The Scientist Who Found Alien Implants in Humans | MEMBERS RELEASE

there. You see that? There's >> Oh, yeah. There's something in his ear. >> The magnet sticks to my ear. >> Wa wa. >> Some of my favorite interviews have been these guys. They have implants. You know, they're close encounters of the third kind, type two abductions. I go in for the post operation meeting with the doctor and he said, "I found something in your right nostril that was so hard I almost couldn't break through it." >> How many people do you think are walking

around with alien implants inside of >> 350,000 people. These people are way too powerful to fight and they're experts at mind control. They can make you do anything they want you to do willingly. >> The beings that implanted you is that good or bad or How is this possible? Nothing too unusual about that. >> Their existence can no longer be denied.

you're here. This has been a long time coming. thing I was just saying offset, I've been trying to get in touch with you for the last two or three years maybe. I've followed your work. Uh it seems like in UFO world, uh we seem stuck on the existence or non-existence of lights in the sky, right? And there's a whole uh kind of history of research, deep research from very credentialed people uh discussing kind of you know deeper threads if you will around close

encounters of the third kind abductions uh implants often being found in these people's bodies. There's a legendary UFO researcher named Dr. Roger Lear, who everybody likes to pay homage to, and I view you as kind of his living heir in many ways. >> Yeah, I guess that's about right these days. I mean, nobody else has uh taken up the uh the research and he taught me everything he knows he knew. So, um I um would very much like to um uh continue

the research when fun when funding becomes available. It's crazy that funding should be uh completely available. This is like the most interesting stuff, you know. So, um uh let's just establish for the audience who who is Dr. Roger Lear. He's known as this, you know, sort of alien implant doctor. Who what's his what was his background? How did he get into this sort of stuff? >> Well, he was a podiatrist and uh he was always interested in UFOs. He was um the most knowledgeable euphologist I've ever met. And um he um was at a UFO

different people over about a a 20-year >> We found the object uh the first one and we took it out. Uh it looked like nothing that I had ever removed before in a way of a foreign body. And believe me, I had removed all sorts of things from even a hair to paper to uh metals of various kind and so on. Never saw anything like this. It was a a T-shaped affair that was wrapped in a very tight

biological tissue which was this uh really strange color and texture. And then we took a scalpel and we wanted to see what was inside. >> That's the idea of the whole thing. And we were amazed to find that we couldn't cut through this biological tissue. It came back uh with absolutely no inflammatory response. Now, that really makes you want to scratch your head because how do you get something into the human body and not have the body react to it? Well, that

just doesn't happen. Uh maybe there's some weirded out explanation that I didn't understand from one site. Uh maybe uh two sites, but three sites uh from two different people uh that's just a little too much to handle. And where was he based? >> Uh I found out that Dr. Leer was working in Thousand Oaks when I was working in Camrio, California, only a few miles away. And um I um uh had some a word experience uh where

uh I saw these giant raccoons in my backyard and uh when I was at the house alone one night and um I fed the animals and observed them for some time and there were um about between 75 and 100 pounds I'd estimate. I didn't even know raccoons got that big. And evidently there were scout animals for the aliens because I went to bed and woke up about 8:00 the next morning and um had a sting a bad stinging pain in my toe and uh I had reason to believe it was some kind

of an implant and so I went to see Dr. earlier and um I don't think he believed me at first, but he gave me a prescription to get the toe x-rayed. And um I knew we were going to see something on the x-ray, but when I did, that changed my life forever. It looked like a bent piece of wire on the x-ray. And um um I didn't remember um getting any uh shrapnel in there or anything like that. So it was um quite an experience. Then um he got funding from Haime Masan to uh to

remove it a few months later and um he didn't have anybody to analyze it. So um where I was working at the time I had I had access to a lot of analyt analytical equipment. So um I analyzed it for him and it turned out to be a sophisticated nanotechnological device. Uh have you read my paper on uh that >> I have not. Let's let's hear about it. Um well, it um it turned out to have very um skewed isotopic ratios and several elements that were in the

metallic core and um to the extent that it looked like it probably came from another part of the galaxy, not just another planet. And um >> but how how can you know that from the isotope ratios? Well, because um the isotope ratios are characteristic um of um uh elements from different places and um if um they're off by more than a percent or so um that means it's from it's not from from Earth. Um these were off by up to like 30%.

>> What were the elements and what were the isotopes? Um uh the first one I think it was boron uh boron and copper and um there were there were um uh similar results from other implants I analyzed and um anyway the the structure of the device was um a gray hard to cut membrane um and below that a um a layer of uh material that was similar to bone like a biological hard part like bone or mother of pearl. Then below that a um

metallic core with um uh made of meteoric iron with carbon nanot tubes inside the metal and um nerve cells connected to the device. Um the pain in my toe got worse over a period of days and um um led to um a lot of uh electric shock type pain whenever I put any weight on the toe. Um and um I think that was the nerve cells growing in the device. Um these devices also produce no um uh

physiological reaction in the body and that's unheard of. Foreign objects always produce a physiological response. >> So there's no immune response. >> No immune response, right? >> Really interesting. And could these elements and isotopes theoretically have been uh produced in some sort of You could, but uh in order to produce those exact ratios, it would probably cost millions of dollars and be very difficult to do. >> So the question is why? >> And why would anybody do that? >> Why would anybody do that?

>> Um do you remember undergoing some sort of alien abduction experience prior to that being? >> I didn't remember it consciously, but I underwent regressive hypnosis and remembered uh aliens putting in the device. Yeah. >> What was that experience like? Um well, they um two um uh gray small gray beings uh came into my room and um woke me up and said, "Come outside." And I put on um uh these steel toe boots I

you're familiar with that. >> Oh yeah. And um uh the center of the device or craft was an airlock um that had uh human and uh alien space suits available and there were four doors leading to the to the four quadrants of the craft. Then there was a habitation ring around the outside and a pilot station with uh two pilots and um uh appear to be thought controlled. They had their hands in a panel >> and on top of a panel

>> and uh screens where they where they were observing different things. And um they took me around to um the station at 90° to the pilot station. And there was a a a couch that slid out of the wall. And they indicated this guy indicated me for me to lie down. And um uh it was a a taller gray. And um he took out a device that looked like um a black plastic handle with um a piece of

1/4 in uh stainless steel tubing on it and touched it to my toe and um pushed a button and that must have put the implant in. And um um there were uh fiber optics going down the uh the center of this piece of tubing and I think that's what activates the device, the EV light. And I think that's what accounts for um these red marks you see on experiencers too. I think they're mini sunburns from UV light. >> Interesting. And so how long were you up

there for? >> Um about an hour. Um they waited for a long time for orders I think before actually putting in the device cuz I think because they knew it' start an investigation. They weren't sure they wanted that because a bunch of weird stuff had been happening previously. And um um >> where were you living at the time? Uh, Filillmore, California. >> Okay. Fillmore. And was this during at night or? >> Yeah, it was it was a night about 3 in the morning. They usually come about 2 or 3 in the morning. >> Um, and um, so finally after about being

up for about 45 minutes, I go like, "Guys, you know, I'm tired. If you if you're not going to do anything, then uh, let me go back to bed." And that's so they they put the device in at that point. And that didn't take very long once they decided to make up their minds. Are you communicating telepathically with them? >> Yeah, it's telepathically. Yeah. >> Okay. Do you see any symbols around the >> Yeah, there were some some symbols that look like hieroglyphics >> on labeling the instruments on the pilot station and uh on some of the walls. Um,

they had a believe they had a vector a blue vector symbol on the wall, a pretty big uh symbol, and it had two dots, circles below it. And um their uniforms are usually cobalt blue and have um either a um a snake with a uh a snake over a triangle or um three uh orange circles arranged in an equilateral triangle.

