UFOs, Human Experiments & Rockefeller's Dystopian Health System (ft. Brigham Buhler)

the images of dystopian societies in fiction. From a world where babies are no longer being born and children of men to the use of humanlike artificial intelligence as slaves in a dying world like Bladeunner or the very bleak future of the Matrix, where our entire reality is a managed simulation keeping us docile just so that our bodies can be used for energy. There is an acceptance of the dystopia they survive in. like the proverbial frog sat in slowly

boiling water. And one only need to shift their perspective slightly to realize that the world we are currently living in shares many characteristics of these dystopias. Or at the very least, there exist some extremely worrying trends. Trends that might produce a future where food makes you sick. Going to the doctor can bankrupt your entire family. Social interactions have been reduced into likes and up votes. and you can barely even tell if the person responding to you is AI. We live in a

society where panels of self-appointed quote unquote experts decide what you're allowed to hear, think, and remember. We're told what's real and what isn't. And anything that doesn't fit the script is dismissed. These things are treated not as mysteries to be explored, but as distractions, a punchline of a joke. >> Don't get him too close to me, please. It seems clear that a system has been put in place to deceive us. And this does not end at the limits of what you can see in the sky. This deception reaches down into the fundamental

building blocks of your body, what you eat, why you get sick, and how that disease and treatment is commodified. It's not a wildly outlandish claim to suggest that a blanket similar to the one that has hidden truths about UFOs, non-human intelligences, and physics redefining technologies has also been used to disguise the truth about health. Following this trail leads through many of the same avenues as the hidden history of UFOs, the alliance between secret government programs in big

business, classified breakthroughs in science and medicine, and the code that we have been written on our DNA having cosmic significance. And there is a conspiracy keeping us poisoned, low energy, lonely, and tired, too sick to look up and ask what we are doing here. But is there a way out? The long road to the dystopian health system we now live in and how it has become enforced started at the beginning of the 20th century when the entire landscape was transformed almost single-handedly and

to serve big business interests. John D. Rockefeller already the richest man on earth thanks to Standard Oil now Exon Mobile had a vision to monopolize medicine in the same way that he had oil. Prochemicals were on the rise and synthetic pharmaceuticals that included products derived from oil were a way to patent and own treatments in medicine. It also meant stamping out competition, most notably of natural medicine and therapies that could eat into profits.

It's the same people. This was the start of what we now call big pharma. And the people running this new empire made sure that only one kind of treatment was allowed to exist. Before this, 20 to 30% of doctors in the United States were osteopaths, homeopaths, people that worked with unconventional modalities to heal the human body. In certain cases, these modalities were snake oil. But in others, they worked. They just couldn't scale. But it was never about health. It was about big business and it was about

control. A system of sick care, not health care. A system designed to turn your illness into profit. I sat down with healthcare entrepreneur and founder of Ways to Well, my good friend Bigham Buer to talk about the corporate capture of the American health care system. There's just so much corruption, collusion in corporate capture, and it's all real. It's all real. Like, I've lived it. I've been behind the scenes in the medical establishment. I've literally played a million roles in this space. And that's the only reason I have the knowledge I have of like where the

traps are and where it is set up to set people up for failure. What began as a hostile takeover of natural and holistic medicine by a small group of ultra-wealthy industrialists became the blueprint of how health could be defined, diagnosed, and treated for the next century. As sickness became valuable, and the dehumanization of medicine became a disturbing norm. The Second World War brought with it a wholesale reframing of the human body itself. Humans were turned into experiments, very valuable experiments.

In the leadup to the Second World War, once Imperial Japan had invaded mainland China and Korea, these occupied territories became the field operations of some of the darkest experiments conducted on humans in the 20th century. Unit 731, a secret biological and chemical warfare research and development program under the Imperial Japanese Army, was established in Manuria under the command of General Shiro Ishi. The unit carried out experiments that included vivisection on

live prisoners exposed to extreme temperatures, deliberate infections of plague, calera, and syphilis, as well as weapons testing on live human subjects. One particularly gruesome set of experiments involved locking prisoners in pressure chambers and exposing them to extreme barometric changes to observe how the human body would rupture or collapse. Every grotesque detail was carefully recorded. But perhaps the most disturbing part of Unit 731's legacy is

that those responsible were never held to account. General Shiro Isishi, who oversaw the program, was noticeably absent from the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal. Instead, the biological warfare data gathered by Unit 731 was marked as top secret and quietly handed over to the United States, which was now occupying Japan. In exchange for their research, Ishi and his team were granted full immunity. None of them were ever tried. The research was then used to

advance American biological warfare capabilities in the Cold War. Human suffering had been turned into valuable, usable data. And that same logic was unfolding elsewhere in post-war Germany. Morality was entirely absent in this new era of technological advance in weapons, space, and in medicine. A case in point being the fact that Bayer, now one of the largest pharmaceutical corporations on the planet, was directly involved in the crimes of the Third Reich. You know

what's fascinating is uh Bayer had deep ties with uh the Third Reich. >> I don't know if you know Bayer had deep ties with the Nazi regime and Bayer was a German pharmaceutical manufacturer. There's even uh letters back and forth between Bayer and some of the generals of the Third Reich. And it's like uh the experiments went great as planned. Unfortunately, all 150 women that were shipped to us did not make it through phase one of the trials. we kindly request another 150 Jewish women.

>> So crazy. >> They were literally testing all of their future compounds on, you know, Nazi concentration camp uh folks. And then there's a dark history there if you follow Bayer Monsanto and like through the chain of their history like in and you say, "Oh, well that was World War II. You know, they got they they've got to have evolved as a company." And then you go just back to the 80s where they knowingly shipped a massive amount of hemophilia medications that were infected with HIV into third world

countries. And they have all the records of that where they basically inadvertently contaminated heilophia hemophilia medications with HIV at a time when HIV was a death sentence and then they shipped that into third world countries rather than destroying the lots because they didn't want to lose the money. >> That's so crazy. The dystopian reality of the modern health care system was built on the machinery of death in the military-industrial complex. If war criminals could be pardoned by the US government in exchange for their biological warfare research, it is no

wonder that the pharmaceutical industry has grown into a system of cruelty and dehumanization. And in the search for profits, they are willing to poison the environment, our food, and our bodies while we end up paying for the privilege. If there is one company that demonstrates this above all, it is Monsanto or what used to be Monsanto because in 2018 the infamous agrochemical giant was acquired in a multi-billion dollar deal by Bayer. Truly a match made in hell. The company that thrived under the Third Reich had

acquired the company that was one of the main suppliers of Agent Orange, the chemical defoliant used in Operation Ranchhand during the Vietnam War. An era of comparably dark military history. That corruption continues. That like narrative continues all the way into uh the chemicals that Monsanto was using. They started shipping over to like Vietnam and third world countries that didn't have the regulatory guidelines and oversight and spraying crops with all these chemicals that then started creating birth defects. Uh and then all

the way to Roundup here in the United >> And guess who owns a Roundup now? Bayer. And Bayer will often pay out these large sums of money to get people to shut up. Yep. when it's so obvious and RFK talks about this and you talk about it as well where you have this rise in autoimmune cancer all these issues in 2008 when Roundup was introduced to the broader market and if you look at what Roundup is it's water soluble chemical it's a it's a agent orange water it's basically

agent orange which you know look at what what happened in Cambodia and Vietnam all the people who've had you know birth defects and all sorts of issues due to that and the rush to mass-roduce millions of gallons of Agent Orange, a contaminant emerged. Dioxin, a persistent organic pollutant. It resists breakdown, does not dissolve in water, and accumulates in fat tissue. It causes cancer, birth defects, and even epigenetic mutations, meaning its

effects can be passed down through generations. In the mid1 1980s, Monsanto was required to pay millions in compensation to veterans of war who had been exposed to the highly toxic chemical, although Vietnamese civilians were excluded from the case. But Monsanto continued to thrive. By the end of the 20th century, the company had rebranded itself as a biotech powerhouse. It pioneered genetically modified crops and patented seeds built to withstand heavy use of its flagship

herbicide, Roundup. The active ingredient in Roundup is glyphosate. Glyphosate has been linked to cancer, and it has seeped into the soil, the water, and our bodies. Like dioxin, its long-term consequences may take generations to fully reveal themselves. What we have managed to scrape together about just how much the health industry or military was involved in human shows us that at the end of the day, the general public is seen as a commodity.

