would they do? They would use metaphors, right? And so they had to use a metaphor that would make sense to

people at that point in history. So, 2,000 years ago, you could easily understand the metaphor of putting on uh a set of clothes, right? Or this idea that the world is an illusion. Yeah. Uh Maya is a term that's used in the Sanskrit and Buddhism and Hinduism as a key part of their cosmology that the physical world isn't real. And so if you look at the term Maya, it actually means something a little more subtle than just illusion. And so one of the things I think we're dealing with is that we're

talking in English and we're translating all these terms, but we don't always capture some of the more subtle meanings that were attached to it. So, Maya is not just illusion, it also means the power of illusion. So, it's the power by which the gods, let's say, uh can make you think this world is real. But it turns out it's even more subtle than that. And someone once described it, I think the best description is he said if you go to a magic show and there's a magician on stage and you know he's not really sawing that woman in half, right? You know it's an

Yeah. But yet you're like, "Oh my god, wow, that's cool." That's the reason you're there to enjoy the show is you actually make the decision to kind of suspend your disbelief uh in order to enjoy the show. Yeah. And so that's the the more subtle Yeah. Exactly. You take the blue pill rather than the red pill, right? You're actually deciding that you will be fooled by this world. Uh and it turns out that concept, you know, it's not just an Eastern concept. It it exists in some of the Judeo-Christian traditions as well. But in the Islamic traditions,

there's actual verses that say, "We have set up this world for you as a game, as a pastime, as a sport." Right? And that it is a uh particular kind of delusion. It uses a particular word, al-gharuri, and it has another word in front of it like mataw, which actually means it's an enjoyable delusion. Like the whole world is an enjoyable delusion. Now, we all know bad things happen in this world. So, why would you know, why would the scriptures be calling it an enjoyable delusion or a

magic show or a game or a lila, the play of the gods, uh which is another one of the Hindu terms that they use. And the the reason is because that's how enjoy is like {quote} unquote, right? When you go to watch a horror show, uh a horror movie, you I mean, you're watching people like hack each other up and doing all these terrible things and you're enjoying it. Why? It's because it's part of the illusion and part of the story. And I think the old metaphors are of a the

world is a dream, the world is an illusion, the world is a stage play are all powerful metaphors. But we live in a time when we have more advanced technology. So, we can use new metaphors that perhaps describe it better. It's like a movie, you have a script, but you can change the script if you want, and there's other people that are in there with you. We're all the actors, but we're also the audience watching ourselves. You basically say we're a massively multiplayer online role-playing video game, right? That is, I think, the best metaphor to date for this

thing called reality that might be too hard to explain in words. It might be with the simulation hypothesis? Cuz I you're obviously, you know, one of the main progenitors of the simulation hypothesis, but you're also very interested in UFOs, and you know a lot of the sort of top thinkers on that

subject as well. Yeah, I spent a lot of time with different folks in the UFO community, and you know, I'm I'm an advisor to the Galileo Project and peripherally involved with the Sol Project as well at Stanford. And, you know, one of the problems is that it seems that UFOs act in such absurd ways that we can't often take it completely seriously, you know, from a scientific point of view, because it doesn't sound always like we're talking about a physical thing. Sometimes it it is a physical thing, and sometimes it isn't. So, Jacques Vallée told me about this

case that really got me thinking, and it was somewhere in like northern California or or or Oregon, you know, where there's there's these tall redwood trees. And he said the witnesses said that the UFO had come down at a 45-degree angle, and he said left some marks on the ground. And so, everybody came and investigated, and then all the other investigators left, but Jacques stayed behind. And he asked them, "Well, you said it came down at a 45-degree angle. But, that would mean it would have had to cut through the redwood trees. I mean these are tall trees.

They're like, "Yeah, it did that, but we didn't want to say that because we would sound crazy if we said that." Right? So, when you have something that's that's cutting through physical matter and then suddenly it becomes more physical, to me that reminded me of either a holographic projection or rendering within a video game. Right? Within a video game, while you're rendering, you can become semi-transparent, you can walk through walls. But then once once you're rendered in the world, you can't go through the wall anymore. You're in like that physical state. And so, it's

Hyperobjects. Empirically, it also just seems like UFOs have access to the information substrate of the universe itself. They can materialize and dematerialize at will and seem to skip across time. They're probably way more concerned with time and timelines than they are specific individuals and their lives. And maybe this whole world even has a thing or two to do with secret UFO government programs. After all, Diana Pasulka's source in her new book Encounters was the daughter of somebody who she thought was in a secret space

program. One thing that will always give me the chills from that account is that her father would constantly refer to the word simulacra at lunch tables with his reality and the only clue we have to it is when some variable is changed. What did you just say? Nothing. Just a little deja vu. Switch, Apoc.