>> And um I'm led to believe that um the three u orange circles arranged in an equilateral triangle is the symbol of the gray alliance. The the uh grays are not one species. There were like several I believe seven different species of similar aliens that um are bound by treaty and come within come to us from planets within 100 light years of here. >> Where how are you getting that? >> Uh I believe they told me. >> Oh, they told you that. And

uh what else did they tell you? >> Uh a lot of stuff about physics and um propulsion. Most of which I can't remember consciously. >> Do you remember anything about the physics and propulsion? >> Uh yeah. Yeah. Um they use a combination of or several methods to create anti-gravity and they they definitely have anti-gravity drives and um they use uh like three different methods to create um anti-gravity. >> Do you remember the methods? >> Yeah, one of one is is a home polar generator. Um it if you take a disc, the

basic homopolar generator is a disc uh uh metallic disc rotating uh in a perpendicular magnetic field and it creates a voltage between the the center and the outside of the disc. And um the aliens use a version of that u to create most of their lift where um they uh molten metal around the outside of the craft that's magnetic uh from uh analyzing samples of the material that were dropped. I think it's usually a a mixture of um iron and

silicon. The silicon is probably in there lower the melting point. And um there's a strong magnetic field um between the top and bottom of the craft. That's why uh the um uh that's why equipment like uh car electrical systems goes out when a UFO is near because of the very strong magnetic field. And um they also um use a method um called the Biffield Brown effect to generate a lift where um you rapidly

amplify the the gravitational effect. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. I'm I'm obsessed with Towns and Brown. So I that gets me excited. The fact that there's some, you know, >> corroboration from an experiencer that, you know, maybe that that is how the craft actually works. Many institutions and people have tried to either downplay or falsify Brown's experiments. For example, in 1990, the Air Force tested a Biffield Brown experiment in a vacuum, but they only used 19 kovts instead of

the mega voltage Brown was using. But in 1956, Jacqu Cornion, a French Air Force officer and technical representative for one of France's largest aircraft companies, sued west, facilitated Brown's experiments in a vacuum in the Montgier facility in Paris. >> The tests were very very very tricky. It was sensitive to so so many things in finally it worked. So that was a positive result.

>> Did they say anything else? So, they're giving you all this insight into the into the physics. >> Uh, they talked about time travel quite a bit um and the physics of that. >> What did they say? >> They said that um that they have time travel. They don't like to use it very much because um and especially don't like to do long jumps because you could um if you travel back in time too far, you could get back on a different timeline and it would be difficult to get back to your own. Uh that's the main reason. Um there's um the many worlds

interpretation of quantum mechanics is um is uh generally correct except that um uh minor decisions I'm not sure how the universe decides what's a minor decision and what's a major one but um minor uh decisions in quantum mechanics uh where something happens on a subatomic scale um most of those uh just collapse on themselves and don't become a separate timeline but some do. Hm. So this is this idea that the wave function doesn't actually collapse. It sort of infinitely branches. But you're saying

that in certain cases >> it's a combination. Some some most of them collapse, but some of them continue on and become a different timeline. >> Makes rough sense. That's interesting. >> Yeah. And then the the ones that do continue on are as real as this one. >> And um if you go back uh too far and then try to go forward again, there's a chance you might end up on one of those branch points. went across one of the Browns points and end up on a different timeline. >> Did they connect the you know quote unquote anti-gravity with the time travel because Biffield Brown effect and

Towns and Brown himself was very interested in time travel because of the relationship between gravity and time and general relativity. >> Well, the way they move faster than light is that they they use the anti-gravity drive to open up a >> And um I'm not sure how they um they choose where the other opening of the wormhole is, but they they can do that somehow. And then they'll go through it and uh go a few million kilometers before the wormhole collapses cuz wormholes are unstable. And um they can do the same thing with time. They just open up a wormhole in a different time

they brought him back to life. >> Whoa. Why does Roger Leer think that? because um Travis was thrown like 20 feet by um either a weapon or getting a shock from the electric field around the craft and um he um wasn't moving uh when he was flying through the air or when he landed on the ground and um all the people in his logging crew thought he was dead. >> That is definitely true. Did any of these beings uh tell you why they were doing what they were doing to you? Did

they give you any sort of sense as to why they would implant your toe of all >> Um that it was a medical monitoring device is my understanding uh to or monitor things like blood sugar and body temperature and things like that. >> Why why you is it just like this thing that they it's like if we go to the zoo we tag the animals sort of thing or what do you what do you think? Uh it's kind of like that except that um it's they do this to to only bloodlines that they're interested in and um they have an MMO

where they um they um uh genetically they they abduct pregnant women from bloodlines they're interested in and genetic genetically modify the fetus. >> What determines which bloodlines they might be interested in? >> I'm not sure. That would be a closely guarded secret on their side, but um mainly they're interested in uh in Germanic, uh Celtic, and Native American >> There are exceptions, but um they're looking for some sort of uh genetic combination that those particular races

have in more abundance. >> Fascinating. Okay, so you have this Anything Anything else? By the way, I I always I feel like with experiences, I'm always like, damn, I should have asked that one more thing about like what the what the being said. Was there anything else you can recall >> um but but them telling me? >> Yeah. Anything they told you? >> Well, the part about them um uh being an alliance of seven different races coming from planets within 100 lighty years of

um I remember that uh pretty distinctly. Oh, and they also told me that um that the Earth is a very important planet to a lot of races and that um planets that have some life are pretty common, but um planets that are teameming with life like this are are not common at all. He said there's only four or five like it in the galaxy. >> And um >> so they want to preserve uh life on the planet and uh they are worried we're going to screw it up.

Yeah, that seems to be a common theme uh among experiencers as far as what gets >> Oh, and they told me that there's there's pyramids all over the galaxy. They're evidently um uh power sources and sources of healing rather than >> You know, it's funny you say this. I feel like 20 years ago in conventional archaeological circles, they would have said that that's totally quacky. And now you have people like Christopher Dunn, who's, you know, I don't know if you're familiar with this guy. He's like a former aerospace guy coming out saying,

you know, that uh it looks like the pyramid is some sort of power plant. And now we actually have synthetic aperture radar scans underneath the pyramids that where it looks like there might be these sort of coiling uh uh columns, these these hollow tubes that go down possibly a kilometer deep. >> So you have increasing speculation. We know that there have never been any tombs found in these structures. Yeah. >> And we were just talking earlier that below Dander, you actually have hieroglyphics that translate to >> The Egyptians talk about Stargates.

>> Do they? >> Dude, go to uh where is it? Um Dandera. There's actually a couple places the literal translation. You can read it on the walls. I always show people when we go there. Uh it is there are two or three depictions of Stargates. That is the literal translation for it. We know there are actually little chambers where a human could probably lie in and and you know some of these I think in the great pyramid. >> Yeah. Yeah. That that uh uh sarcophagus they called it in in the queen's chamber. It's probably a healing device.

>> Um I have a theory where um gravity is not a a uh pulling force but a pushing force. It's um if you're accelerating through space you experience inertia. If space is accelerating towards you, you experience gravity >> and um uh zero point energy is turned into real energy in the cores of planets and stars and that creates a partial vacuum in the ether that um that causes the ether to accelerate towards that gravitating body

>> and um that creates gravity. >> So you I mean this is there's so many different threads I want to Yeah. It's like the um you know the the movie uh Stargate literally with Kurt Russell you know the Air Force actually consulted on that and it's like that it's this portal or something and then it would explain the astronomical alignment the idea that all the ancient civilizations thought that the souls actually the soul moved through Orion's belt which it seems you know aligned with. Um but there are some interesting questions I I feel like I have to press on that arise from what

you just said. the ether, you know, they say was disproved in the 1890s with the Michaelelsson Moley experiment. >> It wasn't it wasn't disproved. Even Einstein said in his later lectures that um there could be an ether, although it would have to be multi-dimensional and have uh strange properties. Well, that's that's that's the case. I mean the ether um I I believe they told me this too but other people have come up with this theory that um that uh the ether is composed of tiny particles that are um

on the order of the plon mass and the plon dimensions. They're like 10 to the 20th times smaller than an atomic nucleus. And they they have a magnetic and electric dipole moment. And they interact with each other much more strongly than they interact with uh ordinary matter. And um matter going through it without accelerating um does not experience a force because it acts like a super fluid. But when it's accelerating, there's a there's an electromagnetic drag force that they call the people that people that uh

believe in this theory call the rindler um which uh causes inertia and um um uh you can actually derive Newton's second law by assuming a spatial structure of that nature. >> Whoa. Who's like developed this theory? >> I several several physicists I don't recall their names off hand but I can look it up for you. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to. Yeah. No, you're right that um later Einstein said

general relativity is not actually incompatible with the ether. So that is an important and then I would also say about the Michaelelsson Mley experiment you know the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Yeah. >> And so we we we just don't know you know but I do think >> yeah that's this kind of hotly debated contested thing. So it's a very interesting theory. But >> in the Michael Michael experiment, the ether is probably being dragged by the instrument itself that might account for the results of no uh observable um uh

ether movement. But um there was another guy named Milikin, I believe his name was, um that actually did come up with some positive results for uh e motion through the ether. >> That's interesting. I didn't know that about Robert. Robert Milikin was at Caltech and Towns and Brown actually studied under him and uh then they kind of got into it because Milikin didn't really believe in Brown's stuff. Ironically, Brown believed what you said which is that gravity is more of a push than a pull. >> And so you're saying cuz Milikin did a lot of the experimental proving of the

