“There's A UFO On The Seafloor!” -Treasure Hunter Dennis Asberg

unearthing human treasure to unraveling the nature of reality itself. That's when he came upon what you might call an underwater UFO or what's now known as a USO, an unidentified submersible object, in the very remote Baltic Sea. We have something that makes our [music] instrument go wild sometimes. me, my crew, and Ammar Kandil from Yes Theory [music] went to go see it.

Sitting 90 m below the surface, 60 m wide, this is one of the weirdest objects ever [music] detected by humans in the ocean, period. Yeah, it's round and then we have these corridors. You have angles, 90° angles. When you say corridors, like >> Yeah, you have a corridor and you have walls, flat walls. Wow. Dennis has now confirmed that it is not attached to the seabed floor. So, it's not a natural geological formation. I have never seen anything [music] like

that before and not have my colleagues Electromagnetic anomalies are rampant around it. It breaks down GPS, subsea rovers, drones. And then when we have used the ROV, the ROV stops working. >> Yep. We lost GPS? Very close to to the object? Oh my god. We have video of smoke coming out of the water above the object as if it's fuming or emitting gas. I'm down you see like it's from this hole

this milk is going Uh-huh. Like it was >> Something is moving. Yes, it's >> Yeah. Almost like a biological organism or something. But it doesn't stop there. It was literally struck by lightning and it turns often considered a high water mark for its unlikeliness. We also have video of NATO ships encircling this object and tracking Dennis's Ocean X crew in the middle of the Baltic Sea. We had a meeting at the headquarters in Stockholm. I said to one of the people

there, "Have you been there? Have you dive on it?" And he just looked at me. "No, no, no, We have not been there. But you have not filming you. I have filmed you. So I know you have been Nothing. He don't say anything. what we found at the end of this video. Whether this is an ancient sacred temple, a crashed unidentified flying object, or an unidentified submersible object, whatever this thing is, it's

definitively weird. And like the object under the Mesa at Skinwalker Ranch, it seems to have a life of its own. So without further ado, sit back, relax, and prepare to take a deep dive into the abyss with this week's amazing Swedish alchemist, Dennis Asberg.

>> So we're 60 km out at sea and kind of the epicenter between Finland and the Baltic Sea anomaly. And it just feels like we're in the middle of the ocean, to be honest. It doesn't feel any different than anywhere else. uh unfortunately, threw up.

taken the sea sickness medication, [music] which is probably pretty stupid. >> Now, we're sending the ROV down, the remote um operated [music] vehicle. Uh and we can see what it sees, although visibility will be low, so you can only see maybe max, maybe a foot in front of it. And then, [music] we're also going to be doing some sonar scanning and uh try to get a better understanding of

the 3D structure that we're looking at with the Baltic Sea anomalies. And how deep is the object? 90 m. 90 m. you have. When did you start to get into treasure hunting and exploring all these unknown things in the ocean? Um exploring and have been interesting in history and all that thing have been since I was a kid. Uh something I grew up with with my

parents, because they were also interested in that area to find out things and and search for things that nobody else have found. So, it's a natural thing I have, you know, grown up in a family and that works, not works, but have an interest in that field. Mhm. So. Is your father an >> No, he was a diver, but he you have a other job also, but he was a diver also. >> Okay. Yeah. And did you grow up, you know, reading about explorers or >> Yeah, that was then. Yeah, yeah, of course. I reading

history books, of course, and and uh and fictions, also, and going to these things with the treasures and shipwrecks that had have disappeared with interesting cargo. So, that have been interesting for me, and you know, have always been interest for me. What was the first shipwreck you went looking for? When I really go into commercial diving and in that area was for, I mean, it must be 15, 20, 20 years ago. Uh

and it was together with Peter Lindberg, my friend, and we did exploration in Baltic Sea. And we found wrecks with liquor. Huh? Cognac and wine and different type of things. Booze ships. That's the money. That's uh The booze are still valuable? Yeah, of course. Of course. And is it still drinkable and Yeah, some bottles are still drinkable. We um We found also one of the oldest wine in the world from 1600. Wow.

>> Drinkable. Oh my god. >> And cognac on its way to this Russian Uh drinkable, and we have tried it also, Peter and I. It was very strong. >> Yeah. What's uh some of the more interesting shipwrecks that you found? Or maybe maybe one in particular that you remember that has a story attached to it. >> Except the Baltic Sea and all that. Except the Baltic Sea and all that. We're building up to that. Well, there it's it's many, but I must say about one very interesting wreck we found was 2015. We found the

Russian Tsar's submarine, Som. Wow. >> Yeah, building US 1904. Oh my god. >> And the Russian Tsar bought it and used it in the war against Japan. Uh-huh. And it was out on a and on a mission in in the Swedish water. Should not be in the Swedish water, but it was. Uh and was a collision between a Swedish cargo ship and this submarine. So, the periscope went off and 18 men down

to the bottom. How do you What sensors do you use to locate an object? Uh it's very easy. It's a side scan sonar. It's It's a sonar that looks down 2D 2D image you get Okay. of it. Uh so, and then we use ROV and of course we have dive on it also. What's ROV? ROV remote operating robot, you know, underwater. Little subsea drone. >> Yeah, exactly. Okay. So, that we have used and after that we did dives on it also to

really identify it and see if it was that submarine we have we thought it was. So interesting. And so when you find these shipwrecks, you know, with cognac and wine and that sort of thing, is this your business? Do you then go out and sell that on the market? >> I wish. You know Or do you have financial >> we have as you know, we have the situation here as we have in other countries all in the whole world with the pandemic and virus and and also the the the war and lots of things are going

on. So, it has not been easy. Uh so, we tried to sell this wine and cognac and things on the market and the interest was zero. Mhm. No Nobody was interested to buy. >> No way. >> No. That's why you said you drank it. Yeah, I'm drinking it myself at home now instead. No, no, no. So, it has been very difficult because we have spent lots of time and money on this project because we believe this is can this is can finance our other projects. >> Yeah. But the interest have been weak,

very weak when it comes to that. Interesting. Yeah. So, do you ever are you ever able to sell or make a business out of, you know, some of the stuff you find or is it mostly just for passion or for history? >> I mean, in that case, when we're talking about the the the bottles of champagne and cognac and and wine and things like Of course, we have it and hopefully we're going to sell it in the future. But but I don't you know, I won't have lots of money for it. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but that is something I I don't think

about so much now. Should invite myself over for a drink. >> You can get a drink, of course. Tell us about the Baltic Sea anomaly. >> The Baltic Sea anomaly, yeah. >> What is it? Wow, good question. The Baltic Sea anomaly, okay. The begins like this. We were out on a mission. Uh this time to find a wreck, special wreck with champagne on it. we were out for almost a week and then we have problems with the boat. It's begin to leak and we almost sunk with the boat. So, it's was

very scary, but we we managed to come to the harbor in Finland to repair the boat and we have been out for 1 week then. And then we decide to go out to a new area and search there with the side scan sonar and see if we find this special Uh we were quite tired, I must say,

after 1 week and then we had problems with the boat, the leaking and so on. So, we were tired and disappointed. We have not find a wreck yet. But now we're going to search in a new area and hopefully we're going to find it. It was a night time, I think it's 1:00 or 2:00 at night. Me and Peter and our uh Floris, we are sitting in front of the the the screen and we have the side scan sonar in the water and there we see a wreck and there we see something there.

