“We Found A UFO At The Bottom Of The Baltic Sea!” -Treasure Hunter Dennis Asberg (Early Release)

>> I have never seen anything [music] like that before. Not have my colleagues >> Electromagnetic anomalies are rampant around it. It breaks down GPS, subc rovers, drones >> and then when we have used the AOV, the ROV stops working. >> You lost GPS very close to to the >> Oh my god. >> We have video of smoke coming out of the water above the object as if it's fuming or emitting gas.

>> And then you see like it's from this hole this milk is going >> and out >> like it was >> something is moving. Yes. Breathing. >> Almost like a biological organism or >> But it doesn't stop there. It was literally struck by lightning. an occurrence often considered a high watermark for its unlikeliness. We also have video of NATO ships encircling this object and tracking Dennis's Ocean X crew in the middle of the Baltic Sea.

>> We had a meeting at the headquarter in Stockholm. I said to one of the people there, "Have you been there? Have you dive on it?" And he just looked at me, "No, no, no, no. We have not been there." But yeah, I'm filming you. I have filmed you. So I know you have been there. Nothing. It don't say anything. >> You'll get to see the full extent of what we found at the end of this video. Whether this is an ancient sacred temple, a crashed unidentified flying object, or an unidentified submersible

object, whatever this thing is, it's definitively weird. And like the object under the mesa at Skinwalker Ranch, it seems to have a life of its own. So without further ado, sit back, relax, and prepare to take a deep dive into the abyss with this week's amazing Swedish alchemist, Dennis Asp. different activities. >> But you know that, don't you? [music]

of the epicenter between Finland and the Baltic Sea anomaly, and it just feels like we're in the middle of the ocean. To be honest, it doesn't feel any different than anywhere unfortunately threw up.

taken the seasickness [music] medication, which is probably pretty the remote um operated vehicle uh and we can see what it sees. Although visibility will be low, so you can only see maybe max maybe a foot in front of it. And then we're also [music] going to be doing some sonar scanning and uh try to get a better understanding of the 3D

structure that we're looking at with the Baltic Sea anomalies. >> And how deep is the object? >> 90 m. >> 90 m. you have. When did you start to get into treasure hunting and exploring all these unknown things in the ocean? um exploring and have been interesting in history and all that thing have been since I was a kid. Uh something I grew up with with my parents because they

were also interesting in that area to find out things and and search for things that nobody else have found. So it's a natural thing. I have you know grown up in a family that works not works but have an interest in that field. M. >> was your father an explorer or? >> No, he was a diver, but he have other job also, but he was a diver also. >> Okay. Yeah. >> And did you grow up, you know, reading about explorers? >> Yeah, that was the Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Reading um uh history books of

course and and uh fiction also and um go into these things with the treasures and shipwrecks that have disappeared with interesting cargo. So that have been interesting for me and you know that have always been the interest for me. >> What was the first shipwreck you went looking for? >> When I really go into commercial diving and in that area was uh for I mean it must be uh 15 20 years ago. uh and was

together with uh Pet Limbury, my friend, and we did exploration in Baltic Sea and we found Rex with liquor, >> cognac and wine and different type of things. Booze ships. That's the money. That's uh >> the booze are still valuable. >> Yeah, of course. Of course. >> And it's still drinkable. And >> yeah, some bottles are still drinkable. We um we found also one of the oldest wine in the world from 1600.

>> Oh my god. >> And cognac on its way to this Russian >> uh drinkable. And we have tried it also Peter and I and was very strong. >> Unbelievable. What's uh some of the more interesting shipwrecks that you found or may maybe one in particular that you remember that has a story attached to >> except the Baltic Sea anomaly. >> Except the Baltic Sea anomaly. We're building up to that. Oh, there it's it's many but I must say but one very interesting uh wreck we found was 2015

we found the Russian SARS submarine SO. >> Yeah. Building US 1904. >> Oh my god. >> And uh the Russian SAR bought it and used it in the war against Japan. >> And uh it was out on a and on a mission in in the Swedish water. Should not be in the Swedish water, but it was. >> Uh, and uh, was a collision between a Swedish uh, cargo ship and this submarine. So, the periscope went off and 18 man down the bottom.

>> How do you what sensors do you use to locate an object? >> Uh, it's very easy. It's a size scan sonar. It's a sonar that look down 2D 2D image you get, >> of it. Uh so and then we use ROV and of course we have dive on it also. >> What's ROV? >> ARO remote operating robot you know >> little subc. >> Yeah exactly. >> So that we have used and uh after that we did dives on it also to really

identify it and see if it's was that submarine we have we thought it was. >> So interesting. And so when you find these shipwrecks, you know, uh, with cognac and wine and that sort of thing, is this your business? Do you then go out and sell that? >> Oh, I wish. I wish I wish, you know, >> or do you have finances? >> No, we have we have, as you know, we had a situation here as we have in other countries in the whole world with the and and also the the the war and lots of

things are going on. So have not been easy. Uh so we tried to sell this uh wine and cognac and things on the market and the interest was zero. >> No, nobody was interesting to me. >> No way. No. >> That's why you said you drank it. >> Yeah. Myself at home now instead. No. Um no no. So it have been very difficult because we have spent lots of time and money on this project because we believe this is can this is can finance our other projects. >> But the interest have been weak very

weak. when it's come to that. >> So, do you ever are you ever able to sell or make a business out of, you know, some of the stuff you find or is it mostly just for passion or for >> No. No. I mean, in that case, when it's talking about the the bottles of champagne and cognac and and wine and things like that, uh, of course, we have it and, uh, hopefully we're going to sell it in the future, but but I don't I, you know, I want to have lots of money for it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So uh but that is something I I don't think about so much

>> Should invite myself over for a drink. >> You can get the drink of course. >> Tell us about the Baltic Sea anomaly. >> The Baltic Sea Anomaly. Yeah. >> What is it? >> Wow. Good question. The Baltic Sea anomaly. Okay. It begins like this. We were out on a mission uh this time to find a rack, special rack with champagne on it. Uh we were out for uh almost a week and then we have problems with the boat is beginning to leak and we almost sunk with the boat. So it was very scary but

we we managed to come to the harbor in Finland to repair the boat and uh we have been out for one week then and then we decide to go out to a new area and search there with the sides scan sona to see if we find this special wreck. area. Uh we were quite tired I must say after one week and then we had all the

problems with the boat the leaking and so on. So we were tired and disappointed. We have not find the wreck yet. But now we're going to search in a new area and hopefully we're going to find it. Was a night time. I think it's 1 or two at night. Me and Peter and uh our friend Flores, we are sitting in front of the the the screen and we have the sides scan sonar in the water and there we see a brick and there we see something there and then this thing popping up on the

screen. This huge thing. I mean we're talking about 60 m and diameter and it's round and you have this track at the bottom. So I remember Peting Peter laughing and oh Dennis you know UFO and I was what then we began really to look at it and um it was so odd and nobody else have seen anything like that before anything like that and it round potholes

you can see of course mines and things from the second world war but in this case we're talking about the big thing 60 m in diameter. So it's 3,000 square m round thing in the middle of the ocean. >> 3,000 square m. >> So huge. >> Yeah, it's huge. >> And nobody had ever seen anything like it. And it was it was round. It was like a circular. >> Yes. Round. And then we have these corridors. You have angles 90° angles and so on. So