You only need to look at MK Ultra or the CIA's official brainwashing program to know how little the secretive organs of power and control cared for people's freedom and health, let alone their sanity. As members of the public were experimented on, many becoming unknowing participants in drugfueled attempts at mind control. Few people suspected that active experiments with behavior control methods went on long after the program was supposedly shut down. In fact, as

the CIA claimed it was winding things down in the 1960s, a new division quietly picked up the work with better funding, better technology, and fewer people asking questions. This group was not just experimenting on hippies in San Francisco anymore. According to John Marx in the search for the manurion candidate, that division was the office of research and development or OARD led by Steven Aldrich. Their focus was not just LSD and hypnosis. It was total

behavioral control. They implanted electrodes in animal brains to control movement remotely. They explored psychoso surgery, memory eraser, and even discussed using reptiles to deliver chemical or biological weapons in covert assassinations. Tests were conducted on inmates at Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia, a full decade after MK Ultra had officially supposedly been shut down. To support this work, members of the OAD created the Scientific

Engineering Institute, a CIA proprietary organization near Boston, which included a rural lab on a several hundred acre farm. One researcher who was questioned about their work, remained tight-lipped, but did concede that they had looked at zapping parts of the brains of crows to control their behavior. And if that was what they admitted to, one wonders what they preferred not to disclose. If you want a full deep dive into this sorted chapter of the CIA, including Project MK

Offen and all of the insanity that went into it, head over to the American Alchemy Substack. We are linking that in the description. But what ties all of this together, the human experiments, the biological experiments, the scenes that sound like something out of Resident Evil, is the fact that the CIA's Scientific Engineering Institute was quietly transitioned into the private sector in the late 1970s. It was rebranded as SURL metadata, a subsidiary of GD SURL, the pharmaceutical company

chaired by none other than Donald Rumsfeld. And in 1985, Rumsfeld helped orchestrate the sale of SURL to our old friends at Monsanto. The point is that the line between covert government operations, human experimentation, and big pharma is very, very blurry. The same questions need to be asked about the simple logistics of all of this. Where are these experiments being done? If some corporation or secret government agency were hiding advanced technology,

how would they do it? It's likely that one of the world's largest and most secretive engineering firms would handle it, building immense underground nuclear weapons complexes or military bases. Becktel would surely be read into the needs for a secure facility for medical experiments or perhaps even keeping alien bodies. I was also told that Monsanto may have historically been involved, most likely dealing with biological specimens. So you talk about corruption in the health care system. Uh

Lou Alzando who you know some people find controversial uh but is this UFO whistleblower. Uh he says that some of the people coming after him are involved in Monsanto and there's this Monsanto Becktell connection from back in the day and they were maybe involved in the UFO alien issue as well. So, and of course, this links back to the UFO question and how all of this was initially set up and >> Well, and even who was there was a documentary, I don't remember which

documentary or which person, but they were saying some of this is stored some of these biologics and different things are stored at different institutions. >> Yeah. Well, >> in the healthc care space like in the right I'm trying to remember. >> Well, what's what's interesting I mean you have little tidbits where you have to take some of the stuff with a grain of salt. think probabilistically. I'm not saying this is definitely true, but you have these majestic 12 document leaks from 1984 to the late 90s and basically invol it involves this secret

committee, this like what Eisenhower was probably calling, you know, the military-industrial complex, but an even more exclusive group initially led by Vanavar Bush under Truman and Eisenhower uh of elite military, scientific, and political personnel governing uh the UFO issue. One of these people on the this committee of 12 is a guy named Detlev Bronc. And Detlev Bronc shows up so much in UFO lore. He's the guy supposedly doing alien autopsies when crashes are recovered at Aztec, maybe at Roswell.

And uh Det Bronc uh is a president of the Rockefeller Foundation and he is also president of John's Hopkins. And John's Hopkins clears I think like $8 billion a year for you know medical research. Nobody knows you know exactly where all that line like you know if Doge were to audit that you might you might come up with some interesting interesting stuff. So what is so dangerous about this dystopian landscape that has been created around us we have become used to the routine. We have been stuck in a loop and eventually just like

how the occasional UFO whistleblower will come forward people who worked inside the healthcare industry will speak out and tell us what is really going on. This begs the question, if we are the frogs slowly boiling in this system over a hundred years of being quietly captured by it, then what kinds of treatments have been taken off the table? What ideas were too cheap, too natural, or too hard to patent? Were there remedies buried because they threatened the system or promising avenues that were blocked from above? I

realize that when I talk about this topic, we run the risk of inviting a lot of criticism. I'm not saying that there have not been charlatans and literal snake oil salesman selling fake hope for profit. All I am saying is that just like in UFO world where you have obvious fake footage, you have institutionalized official narratives, you have people lying and grifting, in the health world there's snake oil, but there's also very likely a group of suppressed real breakthroughs. Fringe discoveries dismissed as quackery. And speaking of quackery, one of the strangest but most

persistent ideas in this limbo of dismissed medical science is the realm of electromagnetic fields and frequencies. Targeted bursts of energy designed to kill microbes, stimulate healing, or restore the body's internal rhythms. It sounds bizarre, but some of the most intriguing and controversial figures of 20th century medicine were working along these invisible lines. Take Royal Raymond Refe, a forgotten genius to some and a pseudoscientific footnote to others. In the 1930s, Reife

claimed to have invented a microscope so powerful it could observe live viruses. This was laughed off as impossible. Refe also believed that pathogens had a mortal oscilly rate, a specific frequency that if broadcast into the body could destroy the invasive virus without harming the surrounding tissue. like an opera singer shattering a wine glass with her voice. He even built a machine he claimed worked on this principle. For a brief time in the mid 1930s, it seemed like he had discovered

something special. A clinic in California was even reportedly treating cancer patients with this device. It sounded like a miracle cure and then nothing. The AMA refused to validate the findings. His lab was raided, colleagues pressured, and the equipment confiscated. By the 1940s, medical science had forgotten this brief experiment, and Refe died poor and discredited. Refe was part of a whole wave of early 20th century inventors exploring similar ideas. From George

Lakovsky's multi-wave oscillators to Tesla coils, violet rays, and later radionic devices that claimed to diagnose illness by tuning in to the body's unique energetic signature. One of the quotes often associated with Nicola Tesla is, "If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration." You can see echoes of his work in some of this mid-century innovation. And perhaps hidden among the papers seized by the US government after

his death were ideas that could have shaken the establishment health industry, ideas that might still be classified by the government. After all, his Bryant Park apartment was raided by the FBI. His files were seized and put in a vault only to be reviewed by MIT professor and the uncle of our sitting president, John Trump. Trump reviewed the Tesla files to see if they could confer any tactical advantage to the United States, but he wasn't necessarily looking at the healing benefits of the inventor's work. To this day, many

people with chronic and autoimmune diseases swear by these electromagnetic healing devices. In fact, many Lyme disease patients say that nothing helps them other than Royal Reich's machine, the Refe machine. Ross Dowet, an esteemed op-ed columnist at the New York Times, actually got Lyme disease and occasionally uses this refe machine. Douet is the opposite of conspiratorial. In fact, he's expressed a lot of skepticism around mainstream UFO narratives. Even I have a modern

derivative of the rife machine. It's called an amp coil. Every body has an electromagnetic frequency. That's not a conspiracy. And electromagnetic fields undoubtedly affect all sorts of things. This book, The Body Electric, which outlines what is now basically established science, shows that the body's bioelectric field dictates morphology. Basically, electromagnetic charges control cell communication and even what limbs grow and where. You know, if you put a a frog embryo in a