Einstein's photoelectric effect from 1905. Yeah. >> But I didn't know that he had something to do with the ether and detecting the ether. That's fascinating. >> Yeah. Yeah. He he he said he detected it and he was a pretty highowered uh >> Oh wow. I >> He didn't detect it directly, but he detected um Earth's motion through by an experiment on Mount Wilson, I believe it >> Wow. Fascinating. Well, I'll have to look into that. Um you know, it's it's interesting. We we take so many things for granted that we've never detected like dark matter and but the ether is

like completely like we're not allowed to talk about. It's like a dirty word or >> Yeah. I don't I don't think I believe in dark matter after 50 years of experimentation. There's no evidence for it at all. So, and you don't you don't really even need dark matter to explain the results. The reason they they postulated dark matter in the first place is because um the uh of the motion of the galaxies. um they they behave as though um there's u either either gravity is acting as an inverse linear force at those distances or um there's um a halo of of massive u matter above

and below the galaxy. Well um the um postulating that gravity is an inverse linear force at those distances is actually a simpler explanation than postulating some unknown form of matter. Yeah, I think you're right because dark I would bet against dark matter and dark energy. The dark energy is not one of the four fundamental forces. It's this sort of you know just >> I think dark energy is a zero point >> That's what's causing the earth or the universe to expand uh more rapidly rather than supposed to be slowing down

according to Einstein. But >> uh dark energy aka um uh 0 energy is causing the expansion to accelerate. >> It's fascinating. Quantum vacuum >> right? Yeah. I mean, okay, we could have a whole other discussion on physics. I want to stick with the So, you you experience this kind of profound thing. You end up with this, you know, um implant in your toe. So, you don't know what's happened at that point because you haven't gotten a hypnotic regression is that point. >> Yeah. I I didn't know I didn't remember

what happened. I just I woke up and I knew that I had had an implant in my toe. The aliens had been there in the middle of the night. And I had uh one in one more on the side of my head, too. >> Really? You had >> my my my head kind of hurt right there. >> And uh that shows up in a stud finder. >> Okay. Wow. And then you get in touch with Roger Lear. >> And you email him. >> Um I just went to his office. >> Okay. He just showed up. I had just made an appointment and and went over there and and um told him I had a possible

foreign object in my toe and in the middle of the appointment I uh told him that uh it was a it was a possible alien implant or an abduction related excuse me. I don't think he believed me at at first, but um uh he gave me a prescription to get it x-rayed. And um I he he said to give a copy of the film to the patient and I definitely saw something on the X-ray and that was >> That is extremely wild. What did it look

like? Like I tell people too that there's a heck of a difference between uh strongly suspecting that something like this is going on with you, which I had for years, and knowing for sure. And proof like that, you know, for sure. >> Um what it looked like. It looked like a piece of uh bent piece of wire on on the X-ray. And it was um it was uh larger uh in real life when we took it out than it looked on the X-ray. >> Wild. Okay. So, you see this X-ray and

then do you have a hypnotic regression and you remember the full experience with these alien beings? >> Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. >> And is Roger Leer at that point kind of bought into the extraterrestrial or or other entity, non-human hypothesis or does he think? >> Yeah, he was he was excited. Um he wanted to come over and check out my house and we found all kinds of anomalies, anomalous magnetic fields, um leaves and the uh the trunk of the avocado tree had become magnetized. Um, and uh, in the kitchen, stainless steel knives would become magnetized and the

wood of the cabinets and all kinds of stuff. Wood seems to be very susceptible to magnetization by alien equipment. >> I think normally it wouldn't be, >> right? Yeah. >> It's either a magnetic monopole or magnetic fields beyond a certain strength leave a a residue. Um, >> uh, magnetic monopoles make a certain amount of sense. It would be a um it would be ether that had a magnetic charge to it that would be absorbed into the material and it seems to uh decay away over a period of several weeks. >> And how many uh implants did Roger Lear

>> He removed a total of I believe 17 from uh 17 different people. >> Wow. And how many have you removed? >> Um I I haven't removed any. I don't have a license to to operate on people. >> Okay. But you sort of look into this stuff. I I attend I attended the last three removal surgeries including my >> And how many have you seen like >> I've seen probably six or seven. >> Wow. And uh does any of part of you or does any part of you know from your conversations with Roger Lear think that

this could have been human tech? >> Um no. Uh most of them did not like look look like human tech at all to us. And there was reason to believe that that uh the materials came from uh not only from space but from other part of our galaxy. But um we did find or he did find one or two that looked like human tech that looked like just standard microchips. >> Whoa. And so so such a crazy territory to kind of operate in or think about. So, you think there are maybe a couple

that represent I mean, what would those microchips have come out? >> Well, the government's experimenting with implants, too, but they're they're much less sophisticated than the ones the aliens use, and they're much bigger. >> Yeah. And and that would make sense. I mean, the I mean, the Yeah, the government has had like sort of mind control programs, you know, MK Ultra sort of stuff. Yeah. and they probably have used chips and so but these things are they have so they have isotope ratios that don't normally occur on Earth that would cost millions of dollars to create an entri um any other

sort of abnormalities or anomalies. >> Well, I I noticed that uh in in three of the implants that um had the isotopic abnormalities the the heavier isotopes in those elements were over represented. I I talked to people who really did analyze the stuff from the real deal stuff and it's super weird. It's like heavy element >> um you know europium California stuff. It's like in these atomic arrangements >> that make like no sense. You know this is through X-ray defraction where they

can image the shadows of the atomic pairs and stuff and it's like why? >> Yeah. is all these crazy heavy elements in this like weird ceramic metal hole structure and it doesn't we don't understand the emergent metamaterial >> So it was either it's either either they come from closer to the center of the galaxy where there's heavier supernova. All these heavy elements are created in supernova explosions where there's a massive cascade of neutrons in one part of the explosion and rapid neutron

capture creates these uh elements heavier than iron and um uh it so it's either either that or the elements had been exposed to a massive quantity of u of neutrons. >> Um either way it's very uh very strange and most likely um way beyond human >> Yeah. And a lot of neutrons would be outside the Van Allen radiation belt or something, you know, a lot of >> or in a in a reactor or a zeroplane energy uh energy generator.