>> So it looked like a artificial structure. Basically, >> this looks like that. We went home then after we had done this with the size owner and we go deeper into look at this uh data we have on it and uh Peter and I were sitting in front of computer measuring you know that okay what is possible can it be that or construction from the military time or from the world war and and so on cannot be any things like that and then um we talked to friends in the same area as we are in US

Australia and and Europe and uh show them the pictures and they said no we have never seen anything like that. What have you found? Uh where did you find this? And no no no no we don't say anything about that. So then uh after one week or something we don't get get any help. uh I decide and or we decide and to go out public with it because I I want to have somebody can say what it is because we we have experience of course when it's come to

exploring and shipwrecks and we have never seen anything but perhaps somebody have seen something like that. So I talked to a journalist here in Stockholm, Express is a big newspaper. Uh and um I went there with my laptop and showed them the data and they you know they was very they were very surprised about that and and then I I explained for them the purpose. We were out there was we searching for that and that wreck and then we found this instead. So they were oh wow. And then

then they're sending up me to the office and I talk to the manager or chief there. Uh and um then I understand that they are interesting to public go out with this >> and uh I said okay do it. Hopefully we find somebody that can uh help us with this because I we don't know. We don't know and we have friends that don't even know about it. So uh

uh that was the start of something crazy. [laughter] Yeah, it was because I was never in the spotlight before. >> And uh in one I mean the first week was in the Swedish news and then Scandinavian news and then after that week after it was international news >> and my phone is ringing all the time day and night, day and night and I turn turn it off sometimes because I I was so tired. So I I talk about the same thing like over and over and over with all the

>> and I say the same thing. I find something I don't know what it is. I don't know but it's odd. It's strange. It's unique. >> We have never seen anything like that. >> And the size is odd and the right angle. How many right angle uh you know >> No, it's it's plenty of them. It's a it's a big uh object. And then you have corridors with angles and you have also holes in it. A hole with like 2 m in diameter with a frame around it. >> And and also >> when you say corridors like like

>> Yeah. You have a corridor and you have walls, flat walls. >> Totally flat. >> It's like almost >> and then you have 90° angles like that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um I don't think I'm not sure that's what we try to figure out now. Can the nature create this? I don't know. >> But it's so odd. >> Doesn't look like coral or any sort of rock that you would see on the sea. And you must be familiar as somebody who has probably traversed a lot of the world and looked at the ocean floor for a lot

of your life. >> And I'm sure a lot of the people working with you at the time as well. >> Yeah. Yeah. So it's no it's uh very very strange and um not only that it's looks odd and strange. We have been out there a couple of times and every time we have been out there we have problems with our >> What what just happened to the boat?

>> You were close to >> to the object. Oh my god. >> The radar uh showing things that should not are not there. Mhm. >> So one time we are there and the radar is working properly but then something popping up on the radar and and uh I remember Peter said to me that Dennis I look at the screen and I look what okay and I go out and we are alone here but

should be something 150 m from us nothing there. And then another position position another position. >> How big are the objects showing up on the radar? No, you cannot see how big it is on the radar, but you you see something object. Yeah. >> And then when we have used the AOV, uh the the ROV start stops working. >> Yep. And when we have dive on it, the camera stops working, the light stops >> So there must be some sort of >> probably. And the GPS function is not

working properly either >> really. So there's maybe magnetic anomalies as well where >> Yeah, that's what I think. Every time we are there, even now in June when we were out, we have the same problem. >> Equipment malfunction every time. >> Yes. And >> you got to go down in a fair day cage or >> Yeah. So that was um very strange also that we have these problems. And uh we were out again now this um and um with another ship, Stockholm University's own

>> with their own equipment, not mine >> that's perfect. And it's uh much better equipment I that I have. >> That's old things. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But uh so we were out and I remember I talked to the crew and also Tumas the captain on board and manager for him all the experience we have out there with all the the equipment stopped working and all the stuff you know GPS and so on. And then we're quite close. And Thomas said to me, "Okay, let's start." Then we we

begin with a multi-beam. So we get the 3D image of the object. >> Perfect weather, good conditions for >> And then we go over the object and Thomas said to me, "Dennis, we have problems with the GPS function." And I look at him like, "Are you joking with me?" "No, Dennis, we have problems with >> with the GPS." Yes. >> Do you used to have problems with Nope. >> What happened with the GPS? >> It's not working. Lost connection.

and it's dark black. >> Dark gray almost black. >> Interesting. So he touched it. >> Yeah, of course. >> And when he touched it and >> he tried to take samples also did not manage that either. >> Too hard. >> Too hard. >> Interesting. Mhm. >> And when he touched it, did he feel anything or notice anything? >> That I don't know. No, he did not mention anything about that. I But he he said it's very odd. >> And he have never seen anything like that before. And then one for thing I remember when he's coming up, he said to

me that the temperature usually at that depth is uh around 4 to 5° C. >> Now it's most almost zero. M >> that you know is not possible. >> Uh so almost zero degrees >> almost freezing. >> So it's alarming is in his equipment. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he must have been very cold.

and when you're down there you have the sediment and you get like milky the waters get milky as you understand. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dusty. >> Yeah. Dusty. And then you see like it's from this hole. This milk is go in. >> And out and in and out. >> Like it was >> something is moving. Yes. Breathing. >> Almost like a biological organism or >> But it was hard. >> Too hard to get a sample from. >> You cannot. >> Perhaps if you drill a core drilling or

>> But there's there's a hole where where sand is coming in and out. >> That's so fascinating. If all these anomalies that you've experienced, >> Do they increase when you get closer to the object? So, I guess the way you would instantiate that it would be like if you had the ROV or if you had maybe a compass and you were getting closer. Does it get more intense the closer you get? The anomalies get more intense the >> that Yeah, we have problems with

equipment the closer we get. >> And it's and it's a clear rate of uh acceleration or increase of the >> Oh, wow. >> So, it really feels like it's a source >> I forgot something. It's important. 2019 we were out and um I I know we were out in Finland. I did a diving work there and uh we had some friends there that we have done expedition expeditions with before uh and uh I remember their laugh you know

Finnish guys you know Dennis you're yuking and you know you don't believe in that and it's a stone you have found. They said to me, "Yeah, of course, preps is a stone, but still it's unique. You have not seen anything like No, no, that's right, Dennis. [laughter] So, next next time we're going out, can you come along then with your equipment?" >> Okay. Okay. He said, >> "And uh then after a couple of months, I I said to them that we're going to go out now on a on a mission. You want to

come along with your equipment, your AOV and everything?" So they come to Sweden and go out with the ship and um Peter and I just uh you know checking what they're doing their equipment and coming to the spot and they go down with the AOV and he's sitting there and and the first thing when he coming down there is okay this is uh this is uh strange this must be man-made this is constructed.