And then this thing popping up on the screen. This huge thing. I mean, we're talking about 60 m in diameter, and it's round. And you have this track at the bottom. So, I remember Peter Peter and laughing and oh, Dennis, you know, here is UFO. And I was what? Then we began really to look at it and it was so odd. And nobody else have seen anything like

that before. Anything like that. And it round potholes you can see, of course, mines and things from the uh second World War. But in this case, we're talking about a big thing, 60 m in diameter. So, it's 3,000 sq m round thing in the middle of the ocean. >> 3,000 sq m. >> Yeah. So, huge. >> Yeah, it's huge. Wow. Yeah. And nobody had ever seen anything like it. And it was it was round. It was like a circular >> round. And then we have these corridors.

You have angles, 90° angles. And so on. So, So, it looked like a artificial structure, basically. >> like that. We went home then after we had done this with the side scan sonar. And we go deeper into look at this data we have on it. And Peter and I we're sitting in front of computer and measuring, you know, that okay, what is possible? Can it be that or construction from the military time or from the World War and and so on. I know it cannot be things like that. And then uh

we talked to friends in the same area as we are, in US, Australia, and and Europe. And show them the pictures and they said, "No, we have never seen anything like that. What have you found? Where did you find this?" And no, no, no, no, we don't say anything about So, then after a 1 week or something, we don't get the get any help. I decided and or we decided and to go out public with it because I I want to have somebody can say what it is.

Because we we have experience, of course, when it come to exploring and shipwrecks, and we have never seen anything, but perhaps somebody have seen something like that. So, I talked to a journalist here in Stockholm, Expressen is a big newspaper. and uh I went there with my laptop and showed them the data. And they, you know, they was very they were very surprised about that. And and then I I explained for them the purpose we were out there was we searching for that and that wreck, and then we found

this instead. So, they were, "Wow." And and then then they sending up me to the office, and I talked to the the manager or chief and uh then I understand that they are interested to public uh go out with this And uh I said, "Okay, do it. Hopefully, we find somebody that can help us with this because I we don't know. We don't know." And we have friends that don't even know about it.

uh that's was the start of something >> Yeah, it was because I was never in the spotlight before. Uh-huh. And in one, I mean, the first week was in the Swedish news, and then Scandinavian news, and then after that, week after, it was international news. Mhm. And my phone is ringing all the time, day and night day and night, and I turn turn it off sometimes because I was so tired. So, I I talk about the same thing like over and over and over with all the

And I say the same thing, I find something I don't know what it is. I don't know, but it's odd, it's strange, it's unique. >> Mhm. We have never seen anything like As you know, on American Alchemist, we cover a lot of technology that goes beyond human limits. This is about technology that helps the body catch up and feel good. I'm talking about the Iris store LED face mask, a red light therapy system that uses clinical grade wavelengths to boost skin cell energy production. The same exact principle

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right angle Yeah, how many right angle uh you know >> No, it's it's plenty of them. It's It's a big object, and then you have corridors with angles, and you have also holes in it. A hole with a like 2 m in diameter with a frame around it. And And also When you say corridors, like Like Yeah, you have a corridor, and you have walls flat walls. Wow. Totally flat. It's like on the side >> And then you have 90° like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So,

uh I don't think I'm not sure. That's what we try to figure out now. Can the nature create this? I don't know. Yeah. >> But it's so odd and so strange. >> coral or any sort of rock that you would see on the seafloor. And you must be familiar as somebody who has probably traversed a lot of the world and looked at the ocean floor for a lot of your life. Yeah. And I'm sure a lot of the people working with you at the time as >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's No, it's very, very strange and um

not only that, it looks odd and strange. We have been out there a couple of times and every time we have been out there, we have problems with our equipment. What What just happened to the boat? You're very close to to the object? Oh my god.

>> The radar showing things that should not be or not there. Mhm. So, one time we are there and the radar is working properly, but then something popping up on the radar. And and uh I remember Peter said to [music] me that Dennis, look at the screen. And I look what? Okay, and I then go out and we are alone here. But should be something 150 m from us. Nothing there. And then another position. You see the position. Another position. How big are the objects showing up on

the radar? >> No, no, you cannot see how big it is on the radar. But you see it's something is there. [clears throat] And then when we have used the ROV, the the ROV start stops working. Really? >> Yep. And when we have dive on it, the camera stops working, the light stops working. So, there must be some sort of electromagnetic Probably. And the GPS function is not working properly either. Really? So, there's maybe magnetic anomalies as well where >> Yeah. That's what I think. Every time we are there, even now in

June when we were out, we have the same problem. Equipment malfunction every You got to go down in a Faraday cage or something. Yeah. So, that was uh very strange also that we have these problems. And we were out again now this uh and uh with another ship, Stockholm University's own ship. Mhm. >> With their own equipment, not my >> Yeah. That's perfect. And it's much better equipment I that I have. Sure.

That's old things. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. But uh so, we were out and I remember I talked to the crew and also Tomas, the captain on board. And I mentioned for him all the experience we have out there with all the the equipment stopped working and all the stuff, you know. The GPS and so on. And then we were quite close and Tomas said to me, "Okay, let's start then. We we begin with a multibeam so we get the 3D image of the object." Perfect weather, good conditions for

And then we go over the object and Tomas said to me, "Dennis, we have problems with the GPS function." And I look at him, "Are you joking with me?" "No, Dennis, we have problems with With the GPS? [clears throat] >> you used to have problems with it? Nope. What happened with the GPS? It's not Lost connection totally. Really? And then we go over it and do go back and uh the same thing again.

Wow. Yeah. So, interferes with radio >> Yeah. changes compasses, Yep. messes with the subsea drone and rover, so there's there's some sort of electromagnetic thing going on down there. And you said you know what the color is now. What what's the color? >> No, Stiafon was one of the divers down and he brushed off the sediment of it and it's dark black. Okay. >> Dark gray almost black. >> Interesting. So he touched it. Yeah, of

course. And when he touched it >> to take samples also. Did not manage that either. Why? Can't hold? Too hard. >> Yeah. Interesting. And when he touched it, did he feel anything or notice anything? That I don't know. He did not mention anything about that either. But he he said it's very odd. Uh-huh. And he had never seen anything like that before. And then one thing I remember when he's coming up, he said to me that the temperature usually at that that is around 4 to 5° C.