vu is usually a glitch in the matrix. It happens when they change something. Dick that got me thinking along these lines because, you know, he had a famous speech in Metz, France, where he said, "We are living in a computer-programmed reality." And that's the the famous line. But then he said, "And the only clue we have to it is when some variable is changed. Some alteration occurs in our reality." And so basically what he was saying is you can go back and change

the timeline, change the variable and rerun the timeline. And he came to believe that his novel turned into a very uh well-known series called The Man in the High Castle, which was about Germany and Japan winning World War II. He came to believe that was a real timeline, not just something he imagined, right? And he came to believe that the simulators actually decided to rerun another timeline, and they like this timeline better. That this timeline has gone on further. So it gets back to this idea

that not only could there be multiple timelines, but they could be cut off at certain points. And that's what we do in computer science. That's what we do like if an AI is playing a video game against you, it might project forward to see what the best outcomes are, and then it will trim the tree, if you will. He So that it will just go forward. Speaking of Philip K. Dick, I know you're friends with his wife. Yeah. He wrote a another book called The Adjustment Team about like, you know, somebody that a team that has more root access than than we would, if you will.

And they can sort of, you know, mess with timelines, and you know, somebody gets to the office early, and they're sort of, you know, they're they're they're doing their thing and it's a freeze frame. And so, do you think that's possible? Do you think that there are sort of timeline manipulators out there? I think so, you know, Tessa, his wife, she told me that he came up with the idea for that story, which eventually became the movie The Adjustment Bureau, with Matt Damon and Emily Blunt, because he went into the bathroom and there was a light that he had turned on and off many times. Like

he thought it was a like a chain, if you remember the old chains, but it had been replaced with a light switch and so he began to wonder, did somebody change this out while I wasn't here? Because I've I've, you know, turned this light on a hundred times and I know it was a chain and now it's a light switch or the other way around. I forget exactly which way it was, but it was different. Right? And so so that's when he began to wonder about that. And if you listen to that full speech of Philip K. Dick from Metz, France, what he's saying is these uh alterations would occur in our reality,

we would have the sense that we were rerunning the same events. That we were saying the same things. We were experiencing the same things. We would have the same things. We would have a sense of déjà vu. And he said, this is a that so at some point in the past, a variable was changed and the simulation was run forward. And so he ended up using almost the exact same language and I didn't know this when when when I was choosing the term clue on a treasure hunt that says, maybe the future is sending us clues about where we might want to end up. And maybe that's what

UFOs are. It's people from the future sending back or not necessarily people, but entities from the future sending back information about where they want us to go. And maybe there's multiple ones sending us back. So human evolution is almost about being able to pick the best time possible timeline or something. It's like you're you're you're you're optimizing timelines. You're you're improving timelines continuously or Right, right. That that I mean, what if today we we think World War II has happened and this is, you know,

it's a fixed past. And there's going to be a future from here. But what if this is just one run of the simulation, and we're trying to optimize, you know, something? So, what is the optimization function that we're trying to optimize by running multiple timelines that we are the simulators in this case? Uh and it could be that we are doing that all the time. We are basically sensing these multiple futures. And how would we sense these futures if they haven't happened yet? Right, I don't know. Unless they actually have happened as little runs of

a simulation. Exactly. And then that is the difference between a human brain and AI is we sort of have these intuitions with low sample size data or no data. And sometimes it's a totally irrational decision, but it just sort of feels right and it ends up working out. And nobody, you know, we don't have like a neuroscientific model as to how that works. And so, this is a really interesting model. And so, I guess if you were a a human playing this sort of game, are you just trying to look out for what resonates with you and like be in touch

with your instincts or something? Or like because presumably, right, I'm not Laplace's demon, and I I I can't know, at least in my my own little branch of the multiverse or even, you know, block universe, I can't know exactly what decision is going to end up optimally for for me or for the world. And so, do you just have to sort of go with what resonates with you? You have to almost develop that sense for you know, possibly what you've experienced in the future or something. Yeah, I think so. It's like a future memory in a in a sense. You're sensing

what is the best outcome. Now, best is a relative term. Just like earlier I talked about an enjoyable illusion. The world is enjoyable, but enjoyable only in the sense that you're going to have to experience all this stuff. Similarly here, it's possible that as you're playing the game, the way the way we play video games is we have quests. And we choose quests, and certain quests are more difficult than others, right? And it's possible that we end up choosing a very difficult quest. Or a difficult storyline. Could be that we hamstring our character with a physical