>> and I just what what did I hear and I looked at Peter and he said yeah >> so even the skeptics when you bring them to see it firsthand >> they understand directly was something for sure that we have found some that is odd. And um uh yeah, >> and you you must be familiar given that you have an interest in UFOs with the fact that you have electromagnetic anomalies occurring in many UFO sightings and cases. Even Close

uh in Japan next to the Fukushima prefrure there nuclear civilian grid you always have these geomagnetic anomalies hustled in you have you know magnetic anomalies as well. >> Um so that that is a common theme in UFOs. Yeah, I remember what he said also uh when we he was down with the ARV this Finnish guy and he said it looks like a power line. It's something very something like a power line. We don't

close we can go, but we have seen this growing now for a while. weather phenomen thunder and and lots of things just on the spot. >> That's fascinating. I I forgot lots of things when I'm talking to you, but lots of things have happened out there. >> Thunder on the spot.

>> Yeah. Exactly. >> And it like the the the does the lightning hit the water? >> So it's like a conductor or something. >> It's true. It's true. >> Oh my god. >> We have filmed that also. >> You filmed that? Oh, this is amazing. >> This is the most exciting thing ever. So now all the all the things together that you know you cannot let it go >> you must >> that's why I have fight for this for so long time >> I mean if you just list the anomalies you have biological material in a dead

>> you have right you know right angle >> you have an object that's 180 m so it's very big you have it's hard you see that's detached from the seafloor you have electromagnetic anomalies that it's causing then you have thunder condu ducting hitting it. >> I think that's extremely. And then you have a team of people who have been diving for each for decades, >> all having tons of data points and they've never seen anything like it. So I think that's very worthy of

>> And so some people might be wondering because it's you described it as a round >> but it also had right angles, you know, and right angle corners and stuff. How does that work exactly? It's not a flat, you know, disc as many perhaps thinks. It's a quite rough surface around it. >> And then you have this corridors and >> So, and and it's uh not round in the corners. It's rough. It's perhaps it's >> Have been there for a while.

>> So, the circumference is 180 m. But if you look at from upside, it's round, but still it's >> there's some jagged right angles and stuff and right angles in a way where it's not just >> a little sliver or whatever. It's like longer right angles that imply artificial construction. >> Fascinating, man. >> Yeah, it is for sure.

have done a all the things about Baltic Sea? Remote view. >> Oh, have they? >> When we were in Sweden, I called Joseph >> and Angela Ford and they helped us with this. So, we should ah do we I don't have reception, right? Or do I? >> No, no, we don't have any connection. >> I was going to say I could I could easily call them. Well, what did they say? What do the remote viewers say? Oh, that is constructive and it's u some have said it made of gold. >> Yeah. It's a some kind of energy source.

>> For energy source for what? >> I don't know. >> So, which remote viewers say this? >> There are lots of it. I have I can send you the link. >> Oh, yeah. But >> I'm going to write. But the cool thing is also when the Finnish guy or colleague from Finland was here, he mentioned, okay, this is manmade. This must be constructed. >> And I and it looks like it's a high and I high voltage.

So that's like a something that put out high voltage >> like a power. >> Who said that? >> The Finnish guy. Wow. >> And I have it on tape also. >> That's amazing. >> I have it on tape. We have film >> Oh my god. And um the the meteor that >> Uh the day after we went home. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's crazy. Also, >> what's the story there? >> Oh, you know, I did not see it, but it

was on the news and that happened on >> Yeah. like one or two times per year. >> A meteor impacts Earth one or two times per year. Yeah. And the day after that >> And so so you went out here. I >> was here. Exactly. On the way home. On my way home. The day after. >> What year were you here? >> Oh, this in June. >> Oh, in June. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, uh it was in the news that the big met over and over here.

energy generator. >> Yeah. So, I wonder >> perhaps it's a connection. I don't know. >> Never know, >> but we will find out. And so, how do you get to the bottom of something like this? Like, what do you what steps do you even take to figure out what this is? >> Yeah. You know I'm a explorer and a

treasure hunter. I'm quite good at that when it's come to to find things and when it's come to this with find out what this is is some you know that's why I have this you log and uh people from the university that helps me >> and they have open the doors for me and and I have one person that I must you know she's wonderful and that's Beatatric Varel >> that the person that opened the doors for me >> before that I mean for 15 years I have tried to get attention. People get

opened the doors. She had the keys. So, the scientists we are working with now are very excited and and have been out there now with us. So, we're going to go out again because it's unique. They have never seen anything like that either. >> That's great. And these are guys with experience of underwater objects and ocean objects and that sort of thing. They all say they've never seen anything like this. >> And you made a video recently that went kind of viral on Twitter where you say,

you know, I've seen some really amazing things with the Baltic Sea anomaly. You know, we're going to talk about this soon. Is there anything you can speak to about about that? Like what you found in this last trip? Because you just went out there, right? Like not too out there. It's uh so interesting that we must go out again with the scientist because I >> I I I I trust them. >> I trust them because I have no experience when it come to that. So if they saying Dennis this is this is interesting. We have not seen anything like that. We must go out again and take

more measurements and and test that and that and that with different type of instruments and so on. When they are saying that I get woo. Did you pick up anything in this last trip or detect anything new that was exciting? >> Not pick up anything. We have new data. >> That's what I can say. >> And uh anything about the new data or >> I I'm a little careful to to go out with the new data now. Uh it looks like it's separated from the bottom. That's what I can say.

>> Separated from the bottom of the That's amazing. It's not a geological >> We we I don't know. It looks sounds like it's not. >> I must be a little careful though. So, but uh yeah, it's u I don't know. >> It's so fascinating. >> And so what do you what's the next step after this? It's more testing or >> Yeah, of course. It's lots of things we must do. It's of course to go out again and take core samples not from the object as I understand it because that's quite difficult. So but if we succeed

this time to get more data that are very interesting of course we must go out again uh and take core sample but that that equipment is quite expensive >> so core sample >> take from the object >> from the object so this would be like drilling into it almost >> and that that's not easy >> yeah and it cost lots of money so um but I hope it's so interesting that we do a core drilling >> yeah did has Anybody thought to stick their hand in the hole that's breathing in it?