>> Now it's most almost zero. Mhm. That you know, it's not possible. >> Interesting. Uh so almost zero degrees. Almost freezing. So it's alarming is in his equipment. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he must have been very cold. And when you're down there, you have the sediment and you get like milky. The

water get milky as you understand? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dusty. >> yeah, dusty. And then you see like it's from this hole this milk is going Uh-huh. >> and out and in and out. Like it was >> Something is moving. Yes, a breathing. >> Yeah. Uh almost like a biological organism or something. Yeah. Wow. But it was hard. Yeah. Too hard to get a sample from. >> Perhaps if you drill a core drilling or >> there's a hole where it where

>> yeah. sand is coming in and out. >> Yeah. That's so fascinating. If all these anomalies that you've experienced, do they increase when you get closer to the object? So, I guess the way you would instantiate that it would be like if you had the ROV or if you had maybe a a compass and you were getting closer, does it get more intense the closer you >> Yeah. The anomalies get more intense the closer you get. >> That Yeah, yeah, we have problems with the equipment the closer we get.

And it's and it's a clear rate of acceleration or increase of the Oh, wow. So, it really feels like it's a source >> I forgot something. It's important. 2019 we were out and uh I I know we were out there in Finland and did a diving work there and we had some friends there that we have done expedition expeditions with before. Uh and I remember their laugh, you know, the Finnish guys.

You know, Dennis, you're joking and you know, they don't believe in that. Then, it's a stone you have found, they said to me. Yeah, of course, prep perhaps it's a stone, but still it's unique. You have not seen seen anything like No, no, that's right, Dennis. So, next next time we're going out, can you come along then with your equipment? >> Okay, okay, he said. Uh-huh. And then after a couple of months, I I said to them that uh we're going to go out now on on a mission. You want to come along with your equipment, your ROV

and everything? So, they come to Sweden go out with the ship and Peter and I just you know, checking what they're doing, their equipment and coming to the spot and they go down with the ROV and he's sitting there and and the first thing when he's coming down there, he said, "Okay, this is uh this is uh strange. This must be man-made. This is

What do you mean here? And I look at Peter and he said, So, So, even the skeptics, when you bring them to see it firsthand, >> understand directly was something for sure that we have found there. So, may that is odd. And uh And you you must be familiar, given that you have an interest in UFOs, with the fact that you have electromagnetic anomalies occurring in many UFO sightings and cases. Even Close Encounters of the Third Kind, you see

can go, but we have seen this growing out for a while. weather phenomenons like thunder thunder and and lots of things just on the spot. >> Really? Yeah. That's fascinating. >> lots of things when I'm talking to you, but lots of things have happened out >> Thunder on the spot?

And it like the the the this the lightning hit the water? >> Yeah. Really? >> Yeah. So it's like a conductor or It's true. It's true. >> Oh my god. >> filmed that also. You filmed that? >> Yeah. Oh, this is amazing. This is the most exciting thing ever. >> now all the all the things together that you know you cannot let it go. You must. That's why I have fight for this for so long time. I mean, if you just list the anomalies, you biological material in the Dead Sea, Yeah. you have right you know right

angle corners, >> you have an object that's 180 m, so it's very big. >> Yeah. You have it's hard. You see that's detached from the seafloor. You have electromagnetic anomalies that it's causing, then you have thunder conducting the hitting it. >> I think that's extremely and then you have a team of people who have been diving for each for decades. >> Yeah. All having tons of data points and they've never seen anything like it. >> So, I think that's very worthy of investigation. Yeah.

And so, some people might be wondering because it's you described it as a round object, but it also had right angles, you know, and right angle corners and stuff. How does that work exactly? It's not a flat, you know, disc as many perhaps thinks. It's a quite rough surface around it. >> Okay. And then you have these corridors and angles. and it's not round in the corners. It's rough, it's perhaps it's broken. Okay. It have been there for a while. So, the

circumference is 180 m approximately. >> if you look at from upside, it's round, but still it's There's some jagged right angles and stuff. And right angles in a way where it's not just a little sliver or whatever, it's like longer right angles that imply artificial Fascinating, man. Yeah, it is, for sure.

>> Have you ever seen all the remote remote viewers have done the all the things about Baltic Sea? Remote >> Oh, have they? Remote, yeah. That's it, man. When we were in Sweden, I called Joseph McMoneagle and Angela Ford and they helped us with this retreat. So, we should Do we I don't have reception, right? Or do we? No, we don't have any >> I was going to say, I could I could easily call them. Well, what did they say? What did the remote viewers say? Oh, that is constructed and it's some of us have it made of gold. Really?

Yeah, it's a some kind of energy source. So, energy source for what? So, what your viewers say this? They love solid. I have I can send you the link for Oh, yeah. But um I'm going to write it down. But the cool thing is also when the the finish guy our colleague from Finland was here he mentioned, "Okay, this is man-made. This must be constructive." And I and it's looks like it's a high

And I used high voltage. So, that's like a something that put out high voltage like a power. Who said that? >> The finish guy. >> And I have it on paper also. That's >> it on paper. We have film and everything. Really? Yep. Oh my god. And um the the meteor that happened Uh the day after we went home. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's crazy also. What's the story there? Oh, you know, I did not

see it, but it was on the news. And that happened on Earth Yeah. one or two times per year. A meteor impacts Earth one or two times per year. And the day after >> that size. And so so you went out here. >> Was here. Exactly. On the way home home on the way home the day after. What year were you here? Oh, this June. Oh, it's in June. Okay. Okay. So, it was on the news that the big meteor over Åland and over here.

thinks that the pyramid is an energy >> Yeah. I heard of that. Yeah. So, I wonder >> Perhaps there's a connection there. I don't know. Yeah. Never know. something like this? Like, what do you What steps do you even take to figure out what this is? Yeah, you know, I'm a explorer and a

treasure hunter. I'm a quite good at that when it's come to to find things. And when it's come to this with find out what this is is something You know, that's why I have this uh year year log and um people from the university that helps me. And they have opened the doors for me. And and I have one person that I must you know, she's wonderful. And that's Beatrice Villa Real. Mhm. That's the person that opened the doors for me. Mhm. Before that, I mean, for 15 years I have tried

to get attention. People get interested in this. Yeah. And I have been at places and I talked about that and they say, "Oh, Dennis, it is very interesting. It's very interesting. But, you know, I don't want to get involved in this. You know this stamp on Yeah, yeah, yeah. UFO and things like that. My company can But, it's interesting. I follow you. I follow you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, uh nothing else. And then I met Beatrice uh 2 years ago, I think. And um because I have always been since '96 and

of course when we found the Baltic Sea interesting in UAP UAPs. and um Um and then I f- uh you know, met Beatrice for the first time and and we find each other there and we have the same interest in find out what's going on around us because I'm already convinced, 100% convinced. So, uh and I'm a you know, I'm a doer. >> I do it. I'm working for it and I don't give up. As the same thing with