>> Also, the the noim immune reaction. It's like ner you think of Elon Musk as the tip of the spear with technology and you know he had all these issues with the you know electrode implants in people's brains where there would be immune reactions. Even to this day, I believe Nolan Arba, the first patient, I think might need some like tweaking after like the first thing worked because of this sort of immune reaction issue. >> Oh yeah, Dr. Lur told me that um um any foreign object in the body produces an

an immune reaction. Silicone produces the least immune reaction of all substances known, but even that produces a fair amount um as a lot of women that got silicone breast implants could >> Mhm. But uh these produce none whatsoever. It it's just very beyond >> Do you notice commonalities in behavioral patterns changing from some of these patients? it's I I think there are some changes, but it's they're hard to to notice. I

know that when I had uh my toe implant, it was like very subtle, but it was like uh there was some sort of a of a governor put in my thoughts or and I felt more free once it was removed. It's it's but it was very subtle. >> And um people were telling me that I I didn't look well, that I had a gray complexion or something when I had the >> So it affected you in sort of a negative >> apparently. Yeah. >> Why do you think it's so strange? Ideally, you know, the alien tech or

whatever would, you know, be so so, you know, if it's not creating an immune reaction, it wouldn't, you know, suppress your thoughts in any sort of negative way. >> Oh, maybe maybe what they told me about it being a monitoring device was just a cover story. Maybe they were trying to produce some changes or something. >> It's fascinating. >> But, um, they um um they definitely um were were hesitant to put it in because they knew it'd start an investigation. And uh I I suspected that that I was an experiencer for years that had missing time experiences and had uh no other way to

account for them. But um it's kind of easier to be easy to be in denial if you don't have any real concrete proof. >> It's a wild conversation for me because you seem like a very smart guy and then a lot of these things are just so so out there. Do did um >> I mean I wouldn't even entertain I'm a scientist. I wouldn't even entertain a lot of this stuff if I didn't have >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's you're you're backing up all your claims. So, it's it's really amazing. Um, Dr. Roger Lear, did you find him to be, you know, fully kind of bought into

the kind of non-human hypothesis as the origin for >> Yeah, he he was fully uh fully bought into the um uh extraterrestrial hypothesis. Yeah. >> And he said it was 17 or 18 implants that he removed to >> 17 I believe. Yeah, >> And um and he had no background in this. He was just a podiatrist. And >> yeah, he thought it was ridiculous at first, too. But um >> did he stumble upon a per like there was one of his patients or something and he pulled it out? >> He went to he went to um a convention, I think the UFO Congress, and um he met

Daryl Sims there who was um the original guy on implants and um uh he tried to convince Dr. Lyer that it was worth looking into and Dr. Lar said, "Ah, you're full you're full of it and everything." And uh a friend another friend of Dr. earlier uh convinced him to go take another look. And he he went back and told Sims that that um you know, if you can get some patients out here that have these things, um I'll X-ray them and take the object out if it's there and we'll find out what it >> Did Lear ever try to write an academic

paper on any of this stuff? >> Yeah, he he and I tried to write a paper and we tried to publish it in the Journal of Scientific Exploration and um they um first they first they said they were excited to have it. Then I think somebody got to him and they said that um it was ridiculous. They didn't want to publish it. And um we weren't even saying it was alien. We just said it was an unknown object recovered from from somebody's uh somebody's leg. >> And um um they um they really uh gave us a hard time about it. And um I I'm I'm

pretty sure that somebody told him not to publish it. >> That's so crazy. It's like Yeah, because it's funny. You can go on chat GPT and they say Roger Leer has no academically, you know, uh, peer-reviewed papers or whatever. It's like, you tried, you >> did try. >> And it's it's funny. I think you always have to sanitize the results and just say, "No, we found something anomalous." Like, we don't we don't we're not even jumping to conclusions. But even then, sometimes there's this sort of antibbody rejection of a lot of these findings. There's a a friend of mine, Beatatric Vrial. She's a an astronomer um from

Stockholm University. Um and she's yeah PhD out there and she uh basically from the the Palomar Observatory uh which was you know one of the most prominent uh you know observatories in use in the in the 40s and 50s uh she noticed all sorts of uh these what look like essentially UFO like objects these these light reflecting objects that look like kind of mirrors >> in orbit. >> In orbit. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> In geo. >> Yeah. They they they recruited Clyde

UFOs that actually go out and sort abduct people and such. So fascinating because the other the other thing is, you know, I go back and forth on the moon landing stuff where I if I'm if I'm debating with the skeptic on the moon landing, it's like I'm I'm extremely open to us having actually landed on the moon, but there something's off about the whole story. Something is off. >> Well, they're they're concealing a lot. There's a lot up there they don't want people to see >> that. So, it's like maybe they saw something along the way, you know.

>> And um interesting uh that you should mention the moon stuff. Um I found out um that um Apollo 13 may not have failed by a mechanical problem. It may have been zapped by the aliens because they may have had a nuclear warhead on board. >> How did you find that out? Well, I I I I can't prove it, but it was the next logical step in their seismic uh program where um Apollo 11 put a seismograph on the moon and so did Apollo 12 >> and it rang like a bell. >> On Apollo 12, they crashed the ascend

stage of the lunar module into the moon and it rang like a bell for hours. >> Then um uh on Apollo 13 when they were approaching the moon, they they crashed the third stage of the Saturn 5 into the moon and made a bigger bang and rang like a bell for even longer. And um so if Apollo 13 had landed on the moon, they would have had three seismic graphs and would have been able to probably map the interior of the moon a little bit um uh with the seismic waves that would be generated by another event and the the

next logical step would have been to um put a remote detonated small nuclear device on the moon and detonated after the astronauts leave. >> Jesus. So, but you you're just hypothesizing that you have no evidence >> I have I have no real evidence. But one thing that made me really suspicious that this might be true is that um I remember when I was a kid uh following this mission and um uh when the lunar module was coming back to Earth, the uh atom the atomic energy commission was just going ape over this and they wanted

the lunar module um uh put on a trajectory that would put it into a deep ocean trench. And their level of concern was they they said it was because it had a radioisotope thermmoelectric generator on board, but their their level of concern was a lot more consistent with it being a warhead. >> Whoa, that's fascinating. So, they were that freaked out. >> Yeah, they even though it might endanger the astronaut's lives to do that, they wanted that thing crashed into a deep ocean trench. And >> uh they've had RTGs on spacecraft before that have re-entered that they weren't

that concerned about. >> it's really interesting. Yeah, it's funny. You know, there's a actually an Air Force project that's documented called Project A119, and it was literally to nuke the moon as a show of force against the Soviets. And Carl Sean actually had a temporary clearance that >> to look to look into doing this. So, we know that >> in the late 50s, obviously, before the Saturn and Apollo projects, that this was being considered. >> So, who knows? I mean, you might be right, man. It's really interesting. Well, I know that I know that if um if

there were no aliens on the moon or anything else like that to worry about. I think I think the grays own the moon, by the way, and they told us not to come back without permission anyway. And uh >> You think they said don't come back without permission? >> Well, Armstrong Armstrong was overheard at a party saying that. >> Really? What party? >> Uh some party in Washington DC with big wigs and several people said that that he said that. And he said that the gray >> that's hearsay but >> the grays said don't come back >> until we give you permission >> something without affecting

>> any other details there. Um uh well um some people at NA some whistleblowers at NASA said that um that he was on a private channel after landing on the moon um and um said that uh that uh a spacecraft landed on the moon right after they did a few mile a couple miles away and were watching him and um um it was probably the same one that they said they saw following him. Um uh the the whole uh Apollo 11 crew um

said a few years ago on on television that um that there was some object following him to the moon that they thought it was the third stage of their of their booster at first, but NASA confirmed that it that that the booster was like 700 miles away. And this this object was maybe only about 5 or 10 miles from them. >> Jesus Christ. And you have you definitely have documented audio from the Gemini missions of them. And then there's a literally like they're freaking out about um UFOs. There's an outage, you know, showing some sort of

electromagnetic anomaly present. And then in the I have this um book actually, the Simpson uh textbook that shout out to my buddy Chris Ramsey from the great show Area 52. He uh made me aware of this book where this UFO is like airbrushed into the photo for the Gemini 11 mission >> where it's this like kind of tongue-in-cheek joke if you're you know this is official NASA archivist airbrushed this UFO which looks like the best UFO photo ever. Well, the astronauts used to admit to it long ago

before the security was that tight and um um and um I think they were seeing these things uh almost every mission in the early days. So wild. How many people do you think are walking around with alien implants inside of them? >> Well, the people that they implant uh they they've they've abducted about 3% of the American population. According I think that's about right. It's between probably between 3 and 5% to take samples. What is he basing that off of? Is this like sort of census style like