>> Believe me. Yeah, many. And even I uh >> But you haven't done it. >> No, no, no. We have not done it. I mean, it's a risk. We don't know. >> It's a risk for sure. >> But uh as uh Beatatric and I have talked, we have talked about that perhaps we're going to use the AOV, >> the smaller ARV to go in. Yeah. We have this big hole. >> Like 2 m in diameter. >> Yeah. I mean the ROVs cost lots of money but perhaps it's worth >> Does the ROV have like night vision? Can it correct for it's must be dark down

>> No, you don't see anything really even if you have the the you must have a sonar on it. >> Okay. So you put the sonar on the >> Yeah, I have a sonar on the ROV. So I see everything around it >> and it's an side scan sonar. So you end up with a 2D. >> No, no, it's not a sidecan sonar. Sidescan sonar is something you have between be behind your boat or ship. >> When you try to find anything, then you have a blue U sonar on the AOV. >> Uh there you can see a front like a picture in the front in front of you.

>> There you have no visibility there. You can see anyway. Okay. >> It's like a radar. >> Okay. It's like radar. Interesting. So you basic basically get the structural >> Yeah. Of course, you can see small details also, >> but you can't see optical, right? You don't see an image. >> No, the there depends. If you're lucky, you can see perhaps a 30 or 50 cm in front of you. >> But then you have Yeah, it's it's difficult. It is. Yeah. >> That is fascinating. >> Yeah, it is >> so interesting. >> When you started to talk to the press

about this even back, you know, years Why do you think like military or aerospace or I don't know anybody didn't want to check it out themselves? Like authorities they did. How do you know they >> they were lurking around in the waters when we were there? >> How do you know? >> I filmed it. >> How do you know they were authorities? Were they Swedish authorities? >> NATO. It's NATO. These were French and Germany, American, British ships around

>> Yep. And then also a Swedish um coast corvette uh go quite close to us. >> Suddenly we saw in the distance that this must be some [music] kind of navy ship heading directly on us. >> 85 90 big >> turned out to be a Navy ship and actually a Swedish one and it shouldn't be uh lurking around in in in those

and we were going in a search pattern and they were uh in our way >> and we called up on the radio and said, "We have divers in the water. Please move." And they did, but still they were >> It's crazy. >> Yeah. And then we have airplanes. So all >> How many How many did you film? >> Six, seven ships. >> Wow. Big ships. >> So, you think they were there for you? It was not It's not normal to see them all there. >> No, no, no, no. It's not normal. I don't

know. I mean, >> but how many how many other dives have you done where you're looking for cognac and wine where you've seen six or seven ships from various different NATO >> Not many, I must say. But when we have dive on the submarine, we found 2015, of course, we have the >> the Navy and the Coast Guard was there and boarding us. and you don't want to investigate what we are doing and so on and what's >> so that sounds like a similar [clears throat] thing because it's a n it's a government it's it's of interest to the government in this case the Russian government

talk with and so on. So it's um yeah but every time we were have been out in the Baltic Sea except now >> except now this time nobody >> Why do you think that is? The ship we're using owned by the government, the Swedish government. >> Ah, so they get the data no matter what. >> I don't know. Probably. >> Interesting. May maybe somebody on board is working on their behalf. [laughter] >> I hope not.

so uh uh what do you know about the whole have you been there have you dive on it uh And he just looked at me. No, no, no, no. We have not been there. But yeah, I'm filming you. I have filmed you. So I know you have been there. Nothing. He don't say anything. >> So they have been there and probably will dive there also. >> They probably dive down there. >> Of course. >> But they might also not know what's down there. They might know. >> No, no, no. They of course they have dived there. >> But do you think they know what what it

is? Do you think they've classified the object or classified it in terms of they know what they're looking at or >> I mean that's crazy if they have not done that. I mean but but still you know the the the crazy thing is also it's not on international it's on international water but it's also on Finnish intern economic zone. >> It's not on Swedish water Finnish economic zone. M so this little strange that the Swedish uh military ship are there and also other ships but you know

I don't know but they have been there and probably dive on it or use AOV and investigate it themselves >> but uh when we were were at the headquarter and talked to them they said >> uh we know nothing about it we have had no ships there and >> did you but you >> I filmed it >> you filmed it you have evidence When you went to the military headquarters, was it explicitly a meeting around the Baltic Sea anomaly? >> And they called you in. >> So, okay. They definitely had an

interest at least. >> Of course, they were interested. >> But then they acted like they knew nothing. They had never gone out there. >> And we show all the data, all the information from from them and for for them. And then uh Yeah. >> Is it Is it a Russian? Is it a Russian >> I see a chip on it. >> you see a chip. [laughter] >> Well, you're a long way from home, my

that you've experienced [music] around the Baltic Sea anomaly? the first time we saw it. >> that was experience because we have never seen anything like that before.

>> Yeah. So we were very confused and of I mean uh curious of what what it can And then after that we have done our things down there and um PF had been down there as a diver and explained for me what happened down there and what he had experienced with the temperature and all the angles and walls and uh holes and things like that. So when you see it

yourself on photos or film then you begin to understand this must be in some way constructed. >> Have any skeptics come to you and said I think it's a rock. Have any of >> all of that. And what do you say to >> Perhaps you're right. I I'm not sure. >> The only thing I can say I have no experience when it's come to that. Uh I have never seen anything like that before. not have my colleagues either.

So nobody have seen thing like 60 m in that was the first thing we did to send it over to our friends and people that we know are working with the same things as we do. Uh and when they saw the pictures they of course they were curious and wonder why where have we find this found this >> as I mentioned but have the the Baltic >> Do you have a top theory as to what it

>> It can be something that is constructed on the spot can be >> long time ago perhaps before the ice >> I don't know. And that's why I have never give up when it's come to this because I want to know >> even if it's a rock >> but a very strange rock. >> I must say with all the angles and holes and and it's a round object. It's also separated from the bottom. >> M it's separated. How do you know that

it's separated? >> Uh subbottom profiling have you done? >> Yeah. So we can see the layers. >> M. Wow. >> Amazing. That's really incredible that it's definitely separated from the So, it is an OB. It's not a geological >> It looks the data say that. >> That's amazing. What's it called? Sub >> subbottom profiling. >> Sub bottom profiling. And what do you know how that tech works? [music] >> Yeah, it's like a radar. You go down to the ground and you see all the layers and the sediment. >> So, we know it's attached to the seabed,

but it's not it's not >> it's not a part of a mountain or >> It's not a geological formation. not part of the >> the data set. >> That's pretty amazing. So, it's an >> That's why is it important so important that we doing this investigation continue with it? >> With uh different methods because it's um it's of course interesting. [music] felt for me. I was uh having a hard time