Beatrice, we we're working together now. She opened the doors, she had the keys. So, the scientists we are working with now are very excited and and have been out there now with us. So, we're going to go out again because it's unique. They have never seen anything like that either, so. Wow. That's great. >> And these are guys with experience of underwater objects and ocean objects and that sort of thing. They all say they've never seen anything like this. And you made a video recently that went

kind of viral on Twitter where you say, you know, I I have seen some really amazing with the Baltic Sea anomaly. You know, we're going to talk about this soon. Is there anything you can speak to about about that? Like what you found in this last trip because you just went out there, right? Like not too long >> out there. It's so interesting that we must go out again with the scientist because I I I I trust them. I trust them because I have no experience when it comes to that. So, if they're saying this this is

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>> That's what I can say. Okay. Yeah. And anything about the new data or it's I I'm a little careful to to go out with the new data now. It looks like it's separated from the bottom. That's what I can say. Separated from the bottom of the That's amazing. So, it's not a geological formation. We we I don't know. It looks Sounds like it's not. >> be a little careful though. yeah, it's uh I don't know. It's so fascinating. And so what do you what's the next step

after this? It's more testing or Yeah, of course. It's lots of things we must do. It's uh of course to go out again and take core samples. Not from the object as I understand it because that's quite difficult. So but if we succeed this time to get more data that are very interesting, of course we must go out Uh and take core sample. But that that equipment is quite expensive. >> So core sample Take from the object. From the object. So this would be like drilling into it.

>> Yeah. And that that's not easy. Sure. Yeah. And it costs lots of money. So but I hope it's so interesting that we do a core drilling. Yeah. Has has anybody thought to stick their hand in the hole that's breathing in this? >> Believe me. Yeah, many and even I. But you haven't done it? >> no, no, we have not done it. I mean, it's a risk. We don't know. We don't know. >> for sure. But as Beatrice and I have talked about we have talked about that perhaps we're going to use the ROV. Mhm.

Smaller ROV. To go in? Yeah, we have this big hole like 2 m in diameter. Yeah. I mean, the ROVs cost lots of money but perhaps it's worth Does the ROV have like night vision? Can it correct for It must be dark down there. >> No, you don't see anything really. Even if you have the the You must have a a sonar on it. Okay, so you put the sonar on the ROV. >> Yeah, I have a sonar on the ROV so I see everything around it. And it's a side scan sonar so you end up with the 2D >> No, no, it's not a side scan sonar. Side

scan sonar is something you have between behind your boat or ship >> Okay. when you try to find anything. Then you have a blue you sonar on the ROV. Okay. Uh there you can see a front like a picture in the front in the front of you. Okay. There you have no visibility. There you can see anyway. >> It's like a radar. Okay, it's like radar. Interesting. So, you base basically get the structural formation >> Yeah, of course you can see small details also. But you you can't see optical, right? You don't see an image.

>> No, there there depends. If you're lucky, you can see perhaps a 30 or 50 cm in front of you. Okay, a little bit >> have Yeah, it's it's difficult. Yeah. Yeah. That is fascinating. >> Yeah, it is. So interesting. >> Yeah. When you started to talk to the press about this even back, you know, years ago. Yeah. Why do you think like military or aerospace or I don't know, didn't want to check it out themselves. Like the authorities. They did. How do

directly on us. ship and actually a Swedish one. And it shouldn't be lurking around in in in those waters. we were going in a search pattern and they were in our way.

And we called up on the radio and said we have divers in the water, please move. And they did. but still they were there. It's crazy. Yeah and then we have airplanes so all >> how many did you film? Six seven ships wow big ships. Wow. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So you think they were there for you it was not it's not normal to see them all there. No no no no no it's not normal I don't know I mean. But how many how many other dives have you done where you're looking for cognac and wine where you've seen six or seven ships from various

different NATO countries? >> Not many I must say but when we are dive on the submarine we found 2015 of course we have the the navy and the coast guard was there and boarding us and you know want to investigate what we are doing and so on and was a So that sounds like a similar thing because it's a national it's a govern it's it's of interest to the government in this case the Russian government and in this case it's interest to of interest to NATO and many governments probably. >> Yeah yeah of course and then when we

were home they I got the call from the let's say it's like FBI in Sweden and they want me there directly come over here we will have a want to talk to you so I did and it was about the submarine we have found and what people I'm talking to and they want to know every detail everything about it the Russian people I talking about I talk with and so on so it's um Yeah but every time we were out been out in the Baltic Sea except now. Yeah.

Except now this time nobody. Interesting. Yeah. Why do you think that The ship we using owned by the government Swedish government. Ah so they get the data no matter what. I don't know probably. Interesting maybe maybe somebody on board is working on their behalf or that. >> I hope not. contact you about the Baltic Sea anomaly, too? >> No, no. Well, I When it comes to the

Baltic Sea anomaly, we had a meeting at the headquarter military headquarter in Stockholm, and, I remember I said to one of the people there in this group, I said, "You should know I mean, you have been out there and, uh, lurking around and laying there and watching us. So, uh, what do you know about the whole Have you been there? Have you dive on And he just look at me. "No, no, no, no,

We have not been there." "But you have been filming you. I have filmed you. So, I know you have been there." Nothing. He don't say anything. >> Whoa. So, they have been there. And probably they dive there, also. >> They probably dive down there. >> But they might also not know what's down there. They might know >> no, yeah. Of course, they have dive there. But you But you think would they know what what it is? Do you think they've classified the object or classified it in terms of they know what they're looking at or I mean, that's crazy if they have not done that.

I mean, but but still, you know, the the the crazy thing is also, it's not on international It's on international water, but it's also on Finnish international economic zone. Mhm. It's not on Swedish water. Finnish economic zone. Mhm. So, this little strange that the Swedish, uh, military ship are there. And also other ships, but, you know, I don't know. But, they have been there and probably dive on it or use ROV and investigated themselves.

But, when we were at We were at the headquarter and talked to them, they said that uh, "We know nothing about it. We have had no ships there." And Did you But you >> it. You filmed it. You have it. When you went to the military was it explicitly a meeting around the Baltic Sea anomaly? >> exactly. And they called you in. Yeah. So, okay, they definitely had an interest at least. >> they were interested. But then they acted like they knew nothing, they had never gone out there >> And we show all the data, all the

information from from them and for for them and and the >> a chip on it. Yeah. You see a chip >> Well, you're a long way from home, my

that you've experienced [music] around the Baltic Sea anomaly? shifted some money. But it the the the first time we saw it. Yeah. That was experience because we have never seen anything like that before. Yeah.

So, we were very confused and of course I mean, uh curious about what it can be. And then after that, we have done our things down down there and um Stefan had been down there as a diver. And he explained for me what happened down there and what he had experienced with the temperature and all the angles and walls and uh holes and things like that.