Faraday cage, it does not develop normally. And then >> if you can you can change um the a cell gradient of like a a a tadpole where you've severed the the arm of the >> to the cell gradients of the head cells and you can grow, you know, a chimeriic two-headed tadpole. Mhm. >> And so there's something around kind of the electromagnetic field that is orthogonal and maybe even upstream of DNA in terms of morphology. >> Yeah. Cuz I've done experiments too with

uh plant growth around high powerful Wi-Fi routers and that actually >> they don't grow right. It's like pretty it's actually kind of concerning. I think about the Wi-Fi in my house. I'm like, "Oh man, am I like cooking myself slowly or something?" >> Have you heard of a guy named Luke Montineier by any chance? >> No. He discovered the HIV genome and uh he's this French Nobel Prize winner and at the end of his life he was very anti-COVID vaccine and he said that there was like nanotech put in it. I'm not saying that's true but that's that's what he said. But he was also he very

interested in this idea of like um uh aquous nanoructures in the DNA that transmitted information via electromagnetism. And I wonder if we discover something in that in that vein. Speaking of DNA, it was just a few years back when a group of scientists from Japan and NASA actually confirmed something extraordinary. They reanalyzed fragments from three ancient meteorites that had fallen in Canada, the US, and Australia. And they discovered that all

of them gave off the fundamental building blocks needed to form DNA and RNA. This added weight to an old but persistent theory of the beginning of life on Earth. That the spark had not originated here but had arrived here. This is the idea of panspermia. The idea that life's raw ingredients may have been seated across planets by comets, asteroids, or even purposeful design. In fact, the idea of directed panspermia was proposed by Francis Crick who co-discovered DNA's double helix. Crick

believed that DNA was too complex, too elegant, and too precise to have emerged by accident. >> And Crick's view was as a as a leading scientist whose whole life was focused on the study of DNA, >> his life was that DNA could not have emerged accidentally from the primeval soup on this planet in just a 100 million years. It needed much longer >> to He still bought into the prime. What if DNA was not just a molecule, but a kind of cosmic software encoded with

instructions and directed around the galaxy with a purpose? This radical proposal from a very important proponent of modern western science is also echoed in ancient cultures. The recurring motif of two serpents twisting together in a spiral like the cudus, the staff of Hermes in Greek mythology, is still used today as a symbol of medicine. It's almost universal. You see it in Hindu temples, Mesoamerican art, Aboriginal myths, Sumerian glyphs, and in the

Amazon, where shamanic Iwasa rituals often produce visions of serpents spiraling together, reportedly the source of life and knowledge. Snakes that ancient traditions say came from the sky. So, this double helix DNA might have also come from the sky. Could it be that this symbol, serpent spiral, life is more than just a metaphor? Could it be a remnant of some deeper knowledge encoded in myth and memory? Even mainstream science is starting to admit

that DNA may be stranger than we thought. About 98% of the human genome does not code for protein. For years, this was dismissed as junk DNA. Today, we know it plays regulatory and structural roles. But vast stretches of this DNA remain a total mystery. Some researchers have proposed that DNA with its fractal geometry and coiled structure acts like an antenna capable of responding to electromagnetic frequencies. One 2011 study even

described DNA as possessing the two key structural characteristics of fractal antennas. In the 1990s, Russian scientists described something even more bizarre. In their so-called DNA phantom experiments, they observed that after a DNA sample was removed from a container, laser light continued to scatter as if the DNA were still there for hours, sometimes days. The DNA, it seemed, left behind a kind of energetic residue, a

ghostly imprint in space. And then there are the biofotons, weak emissions of light that living cells, including DNA, constantly give off. These emissions are so faint that they are difficult to detect. But researchers have speculated that they might play a role in cellular communication or even consciousness. It is in this liinal space between rigorous science and visionary experience that a new picture begins to emerge. one that

we now know so little about in terms of our current health care system. A picture where DNA is much more than just a molecule. It may in fact be a method of communication either over a million years of time or perhaps over a million light years of space. And if that is the case and we are fundamentally connected to this cosmic message that is crucial for our species to hear, then we are allowing it to be slowly cooked off in the modern world of ultrarocessed foods, drowning this potential signal to a

higher plane of consciousness in sugar and oil. And while the department of energy per the UFO nuclear connection likely holds a lot of secrets when it comes to unidentified flying objects and their reverse engineering, they also conducted the human genome project. So the government agency that might have proof that we are not alone in the universe also might know more about the human genome than any entity on Earth. This should all make you wonder if whoever is truly behind this dystopian

reality of modern health has always had the intention of keeping most of the species docile and disconnected from our full human potential. But I don't want to be a total bummer on this topic. Just like with UFOs, I believe there is hope that these systems can change. With the Make America Healthy Again movement, we've seen massive leaps of progress that would have seemed completely delusional just a few decades ago. Because just like with UFOs, you do have the agency to take steps to disentangle

yourself from the perverse healthcare environment that we are living in. That's exactly what ways to Well is fighting for a sense of human agency and the realization that so much of the chronic disease we live with is a direct result of the ways we've been told to live. I don't think we should give up hope that we can make our lives healthier, clean up our environment, and prevent the diseases that plunge us into debt, steal time from our loved ones, and tether us to prescriptions and treatments that ruin our bodies and

>> It's wild. >> I'm here with now my very good friend, Brigham Beller. Uh, I appreciate you having me, man. We just had the best day ever at Ways to Well, I feel amazing. I did red light therapy, hyperbaric, stem cells, which I've been wanting to try forever and I've heard so many good things about and for whatever reason still has some stigma when it comes to the FDA and I want to talk about that with you. But um yeah, we connected around aliens originally and UFOs cuz that's a deep interest in yours of yours and it's so cool to see all of this just

UFO themed, alien themed, but also you're just helping so many people. So appreciate you. >> Yeah, I'm a huge fan of yours. It's funny how we met because you were going to give that lecture in town. Uh I think the lecture was about it was about the U. UAP phenomenon at a place here in Austin and I saw you were in town and I just messaged you to check in and say, "Hey, would love to connect while you're here and and the rest is history." It's >> I wonder if at some point in the future the health stuff converges with the UFO

stuff and we're able to make progress along those two. I mean, who knows if we make contact with aliens. If if an alien intelligence was, you know, um sophisticated enough to be a cardartesev for scale intelligence and traverse the cosmos, you know, they probably have all sorts of interesting health updates and yeah, things. >> I have all the alien stuff around here just because I think it's fun. And part of why I did it was I want to make healthcare fun and approachable and like but also futuristic. And so like that's why I have the the alien mural of the

alien handing DNA to the girl and then just just the Allen the a AI uh uh healthcare assistant. >> At Ways to Well, we focus on comprehensive hormone optimization with regular monitoring to ensure safety and effectiveness. Uh because to me it's fun and it makes it a little more like out there and quirky like but it's just to me I've always been fascinated by it and I think we don't get the answers to we don't get answers to questions if we don't ask the question. >> Alan, what does Brigham think about >> Brigham doesn't know [ __ ] about aliens,

but I've been studying his ass for years. That loud [ __ ] is always ranting about corporate capture and corruption, but has no [ __ ] clue I've been right here watching him. It's fascinating because there's so many treatments that have been suppressed by this big machine. Like everything you've done today. Literally like almost everything you did today at Waste Well is ignored by mainstream academia in a way, shape or form. Uh red light therapy. So many people go, "Well, how's a light going to help me?" And a guy was

nominated or won a Nobel Prize, I think, or in 1907 or something for his studies in using light therapy to help with recovery. And now there's studies coming out of uh the UK that show that red light three times a week for five minutes can restore degenerative eyesight because red light pierces past the epidermis, gets to the cellular level and refules ATP. And ATP is the energy source of cells. And so we live a lifestyle so much now where we're indoors, we're not in the sunlight. All

of us are starving for more vitamin D, for more sunlight, for more of these things naturally available in nature, but there's so many aspects of health care and and and all of that that have been captured. And the whole principle is they use the tool that's in their tool belt within the insurance framework. It's like what will insurance cover? What is my clinician trained on? And if insurance won't cover it, so in order for you to get accessibility in a generalized market, it's is my clinician even trained on this one? And the answer

is if it's anything that's not part of the tra traditional establishment that goes back to these institutions and these powerhouses that you're talking about. And none of that's in their training design. Neither's nutrition, right? So it's easy to to debunk what they're saying. Like most modern-day medical professionals have zero nutritional training. And we know for a fact food is medicine or food is poison and what you put in your body matters. Why would we not be training our clinicians on the importance of diet, lifestyle, nutrition?