melting it. I had a [music] hard time melting it. I was talking to my friend >> I was sitting there. [laughter] >> I just spoke to your colleague that you mentioned, Beatatric Voreal, who is amazing and discovered all sorts of very cool things in her own right. She talked about the importance of having a hypothesis and having an idea of what you might be looking at so you can test against that hypothesis. Yeah, >> I mean I've seen some astronomers suggesting that you should just look without any hypothesis and do like classify things like you're

classifying butterflies. I think you're not going to find anything. >> Well, obviously >> because because you have no hypothesis, you don't target your experiment. >> And you are going to invest years into that and you might have a great classific like great catalog of things. But I'm not interested in the catalog. I don't know really what to think about that and it's something for sure and and if it is a UAP or a crashed UFO should be cool if you have found that of course but at the

same time with all the data we have now it cannot be volcano even if it's can be volcano but when I talk to scientists and I look at it now it's not a volcano no it should not be like that then he said metra asterid or matri and something. No, it should not be that. Then you have this and this and this. Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. Why? Why can't it be an asteroid or something? >> Then you have a crater, >> And no crater here. >> Oh, no. It's standing up.

>> It's standing up as if it's an artificial structure on >> laying on the bottom. >> And how big is it again? >> 60 m in diameter. 60 m. >> 60 m. >> Yes, that's big. >> It's very big. Yeah. >> That's so interesting. So, >> So, your two top hypotheses are that it's either a UFO, >> maybe something we're not alone, maybe something from space, >> or you think maybe it's an artificial structure that was built before the younger dest,

you know, there was probably flooding. There was flooding. We know meltwater pulse 1B in 9600 BC. Yeah, >> before that, you know, you had water levels were different and maybe this was on land and it was built at that time. >> Can be like that. Yeah. >> something is built there. >> Either one is very interesting. It's >> And you're reasonably confident that it's detached. The the object is not part of >> a big or something. Yeah. Now, as we can

see it now, the data we have from the last mission or where we were out, uh, it looks like it's separated from the bottom on the data, but you know, we're going to go out again and do it one more time. That's how we must do it. >> Did the diver that you mentioned before, who I think it was >> Stefan Hogborn. Yeah. >> He touched it. >> Did he say it felt like anything? >> No, not really. He he was surprised it was dark under it.

>> it was gray like um um gray when it the the sand um and then it take that away and it was dark almost black gray black. >> Did he say it looks natural or >> No, nothing about that. Didn't mention anything about that. >> Interesting. Yeah. >> Did he mention feeling anything being around it like oh my god this is >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He have um he have never ever and this is he have been

diving for a long long time. He's well known in Sweden when it come to diving. >> How many years has he been diving? >> Since he was a young guy. >> But anyway, he's uh >> how old is he now? >> Same age. 60. >> Since me. So um and then um >> so 40 years probably of >> probably more but >> still you know he he uh he said to me that um when he was up because he was um

I saw in his face he was face and and I was of course curious what have you seen Mhm. And then he said to me, "Dennis, I I you know, I have dived a lot and and I have never ever seen anything like this." >> That was probably the most important dive I've ever done in my life. And I've done maybe 6,000 dives in in my life.

I would dive for an expert to tell me what I've seen. >> Wow. Yeah. And then he explained for me about the hole. He explained about the temperature and he was brushing off the sand, the sediment. It was dark under it and uh he tried to take samples from it was too hard. So he take samples that loose samples on it instead like loose >> Uhhuh. And where did those stones have you tested those? >> Yeah, we tested in Israel. And are those stones did they come back normal or

uh they found minerals of course and not nothing that really sticks out and bas basalt uh volcanic stones they found but at the same time when I've talked to the the people the scientists they say you will never find any any basalt in the Baltic Sea because you don't have any volcano. M >> but then they said that probably if you have found it it's coming at the ice you

know the end of the ice age >> it's melting period >> it's coming from the Atlanta uh and be in the Baltic but I I I don't know I don't know >> so it's almost like a when you look at an ice core sample >> and you can kind of uh see what carbon levels were in the sediment the ice or something. This might be a record that it was an ancient structure that was built from a long time ago. The fact that there's even basalt there.

>> Is that kind of what you're >> That's a very interesting test we're going to do. We're going to do a core drilling not at the object but around the object now and even it's this track and see if we see any layers. >> Ah, smart. >> So that's important to see how I mean how long has been there. >> Have you brought a geer counter down or measured radioactive? >> This time we're going to do it. You will? Yeah. It's amazing. >> This is so fascinating. What do you do you want this to be a contribution to humanity or what what do you want for for this?

>> Um the truth. >> The truth. Yeah. >> That's the only thing. And even if it's a rock or big rock, I I wanted to come out because I want to do like sheck. I have done this now. I'm can go further with my other projects. >> Are there any other rocks with corridors and right angle? Not only that, as I mentioned with corridors and holes and things, the I forgot one thing very important. I have a like a triangle

like this. >> With a hole in it. >> A triangle >> with a hole in it. >> With a hole. How big is a triangle? >> Like uh 15 cm, 20 cm. Like that. >> With a hole in it. >> Yeah. The hole. >> Like a perfect round circle. Yeah. almost as if it was like laser cut or >> perfect on the object >> any writing I assume not no inscription >> you know it's as I mentioned we have we were lucky when we found this on a on a

>> um but you know it's a big object and visibility down there as I said is very you know it's pitch black >> and uh it's difficult to see things >> uh but uh we saw that and probably we will find more next time we're coming >> That's so fascinating. Before the Baltic Sea anomaly, were you interested in UFOs at all? Did you have any interest in unidentified flying objects, space, aliens, anything like that? >> Okay, let's go back in time then. Uh I

have talked about this before and I can do it again because that was that was something that changed my life totally. Uh back in 1996 I live outside of Stockholm, not far from here. Um >> very close to a military installation and I was an entrepreneur, explorer, entrepreneur. I have my businesses and and doing lots of things. I was a >> u daddy to two boys >> uh and um I have a wife and and uh a

good life, perfect life. And the only thing when it's come to UAPs and UFO I saw Star Wars ETSs and um aliens that was the only thing I no no no interest in when it come to I did not think about it you know >> I was busy in my world >> so anyway that thing that changed my mind totally was 96 uh in the summer in the early summer uh I laying in my bed in the apartment uh not far far from

this military installation. I have a big window in front of me. I wake up um 3:30 something in the morning. Usually I sleep a long time. you know the I used the time for sleeping at that time because I'm working a lot >> but this morning I wake up of some >> I still today don't understand really I have thought about it of course but uh >> I wake up uh laying in my bed for 10 minutes and I decided to go up and drink water in the kitchen.