his own his own research and extrapolation, right? Okay. >> And um >> uh based on what I have seen um most uh most what I call class 2 experiencers that are actually at at the next level part of the alien program um have implants, but the the first class where they just take samples from do not generally. And um uh about um I would say very roughly about one in a thousand people are class 2 experiencers in this in this country

and it's might be similar worldwide. I'm not sure. Um so if that's the case then say there's 350 million people in the u in the US. Uh that that would be about uh 350,000 people. >> It's a lot of people walking around with implants. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. It's like 10 10 to 15 million for experiencers overall and then class 2 experiencers who get the implants around a few hundred thousand. >> And it's standard procedure for for them to put a brain implant into class 2 experiencers that enables them to um access your sensory information to uh

see what you're seeing and hear what you're hearing and probably hear what you're thinking in real time. >> So you're like an almost an avatar or something like they're you're this perceptual like drone for them or something. It turns you into a walking bug and it and it connects you to the gray hive mind. They told me that too. And uh all all individuals in their society are connected to a hive of mind kind of like the Borg on Star Trek but they have a little bit more individuality than that. And um um every experience they have is recorded. And um

uh they um so if if all these people are implanted um then they presumably only put um the brain implants into people that they can get some good information from. So >> being that that's the case, they probably know everything that's going on in the society. M we have Eric Mitchell here who um we did an amazing show with yesterday and he's you know what you might call kind of a super experiencer. You guys are friends. >> You found a few different implants and

Eric is that is that right or >> I don't remember what the results were off hand. Um my records got stolen recently but um I'd like to do the the exam again but yeah I saw some indications of implants and and Eric and uh we found some dies on them recently. the alien dies. We haven't talked about that yet. >> So, before we get to the dyes, the implants, what are what are we calling indicators of implants? >> Um, well, I have a protocol that um uh it's uh mostly Dr. Leer's protocol that he that he turned me on to. And um you

um first uh inspect the patient with a um a stud finder, a small metal detector that detects conductive objects into the skin and concentrate on any areas of concern first. um where they think they might have an implant from anything they remember um or any symptoms they might have had. And um um if if you record the areas where you get stud finder heads, then you go over the person with um a G meter a sensitive magnetometer. And if

you get if you get an area that has a stud finder and a gas meter hit, um that's almost certainly an implant because these these implants uh almost always have magnetic fields. >> So, have you had a stud finder and uh magnetometer? You know, the scouse finder uh hit for Eric. >> I think we had I think we had two >> Eric, do you remember where exactly they detected one of these implants? uh back to my neck

>> um my arm and Dr. Lear uh he thought maybe there might be one in my knee. It was like a weak signal. So he send me a 100 pound neodymium magnet >> which uh I should have been very careful opening that box a little more careful like uh you know it was like a cartoon. There was >> probably dangerous. >> Yeah, it was dangerous. Um, but he wanted me to um hold it to my knee maybe 10 minutes a day, you know, watching TV or something like that, put it back in

the bubble wrap, make sure it's safe, and then pull it back out the next night and keep doing that. And he didn't think that it would pull uh it to the surface. He he theorized that it would create like an Eddie bubble, an Eddie effect to kind of loosen it from the tissue and bring it, you know, to the surface, which actually worked. And so do you have any uh like incisions or marks or like you know any sort of raised skin where either of these implants are? >> Okay. Have you removed anything?

>> No. Okay. No. Two weeks before I was supposed to meet with Dr. Roger there uh in um uh Eureka Springs, Arkansas, he uh unfortunately passed away. Um yeah, the um the portals of entry with these implants u uh heal incredibly fast. Um mine healed within hours. So >> You um Yeah, you're not going to find anything like that. >> How many implants do you have like photo evidence of?

six or seven, I think. >> Could you send some of those over? It'd be cool to show them to the audience in >> Sure. Yeah. >> Sweet. Thank you. And um >> So what are you working on now? What is what is is it Neutron Nano Star Tech? >> Yeah. I have a company called Neutron Star Technologies and um uh Neutron Star Nano Technologies is like a spin-off of that. And um I've been um um just um trying to get that funded and um utilize

some of the carbon nanot tube knowledge I have to maybe produce some products. And I've been doing scans on uh >> And um I've done probably 400 scans on um on people. And uh >> so of those 400 scans, how many produce a hit? Um, well, it's it's a pre-selected audience, so um, probably about half >> about half. W. >> Interesting. And at this point, are you sort of you're known as like, you know,

Roger Lear's, you know, living apprentice and so people hit you up. >> Okay. So fascinating. What What how old were you when you had your experience? Uh, I remember having experience at age five where um I think that's when they put the brain implant in uh where I remember um um waking up uh before dawn and seeing a a bright yellow um lit up UFO um disshaped UFO hovering over my

parents house. And um then I I watched it for a couple of minutes and blacked out. Then uh woke up about uh 8:00 in the morning and the sun was up and um I um had blood all down the front of me and uh had a vague memory of somebody putting something up something something up my nose. >> Jesus. And this was so this is age five. This is well before the toe experience. >> And where are you living at the time? >> Oxnard, California. >> Okay. What did your parents do?

>> Um not much. They just uh so he had a nose bleed and that's >> wild. I mean, what did they do >> My dad was a dentist um and um was uh a colonel in the Army Reserve and uh my my mother was uh his assistant at one point uh and bookkeeper at one point and was a housewife the rest of the time. >> And they they did did they freak out when they saw you with blood running down or what was their reaction? >> Not really. I mean, um,

uh, my parents were, um, not the type that freaked out about that sort of thing. >> And that might be, uh, because of alien conditioning. I I would >> Did they have their own experiences? >> Uh, my father admitted much later that uh, he had he'd had dreams of being on board a UFO and he said he said he saw a UFO uh, one time over um, central California. Wild as a cylindrical UFO with a red light on the front of his

>> as a as a um colonel in the reserves. Did he have any sort of affiliation with any possible reverse engineering programs or like deeper spookier? >> I don't I don't I don't think so, but I think there's a lot he he was uh reluctant to tell me. And um he said he did call um the um uh military uh the nearest military airfield to where he had the sighting and reported it. >> Yeah, it's fascinating. And so Okay. So, wow. So, you're 5 years old. You see

this bright object. Do you remember vividly being on that craft? No, you don't. Okay. So, you just wake up. >> I think they came I think they came down into my room to put it in that time. >> And you have And you Where's the implant? It's It's What was it? It's it's in the brain. It's in the frontal loes of the brain. >> And do you still have it there? >> I'm sure I do. >> And um I've got one above each ear apparently. Um uh I wasn't sure about those. I saw them on X-ray barely, but they're really really small. Wow. >> And but they started giving off they

started giving off radio signals during a Japanese TV show I was I was uh >> Oh my god. How do I know they're there >> What were you doing on Japanese TV? Um, they wanted to interview somebody with >> Wow. And you since you had you you're 5 years old and you have blood all over and gee that's traumatic, man. That's like a tough crazy thing to go through. >> Well, uh, this experience is pretty traumatic for a lot of people. >> Um, it's like there's certain advantages to it. Um, u, you get to fly in space. I

mean, a lot of these abductions are take place on great mother ships in orbit. >> Yeah. Um and uh I remember I remember seeing the earth from space uh being up there and um but um you just have to take the the bad with the good. I mean I I hate to tell people um this but these people are way too powerful to fight. >> Um then they're experts at mind control. They can make you do anything you want, anything they want you to do willingly. >> Of the That's a I don't even know how to

answer to to talk about that. In the in the 200 out of the 400 that you personally found implants in. Um, do these people have usually UFO experiences associated with the implants or in certain cases are is it like people coming into their room sort of uh they usually remember um seeing UFOs and or remember being on on board UFOs, but um it's both. I mean, sometimes they

come into your room and uh do whatever they need to do, and other times um they come and get you and take you up up to orbit and if they want to do anything special or whatever. Do you think at any point in time some of the mind control stuff we discussed earlier uh was like aliens were used as sort of some sort of smoke screen for that? Like it was like uh there's a book called uh controllers by a guy named Martin Cannon and he talks about MK Ultra but then the air MK often and how there are implants

involved in some of these things and how they would shade people's experiences to make them think that they were alien. And to be honest, it's kind of a slim, poorly researched book that doesn't for me explain everything neatly at all. But uh yeah, what's your what's your take? >> I think that that may occur. I think that MK Ultra might might do that sometimes, but I think that the vast majority of the um experiences people have are uh more or less what happened and really are aliens. Um I I have no

doubt in my mind that that the aliens are here and they exist and there's more than one species involved. >> Yeah. I mean there's so many cases that I also encounter where I'm like you just can't explain that with with you know human prosic tech. I do find it interesting you were at you were at UCLA in the 80s. Yeah. >> You know who was head of the uh UCLA psychiatry department at that time? Are you aware of >> um I probably was but >> guy named Jolly West. Did you ever interact with him at all? >> No. No. >> He was like a head honcho in the MK