>> The same reason we're not training them on any of these other products or alternatives that can't be patented and >> That's the thing scale. >> I think that's the diff exactly. It's all about can you have scaled money-making enterprises involved in the thing? And if it's red light therapy or if it's something that works with the electromagnetic field of the body or it's a hyperbaric chamber, that's not as good business as let's pop out a bunch of pills and scale that worldwide. And I even said that in front of they they had a senate roundt at the federal level and

uh that's when I testified with RFK in front of the US Senate and my testimony was focused more on the broken system and what I talked about was Eisenhower's speech and that's how I opened my speech to the Senate was Eisenhower has this legendary speech where he talks about the military-industrial complex but there's a second half to that speech that nobody ever talks about. They never mention it where he warns and gives a warning to the American people about what happens if we allow the corporate capture of our scientific industrial

complex. If we allow that machine, the scientific uh academic academic world to be captured by these giant institutions, we will lose the garage tinkerer, the innovator, the creator. We will stifle and suppress innovation in the name of profitability. And that's what we see like you and I were talking off air earlier about the pharmaceutical inst in uh organizations and how they're not really innovating like there's not a huge incentive to innovate. And this is what I've been trying to explain like

between 20 2011 and 2019. Okay. There were 356 blockbuster drugs. What are considered blockbuster drugs? How many of those do you think big pharma innovated? I only know this because we're friends, but zero. >> Yeah, I was I there's a slight They're saying two, possibly two, but it's zero to two. So, for debate, for the sake of debate, so we don't get debunked. Let's say two. That means 354 of the 356

compounds that came out in that time span came from us, from taxpayer dollars. Crazy. >> Like, we funded those research. Even the GLP1s, the weight loss drug, GLP1s were discovered through Gila monsters. There was a scientist watching Gila Monsters and he realized these these lizards don't eat very often and he wondered if they were hungry. And so he began to do research to try and uncover. And what he uncovered is they had an increased level of this compound in their body. Fascinating. And so then he thought,

could we synthesize this and use this to suppress our appetites and let's see if it makes mice and other things not hungry. And so we the taxpayers funded all of this research. Then that research gets bundled up and and and literally licensed off in a package deal to big pharma. Then big pharma takes it after acquiring it for pennies on the dollar even though we the people funded this research and provided this compound and created the innovation. And it's usually not till phase three that a lot of these

compounds get gobbled up from the big pharmaceutical companies when all the risk is really gone. The downside's gone. And then people go, "Well, it cost all this money to get through the FDA." That's by design. That's also by design because guess what? If I'm a multibillion dollar corporation, the best thing I can do is set massive hurdles in the marketplace to any disruptive innovator to be able to come in and compete. Yeah. >> And I go back to Eisenhower's speech where he warned us of this. And then you

go to our academia and you say, "Yeah, but there's checks and balances because we have all these academics." Like you were talking to Dr. White earlier. Dr. White was talking about in his time at Harvard having to beg to get a $50,000 grant. Well, guess where those grants are coming from? Industry. And guess how you get published? Industry. And guess how you get published and get grants? You do what industry tells you. You do what industry asks you to do. and you follow your playbook. >> and if you don't, we're going to cut your funding.

>> And meanwhile, some of the innovation that is going on, like I think about stuff RFK talks about where he talks about Fouchy. He talks about how Fouchi had this dual role for like decades. One was bioweaponry and it was stuff, you know, with the DoD. >> And then one was, you know, NIH. And in 2017, you have uh basically a modification of SARS, you know, that allows it, you know, with the spike protein to bind to human ACE2 receptors through the Ecoalth Alliance submitted

to DARPA. And DARPA, which works on the most dangerous [ __ ] says this is too dangerous for us. and it gets rejected and it gets moved into a Wuhan Institute of Biology which has notoriously bad into a lab specifically with bad safety >> And you have to ask this philosophical question of gain of function research. This like you know idea that we have to look around the corner for the next pathogen before creating the cure for >> But that's all a smoke screen. >> Oh, it's a euphemism for bowarfare

because I always ask when people say they're they're like we have to do this research. I say when at any other point have we ever done gain of function research where we've come up with the cure once we come up with the new pathogen. Never. Now we're we're motivated by a a pandemic that's now killed millions of people. Yeah. >> And we can't come up with a cure for COVID. Why would if it was just in a lab and you had like 12 or 15 or 100 scientists that knew about it? Why would you come up with a cure then? It's fake. >> Sounds pretty conspiratorial.

>> Yeah. Right. Oh, it's crazy. But even what's crazy is even Tulsi Tulsi Gabbard who's one of our most powerful uh like people in our nation today >> was ringing the bell 6 months ago saying >> we have a war in Russia and Ukraine and we literally have boweapon labs >> in the middle of war zones. >> What if somebody hits one of these buildings and releases the next like a true world ender compound into the world? It's a dangerous game of Russian

>> You know, the guy, speaking of co, >> the guy who created uh PCR, polymerase chain reaction, >> is a guy named Carrie Mullis, and he had um an alien experience. He was abducted. >> And so, I just thought that was an interesting kind of connection between this and he was also >> That's wild. >> It is wild. And we can cut >> what what's his abduction story though? I'm curious. I don't remember the exact he like woke up in a shed and he spoke with a being or something and he was yeah he was a surfer and he was very interested I think he might have seen a

UFO as well and he was also very he was skeptical of the HIV narrative. So, >> Brigham, how'd you get into aliens? >> Man, I don't You know what's funny is even as a kid, I was the kid that would like ride my bike to the library and literally like check out the book on Bigfoot and all the I was always fascinated by like the unknown, right? And then I'm at an age now where I don't believe in Bigfoot. I don't believe but the one last thing I don't believe in the log nest all that, you know, there's no evidence that is valid in any of

that. But when you look at this UAP phenomenon in this world and then you look at it even just scientifically and objectively, I'm just like there's so much overwhelming data. You and I have talked about this a ton in private, but just systematically looking at all the different whistleblowers, all of the different data sets of photos and captured and witnesses. It's just such a plethora of data. And then you look at it scientifically. uh like Mishu Kaku talks about like uh

the the propensity or the likelihood of life in the universe is I mean it's statistically probable very high >> and then the question becomes did it reach intelligent life and if it did reach intelligent life then it is is it a level one two or three society and if it is a level two society then it would have the ability to build in space and time and potentially traverse like our our universe and like our like so it starts to get more and more probable the more you work yourself through the mathematic equation but then just the

excitement of it of the great unknown and everything that's happening out there like we don't know anything I look at how little we even know about our own bodies and our own health there was something that came out the other day saying that even at the cellular level >> there are now they're now finding uh DNA almost like a DNA like structure uh even smaller than at smaller and smaller levels of the human anatomy >> like smaller than mitochondrial DNA Yeah. And they're finding tinier and tinier elements. And this was just yesterday I saw it. >> And it's like

>> we really don't understand. >> We don't understand. Well, also DNA itself is so fascinating cuz you have base pairs which are kind of like if you think about binary code like or transistors or something. They're like onoff switches. They get turned on and off by methylation or acetilation. And it's almost like we ourselves maybe are like walking hard drives. Like you could store like a book on DNA and we can get activated by certain things and >> Freaks me out cuz then you go to like what Bob Lazar said that he was given in that file and he doesn't know if it's

real or not. He's just saying what he read but it talks about that we we are >> I want to go back to the religion thing. I want you to say it. >> Oh come on. That's so weird. That the >> I'm not asking you to say what you believe to be a fact. I'm asking you to say what you read in a report that it's a that is distributed at what may be the most top secret facility in the world.