So, when you see it yourself of course it's our film then you begin to this must be in some way constructed. Have any skeptics come to you and said, "I think it's a rock." Have any insight? >> of course. >> All of them. And what do you say to Perhaps you're right. I don't I'm not the only thing I can say, I have no experience when it's come to that. I have never seen anything like that before and not have

my colleagues either. So, nobody >> thing like 60 m in diameter. Mhm. So, that was the first thing we did. We sent it over to our friends and people that we know are working with the same things that we do. and when they saw the pictures, they of course they were curious and wanted to what what have you found this found this? Mhm. As I mentioned that from the the Baltic Sea and

what it is? It can be something that is constructed on the spot. Can be. Mhm. Long time ago, perhaps before the ice age. Mhm. I don't know. >> come to this, because I want to know. Mhm. Even if it's a rock. Mhm. But it's it's very strange rock. Yeah. I must say. With all the angles and holes and and it's a round object, it's also separated from the bottom. Mhm. It's

attached to the seabed, but it's not It's not >> part of a mountain or something. >> Mhm, it's not a geological formation, not part of the earth. >> The The data say That's pretty amazing. So, it's an object. That's why it's important so important that we doing this investigation, continue with it. Yes. With the different methods because it's um It's of course interesting. felt for me. I was uh

having a hard time melting it. I had a hard time melting it. I was talking to my friend Dennis. We were sitting there. >> I just spoke to your colleague that you mentioned Beatrice Viorica, who is amazing and discovered all sorts of very cool things in her own right. She talked about the importance of having a hypothesis and having an idea of what you might be looking at so you can test against that hypothesis. I mean, I've seen some astronomers suggesting that you should um just look without any hypothesis and do like classify things

like you're classifying butterflies. I think you're not going to find anything. >> Well, obviously Because because you have no hypothesis, you don't target your >> Yes. And you are going to invest years into that and you might have a great classific like great catalog of things, but I'm not interested in the catalog. I don't know really what to think about Uh it's something for sure and and if it is a UAP or a crashed UFO should be cool if you have found that, of course. But, at

the same time and all the data we have it cannot be a volcano even if it's It can be a volcano, but when I talk to scientist and I look at it now, it's not a volcano. No, no, no. It should not be like that then and is it meteor or an or matrite or something? No, it should not be that. Then you have this and this and this. Okay. Okay. Well, why why can't it be an asteroid or something? Then you have a crater. Right. Yeah. And no crater here. >> No, no. It's standing up. It's standing

up as if it's an artificial structure on the seafloor. >> And how big is it again? 60 m in diameter. 60 m. 60 m. Yeah, it's big. It's very big. Yeah. That's so >> So, your two top hypotheses are that it's either a UFO, maybe something we're not alone, maybe something from space, Yeah. or you think maybe it's an artificial structure that was built before the Younger Dryas period, maybe when, you know, there was probably

flooding, there was flooding. We know meltwater pulse 1B in 9600 BC. >> Yeah. Before that, you know, you had water levels were different, and maybe this was on land and it was built at that time. Can be like that, yeah. So, >> Something is built there. Either one is very interesting. It's fascinating. >> Yeah, it is. And you're reasonably confident that it's detached. The the object is not part of a big stone or something. Yeah. No, as we can see it now, the data we

have from the last mission or where we were out, uh it's looks like it's separated from the bottom. On the data, but you know, we're going to go out again and do it one more time. That's how we must do it. Did the diver that you mentioned before who, I think it was Stefan >> Stefan Hogeborn, yeah. He touched it. Did he say it felt like anything? No, not really. He He was surprised it was dark under it. Huh. It was gray like

When it the the sand uh And then it take that away and it was dark almost black grey black >> Did he say it looks natural or No, nothing about that. He didn't say mention anything about Interesting. Yeah. Did he mention feeling anything being around it like oh my god this Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He have He have never ever and this is a He have been diving for a long long time. He is well known in Sweden when it comes to diving.

How many years has he been diving? Something like a young guy. Okay. But anyway, he is How old is he now? Same age 60. Okay. Same as me then. and then um So 40 years probably of diving. Probably more but More, yeah. Still, you know, he he he said to me that when he was up because he was I saw him in his in his face he was

face and and I was of course curious. What have you seen? And I Oh and then he said to me Dennis I I you know, I have dived a lot and and I have never ever seen anything like this. >> That was probably the most important dive I've ever done in my life. I've done maybe 6,000 dives in my life. what I've seen. about the hole. He explained about the

temperature and he was brushing off the sand the sediment. It was dark under it. And he tried to take samples from it. It was too hard so he take samples that loose samples on it instead. Like loose stones. Uh-huh. And where did those stones have you tested those? >> Yeah, we have tested in Israel. And are those stones, did they come back normal they found minerals, of course. And not nothing that really sticks out.

And basalt, volcanic stones they found. But at the same time when I talked to the the people, the scientists, they said, "You will never find any any basalt in the Baltic Sea because you don't have any volcano." Mhm. But then they said that probably if you have found it, it's coming at the ice, you know, the end of the ice age. Ah. It's melting period. Huh. Coming from the Atlanta. Mhm. Uh at that

being the Baltic. But I I I don't know. I don't know. >> Yeah. So it's almost like a when you look at a an ice core sample Yeah. and you can kind of uh see what carbon levels were in the sediment layer of the ice or something. That's This might be a record that it was an ancient structure that was built from a long time ago. The fact that there's even basalt there. Yeah. Is that kind of what you're trying >> That's a very interesting test we're going to do. We're going to do a core drilling, not at the object, but around object now. Mhm. And even in this track

I want it to come out because I want to do like check I have done this now. I'm can go further with my other projects. Are there any other rocks with corridors and right angle >> only that. Yeah, as I mentioned with corridors and holes and things I forgot one thing very important. I have like triangle like this Uh-huh. with a hole in it. A triangle with a hole in >> with a hole. How big is the triangle? Like 15 cm 20 cm like that. Wow. Yep.

With a hole in it. >> Yeah, the hole. Like a perfect round >> Yep. Almost as if it was like laser cut or something. Perfect on the >> Any writing? I assume not. No >> it's as I mentioned we have we were lucky when we found this on a on a film. But you know, it's a big object and visibility down there as I said is very you know, it's pitch black and it's difficult to see things. Wow. Uh but we saw that and probably we will

find more next time we coming out. That's so fascinating. Before the Baltic Sea anomaly were you interested in UFOs at all? Did you have any interest in unidentified flying objects, space, aliens, anything like that? Okay, let's go back in time I have talked about this before. And I can do it again because that it was that was something that changed my life totally. Uh back in 1996 I live outside of