So I sitting in the bed, I have a big window in front of me and outside the window I have this military installation fua it's called uh in Swedish town. So I'm sitting there in my bed and and look out at the window and um see something should not be there and it's take me a couple of seconds to really understand that I have something in front of me that should not be there. Should not be there. What is it? >> Yeah, good question. And and then I'm

getting frustrated. You know, when you see something that not fit, you know, it's not should not be there. That >> I get to use I begin to use my f-words and try to get my wife's attention because she's sleeping behind me. I want her to see that also because it's >> So, you're making a little scene. >> Yeah. And and and then stand up and turn around and look at her to what you know and she look at me

scared because I mean that's not Dennis. >> I'm a quite cool guy. So >> and this in the in the early morning so then I turn around and look again in the wind out to the window >> and it's still there. It's still there. And then I begin to understand this is something very very odd and strange I have in front of me. And then the thing happens that when you see it like this, it looks like a hot dog >> and it's brown. It's yellow and the

sunlight is um it's reflecting on it and then it's going like this. >> It's dark under it. And then I see it's >> Before I don't see it round, >> then I see it round. M >> and then after one second one and a half second it's >> So what shape is it? >> It's round. It's round. But if you see it like this you don't see it >> as round but when it do like this it's >> Interesting. Yeah. >> So you just saw it uh it looked like a flat plane because you were looking at

it from the side >> like a hot dog or a cigar or something. >> Some sort of long line. Yeah. Which is a common people's tic tac cigars. And then it turned and you saw that it was round. >> And then it popped off. And how long did you see it for? >> 14 15 seconds. >> How far away from you standing in front of the window? >> One and a half kilometers. One to one and a half kilome. >> Wow. So it must have been a pretty big >> Yeah. It was a big It was not as I mentioned to many people, it's not what it was not a bird on the window.

>> And not a bird or it was something very very strange. >> It's amazing that you woke up at that time. Yeah. >> Was it around the military installation? >> Was uh on over the military >> And does the military installation house any sort of nuclear stuff? I guess there's no nuclear in Sweden or >> there there's there's nuclear energycraft and stuff. >> No, no, no. Plutonium and lots of other things. the nuclear things they work

with there because I did I did my investigation because I was you know >> wow I have seen something now I must figure out what it is I try must try to find out >> if I can find any information regarding this what I have seen if anybody else have seen it so local papers at that time 96 we had Alta Vista >> you know and modm you put your phone >> and then you call no broadband at that >> internet service provider mode Yeah. So was um uh local paper military sites and

also my friend in the military I talked to nobody nobody have seen it or heard anything about it. >> So uh then uh I contacted a uh UFO Sweden. >> Uh you have talked to one of those thing guys I think. >> Class. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. So this is like the official investig [clears throat] civilian investigation UFO. >> So I I mailed them but I did not get any receive okay anything back.

>> So that was a shock for me and that was something that changed my belief totally >> totally before that nothing at all. So, I remember when I saw this thing, I I I got my I got her attention, but she did not come up and saw it. Anyway, it's flowing over my uh house and then I run over the bed over her to come to the other side and I standing

there like, "What? Where is it? Where is it?" And I see don't see anything. And then she's coming and then what's wrong? What's wrong? I don't know. I have seen something. And then after that, my two kids are coming. Papa, papa, what's wrong? And I'm this morning, we're sitting eating breakfast. And and I try to in my best way to explain for them what I have seen. And later that day, we go down to this area. It's a protected area. It's a military installation. So, we cannot go in. But anyway, I go there because I I I

have reference. I saw that there was one part of it and there was how big is it and then I began to okay must be like 6 700 m in diameter. >> So talking about the big thing. >> So um yeah that's what happened to me in >> That's amazing. And you looked into it and you realized that the military installation that site does like >> enrichment. Yeah. Yeah. And that seems to be a huge pattern as I'm sure you're

>> after a while I did begin to understand that's the reason perhaps they are >> Yeah. Other plutonium enrichment sites in the US Savannah River site South Carolina or Hanford Washington. >> There are a lot of UFO sightings over both. In fact, one of the earliest sightings was over Hanford plutonium site in 1945. This pilot named Bud Clem. >> So it's that's a very common thing. >> Uh Wow. That's amazing. >> Yeah, that was something that um begin I

mean that there were there was that was the time that I begin to think about okay we are not alone something are >> So you started to get interested in the >> Yeah. Yeah. Very interesting. >> Did you started to read about the topic? >> Of course. Yeah. I try to find out if somebody else have found seen anything like that. I look at pictures and and um because we did not have YouTube and things at that time 96 >> but then I saw pictures and no no nothing like that and nothing like that

and nothing like that. I I uh I really tried my best to find out if somebody have take a picture of it or something. just became obsessed and I had a like a kind of a prestigious job in finance or

whatever and I was like I all I can spend time on is this >> and so I Yeah, >> that changed your life. Totally. >> Definitely changed my life. have experienced and lots of other people I've talked to that have experienced they have changed their life to life totally. >> And uh not only their life only their family's life because you get you you be another person. >> Yes. Yeah. >> It it opens you up spiritually too. And

I think I think I was nihilistic before and I didn't believe in higher things you know. >> Me too. I was like totally focused on my you know myself and my family and >> my carrier my business and everything what I'm doing and then that happened that >> really changed me. >> Yeah that's beautiful. >> Yeah the meaning of life >> begin to think about >> who are we >> who are them

>> why are they here [music] >> and so on and so on you know. That's why it's so important for me and I know for you and lots of other people >> You cannot just leave your back or just walk away from you cannot do that because you have it your whole life in

speaking to us is through [music] the discoveries, you know, it's like their >> Perhaps they don't want to just give it to us. The they want us to find it. >> I think that's right. It's every [music] every story is like that, you know, King Arthur, you know, any anything. [music] It's always you have to search. "Oh, well, Dennis was already interested

in UFOs and you know, he's he's just biased because he already had this in his mind when he saw this object." >> Yeah. As I mentioned, 96 that changed my life and I am explorer. I have been an explorer since I was a kid. Really? I'm a curious guy. I'm always been interesting find things that nobody else have found and and of course make money on it so I can pay my bills and and do new you know expeditions and things like that. So uh and then we found this thing

and they can believe what they I mean it's my it's my uh it's my life. I have always been like that and and yes sorry if they feel like that but this is my reality. This is something I have gone through and I have found something for sure that is very interesting and I'm open with it. Everything I do I'm open with it. It's the same thing with shipwrecks. I'm doing that because I know lots of people

as I was and when I was a kid I was curious. I look at TV and things and books and and I know lots of people around the world are very curious about >> You know, I'm a treasure hunter. >> And uh then I found this thing and the same thing there. I'm open with it. And then I have seen something >> 96 that convinced me. I'm open have always been like that. >> Say you take a core sample, you bring a geer counter. >> Yeah. You observe much more the next

time, your next visit, and you actually get conclusive proof that this is an anomalous object, not from Earth. >> What next? >> Talk about it. Show the whole world about the truth about it. That's how I >> And uh that's how we together be at and I work. We we want to be open with everything. We u even if it's a stone or a comet, whatever it is, I must be open

with it. >> Are you familiar with the history in Scandinavia of specifically waterborne UFOs or UFOs that hit the water, specifically the ghost rocket anomalies in the 40s, for example, >> never landed on land or crashed on land. They always hit the water and stuff. >> Yeah. you know since I was out with the information 96 then then I found it 2011 but 96 no I was not out with the information but since 2011 I have