>> All right. I'll just It's so It's so far out. It >> All right. Your objection has been >> What does it say? >> That we're containers. That's how that's how supposedly the aliens look at us. That we are nothing but containers. >> Containers of Maybe containers of souls. You can come up with whatever theory you want. That we're containers. And that's how we're mentioned in the documents. Um that religion was specifically created. So we

have some rules and regulations for the sole purpose and not damaging the >> And people the human nature is immediately to go containers of souls. But my immediate human nature is containers of information and that and then Dr. White like what he was explaining earlier that we we capture. >> Well the biggest thing is that nobody really believes that immortality is possible right so if you can demonstrate it exists in nature then there's somewhere to stop. So when we talk about the jellyfish when we talk about lobsters that don't age you know they have no biological markers of aging they

just keep getting bigger until they die of uh you know exhaustion. Um, but if you can demonstrate that it exists in nature, then all we have to do is really study it and try to figure it out how to apply it to humans. So that's really where I started with the jellyfish is it exists in nature. This isn't just we're not trying to create time travel or anything that breaks the laws of physics. It exists. We just got to try to understand. Is there anything cuz you hear about like tieumirs in the context of like turtles and stuff like is there something about the jellyfish that you

>> they recently sequence the genome so we're understanding a lot more about his biology and Aaron's able to do it because there are species that are very similar but anomaly so if you can sort of you know line them up side by side and see what one jellyfish is doing versus the other we might get some insight but fundamentally species age differently and so we there are things we could probably learn from them, but we may not be able to apply it directly to humans. But what it means for me is that the evidence is out there and in our genome somewhere deep down historically something existed that

>> determine what our lifespan is and we can probably start tinkering with. >> Does the DNA demethylate or >> Right. Well, it does. So for in the case of the the jellyfish, all of the markers of aging in the adult are removed. So they differentiate. They go from a differentiated state to a de differentiated state which is like being a baby again. So they just go from adult to baby back to adult again and a baby >> So and we do that ourselves as well. I always use the analogy of if you take a 40-year-old male and a 40-year-old

>> The eggs that the the woman has, she was born with, right? So they're 40 years old. Same thing with the sperm. And the sperm stem cells are 40 years old. The spermatives are new because he's making new spermatitives all the time. But those two 40-year-old cells when they come together to make a baby, they make a zeroy old cell. >> So those 40-y old cells somehow when they come together in that magic of >> it differentiates it. It removes all the marks and starts from zero again. So you have a baby that lives 80 years, has babies of its own that can live 80 years. So really, we are immortal. We're

just passing our ability to be immortal through the generation. >> So the gam shed the soma. >> We shed the soma. But the gamts are immortal. The DNA in our bodies has been traveling through time for millions of years. Seven million years of human evolution. The same DNA so it's >> and it's the same message. >> We just have such a myopic view of health now. I think what you're doing is preventative uh and it's holistic. But you know right now it's just like you know give give somebody a chemical or

whatever. But all this I think we're going to see a Cambrian explosion of new cool ideas that are holistic like uh working you know you have now you have pulse electromagnetic frequency therapy uh you know and if you were to say 20 years ago you're working with the electromagnet magnetic field of the body the vested interests the institutions would have been like you're crazy what are you talking about you know you belong in jail or something and uh you know that or binaural beats you have the monroe institute doing interesting stuff with consciousness

um you know we're start you know the biology of belief and placebo and like all of that is kind of I think coming back in vogue because this very biochemical materialist reductionist kind of modes that we've been using I think are >> they're being laid bare as just look at life expectancy in the US it's it's we it's topping out and it's going down now so like empirically we need something else and so that's why I love what you're doing because you're at the >> and you're doing stuff That's obviously safe, but it's also just super it's too

>> Yeah. Well, in my mind, it's like common sense, and I and I've said this a million times, but if we're worried about the the escalation of our health care costs, and it's the number one reason for bankruptcy in the country, it's the number one state budgetary item. It's, I think, number one or two budgetary concern for the federal government, and it's growing every year. And we talk about the boom in chronic disease. 1.7 million Americans are dying a year of chronic disease. More than every war we've ever fought. More than

every war we've ever fought is dying every year right here silently. And nobody's talking about it. And here's the wildest part. Most of those diseases are preventable. Almost all of these chronic diseases that are killing us are preventable. So why aren't we preventing them? Because to prevent them, we have to blow up the system. Because the entire system is not built, the framework is not built to get proactive, predictive, and preventative. It is built to monetize chronic disease. It's just the system we're in. You're sick. I

treat the symptom. I give you a pill. I push you out the door. I have six minutes with you on average in this country as a clinician. Six minutes to go through prior history, to assess anything we're doing, to like do a deep dive into what you can't do anything in six minutes. And think about we have this AI renaissance going on right now. We're talking about, you know, chat GPT reasoning and how impressive that is. And it's crazy. All the health data exists in these ridiculous silos and the stuff that is centralized is probably a little dystopian. So it's like what do

you do? And I hope maybe you do something along those lines because if you do have a lot of data along a lot of these different biomarkers, a lot of which aren't even tested for because they're not seen as important or predictive, which is insane because the more data you have, obviously the more predictive something's going to be. That's how chat GBT or LLM work in >> Um, my buddy Cowi said it. He said, uh, >> if you have a fish tank and all the fish are getting sick, you don't blame the fish, you drain the tank. Like if all the fish are getting sick and there's

something in the tank causing the sickness, you drain the tank and you assess the problem and the problem the problem is environmental and that and for us if there is a chronic disease crisis perpetuating this country growing astronomically at a break neck speed. What they're trying to do is blame the American people and go all of a sudden the average American didn't get fatter or lazier than the average Italian, right? And the average Italian is is drinking wine and living that lifestyle and they're living longer than us and they're having less chronic disease than

us. It's because their food in their environment isn't built like the American food and environment. >> Do you think sometimes cuz I look at those blue zones, right? Like you have like Sardinia and you know certain places in Japan, you have Okinawa, you know, and these people live till till over 100 and the diets don't they're off they're clean and they're natural and so that's a huge, you know, they're not having tons of glyphosate, right? like that doesn't work. You know, that doesn't work. But the diets don't actually correlate that much. Often it's like this sense of group usefulness and

community and that's like this really really big thing and then being in touch with nature and and family and all of that. So do you think how do how do you >> I think I think I absolutely think that's spot on and there's even data behind that like it's I can't remember what it's like broken heart syndrome but once one partner passes like partners who have been together forever I think it's like within 18 months is the the statistical probability that the other partner will pass like and so we are interconnected in community or uh what is it Victor Frankle's a man's search

for meaning like he survived that concentration camp and he looked at >> like bigger, stronger men that died. And he asked himself the question like why? Why did I make it and they didn't? And it's cuz he had a purpose. He had a meaning. He had a cause. He had a reason to get up every day and fight for life rather than surrender to death. >> And I think like family, friends, community, being in good like spiritual and mental health, like having the the ability to like build trust in like community is huge. M

>> it's a huge part like our mental health >> like it I think it was uh Dr. Palmer who said this in front of the Senate. He's a another uh shoot I don't want to but I think Dr. Palmer's a Harvard guy as well but he he he's brilliant guy and he was talking about how we have a physical health a mental health crisis perpetuated as a physical health crisis. >> Right. It is intertwined. Our physical health is wrecked but so is our mental health like deaths of despair. right now in America are at an all-time high.