Right at the beginning. But maybe that's an indication of a much higher level player than those of us who don't have physical handicaps because now they want to play it in hard mode, right? In difficult mode. So they've cranked up that difficulty level. So I I think we are sensing these futures, and we have to be careful. This is why I think this idea of NPC mode comes into play because sometimes we're just we get so influenced from the people around us, right? I mean, you spent time in Silicon Valley. I spent that time in Silicon Valley, and you start to think differently, you know,

you start to think, "Oh, everyone wants to start the next unicorn, the next billion-dollar company." And that becomes the priority. Whereas if you spend time in New York or Hollywood, you know, you're you're worried about the next film or whatever, but you get so influenced by the environment around you that you start to make decisions based on that rather than an internal intuition. Yeah. And Steven Spielberg, you know, says he teaches his kids that the best intuitions are like whispers. Mhm. But you you in order to to tune into the whisper, you have to tune out all the loud noise all around

you. And so sometimes we're just making decisions based on these this programming that we have. Oh, okay, this job will pay me more than that. Therefore, I'm just going to go with this job. Mhm. Right? But in fact, this other job will be in a place where you won't be stressed out, and maybe that's where you're meant to be. And so I think you have to separate out what I call genuine clues, which could be messages from the future if you take sort of a quantum physics approach. If you're more spiritual or new age, you might say God or guardian angels are sending you these messages. Or you might say it's the adjustment team that's working with you from a Philip K. Dick science

fiction perspective. But one way or another, we we get these intuitions, and I think they are about the experiences that we might have at some point in the is undergoing a constant process of entropy, from order to chaos. This is the second law of thermodynamics, and it cannot be reversed. It is also the basis for chaos theory. Everything changes and everything decays. But if the parapsychology studies I mentioned are

real, maybe consciousness is the only entropy reducer on Earth. Just look at the work of Karl Friston, perhaps the greatest living neuroscientist. Friston's free energy principles say that neurons are attracted to low entropy and order, rather than chaos and randomness. There is even a term coined for the biological attraction to order. It's called syntropy, or the inverse of entropy. Consciousness and intention are likely what makes biology attracted to order, and probably a big driver in evolution.

course, is uh uh Dr. McCarthy at Stanford. Okay. He had the AI AI lab on the on the hill, and he told uh a story. Again, this was when AI was a very, you know, there were only two or three labs that did AI in in the world. his story was uh you know, in in the future you're going on with your job. For example, you're

you're you're selling some you know, insurance or something. You're You're selling something, you fill out the form, and people pay you. And in the evening you you go home, you watch TV with your kids. Okay? And then the next morning you get into your car, you go to the office, and you fill out some forms, and people pay you, and you go home. Okay? And then one day you're going to get a letter from the Bureau of Simulation. The Bureau of Simulation says "Dear sir,

we have observed your daily behavior for the last 6 months. And you have not done anything that was not predicted by the model of the world. We We run a model of the world. And you're in it. something that's not predicted by the you will be replaced by a simulated

tells his wife, you know, I I need to do something, and I need to change my life completely. So, drops out of his job, takes whatever money he has, moves to the Himalayas, starts climbing Mount pains, meditates, does all the things you're supposed to do, you know, and and 6 months later he goes home. A week goes by, and he feels really good. Uh goes back to his job, and and there's a letter that arrives. It's from the Bureau of Simulation that says

"Dear sir, in the last 6 months you still haven't done anything that wasn't predicted by the simulation model, and you have been replaced. doing his job, waking up in the morning, driving his car, and so on, but he doesn't exist anymore. Yeah, he's an NPC. He's a simulated No, yeah. piece of software that does all that.

material things and becoming increasingly obsessed with artificial intelligence and low-level virtual simulations on our phones. As the great Marshall McLuhan once said, "Every media extension of man is an amputation." If our universe is in fact a simulation and world religions and science point to this, we should probably be thinking more about how to break out of it and into a higher realm by contemplating and exercising virtue instead of being obsessed with dropping into lower, more

bit-compressed digital worlds to escape our pain. If we can ascend, maybe we can see ourselves for who we really are and our world for what it truly is. As the great Erwin Schrödinger ended all of his lectures, "Atman equals Brahman." That's our show. Thank you, Riz Virk, for your time and amazing work and to the audience for entertaining this slightly skits-o rant. Until next time, I'm Jesse

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