Stockholm not far from here. Very close to military installation. And I was entrepreneur, explorer, entrepreneur. I have my businesses and and doing lots of things. I was a uh daddy to two boys. Mhm. Uh and I have a wife and and a good life, perfect life. And the only thing when it come to UAPs and UFO, that I saw Star Wars, ETs, and That was the only only thing I No no

interest in when it come to I did not think about it. Yeah, I see. I was busy in my world. So, anyway, that thing that changed my mind totally was '96 in the summer in the early summer. Uh I lay in my bed in the apartment not far far from this military installation. I have a big window in front of me. I wake up uh 3:30 something in the morning. Usually I sleep a long time. You know, the I used

the time for sleeping at that time cuz I'm working a lot. But this morning I wake up for some reason I am still today don't understand really. I have thought about it, of course, but uh I wake up uh lay in my bed for 10 minutes and I decided to go up and drink water in the kitchen. Mhm. So, I sitting in the bed. I have a big window in front of me and outside the window I have this military installation Fua is called in Swedish then. So, I sitting there in

my bed and and look out the window and see something that uh should not be there. And it's take me a couple of seconds to really understand that I have something in front of me that should not be there. Should not be there. >> What is it? Yeah, good question. And and then I'm getting frustrated. You know, when you see something that not fit, you know, it's should not be there. That I get to use begin to use my F words and

try to get my wife's attention because she's sleeping behind me. I want her to see that also because it's something. So, you're making a little scene so she wakes up and then >> And and and then stand up and turn around and look at her too. What, you know? And she looked at me as scared because I mean that's not Dennis. I'm a quite cool And this in the in the early morning. So, then I turn around and look again in

the wind out to the window. And it's still there. It's still there. then I begin to understand this is something very very odd and strange to have in front of me. And then the thing happens that when you see it like this, it looks like a hot And it's brown, it's yellow, and the sunlight is it's reflecting on it. And then it's going like this. It's dark under it. And then I see it's round. Before I don't see it round. Then

I see it round. And then after 1 second, 1 and 1/2 second, it's gone. So, what shape is it? It's round. It's round. But if you see it like this, you don't see it as round. But when I do like this, it's round. Interesting. >> Yeah. So, you just saw it uh it looked like a flat plane because you were looking at it from the side. >> Like a hot dog or a cigar or something. Some sort of long line. Yeah, which is a common people's Tic Tacs, cigars. And then it turned and you saw

that it was round. Yeah. And then it popped off. And how long did you see it 14, 15 seconds. How far away from you standing in front of the window? >> 1/2 km. 1 to 1 and 1/2 km. >> Wow. So, it must have been a pretty big >> Yeah, it was a big. It was not as I have mentioned to many people, it's not what it was not a bird on the window. >> And not a bird or it was something very very strange. It's amazing that you woke up at that time. Was it around the military installation?

Was on the over the military And does the military installation have any sort of nuclear stuff? I guess there's no nuclear in Sweden or There's there's There's nuclear energy. There's nuclear power plants and stuff. No, no, no. Plutonium and lots of other things. The nuclear things they work with there because I did I did my investigation because I was, you know, "Wow, I have seen something. Now I must figure out what it is." I tried must to try to find out if I can find any information regarding

this but I have seen if anybody else has seen it. So, local papers at that time '96 we had Altavista. Mhm. You know, and modem you put your phone in and then you call. No broadband at that Internet service provider modem, yeah. So, it was uh uh local paper, military sites, and also my friend in the military I talked to. Nobody. Nobody have seen it or heard anything about it. uh then

I contacted a UFO Sweden. Uh-huh. Uh you have talked to one of these guys I think >> Class one, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, this is like the official investigate civilian >> yeah. UFO >> So, I I mailed them but I did not get any receipt >> Okay. anything back. So, that was uh shock for me and that was something that changed my belief totally. Mhm. Totally. Before that

nothing at all. So, I remember when I saw this thing, I I I got my I got her attention but she did not come up and saw it. Anyway, it's flowing over and then I run over the bed over her to come to the other side and I'm standing there like, "What? Where is it? Where is it?" And I see don't see anything. And then she's coming and then it's Dennis, what's wrong? What's wrong?

I don't know. I have seen something. And then after that my two kids are coming. Papa, papa, what's wrong? >> And I'm this morning we were sitting eating breakfast and and I tried to in my best way to explain for them what I have seen. And later that day we go down to this area. It's a protected area. It's a military installation so we cannot go in. But anyway, I go there because I I I I have reference. I saw that there was one part of it and there was How big is it? And

then I begin to okay, must be like 6-700 m in diameter. >> Mhm. So we're talking about a big thing. So um Yeah, that's what happened to me in '96. That's amazing. And you looked into it and you realized that the military installation, that site, does like plutonium enrichment? Yeah. Yeah. And that seems to be a huge pattern as I'm sure you're aware. After a while I did begin to understand that the reason

perhaps they are there. Yeah. Are there plutonium enrichment sites in the US, Savannah River Site in South Carolina or Hanford, Washington? There are a lot of UFO sightings over both. In fact, one of the earliest sightings was over Hanford plutonium site in 1945. This pilot named Bud Clem. Mhm. So it's it's a very common thing. Wow, that's amazing. >> Yeah, that was something that I mean that that was that was that was the time that I begin to think

about okay, we are not alone. Something are here. So you started to get interested in the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, very interesting. Did you start to read about the topic? I tried to find out if somebody else have found seen anything like that. Look at pictures and and um because we did not have YouTube and things at that time 96. But then I saw pictures and no no nothing like that and nothing like that and nothing like that. I I I really tried my best to find out

if somebody have take a picture of it or something. Fascinating. just became obsessed and I had it like a kind of a prestigious job in finance or whatever and I was like I I all I can spend time on is this. >> Yeah. And so I yeah. That changed your

life totally then. Definitely changed my experienced a lot of other people I've talked to that have experienced that have changed their love to life totally. Yeah. And uh not only their life, only their families life and because you get you you be another person. >> Yes. Yeah. It opens you up spiritually too and I think I think I was nihilistic before and I didn't believe in higher things,

you know, and >> I was like totally focused on my you know, myself and my family and Yeah. >> my career and my business and everything what I'm doing and then that happened that really changed me. Yeah. That's beautiful. The meaning of life we begin to think about. Yeah. >> Who are we? Who are them? Why are they here? Yeah. And so on and so on, you know. Mhm.