>> Greater than that of the Great >> More people are dying of deaths of despair right now than during the Great >> It's crazy. Well, the Western world seems like it's sort of dying like slowly or something like like you look at Japan and the fertility rates there and then here, you know, in the US they're like barely like at replacement rate. And you know, even the word loneliness is a V is actually a product of the Victorian era. It was used to be oneless and it wasn't even like a concept before that. And in in the UK

they have a you know a minister of loneliness or whatever. That's wild because like we live in this increasingly atomized fragmented society. Obviously social media doesn't help that at all. >> I was going to say even our touch points though are unrealistic, >> right? Because like as you have like social media grows, you may you may know a 100,000 people but how many of those people do you really know? I always ask myself like when I'm stressed or I'm beat down trying to run this these companies and you're under you feel like the walls are closing in, you're dealing

with all these things >> and somebody says something that hurts your feelings. I try to think to myself >> if they're not going to be at the front row of my funeral. >> Why am I worried about you? >> Like you only cuz it's so easy and it's easy to do that with social media. People are so malicious and mean and like just cruel over these media >> and it's easy to let that weigh on you. But the same question, is this person going to be in the front row of my funeral? If not, then [ __ ] them. Like, who cares? Like, it's cuz anyone can be,

you know, mean and malicious over a keyboard, but in person, I find people are much more empathetic. >> And it's this weird buffer. >> It's not that I think people are evil. I feel like these tools have given us a false sense of reality and you don't understand the pain and suffering that you cause other people. >> Totally. It makes total sense. And I think simultaneously, you know, social media is this like annoying surveillance mechanism. You know, it's also, you know, causes all sorts of social distress because you're, you know, if

where like maybe society wasn't ready and that it was like very you know and you you had some issues right with with peptides and stuff. You had a do you have a peptide pharmacy and stuff? >> Yeah. Yeah. No, we have a we have a compounding pharmacy that compounds peptides, but as things have grown, you know, we've the biggest challenge we face is fighting the federal government and the broken establishment. >> And the FDA is so corporately captured. And I'm I'm optimistic that all that's going to change and Dr. Mari who's now the head of the FDA is just an unbelievable human who truly cares about

people and is an advocate for people and is coming from outside the system. And so it's exciting like to see somebody coming from outside that system with the hope and the goal of truly driving change versus what historically has been there is 10 out of the last 11 heads of the FDA have gone to work for big pharma crazy I would rather you know I don't agree with Trump on everything. I don't agree with RFK on everything, but I'd rather somebody who's not a career politician and maybe even in Trump's

case a little narcissistic or whatever come come in there like a bulldozer and get rid of this stuff. In RFK's case, he could be hanging out at Martha's Vineyard right now. Yeah. and instead he was cleaning up the Hudson, you know, river and then he got into the he was he was so ahead of the curve on the health stuff and it was so unpopular when he he uh you know went after when he wrote his book on Fouchy. >> Fouchy was the darling child. >> Yeah. you know, no people forget. Now they think he's evil because it's obvious he did some really messed up

>> you'll come out the other end way better educated and as much of an expert on anybody on these kind of onlogically deep truths which who's an expert? >> Did you see Graham and and Flint Dibble? >> Yeah. Perfect example. >> Yeah. and Flint is academia and Flint is an archaeologist and Flint is trying to debunk and like then what we saw through an open dialogue debate is Flint was misrepresenting facts. Flint was overwhelmingly misrepresenting so many facts and he got exposed for that. Yeah. >> And Graham was the voice of reason in

that situation. >> He even brought up a slide where he got the number of shipwrecks like entirely wrong or something. And I think a that's also analogous to the stuff you're facing too because like there are people who feel called to a thing because of experiences in their life. You had an experience with your brother. >> Uh you yourself were in pharmaceutical sales, medical device sales, and you were like, "Fuck this. This is so >> And then now what you're doing is way more ideological and it's way more you're like tethered to something

higher. It's not like you're like this money grubbing like local meeting today. Yeah. I was just talking to these new pharmacists and I was telling them like this is if you make your >> beacon your your your northstar money. >> Yeah, maybe you'll find money but what to but at what cost? >> If we make our northern star people and helping people and driving change, nobody can stop us. >> Nobody can stop us. Yeah. >> And my gut says we can make a lot of money doing that. like we've done really

well and it's all it's been is making our northern star like driving true change and helping people and every time you have a crossroads and you can choose profits over people. If you choose I think I can't help but think you're going to win and if you don't and you fail at least I can lay my head on my pillow at night and go I did the best I could and I didn't sell out. I didn't become what I was started out fighting against. Yeah, >> because I see what happens when you go

down that path >> and we've seen it. Oh, we're living it. We're living it right now. We've lived it for the last [ __ ] hundred years, >> Well, that's what it's a fight against, I think, at its core, whether it's the UFO thing or the health stuff, it's people who are like, this is the truth. Like, we have to fight for the truth. And then the people on the other side are like,"Well, my local incentive says I have to cover a thing up and I have to make this expedient alliance here and I have to," if you're Fouchy and you're testifying before Congress, you change the definition of gain of function before you get questioned by Rand Paul.

So you say it's not gain of function over and over again ad nauseium >> just condescendingly lying and insulting the intelligence of the American people. Yeah. In a I think criminal way. You're saying that that's not gain of function >> according to the framework and >> So what you're doing is defining away gain of function. You're simply saying it doesn't exist because you changed the definition on the NIH website. This is terrible and you're you're completely trying to escape the idea that we should do something about trying to prevent a

pandemic from leaking from a lab. >> We even see it in in just this in another micro viewpoint of that same thing. testifying in front of the Senate here in Texas, testifying about removing soft drinks and these like candidly toxic foods from our governmental payer programs that provide these to poverty-stricken families. My whole thing was food today should not kill the family tomorrow. That's not nutrition. Like, we have to provide nutritional alternatives to our most uh like

underprivileged communities that are in dire need of help. And instead, you guys are pushing nothing but a bunch of sugar- loaded, ultrarocessed foods onto these individuals. And the American Heart Association, this is the world we live in now, the American Heart Association showed up to testify against us at the original one. Okay? And then because of the ability to spread the word, Joe Rogan and Bert Chryser talked about it on Rogan's podcast. Cali means tweeted about it. It went viral. Guess

who didn't show up to yes to to yesterday's testimony? Who? >> The American Heart Association. Oh my god. And even even uh one of the uh congressw women uh chair uh chair Hole was like, "Look who's not here today." Unbelievable. Somebody wasn't here today. Did anyone else notice that the American Heart Association did not show up today? >> Because it's easy to do dark deeds when you can do them in the dark, hidden from the eye of public scrutiny. >> But in this world, >> Yeah. with open like conversation and

free form like we've we are the media now. What like Elon is saying is true between X and YouTube and podcast. >> You cannot no longer hide in the shadows and push these insidious agendas. And then if you look at why would the American Heart Association be against removing soft drinks, it's because their funding comes from these institutions, from PepsiCo and CocaCola and all of that. And so it all goes back to dollars, not truth. They have lost their

way. They've lost their way. I don't give a [ __ ] if the American Heart Association listens to this. You are criminals, man. You've They've lost their way. They've sold out. And it isn't about helping people. It is about keeping their [ __ ] organization alive and moving things forward. And this is where we're going to expose these people. When people go down that path, this is the world we're in now where there's a free media that allows us to expose it. >> And I think we're going to see a restoration of common sense with that. Like again, Trump for all his issues or

whatever. There's a there's a there was a leaked call between him and RFK. And he's talking on the phone with RFK and he says, "These babies, they're getting like 50 vaccines right when they're born. They're growing all weird and deformed and you know and it sounds like if you were to write this out in a transcript like goooo gaga like 8-year-old like ridiculous talk. >> When you when you feed a baby Robbie uh a vaccination and it's like 38 different vaccines and it looks like it's meant for a horse, not a you know 10 pound or

20 pound baby. It looks like you're giving you should be giving a horse this and you do you ever see the size of it, right? You know, it's this massive and then you see the baby all of a sudden starting to change radically. I've seen it too many times and then you hear that it doesn't have an impact, right? But if you think about just think about it as a human being for a second vaccinating you know giving 50 vaccines to a baby that feels a little excessive and there maybe there should be some efficient frontier

of like yeah some vaccines are good for sure like it's good that we science is good you know but like maybe we should be a little more >> discrim autism rate that came out yesterday the newest autism rate >> isn't it one in 500 kids or something like that >> it was 1 in 12.5 kids in the state of >> Jesus Christ the newest autism rate one in 12.5. What's California doing so much different than the rest of the country? I ask you. >> I don't know. >> Oh, interesting. Interesting. >> Like, you know what I'm saying? With like it's just like this is