>> I mean so much mails >> from people around the world and even here in Sweden with they're talking about they have seen cigars they have you know crashed in the water in forest and and things like that and they want to uh talk to me and and You know, lots of people have contacted me >> and I I wish I can clone myself and uh you know, do it's so many people. >> you know who Matthew Brown is? >> Yeah. So he's this recent whistleblower

to purpose. Uh so, you know, if they're only making it for a specific use case scenario, they'll design it to excel in that mission. >> And this is getting into very speculative territory, but there's a UFO whistleblower on 4chan, you know, this one of these kind of dark internet forums or whatever. and he said he was sick and you know he didn't have much time left and it was time for him to reveal the truth. And he says that uh

basically these these UFOs are built to spec. They're made for specific purposes and they're on the ocean floor. >> And so I wonder if this was an object with all these, you know, kind of intricate corridors and holes and 90° >> that was maybe built to spec for some specific purpose. and then maybe it served its purpose and it was disposed of or you know who knows >> who knows I I don't know but that will hopefully we will find out when it's come to this and and uh since 2011 I

book called The Silent War >> and they talk about all sorts of covert operations in the US of finding things on the seafloor and uh there are rumors that the the Glowmore Explorer for Hughes Corporation was maybe you know subc. M >> to to find sort of objects like this. So I think there's a long history of crash retrievables, you know, in the ocean. >> And uh it's fascinating.

like touch on the like the bal lake. Do you know the story of like >> Soviet divers going down to like look for something and they get petra like they meet these tall tall human maybe >> uh interesting. >> When was that >> in ' 80s tomb >> Yeah cuz it's a it's a big story in UFO >> Of just like these soldiers like >> Where was that? In the lake or >> Yeah. Lake Bal. >> There's also there's another story similar in Hawaii. >> Um this guy David Noble White Crow cuz he's a he's Indian guy.

>> He was a UFO witness but then he was stationed somewhere with this guy who apparently dove on an object in Hawaii. And the idea was maybe it was related to the uh uh Starfish Prime test series. So the Marshall Islands, you know, atomic tests or whatever where UFO material was supposedly came out of the sky. You know, I interviewed a guy Herald Malgm who basically on his deathbed said that he held in his hands UFO material from

itself was like breathing and it was organic and he didn't know why he was this kind of, >> you know, in intelligence circles often they say, "Go find a thing. You don't know what you're looking for." And so he apparently looked at the object when he was down there and it really shocked him. He became it was ontologically completely shocking. He was like, "What am I seeing?" And it was because it it looked organic and it was like >> So and then I think about the hole with the the sand.

>> Yeah. You're saying something very interesting because when we did our samples there from u >> uh we take from not from the object but from that laying on of the object uh it was organic burned material. >> Organic burned. >> Whoa. So like >> but you know I'm not the specialist in that area but it it was it was that >> so it was like charred like >> no something have high temperature very

high temperature and it's like basalt as you know >> and then when it's um uh cooling down the layers on it when you scrapping it or take the test was biologic >> how' you know >> the side I mean >> it was biological >> yeah they test it >> to contain DNA and stuff >> now that I No. >> Okay. But it was >> When you say biological plant or animal >> can be. I don't know. >> Some sort of tissue or something. >> I don't know. >> It's fascinating. >> Nothing. It's dead sea.

>> So, no. But this had biological >> So, normally you would never find biological material in this area. >> No. No. No. No. >> That's fascinating. >> Yeah. Not out there in the middle of the Baltic Sea. But nothing we can say that's more descriptive than biological material or >> not a specific animal or specific Okay. >> So, but hopefully this time when we go out, we're going to take more samples. cord drilling as I mentioned for you, but we're going to take uh hopefully we

can take something from the the object, but if not, we take new samples from different spots around it and even on it >> and do our investigation and you know, look at it. >> Amazing. Well, Godspeed, man. I'm very excited to see what you find. I think it's very cool what you're doing. And uh do you think I mean do you believe that you'll succeed in figuring out what this object is? >> Yeah, you do 100%. >> Uh even if it's a stone or um volcano or

whatever it is, we will find out. I don't give up. We must have answer now to what it is >> that but but they have been a tough time 15 years and gray hairs and uh struggling with this to convince people to get into this and now we have the right people involved in this project and um I'm so glad for that and uh >> but it have been a tough time with threats and people that want to hurt me or my family and so it's have been tough

also. I'm sorry, man. >> In many ways, >> any any specific threats that you can talk about? >> H not really, but you know, you get males and and uh like threatening me and my kids and and uh lots of things like >> to uh make me to stop or >> they literally say stop looking for the Baltic Sea anomaly. >> No, we know what your kids are. We know what what kindergarten they are at. Now we're talking about my youngest kids.

Now they are teenagers and but at that time they work in the kind were in the kindergarten and school and and they said that we know about your son there and daughter there and that and I was what the you know >> and uh be careful about that blah blah blah blah. I still have the males left you know you do. >> Yeah. And lots of it. And then uh people that think I'm open the door to hell. >> Like you're opening a gateway to hell. >> Gateway to hell. So I'm the going to

blame me on, you know. So it was tough. And then to to if you have a wife, you know, family, and I must be open with everything. If there's threat threating me and my family, I must be open the best. >> Yeah. And that's was very tough for them to accept that. and and uh and they did not really accept it and it was tough for me. I mean Dennis what have you done? Don't put this put us in the in this situation you know and and

was tough but they they have uh you know supported me and uh this uh because it's important they know that's important for me. uh and now we are here uh 2025 and we are out again and hopefully we have an answer this year what we have found and uh but even if it's a stone or whatever it is I will continue to work in in this area to find out are we alone

or and we are not alone but who are they where they coming from what's the purpose and so on. >> Yeah. So that that is something uh very important for me. >> Well, I think if the people mailing you didn't think it was real, they wouldn't be so viferous and aggressive in everything they're saying. It's implying an insecurity that they actually think the thing is real. If they think they thought that you were obsessed with a volcanic rock for 15 years, they wouldn't be threatening anything.