>> Well, yeah, I'm not surprised. Um, I did used to work at the UCLA Neurossychiatric Institute as a researcher for about 5 years. >> Okay. Okay. >> I he probably had authority over that uh that branch. I bet >> he might have. Yeah. I don't know. But definitely a spooky not great guy. I think he got in trouble for like dosing up an elephant with ridiculous amount of LSD and then the elephant died and he's on record uh there are letters between him and Sydney Gotautle and he he there's a great book called Chaos by

a guy named Tom O'Neal who's become a friend of mine and he basically has this hypothesis that Charles Manson was this MK Ultra patient and it's a really crazy >> he may have been I think I think that um that that guy that um shot uh Um >> MK Yeah. >> Ultra guy and I think I think Siran Srian that shot Robert Kennedy was too. >> I think so as well. Yeah. Yeah. So that's this is a weird threat but so

there's that stuff and then the Do you think what do you think these the the implants are doing when it comes to the alien? You think it's just it's just tagging? It's biometrics and and then maybe there's some mind control stuff going on. It's perceptual hacking. >> I I don't know. I don't know all the details of of what they do. Um um they keep that the aliens keep that mostly secret, but I think some of them are medical monitoring devices. Some of them are tracking devices. Um and uh some are

um the brain implants actually enable them to uh hear and see what you're hearing and seeing seeing in real time. Do does um any of the structure that you've investigated um kind of allow you to see what the functionality might be like cuz you're you're looking into you know nanotechnology so presumably this would use nanotechnology. >> They do. Yeah. They're they're sophisticated nanotechnological devices. Um most of them have carbon nanot tube electronics built into the metal and that's beyond our technology. M

>> um and there's strange structures. I can show you some of the electron microraphs. Um >> and um there's very strange structures that um would be beyond our technology to form right now. Um I'm not sure what they do, but I suspect that has something to do with uh uh emitting the radio signals. >> Of a lot of these people you encounter, um is it usually grays? Is it sometimes Nordics or reptilians or some of these other sort of archetypes? >> Um I remember seeing um mostly different

types of grays um on board on board the craft. The the real short worker type grays and the the ones about 4 and 1/2 ft tall that I call the scientist engineer types. And um uh I have a handler that's one of those. And um >> I think most most class two experiences have a handler. >> What what do you when you say handler? What does that mean? a a contact person that that is in charge of your case on board ship. >> so a being. >> Yeah. Being. Yeah. >> And how do you like are you still

telepathically in touch with that handler or something or >> uh I have reason to believe I am. Yeah. I think he's hearing hearing this whole conversation right now. >> what's up handler? and uh uh they record um everything that uh is experienced by every member of their society and that includes class 2 experiencers. Uh when you get the brain implant it connects you to the great high mind like I said >> this is wild. Does does any part of you think that humans discovered, you know, there's this I think in um early 2000s

there was this concern of the like runaway gray goo nanotech, you know, scenarios and nanotech was all the rage in the early 2000s and then it sort of like went away. And does any part of you think that humans can do any of this stuff like in deep black contexts? I think that that nanotechnology is not that dangerous as long as you don't design some uh some microp probe that's >> Um and but um >> yeah, that was the Grey Goose scenario. >> Even if even if you did, I'm not sure it

would be all that dangerous. But um I think what is dangerous is AI. If they ever do develop true self-aware AI, I think that would be extraordinarily >> Yeah, seems like >> the aliens don't believe in it. So I think that's why >> They believe in computers, but they They're controlled by um by mines. >> Do you think there are good and bad factions of aliens or do you think they're all good or all bad or >> No, I think there's good and bad factions. Um >> the beings that implanted you think good

or bad or >> they're mainly out for themselves. Um but they're not all they're not scum sucking evil either. I mean, they they they want um humanity to mature into a peaceful more peaceful species and become members of the Galactic uh Federation or whatever you want to call it. And but they're mostly here to um mine the Earth and the Moon and collect biological samples. >> I mean, that that seems reasonable and not not bad. Um what do you think of modern dis?

>> But they don't they don't care about the suffering they inflict on people. That's that's one bad thing about them. um that they everything is for the group with them. They're they're a collective >> Um they don't care about individuals and they they just care about what's best for the group. >> Why do you think they care so much about nuclear? They seem to show up. Some of my favorite interviews have been these guys that are often in their 70s and 80s at this point. They worked at nuclear bases all over the US and in certain cases they board crafts, they have

implants, you know, they're close encounters of the third kind and I guess what you're calling kind of type two, >> you know, abductions or something. >> Yeah. Um, yeah, I think a lot of a lot of mil lot of top military people are implanted and they keep the aliens keep tabs on them, but um I think they don't want us having nukes because um a it makes us too powerful. B, it um it has the great potential to screw up the planet and screw up a lot of their their plans for this place. And C, um it uh

can damage the planet's life force. I reasonably believe there's structures in the ether that um contribute to life on this planet somehow and a nuclear blast could disrupt that at least in the general area where it was detonated. And they they said also that it it screws up their communications and uh leads to problems in other dimensions that they didn't want to go into. >> Yeah. No, that that is interesting about like they seem to show up at nuclear disaster like there's this lit literally

this monk at this Shinto temple in uh Fukushima and when they had their 2011 famous nuclear spill due to the earthquake he was like the the UFO showed up and cleaned up the temple. They were trying to alleviate the who writes about basically a similar experience in Chernobyl and they they measured this like nuclear tower before and after. >> And so I think it goes beyond just them

not wanting us to blow ourselves up. There's something about the ambient electromagnetic radiation of just the earth that is this perfect kind of petri dish, you know, biosphere. >> Yeah. Yeah, that that makes sense. And and there's um maybe the maybe the earth is actually emitting some of this, but there's there's structures in the ether that are lifegiving and that might even resurrect some extinct species at some point in time. And nuclear blast could disrupt that and radiation in general can disrupt that. And um also the the

government's known for years um the the aliens definitely have this technology and the government's known for years that um you can actually affect the decay rate of radioisotopes by certain uh scalar electromagnetic waves. Um scalar waves are are a special form of electromagnetic radiation that is a different structure. It's a more fundamental form of electromagnetic radiation than the transverse waves they talk about in the textbooks. And um it interacts with the nuclei rather than the electrons and atoms like transverse

waves do. >> Explain what a scalar wave is because scalar physics and scalar waves are often thrown around in these super handwavy ways and yet they're often used as terms you know extended electronamic scalar waves by people who I really respect in kind of aerospace world. So what's your definition? They're trying to keep it secret, but um enough has got out to know the basics. Um a guy Dr. Tom Bearden talked about this a lot in his books if you've read any of those.