>> it it's to a point where you look, I'm not here to say correlation is causation, but correlation is at minimal worth investigation, right? And to say that we're not going to look at these things and to have fought it for this long. It'll be interesting to see what comes out like I I'm nobody's ever really looked. They haven't been looking. And now what do we find when we look? That's the question. >> Yeah. And it's I hope people can just learn to think for themselves with these things where it's like and be empowered to do that. Like with the COVID then I

remember getting I hadn't gotten vaccinated and I got COVID and I I would I was considering getting vaccinated before I got CO but then I got COVID and I had antibodies I had TE-C cell response I had hemoglobin I had all the immune factors and I have all these people around me my family included my liberal LA family being like you need to get vaccinated and I'm thinking in my head you just want to like load me up with spike protein Like like I was trying to describe to them. I was like,

"What about what I have now confers any less immunity?" >> Did you see there? It went viral that leaked video of Fouchy talking about the flu shot >> in the '9s saying you get the flu. >> Get the flu shot if you've had the flu. You have the best form of immunity, natural immunity. >> And then with this, it's like, oh, you're going to you're going to be a mass spreader of CO. It's just all crazy. And this is where people have begun to not trust the establishment. And then the establishment says, "Trust the science. Trust us." >> It's only science if you tell us the

truth. It's only science if you if you let science speak for itself. Yeah. >> If you skew the data and skew the facts, right, there's liars, there's damn >> And then there's statistics. >> Right. That was what Mark Twain said. And it's like, >> if we're going to skew the statistics in favor or eliminate or hide data, that's not science. the CDC didn't come out with any of the all the adverse reaction data was hidden. There was no there weren't collecting any data along those

lines. And then you have these hero these heroes like you know Peter McCulla and Robert Malone all of a sudden saying oh if you're like you know I was I think 28 29 at the time and it's like if you're between 18 and 29 high testosterone you are in the sweet spot of myocarditis. And so all of a sudden my risk factor as somebody who's gotten you know COVID already definitely goes up. It's not it's not you know it's not 0%. Yeah. and uh and nobody's talking about that and uh and so you have to just you know I do

think it's this beautiful thing where information is being disintermediated through these courageous people and hopefully people can just think reasonably for themselves >> or even when you go to food and the argument about food dyes and we were arguing about the dyes and what people don't understand is those dyes are tested at the dosage level of an adult at a weight of a of an adult okay and at a specific amount which is the serving size administered on the label. Okay. Well, if I'm a three year, fouryear-old

child, do I eat the dosage? Do I eat like the serving size of a cup or am I eating a bowl? Okay. Well, now you're eating double that die level in just that one meal. And that's just your cereal. But they didn't check the die in the drink that you're drinking. And then they didn't check the dye in the next meal you eat. And then there is a slow attrition where you're gaining more and more of these the bioavailability of all of these compounds through your diet over time, right? And so it this is what

we were trying to argue is you're building up all of this stuff in a patient population that was never a patient population that you would have ever looked at. And uh I think I think it was somebody just said that like do we need a double placebo control trial to to to decide that it's healthy to jump out of an airplane with a parachute versus without? >> Or do we just take >> the knowledge that life has given us to say it's probably not a good idea to jump out of the [ __ ] plane without a parachute. Well, that's that's why I

look at like >> I think it was Gary that said that >> the glyphosate thing. I'm like if if this is really water soluble, you know, Agent Orange, you have all these environmental toxins for sure now that didn't exist prior and that we've never really thought of in a critical way that seep into your body and Yeah. So, you're doing the Lord's work by >> Yeah. getting this out of all these people. How >> to me it's fun though. Like all this stuff like finding like solving puzzles. It's a puzzle. All this is a puzzle. Like it's fun. Like it like I think

there's solutions to all these problems. It's just looking with a new approach and saying the solution isn't wait for people to get chronically ill. It's not waiting for the car to blow up. Like we don't have to let the car blow. We can change the oil. We can rotate the tires. We can maintain the car to avoid the cataclysmic event that causes this catastrophe. We can avoid the catastrophe. Why are we waiting and >> We shouldn't. We should get proactive, predictive, and preventative. And with large language models, with the ability to capture large data sets, with the

ability to provide patients a life raft from the broken system and allow them to have solventry and autonomy over their health, the average American is not fat and lazy. That's the lie we've been told. The average American is in an environment that is perpetuating chronic disease, that is perpetuating obesity, that is perpetuating metabolic disease and diabetes, which is then leading to all of these issues that are killing so many of us, and we can prevent all of >> What do you think happens with the alien puzzle in the next five or 10 years?

>> Oh man, I'm excited, man. You and I have talked in depth about this. Like, is this it feels like the floodgates are opening, right? the dam is starting to crack and more and more is leaking out. And then again, this media form of like free speech is allowing more and more to get exposed and making it harder and harder to lie to the American people. Like the world is waking up in so many ways. Yeah. >> In so many ways. There's knowledge is power and knowledge is more readily available. And at this point, if you

aren't listening or learning, you're living under a rock. Yeah. Because it's everywhere. There's so much accessibility to learning about this topic if you're fascinated by it. >> I'm always amazed at how much content you consume on the UFO front because you're running a an amazing, you know, uh, massive business and you're somehow like also you're like, "Dude, I'm watching your thing." Or Chris Rand, you're watching his thing. >> I love like yours, Chris Rogan, like anything in that UFO space. if it's you, Chris Rogan, Jeremy Corbel, and George

stay in the know. Uh, and even a lot of the news outlets now are covering this more and more and more. Like who would have ever thought you'd see the day where major media outlets are covering this phenomenon almost on a weekly >> Yeah. You I mean you have Tulsi Gabbard uh you know head of DNI direct director of national intelligence. She in her platform says, "I want to expose information on on UAP UFOs." And I I've spoken to her. I know you've spoken to her. And she seems pretty, you know, kind of kind of woke on the issue. >> Yeah. She definitely seems open,

receptive, open-minded, and uh willing to explore truth. >> Which is that's all I think about everything. Like why would you go into anything with a preconceived notion? That's not that's not inquisitive. Like go in with an open mind. That's one thing I love that Chris Ramsay does on his he'll he'll sit back and and it's great for people who are very like uh immediately skeptical because what he'll say is envision this is like an exercise. This is just a thought exercise. Like I'd ask you to go through

the thought process with me. We're just walking through and methodically looking at these things. I'm not telling you this is right. I'm not. But let's set aside our preconceived notions. come in with open minds and open hearts and see where the information takes us. And if you do that across the spectrum of everything in this UAP world, UFO world, alien, whatever you want to call it, >> there's a plethora of information that starts to get pretty fascinating where you go, man, yeah, >> there is like >> I don't have an answer, >> but I have a lot more questions and I am

definitely a lot less decisive on the topic that the more you learn, the less you know, right? And that's like in life, the more I begin to learn, even in healthcare, the more you think you know and the more you pull at the thread, the more you realize there's a lot a lot of unknown. More unknown than known. Totally. And I with the UFO thing, I think if you start with the foundation, which is there's there's a there there, you know, like there are things in the sky we can't identify that repeatedly show up around our most sensitive nuclear sites. Like that's what I'm I'm most conf I would hang my hat on that

>> and then you can kind of build up from there. Are there secret programs? Have we been reverse engineering things? And you go down obviously in probability as you continue to go in your search. But you build up this kind of self-consistent ontology which is wholly separate from the average person's. And yeah, we might be merging into that ontology over the next, you know, decade or two. And it's uh it's time. It's going to be exciting because I think more and more is going to come out. You know better than I do. But I just think there's there's such a thirst for knowledge right now and there's such a

free form of discussion that with that it's going to come more and more truth and more and more transparency. Uh and then even discoveries like discovery after discovery after discovery, you know, and our ability to see what else is out there and our ability to have high-res images of other planets and our ability to gain soil samples and just knowledge is power. >> Yes. If if you were talking to somebody out there who's struggling with some chronic health issue or some, you know, something they don't quite understand, maybe they're going to a primary care

doctor that's just giving them kind of conventional answers, treatments, you know, take some Tylenol, some ibuprofen, some, you know, pro proton pump inhibitor, you know, whatever. Treat the surface level thing with some, you know, >> What would you recommend to them? I think if you I I mean I've said this. If you eat the average American diet and you go to the average American doctor, don't be surprised when you get diagnosed with the average American chronic disease. If you really truly care about your health, take solventry

and autonomy over your health. Understand that nobody's going to do it for you. You've got to take yourself out of the rat race. And it doesn't have to be wasted. Well, there's hundreds of clinics, if not thousands, throughout the country that are doing proactive predictive medicine using blood blood work, algorithm based medicine to drive health span and go do a deep dive one >> You save the money, spend a little bit of money to see to get a a glimpse into what health care could be. >> If you weren't caught in that ecosystem.