That's why it's so important for me and I know for you and lots of other people too. Yes. You cannot just leave your Or just walk away No, you can't walk away. You cannot do that because you have it your whole life in you. the beings are speaking to us is through the discoveries, [music] you know, it's

like their language. Yeah. Perhaps they don't want to just give it us. They They want us to find it. I think that's >> That's right. That's every [music] every story is like that, you know, King Arthur, you know, a- any anything, [music] it's always you have to search. "Oh, well, Dennis was already interested in UFOs, and, you know, he's he's just

biased because he already had this in his mind when he saw this object?" Yeah, as I mentioned, '96 that changed my life, and I am explorer, have been explorers since I was a kid, really. I'm a curious guy. I'm always been been interested find things that nobody else have found. and of course make money on it, so I can pay my bills and and do new, you know, expeditions and things like that. So, and then we found this thing, and they can believe what they I mean, it's

it's my uh it's my life. I have always been like that, and and yes, sorry if they um feel like that, but this is my reality. This is something I have gone through, and I found something for sure that is very interesting, and I'm open with it. Everything I do, I'm open with it. It's the same thing with shipwrecks. I'm doing that because I know lots of people, as I was and and when I was a kid, I I curious. I look at TV and things and books and and I know

lots of people around the world are very curious about treasures. You know, I'm a treasure hunter. then I found this thing and the same thing there. I'm open with it. And then I have seen something 96 that convinced I'm open. I've always been like that. Say you take a core sample, you bring a Geiger counter. Yeah. You observe much more the next time, your next visit. And actually get conclusive proof that this

is an anomalous object not from Earth. What next? Talk about it. Show the whole world about the truth about it. That's how I And that's how we together, Bea and Therese and I, work. We we want to be open with everything. We even if it's a stone or a comet, whatever it is, I must be open with it. Are you familiar with the history in Scandinavia of specifically waterborne UFOs or UFOs

that hit the water specifically the ghost rocket anomalies in the 40s, for example, never landed on land or crashed on land. They always hit the water in the lakes >> something. Yeah, you know, since I was out with the information 96 then then I found it 2011 but 96 I know I was not out with the information but since 2011 I have received I mean, so much mails from people around the world and even here in Sweden. With

they talking about they have seen cigars, they have, you know, crashed in the water and in forest and and things like that. And they want to talk to me and and you know, lots of people have contacted me. And I I wish I can clone myself and you know, do it so many people. Yes. So. You know who Matthew Brown is? Yeah. He's this recent whistleblower, you know, UAP whistleblower in the recent UFO whistleblower in the US and he

scenario, they'll design it to excel in that mission. And this is getting into very speculative territory, but there's a UFO whistleblower on 4chan. You know, this one of these kind of dark internet forums or whatever and he said he was sick and you know, he didn't have much time left and it was time for him to reveal the truth. And he says that basically these these UFOs are built to spec. They're made for specific purposes and they're on the ocean floor. Mhm. And

so I wonder if this was an object with all these, you know, kind of intricate corridors and holes and 90 degree corners that was maybe built to spec for some specific purpose and then maybe it served its purpose and it was disposed of or you know, who knows. Who knows? I don't know, but that will hopefully we will find out when it come to this and and since 2011 I received lots of mails and even letters. On paper. That

the story about things that have crashed down to the war in the water. And even former officers in the navy that have contacted me that are very scared to go out with it, but they want to tell me the story about they have seen seen things like that in the water. >> Yeah. Yeah, there's even um in the US, there's a guy named John Pena Craven. He wrote a book called The Silent War. And they talk about all sorts of covert operations in the US of finding things

on the sea floor. And uh there there are rumors that the the Glomar Explorer for Hughes Corporation was maybe, you know, subsea to to find sort of objects like this. So, I think there's a long history of crash retrievals, you know, in the ocean. Yeah. And uh it's fascinating.

He was a UFO witness, but then he was stationed somewhere with this guy who apparently dove on an object in Hawaii. the idea was maybe it was related to the uh Starfish Prime test series. So, the Marshall Islands, you know, atomic tests or whatever where UFO material was supposedly came out of the sky. You know, I interviewed a guy, Harold Malmgren, who basically on his deathbed said that he held in his hands UFO material from that came out of the plume

and it was organic, and he didn't know why he was this kind of you know, in intelligence circles, often they say, "Go find the thing." And you don't know what you're looking for. And so, he apparently looked at the object when he was down there, and it really shocked him. He became it was ontologically completely shocking. He like, "What am I seeing?" And it it was because it looked organic, and it was like breathing. So, and then I think about the whole with the the sand, and I'm like >> saying something very interesting,

because when we did the samples there from uh uh we take from not from the object, but from that laying on the object. Uh it was organic burned Organic burned. So, like >> But, you know, I'm not the specialist in that area, but it it was it was that. So, it was like charred like >> No, it's something of high temperature, very high temperature, and it's like

basalt, as you know. And then when it's cooling down, the layers on it, when you're scraping it, we take the test, what's biologic. How'd do you know? The sign I mean the >> biological. Yeah, they test it. Did it contain DNA and stuff? >> No, that I don't know. Okay, but it was biological. When you say biological plant or animal >> Can be. I don't know. Some sort of tissue or something? >> don't know. It's fascinating. No, I think it's dead sea. Totally dead >> no, but this had biological material.

So normally you would never find biological material in this sea. >> no. No. The fishes. That's fascinating. >> Yeah. Not out there in the middle of the Baltic Sea. But nothing we can say that's more descriptive than biological material or No. Not a specific animal or specific okay. No. Wow. but hopefully this time when when we go out we going to take more samples core drilling as I mentioned for you, but we going to take hopefully we can take something from the

the object, but if not we take new samples from different spots around it and on it do our investigation and sign you know, look at it. Amazing. Well, Godspeed man. I'm very excited to see what you find. I think it's very cool what you're doing and uh do you think I mean do you believe that you'll succeed in figuring out what this object is? >> yeah. You do. Uh even if it's a stone or

volcano or whatever it is we will find out. I don't give up. We must have answer now what it is. That we But but it have been a tough time 15 years and gray hairs and uh struggling with this to convince people to get into this and now we have the right people involved in this project and um I'm so glad for that and uh but it have been a tough time with threats and people that want to hurt me or my family and so it's have been tough

also. I'm sorry, man. >> ways. Any any specific threats that you can talk about? Uh not really, but you know, you get mails and and like threatening me and my kids and and uh lots of things like that. >> Horrible. To make me to stop or Well, yeah. They literally say, "Stop looking for the Baltic Sea anomaly." >> No, we know what your kids are. We know what what kindergarten they are at. Now we're talking about my youngest kids.

Now they are teenagers, and but that time they were in the kinder were in the kindergarten and school and and they said that we know about your son there and daughter there, and that when I was what the you know And be careful about that, blah blah blah blah. I still have the mails left, you know. >> You do? Yeah, and lots of it. And then people that think I'm opening the door to >> Like you're opening a gateway to hell? >> Gateway to hell, so I'm the going to

blame me on the you know So it was tough. And then to to if you have a wife, you know, a family and I must be open with everything. If they're threat threating me and my >> I must be open >> But being a big public figure is the best of Yeah, and that's was very tough for them to accept that and and and they did not really accept it, and it was tough for me and Dennis, what have you done? Don't put this put the us in the in this situation, you know, and and

was tough, but they they have you know supported me and this because it's important they know that's important for And now we're here, 2025, we are out again, and hopefully we have an answer this year what we have found and uh but even if a stone or whatever it is, I will continue to work in in this area to find out you are we alone or and

we are not alone, but who are they? Who >> are they coming from? What's the purpose and so on. Yeah. So that that is something very important for me. Well, I think if the people mailing you didn't think it was real, they wouldn't be so vociferous and aggressive and everything they're saying. It's implying an insecurity that they actually think the thing is real. If they think they thought that you were obsessed with a volcanic rock for 15 years, they wouldn't be threatening >> No, no, no. We all on the the crew,

everybody in on the ship and also as I mentioned the Finnish guys and we have been out there and it's a reason we are going out many times I've been out there not for a stone. I mean, we have seen something that have you know, make us confused. Do you uh plan to document what you find throughout so that you can I think it's important maybe for just

uh as a defense for yourself to show the process as you're finding things so nobody can kind of deny that you cuz you have, you know, evidence that you're doing it as you're doing it. Yeah. We of course we have a plan for that and and we have filmed when we were out last time we did a little filming of course. We don't have any film crew with us or any production company because I have been a little, you know, we do it ourselves now in the beginning. but uh

we have changed our mind a little now. We must be think about perhaps to a team with getting contact with a team that can film us uh and document everything because I think there's lots of things that going to happen when we are out now this time and and hopefully later. That's what I hope for and it's good to have on film also. Wow. You're never going to be available.