>> And um anyway, a scalar wave, a transverse wave, EM wave is a um wave that um has the E and the B fields perpendicular to each other and it moves in a manner perpendicular to both. And um the E and the B fields are inphase. In a scalar wave, um the electric and magnetic fields are 90 degrees out of phase and um the magnetic field curves around like that and the electric field um radiates as if it's coming from a

positive or negative charge point and um it uh it's like a sound wave in the ether basically. >> Um and they can travel faster than light. They're not restricted to light >> So I've heard similar things to that. And then the two places I always get frustrated is I'm like have we ever measured a scalar wave? And usually the answer like have we do you think we >> Uh I think they have lots of times. And >> how would we classified labs? But I I I

have reason to believe that I haven't done the experiments yet. I'd love to to get in the lab and do some, but um uh I have some quantum I have reason I have reason to believe that you that you can generate scalar waves with standard radio equipment but a different type of antenna. You'd use a a dome-shaped antenna, a capacitive antenna with um say um say a plastic dome with metal on both sides and you connect the the electrodes of the u of the oscillator to

um each metal metal piece. >> Fascinating. Okay. And why do you think that that design would allow you to transmit scaler wade >> um uh towns and browns work basically? >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, he had an asymmetric capacitor where the negative electrode was larger than the positive electrode. >> But I think basically my sense is that the main thing is big electric field differentials. If you create big electric field differentials, then you can somehow harness the quantum vacuum

fluctuation stuff. >> Yeah, high voltages work better without reason to believe. I I I wish I could uh I wish I had some concrete proof for you, but um just reading all this stuff that's available and thinking about it a lot. I've put this together. >> Um but yeah, I think high voltages should work better for that. >> Yeah, it's very interesting. Yeah, I mean high voltages definitely correlate with high electric field strength and then there are ways to amp up the electric field strength kind of artificially. Yeah. >> As well. But um >> so fascinating. So what are you trying

how do we advance on this topic now? Is this are we just in the stone age when we find these implants? Are we just like we think this works like XYZ but we just have no idea what we're kind of looking at or >> Well, I think the next step is we have to do more research um on the implants, excuse me, while they're still in the body and um try to um u measure exactly how much they're transmitting and um uh try to decode some of the signals and uh after they're removed from the body. I think we need to um we need to try to connect the

connect the um there's uh carbon nanot tube bundles that are like the main connections to the device. We should try stimulating those with with uh uh different voltages and see what happens >> uh under electron microscope or or under microscopy in general. I wouldn't have to be a EM for that I guess. >> Is there anybody else systematically looking into this besides you? >> No. And then the third thing I would do is um use fast atom bombardment to uh shave off uh uh the devices layer by

layer and um map the distribution of elements in each layer >> and the distribution of carbon nanot >> That would be fascinating. I mean if you could do some atom by atom you know analysis that would be also just groundbreaking because if if these things are fabricated on the atomic layer and then that's not something that we can do. >> Yeah. They look like they're grown >> That's so wild. Like they're like they're biological themselves or >> Uh or or nanotechnological like they

look like they were grown by some sort of mechanical life like the Transformers on the the movies. uh that's a handwaving thing, I guess, but that's the best I can do right now. But um putting that putting a device like that so complex together by uh standard methods would be next to impossible I >> And um um the other thing I wanted to say is that um when I first got into this I thought the aliens are probably

only a few hundred years in advance of us technologically but um now I think that uh it might be more like a million years in advance of us. >> Why is that? Well, I've they they show off once in a while and and um and uh show experiencers exactly how far ahead of us they they really are. Um impressed me um was that um they um

zapped my car with some kind of an energy weapon when I was um uh going to Dr. 's office to um uh film um uh him um testing the implant while it was still in the body. And um uh the mechanic said later that the the computer in the car was fried like it was exposed to EMP or something. And uh so I had to walk like they did it was when uh I was in this canyon didn't get any cell phone reception. So I had to walk like 2 miles down the canyon to get

cell phone reception and call him. And um uh he and the film crew showed up and and picked me up and brought me to the office. And when we got to the office, he goes, "Steve, come here. You got to see this." And uh he'd pulled my X-ray out of a stack of X-rays. And um um it was in a stack with about 200 other X-rays. and um he showed it to me and the lettering from the outside of the envelope that the X-ray was in had somehow been transferred to the

developed X-ray film. >> Yeah. I'm not even sure in theory how you could do that. >> So that's like root access to reality levels of manipulation or something. >> Something like that. Um and bizarre. Another time, um, my son and I were, uh, driving to our old vacation place in Bullhead City, Arizona, and we were on Highway 40, out in a remote area, and, um, I saw this, uh, this bright white light hovering over this valley about 5

or 10 miles away. And, and, uh, it was really bright, and I go, "Hey, look, Garrett, there's a UFO." And he goes, "What? I don't He I don't see anything." And I'm like, "How could you not see that? It's like as bright as Venus and um so I was tripping out on that and go well you know and and um then um a few miles down the road uh he started seeing ones that I couldn't see. It's like they can they can control who sees them

>> uh and who doesn't. I don't know how they do that either. >> Yeah. not not only signature management but like unique sign signature management for the person perceiving. >> Yeah, I have I have some some uh theories about how they might manage to cloak themselves in general by various methods. But um >> what do you think it is? >> Selective selective uh uh seeing like that sounds uh a little hard to do. >> That seems really hard to do. Do you like the access to our brains and they have access to the signature management

stuff. Do you think that we have reverse engineering programs and crash retrievalss and all? >> Oh, yeah. I think that's all true. >> Yeah. Do you have any What's your like, you know, highest conviction, hardest evidence on that? Because you seem like an evidence-based person. >> Um, well, I I analyzed some of the um the records from the San Augustine, New Mexico UFO crash and analyzed a piece of um an alien uh orb or sphere from that Taim Man got a hold of. And um >> was this the Booga sphere or

>> No, not the Booga Sphere, but the Boougga is a different uh different design, but um uh this one um was about about this big round and it had um large um vaporized from the looks of it um holes in the the north and the south poles of the sphere. Um the the edges of the holes had been damaged by tremendous heat. And um uh Msan bought it from a farmer that um uh farmed about 100 miles

south of the US south the US border um near Brownsville, Texas on the uh uh east coast of Mexico. >> And um he said that when it crashed um it produced an explosion that killed a cow 100 meters away. >> Wow. And um uh if if there was a strong magnetic field around the craft, which or or which I have reason to believe there was um then um the collapse of the magnetic field is what released the energy that that vaporized the

>> metal at the top and bottom. Why do you think this whole topic it's like it attracts a few really smart people like yourself and then you have so much circumstantial evidence like an abundance of circumstantial evidence and then somehow it's like the one smoking gun that we always want is slips through your fingers. And I I'm talking about this as a person who's I'm deeply my revealed preference is that I'm like

deeply interested in this stuff. I think there's a there there. I'm not a skeptic, but it's like this like it's always like the hard drive goes missing at the end. The photo is a little too blurry for like the consensus to believe it. It's so frustrating. >> It depends what you consider a smoking gun. I think that these um extremely um skewed isotopic ratios might be considered a a smoking gun. And um the fact that um a lot of these uh these pieces are nanotechnological devices beyond our technology.

>> And um like that sphere was um a made of a titanium alloy that um had carbon nanot tubes also built into the metal which I think provided thrust by the the bofield brown effect. And >> it did. >> Yeah. I think so. I mean I don't know what else could have made it fly. >> Do you have this thing? not anymore. It got stolen. You got >> Who stole it? >> My family, if you can believe that. >> Oh, man. I'm sorry.

>> that's horrible. >> Yeah. Um >> why they they took it? >> Yeah, I still do have uh some other alien stuff. But um um but um yeah, I can't find it anymore and I have reason to believe it was within some stuff that they stole. >> Jesus Christ, man. I'm so sorry. That's messed up. It's not cool. >> No. Do you have is it how does your family view I mean your your wife is here. She's absolutely lovely and I can tell she's interested in this topic. Do you have other family and what do they think of your interest in all this

stuff? Uh well, my ex-wife is a um a Christian fundamentalist or says she is because of her her family's uh convictions. And um uh she's uh I think convinced my kids that um that I'm uh of the devil or something along those >> Jesus, I'm sorry. >> And my mother is kind of unstable and also is uh kind of turned my kids against me as well. Um, >> she's she's afraid I'll embarrass her by

going on on the air or putting stuff on the internet, things like that. >> Well, I'm sorry, man. I think your brain is a gift to humanity. So, uh, and so we don't know where this object is that was taken from you. >> No, I don't know. >> Oh, damn. That's crazy. And then what about the um the piece from uh St. Augustine crash in New Mexico? >> I still have I still have some of that. >> That's fascinating. And have you done you've done isotopic analysis on that and that has isotope ratios that are weird or >> the isotopic ratios on on that uh were

not that remarkable. Um uh so that material may have may have come from earth. You may have manufacturing facilities on earth too. >> what uh material is it like what >> Uh it's mainly aluminum. >> Okay. Um the the sphere was a titanium alloy that with carbon density was built into the metal and small like half millimeter voids introduced into the metal to lower the density. So it had uh tremendous strength. Um and was stronger than most any titanium alloy I know of.