>> Well, it's so wild to me. They call it functional health like it's some exotic beast, you know, some like, you know, weird esoteric thing that's like hard to understand. It's just more biomarkers. It's just more data. Like like like obviously you're going to want more in in what other industry would say you're building, you know, I would just call it airplane. Yeah. It's called the existing system sick care. This is healthare. rather than managing chronic disease because if we're really truthful about what the existing ecosystem is, it is

built to manage chronic disease, not >> to manage. Y >> and so if you want to prevent chronic you've got to take yourself out of that and put yourself in a health care system. And a true health care system is going to get proactive and predicted by looking at your biomarkers and assessing it. The cancer that you develop in your 40s manifested in his 30s. The diabetes that you develop in your 30s manifested in your in your 20s, right? Chronic disease has leading indicators and we

can see those indicators and the more diagnostic sets we have, the deeper diet we can do and the more we can project and prevent. So like a DEXA scan tells us your visceral fat, your subcutaneous fat, how much body fat you're storing. You combine that with a V2 max. Now, we know your lung capacity, your heart health, your overall cardiovascular conditioning. Combine that and layer it with biomarkers, and we've got over 70 biomarkers that tell us where you're at at the biological level, which is a snapshot of you in time. Now, combine

that with multiple biomarkers. Now, tie that into a wearable. Now, monitor your deep sleep, your rim sleep, your heart rate variability. Put all these data sets together and allow large language models like Allen to assess that. Now cross reference that across a large patient population of healthy individuals, not sick individuals. And right and the other problem with the biomarkers in the primary care space is they're comparing you to that sick fish >> You're being compared against a a a a tank of sick fish of other chronically ill on four or more prescription

medicine Americans. That is not a healthy patient population. So, we narrow all those tolerances to where you would have been as a healthy 20-year-old prior to this chronic disease crisis, and our biomarker test is narrowed to that niche. And so, I have a buddy who's in Florida, and he called me. He's like, "You're going to love this, man. I brought my blood work into my primary care." And I showed him, and he goes, "These tolerances are this is ridiculous. This is way too strict. Like, they're they're way this is you're not low on this, you're not high on that, you're not this, you're not okay.

>> Listen to that guy and see where you go." Yeah. or listen to us and see where you go. >> Well, they're treating you at the failure mode margins of these things where when they get like seriously in the red, it's like too late. Yes. Like what can you say? >> And so if you can, you know, manage these things ahead of time, predict them, see around the corner, obviously you'd want to do that. How do you if you're, you know, somebody in the audience and you're kind of you're watching, you know, Gary Breck on a podcast and he's like, "It's all reduces down to gene breaks which cause nutrient deficiencies or you then you hear Brian

Johnson on the next podcast and he goes, it's polyphenol rich olive oil and I'm taking 120 things." How do you navigate this new space of having a lot of because some of these people are really pushing the frontier of this stuff and you have Huberman obviously um but like it's a lot to make sense of so like do you need to get tested basically and do something individualized or like how do you navigate >> the health podcast here? I mean there's a lot there's a lot to digest even for me there's a lot to digest and there's areas that get more aggressive and more

fringe and then there's bread and butter and so if we look at what the difference is between a healthy happy centinarian and somebody dies at the average American life expectancy the difference is the onset of chronic disease and so let's just distill this down to simple basic X's and O's blocking and tackling okay so your goal is to live to be a healthy happy centinarian where you could play with your grandkids in your 80s and 90s and you're not in a bed for the last decade of your life, then we've got to start

with preventing the onset of chronic disease because the difference between somebody dying at 70 something years old and somebody living to that access or that point is the onset of chronic disease. That's the big difference. So if we can delay the onset of chronic disease, then we can indirectly if we can extend health span, we can indirectly drive lifespan. And my message to everyone is I don't have all the answers, but I do know if we can drive health span, we can extend lifespan. And if we can drive hell span longer and delay chronic disease, we can

buy time for brilliant minds like Dr. White to come up with the next major invention, the next major life-changing, lifealtering, worldchanging idea. And I recommend we buy time, right? We buy time through getting proactive and predictive. Again, I know I sound like a broken record, but it's like >> we start in your 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s monitoring all these things. >> Now, we're approaching the decade of decline, your 40s. It's known as the decade of decline. In your 40s, the

average man ages 12 years biologically. The average woman ages 17 years >> Why? It's because there's a precipitous decline in all of our hormones. There's also a precipitous decline in all of these bioavailable uh necessary building blocks that we were talking about with Dr. White, right? Everything begins to diminish. If we can bring all those levels up to normal and maintain those levels at an optimal biological level into your 40s,

50s, and 60s, we can indirectly stave off the decline. And what do I mean? Can we keep your lean muscle mass? Can we keep your visceral fat down? Can we keep your uh bone mineral density high? Can we keep all those things? Because for a woman who's petite over the age of 65, one of her biggest risk factors is a bone fracture. >> Right. And so we are proactively monitoring your bone mineral density with a dexa. We know what your average bone mineral density decline will be if

you have your hormones decline. But if we keep your hormones optimal and we treat and get proactive and predictive, we can prevent that bone mineral density decline or slow it and then at well some point in the future hopefully reverse it, right? And so that's my thing. I know it it's a very complicated way of getting predictive and looking out for these things we can stave off the things that are going to kill us and we can buy ourselves enough time for really really smart people to innovate and come up with new cutting edge modalities cures

uh whatever it may be there's so many cutting edge things that are going to come out especially with large language models with artificial intelligence with crisper with all the things that these guy I mean we're bringing back direwolves like imagine what we can do with humanity in the decades to come if we can keep you healthy. >> Well, it feels like on the, you know, if you have a Maslo's hierarchy of needs, but for humanity, bring back a direwolf would be at the very very top. And then this stuff is just so fundamental. I even say it to, you know, all my friends in the >> Maha movement like you, the the Make

America Healthy Again thing, I'm always like, it's it's the most important. It's it's way more important. The UFO thing is such a luxury, you know, compared to how you feel every day. And so I hope I I love that vision and I hope Ways to Well continues to push it the frontier as far as actual treatments, but also making this stuff accessible to people cuz I know that's part of the vision, just making it as uh as scaled as possible, but in a responsible way and where the incentives are aligned between uh patient and practitioner. So I'm

excited to see where you go. >> I'm pumped. I'm excited for the future. I'm telling you, we're just getting started. There's so many things that we're working on that I'm excited about and uh and we'll do we'll have to have you come back in and check it out so you can see. But I'm so ready. I'm so ready and uh yeah, man. I appreciate everything you've done. I feel so I feel great even today and uh let's see let's see in six weeks. >> Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for trusting us and coming in, man. >> Oh, no. No. I mean, thank you for having me, man. It's It's been awesome and

everybody here is so cool and uh couldn't recommend it enough. >> I love it.