We were flying on the hovering on the surface. Yeah. We saw some weird lines. Yeah. Some cracks. Yeah. And something I would say it was like rust. Like metal. Brownish color. Yeah, rust like like like metal. It looked really like So like it was a little bit like old metal.

Why would there be metal? That's our Quality. Go there. Ah, yes. It's so light. Wow. It's like a wall. Yeah, like a wall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the picture you take you took when you dive for the first time with your ROV. Yeah, so this is higher resolution. Yeah. Because the range is more also you got And it shows

it's even straighter than before. How long is that super straight part? I mean I would say that's I must be at least 30 m 30 m at least. 60 m the whole thing. What are the what are the chances of that? It's crazy.

of these objects in a museum so a kid can like Exactly. can can look at it and be inspired and understand and understand that the potential of possibility that exists in the universe. For me that was the pyramid when I was a kid. Yeah. I grew up half an hour away from it. I know the impact of having seen something that almost doesn't feel like it belongs to this reality. And like ever since I think I said that on camera during the rush. Yeah. Yeah, the rush hour documentary. Just like that's why I'm in it for it. Cuz I I hope that our work and every interview that we do can can push people to Yeah.

That's why it's so important for us in this, you know, what we are doing. It's to that we work together. Yeah. >> That we really instead of oh, no, he's doing that. You know what I mean. Lots of people in different groups and then, you know, I don't want to speak to them. I think the phenomena doesn't open itself up to you unless you have that orientation of like loving and humanity. Well, that that's It'll reject you. Something perhaps I forgot to mention or

uh was about 96, you know, go back to 96. I was a parent. I had two young guys. I was occupied with all my businesses and exploring and so on. Uh something I thought about later, perhaps a couple of weeks a month after that incident a feeling I had. A feeling usually I don't wake up so early. At

that time I was a young daddy, you know, and blah blah blah, and I used my time to sleep. When I have the chance to sleep, I sleep. You don't go up 4:00 3:30 in the night. No way. I did not As now I'm a old guy. I'm going to pee, you know. >> That's what I'm doing. Not that at that time. But I wake up of some reason of some reason I don't understand today. And perhaps Mhm. perhaps there was um

that feeling I I had in some way and I begin to thought think about it later after a couple of weeks that perhaps it was in my some plan for me to I think so. to wake up and see it I had the feeling after it, not in the situation. Then I was angry and pissed off because I did not understand what I'm seeing. But after a week or 2 weeks I begin to

How come? And I talked to my wife at that time, you know. How come? And she No, Dennis, I I don't know. You used Do you used to sleep a long time, but this time I wake up. And was something I cannot put my finger on it, but >> Do you know what a time loop is or a closed time-like curve in physics? No. >> It's two connected points in time that couldn't exist without one another. They're entangled. And so a classic story is Carl Jung, you know, the uh Swiss psychologist. He was a

contemporary of Freud. He had a patient, and this patient was very kind of materialist, reductionist, just believed in the physical world, was very rational. Yeah. And she had a dream that she was gifted this golden scarab beetle. Mhm. And it was this very important thing in her dream. She comes in, she talks to Carl Jung, who's her her you know, psychologist. And she says that I don't know, I was given this scarab beetle. It's very strange. I don't know. But she's very skeptical. And as she's telling the story,

a scarab beetle comes down the window and lands right in the office. And so he ends up giving it to her. And then she just goes gets so emotional and starts crying and it opens her up to a realm of all sorts of possibilities as to how time and space work and that there's far more beyond, you know, just our material existence and plane that we see. But the point is, if she hadn't have noticed the dream and she wasn't looking out for the scarab then the dream itself wouldn't have been

this self-fulfilling prophecy. And he wouldn't have gifted it to her and the whole thing wouldn't have happened. And so there are two points connected in space and time. And so um I think that could be what's happening with you right now where And it's a lot of people, you know, I think the almost dirty little secret of UFO research is people always try to say, "Oh, I'm this very impartial observer and I haven't been affected by this on a core personal And then you get a little deeper, you have drinks with the person and they're like, "Okay, I saw something 5 years ago

I know it's real, so now I'm looking for it." And I have a similar I've seen stuff and it was right at the start of doing this show and it really has impacted my own desire to to to to, you know, substantiate what I saw more. And so I I do believe what you just said. Yeah, yeah, to to um Yeah, I saw what I saw and then I decided to be quiet about it. I As I mentioned then I I uh tried to see if I can find any information in local papers in the

military sites and so on. Um and I did not find anything and I decided to be totally quiet about it. The only people that known about it was my family, my closest friends. but then on on a cruising with a ship >> Mhm. uh because they were curious about the Baltic Sea anomaly, one young guy coming to me, Dennis, have have have you seen anything? I mean, the UFOs. And I I know

I should not talk about that. And then okay, let's do it. Yeah. I say That was the first time I mentioned it for a public or for a person. And then who knows if you would have been as persistent to spend almost 15 years looking for this object if you hadn't had prior evidence in your own life that there's something else out there. Maybe you would have overlooked it. Maybe you would have said, ah, probably a prosaic day with Why would I spend so much time on this thing? So, it's interesting.

Even a scientist as reputable as Garry Nolan at Stanford, it's similar where like he kind of started to uncover experiences he had had in his childhood when he got into the subject professionally later in life. So, I think it's impossible to completely separate the observer and the observed. And I I think it's always honorable when anybody admits what's driving them is, you know, often a personal experience. There's no way to decouple those two things.

Oh, interesting. Interesting. Very interesting. Yeah. Well, the journey continues. >> what it is. Okay, great. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, you are a curious guy and that's good. I'm I'm a curious guy and that's so important for me to continue. Still, I'm alive, I'm healthy, and I'm okay. But you never know. Someday you just get sick and you don't have the energy to continue. But still I'm Yeah, great now, man.

>> I to do it. Yeah. me. Yeah. You know, for humanity or the world. the right energy toward that, so >> I will do my best. I want to go dive down there.

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