>> No, no, no. we all on the the crew, everybody on the ship and also as I mentioned the Finnish guys and and u we have been out there and it's the reason we are going out uh many times have been out there not for a stone I mean we have seen something that have um you know make us >> do you uh plan to document what you find throughout so that you can I think think

it's important maybe for just uh as a defense for yourself to show the process as you're finding things so nobody can kind of deny that you because you have you know evidence that you're doing it as you're doing it. Yeah, we of course we have a plan for that and and uh we have filmed when we were out last time we did a little filming. Of course we don't have any film crew with us or any production company because I have been a little you know we do it ourself now in the beginning uh but um we have changed

our mind a little now we must be think about perhaps to connect a team with or get in contact with a team that can film us uh and document everything because I think is lots of things are going to happen uh when we are out now this time and and hopefully later. Uh that's what I hope for and it's good to have on film >> Well, you never know. >> We're available. Yeah.

You see anything? >> Uh, not yet. Now, I'm dealing with the >> we were um lying on the or hovering on the surface. >> And we saw some weird lines going through it. >> Some cracks like it >> and something I would say like rust brownish color like like metal. I looked was my first tuition. So like it was a little bit like old metal

>> Why would there be metal question? >> Oh yeah. It's like straight. >> It's like a wall. >> Flat wall. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's the the picture you take >> you took when you dive for the first time with your ROV. >> So, this is higher resolution. >> Yeah. Because the range is smaller. So,

you got >> and it shows it's even straighter than >> How long is that super straight part? >> I mean, >> I would say that's that's it must be at least uh 30 m. 30 m at least 60 m the whole thing. So >> what are what are the chances of that? That's crazy. >> I don't know.

of these objects in a museum so a kid can like >> Exactly. can can look at it and be inspired and understand the >> and understand the the potential of possibility that exists in the universe. For me, that was the pyramid when I was a kid. >> I grew up half an hour away from it. So, I I know the impact of having seen something that almost doesn't feel like it belongs to this reality. >> And like ever since I think I said that on camera during the Grush Yeah. >> you know, the Grush documentary, just like that's why I'm in it for it because I I hope that our work and every interview that we do can can push people

>> Yeah. that that's why it's so important for us in this you know what we are doing it's to that we work together >> that we really instead of oh no he's doing that you know what I mean lots of people in different groups and then you know I don't want to speak to them >> I think the phenomena doesn't open itself up to you unless you have that orientation of like loving and humanity >> well that >> they reject you >> something perhaps I forgot to mention or

uh was about uh 96 you know go back to 96 I was parents I had two young guys I was uh occupied with all my businesses and exploring and so on something I thought about later perhaps a couple of weeks a month after that uh incident was a feeling I had >> a feeling that usually I don't wake up so early. At that time I was young daddy

you know and blah blah blah and I used my time to sleep when I were have the chance to sleep I sleep don't go up 4:00 3:30 in the night no way I did not as now I'm an old guy I go up and pee you know [laughter] that's what I'm doing not that at that time but I wake up of some reason of some reason I don't understand today and perhaps >> perhaps there was um that feeling I

I had in some way and I begin to for think about it later after a couple of weeks that perhaps it was uh some plan for me to >> I think so >> to wake up and see it because I had the feeling after it not in the situation then I was angry and pissed off because I did not understand what I'm seeing But after a week or two weeks, I begin to how come? And I talked

to my wife at that time, you know, how come and she no Dis I don't know you used you used to sleep a long time but this time I wake up and what's something I cannot put my finger on it not >> Do you know what a time loop is or a closed timelike curve in physics? >> It's two connected points in time that couldn't exist without one another. that they're entangled. And so a classic story is Carl Jung, you know, the uh Swiss psychologist, he was a contemporary of Freud.

>> He had a patient and this patient was very kind of materialist reductionist, just believed in the physical world, was very rational. >> And she had a dream that she was gifted this golden scarab beetle. >> And it was this very important thing in her dream. She comes in, she talks to Carl Young, who's her her, you know, psychologist, and she says that I don't know, I was given the scarab beetle is very strange. I don't know. >> But she's very skeptical. >> And as she's telling the story, a scarab beetle comes down the window sill and

lands right in the office. And so he ends up giving it to her. >> And then she gets gets so emotional and starts crying. And it opens her up to a realm of all sorts of possibilities as to how time and space work and that there's far more beyond, you know, just our material existence and plane that we see. But the point is, if she hadn't had noticed the dream and she wasn't looking out for the scarab beetle, then the dream itself wouldn't have been this self-fulfilling prophecy

>> and he wouldn't have gifted it to her and the whole thing wouldn't have happened. And so they're two points connected in space and time. And so, um, I think that could be what's happening with you right now where, and it's a lot of people, you know, I think the almost dirty little secret of UFO research is people always try to say, "Oh, I'm this very impartial observer and I haven't been affected by this on a core personal >> And then you get a little deeper. You have drinks with the person and they're like, "Okay, I saw something five years ago and

>> I know it's real, so now I'm looking for it." And I have a similar I've seen stuff and it was right at the start of doing this show and it really has impacted my own desire to to to to you know substantiate what I saw more and so I I do believe what you just said. >> Yeah. Well yeah to to um yeah I saw what I saw and then I decide to be quiet about it. I I as I mentioned and I I uh tried to see if I can find any information in local papers in the

military sites and so on. Uh and I did not find anything and I to decide to be totally quiet about it. The only people that known about it was my family, my closest friends. Uh but then on a uh cruising with a ship >> uh because they were curious about the Baltic Sea normally one young guy coming to me, Dennis, have have you seen anything? I mean the UFO or and I just

know I should not talk about that. And then okay, let's do it. >> I say it. That was the first time I mentioned it for a public or for a >> And then who knows if you would have been as persistent to spend almost 15 years looking for this object if you hadn't had prior evidence in your own life that there's something else out there. Maybe you would have overlooked it. Maybe you would have said, "Ah, it's probably a prosaic thing that why would I spend so much time on this thing?" So,

Oh, interesting. Interesting. >> Very interesting. Yeah. Well, the >> Let's find out what it is. >> Let's do it. >> Okay. Great. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. [clears throat] >> Yeah, you're a curious guy and that's good. I'm I'm a curious guy and that's so important for me to continue. Still, I'm alive. I'm healthy and I'm okay. But you never know. Someday you just get sick and you don't have the energy to continue. But still, I'm You're great now, man.

>> I want to do it. >> Continue to find the answer without the military or the governments. >> Yes, I agree. >> Yeah, that's important for me. >> Yeah. No, for humanity, for the world, >> for the future, for my kids, grandkids, and so on. It's >> Oh, I think you will. I think you uh you have the right energy towards it. So, >> I will do my best. >> I want to go do down there.