Um but it was about the same density as >> And when you say Biffield Brown, you're just assuming that that's the force created. you could make capacitors out of the um the carbon nanot tubes. The carbon nanot tubes had a capacitive dialectric coating on them in this case. >> So it seems a reasonable assumption. >> So interesting. >> And you could use that spherical shape um as a receiver for scalar energy. Tesla was trying to do that to power flying vehicles.

>> Did he have designs for flying? I know he worked >> I think he actually I think he actually flew some rumor has it. >> Yeah. Where are those room? I didn't know about that. That's amazing. >> Oh, um there's um a book called Lost Silence. I believe it's in there. >> It's hard to get a hold of now. >> Do you have any footage of the implant being taken out of any of these >> Um I'm not sure if I I I may I may have like one or two uh pieces like that. I definitely have a lot of photos and stuff like that. >> It'd be amazing to show as much as we

can just cuz I think uh the average person, this is so far out. Um, >> yeah. I mean, it's it's way people don't believe it because it's it's so far uh outside what we're taught. >> And um uh the government's done their best to um punish people that believe in this in various ways. >> Yeah. I I feel like I have to ask this question, but I feel like it's important for you uh cuz you seem like a very lovely person. I've really enjoyed this conversation. if you Google your name,

uh, for whatever reason, this OKC bombing thing shows up. And so, I just want to give you an opportunity to address what that is. >> A massive car bomb exploded outside of a large federal building in downtown Oklahoma City, shattering that building, killing children, killing federal employees, military men, and civilians. >> Oh, yeah. Well, I got I got in trouble with the feds uh 30 years ago on um a uh gun charge, weapons charge, and um uh I uh got uh investigated along with 14,000

other people that were uh into similar things at that time. And um they um as near as I can figure, the ATF was trying to punish me for not cooperating in their investigation by trying to link me to that that bombing. Oh, they were just trying to link you to that. >> Yeah, they didn't. >> And you didn't you never knew Timothy McVey or anything? >> No, they never read any proof of any of >> That's so weird. >> In fact, I found out from a guy that was writing that's writing a book on Oklahoma City that I was cleared early on in the investigation, but they kept

on saying that on the news that uh >> that sucks, man. It almost makes me think there's some sort of campaign against you because like why is there so much online that's >> I think there is. I think I think they're trying I think they're they're taking full advantage of that whole thing to try to discredit my UFO research now. >> Yeah. And you never cross paths with McVey at all. You never even met the >> No, I met never met the guy. >> That's so crazy. And he he didn't have a UCLA connection or anything like that? >> No. Okay. >> That's weird, man. I'm sorry. >> Well, I you know, if I wrote down

everything that's occurred in my life in an autobiography, I don't think anybody believe it. >> You know, but I experienced it. So, >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what what's anything come to mind? >> Well, just all all this stuff and you know, first they try to link me to this Oklahoma thing and then the aliens show up and you know, just a very um >> very odd series of events. >> Yeah. And is there is there anything about your is there anything about your

father or his history that might be related? So you said at the end of his life he sort of admitted that he was you know um uh maybe you know was taken up on a craft. Do you think he was doing any sort of covert work in any of these areas or >> I I'm not sure. I I don't think he was doing any covert work but um he was he was he kept things pretty close to his chest. So um I think if he was I'd be the last person he would have told. >> Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I don't know what would have even been going on at Oxnard specifically, but yeah.

>> Yeah. Well, there's a there's a um military base there that near there that was very important at one time, Point >> Okay. Point Mcoo. What did they do at Point Moo? >> Uh tested a lot of missiles. Um >> Uh submarine launch missiles and air-to-air missiles mostly. >> Okay. It's fascinating, man. Well, I really hope you get all the support uh for your work. You're trying to raise money for this this this company. Is that right for Neutron Star Nano Tech? >> The economy being so bad right now. I haven't had a whole lot of success, but um I'm still hoping to um get that off

>> What do you think it is? you know, with Bigalow and a lot of these guys, it's like there's this desire to get into this stuff and you really want to know and then things get like dark at a certain point. Like it's it's it's sort of it's it's a very and I find this, you know, uh with my own inquiries into the topic where like it's just uh it's hard to navigate because there's a lot of weird stuff, you know, it's there's a lot there a lot of bad there's a lot of bad energy and then there's there's good energy, too. are amazing people in this field, but a lot of people are attracted

to it for the wrong reasons. And there's I think there's even like a like an Old Testament line about trying to use trying to go into, you know, kind of sacred stuff using with a commercial >> and that being like this really, you know, bad thing to do. Having said that, I think we live in a capitalist system and like the only thing that kind of works in the modern day is like start a company around the thing. So I'm not like anti- all companies, you know, I used to invest in companies. So it's

this weird but it is this weird thing where I think if if the motivation is to make money off the thing, it often goes south. And I I don't know Bigalow. I'd love to interview him, but my my sense is it sort of didn't pan out maybe in the way he wanted it to. >> Well, Dr. told me that that he he started this aerospace company of his um uh because uh he had uh an alien experience of his own out in the desert and um that um uh they told him to meet

them in space. >> Who who said this? This is >> the aliens told him to to meet them. Bigalow they told Bigalow to meet them in space. Whoa. Really? >> Yeah. I think >> so. Bigalow had an experience and the aliens said, "We'll meet you in space." >> And then from then on, he like committed his life essentially to >> looking into all this stuff. UFO reverse engineering, hiring the alien implant specialist like really >> on the Bigalow aerospace website, there was a little alien uh head too.

>> Kind of like he was announcing that or >> that is absolutely wild. the amount of stories you hear like that like um I think Agnu Bonson who uh he headed up the Institute for Field Physics and um you know uh uh at North Carolina Chapel Hill and he also funded Towns and Brown. So he's working on all this crazy anti-gravity stuff and hosting kind of the top gravity physicists in the world. Freeman Dyson Fineman um Peter Bergman all these guys convened John Wheeler at the Institute of Field Physics in 1957

for this Chapel Hill conference and he in his diaries talks about like the space brothers talking to him and possibly kind of prompting him to look into this stuff. Towns and Brown had similar experiences where he he had space brother experiences that he discusses. So it's like you're being prompted by the beings to look into what their tech is or something. They they they talked to Tesla, too, according to what to his writings. >> He said that. Yeah. In Colorado Springs, he said he communicated with aliens. Did you um ever have anything like that? I

mean, I have to ask you because you're working on all this stuff. Did the beings ever say, "Steve, you are going to dedicate your life to alien I I don't remember them saying that specifically, but I've always had um an obsession with um with uh uh this kind of research and um certain other things. Um and uh I think that they do that to a lot of people because um once you get obsessed with the topic and you do all this research on it, if they have a brain implant in you, then they know it too at that point. So they're they're

getting you to do their research for >> Yeah. It's like this weird distributed science model or something where like they just have >> they're collecting intel through these different scientific nodes or something. It's so trippy. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And we're all we're all maybe there science experiment. Who knows? >> Well, one of the obsessions part of the reason I got into trouble before was one of the obsessions was with weapons. And um I you know it's I think that's kind of a characteristic with some uh some

people that are class 2 experiencers. There was one guy that was most likely a class two experiencer that um that uh had a bunch of guns in his house and there was a there was a big to-do over that. So >> maybe it's a characteristic. I don't >> Fascinating. Well, Steve, I really appreciate this. This was a lot of fun. Uh I feel like I could talk to you for hours. I can tell we're interested in a lot of the same stuff and um yeah, really really appreciate your your time. >> Yeah, no problem. My pleasure.