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Did Oppenheimer Work on UFOs?
as you guys know I've been ramping up a lot of activity on the channel recently we've had amazing episodes we just interviewed James Fox the best documentarian in UFO history Lou alzando OG whistleblower from 2017 that is basically responsible for a lot of the modern disclosure we've seen it's been a really fun couple of months but a lot of people ask me they say Jesse why can't we get full UFO disclosure so I wanted to make a video addressing that it seems like most of what we have are sort of bits and pieces of material it should be noted that if you actually
speak to a lot of people in and around the program which it feels like Ross Kart and a few other select reporters are doing we don't seem to have that many wholly intact craft in our possession it is my uh belief that the United States is in possession of uh of exotic material so so again whether it's Stanford Professor Gary Nolan who actually showed me his UFO crash pieces or other civilians who seem to have collected pieces here and there it's really important to do things like mass spectrometry and deeper analysis to rule out other options you know maybe these things
are meteors they could be man-made it's really important we go deeper on the material analysis to ensure that that's not the case I also think these crafts are probably extremely sensitive artifacts of American National Security but until we're shown any sort of intact craft we have to think probabilistically and we need some epistemic humid we can't be making super bold claims around these crafts definitely existing having said that I think all of this brings a really important philosophical question up around what is UFO disclosure I do think material analysis
is a good inroad to disclosure for example if we figured out whether any of these materials were arranged deliberately on an atomic level that would be basically a Smoking Gun that they're non-human because humans don't have that level of granularity when it comes to fabricating materials so I think materials analysis is actually a decent inroad when it comes to disclosure there are other tracks of disclosure I just don't think they're The Smoking Gun that people actually want so avobe is putting up a bunch of sensors to get signatures that might represent UFO activity above
the Harvard Observatory so the Galileo project is basically uh an attempt to collect new data new evidence using the scientific method without prejudice being agnostic about what we might find in our fishing net we cast a fishing net it's a fishing Expedition we don't know what we will find it's probably a mixed bag it will be a collection of natural objects a collection of uh human-made objects but even if one object happens to come from an extraterrestrial technological origin that would be the most significant discovery of humanity I applaud this I think it's a great
idea however I think if you're an average person just seeing you know a bunch of signatures in the abstract on some sort of Excel sheet data base is not going to convince you that we're not alone and that aliens might exist or non-human intelligence exists and that and that UFOs are actually flying around near the Harvard Observatory while I think this work is incredibly important I don't think abstract physics is tangible enough the next approach would be finding video now I'm not a VFX guy I think we live in this world of deep fakes where it's really hard to tell real videos
from fake videos and so I think it's incredibly important that we surface as many videos as we can that we think are High Fidelity incredible and so people like Jeremy Corbell are doing a great job when it comes to this what's so interesting about this footage is it has now been confirmed by the Pentagon that it is actual Navy filmed footage so you're seeing a thermal imagery but unless you have the expertise to actually verify the credibility of these videos understand their entire chain of custody how they were filmed the machinery and equipment that caught these videos
I'm just not sure that you won't have permanent doubters on any of these videos regarding the jellyfish UAP in your opinion it was Birds migrating or you're just you were just making an analogy it ended up being debunked it it wasn't any it was not a a u UAP if we were being visited I I'm thinking we'd have something better than fuzzy monochromatic video of of of objects that apparently reveal themselves only to Navy Pilots finally there's Legend legislature and government
action betting on government inertia is always a good bet and betting on government action is almost always a Bad Bet and so while this work is incredibly important when it comes to our civilian Congress having some transparency and oversight into the UFO issue which they are now starting to gain I just don't think this access of progress is going to move fast enough just look at last year we had this Schumer Amendment to the National Defense authorization act which got entirely gutted one of the biggest parts of this amendment involved congressional oversight over the UFOs
themselves basically the ability for Congress to declare eminent domain or ownership over any UFOs that private aerospace companies might be in possession of I think if that were passed it would be a major major deal and I encourage all of you to discuss this with your local congressmen and women but as you saw then and as you're seeing this year it seems like these initiatives keep getting gut it the measure I championed with Senator rounds would create a board just like we did with the JFK assassination records to work through the declassification of many government
records on uaps this model has been a terrific success for decades it should be used again with uaps but once again House Republicans are ready to kill this bipartisan provision our government is unfortunately controlled by special interests and big corporations and a lot of these big corporations are the same defense contractors that donate to the campaigns of the Congress people who are gutting this bill just take Mike Turner he had a huge part in diluting the wording around the Schumer Amendment last year he represents Dayton Ohio which is where Wright Patterson Air
Force Base is and where a lot of the UFO rumors are centered another culdesac when it comes to UFO disclosure that I am sometimes guilty of myself is theorizing so I think there you know uh amazing theorists like Mike Masters and jock ble who talk about you know okay we're seeing all these UFOs in the sky you know we have these abduction cases what do you make of the whole abduction hypothesis there we're going to the the second level which is the physiological and psychological level there is first there is no question in my mind that something has
happened to those people in other words those are real occurrences those are not imaginary or purely psychological what are the non-human intelligence how can we kind of create a high out of them how can we figure out their intent all of that is incredibly important work but on some level unless an alien steps out of a craft and allows himself to be filmed for everybody to see it's sort of not falsifiable or as one of my favorite physicists Richard fman would say not even wrong so in this video I wanted to talk about maybe the most underrated inroad to disclosure
and that is the recent history of people people that you've all heard of people like Robert Jay Oppenheimer Edward Teller Curtis lame possibly even Henry Kissinger who were involved with UFO secret programs if we could prove that any of these people actually had something to do with the UFO Legacy program that would be a massive breakthrough when it came to disclosure a lot of these people have relatives that are still alive they died not too long ago this is fairly recent history and they're extremely esteemed scientists military and government Personnel
so without further Ado I filmed this a couple of months mons ago and it was actually based on a private presentation I gave in front of a group of scientists in Italy which turned into a debate with scientific skeptic Michael Shermer what about these things that supposedly move far faster than the speed of sound without the sonic boom yeah how is that possible how is that possible that's right it's not that's that's where it gets weird that's where it gets weird right but is that's where is it ours is it really moving at that speed or is it a misperception of the video a miscalculation
a lot of people were interested in this and basically it is a resuscitation of a lost timeline in American history a timeline in which top American Military government and scientific brass were incredibly deep on the UFO issue they seem to be studying it since 1947 we have received and analyzed between 1 and 2,000 reports that had come to us from all kinds of sources they were looking into anti-gravity and all of these progr programs were bound up
with American Atomic programs I hope for you this video essay represents a very hard-headed detailed chronology that is a good basis point or jumping off point for further speculation and study this episode is brought to you by raycons when it comes to your earbuds don't settle they are literally an appendage on your body raycons everyday earbuds are Head and Shoulders better than anything else I've tried they have a 32-hour battery life so I'm never hunting for a charger they have active noise cancellation and they're also just more comfortable than any earbuds I've ever used
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than you know again video data you know all these other things that which would I think would be very helpful but not move the needle nearly as much as you know this kind of recent history this forgotten timeline so in 1971 the Australian joint intelligence organization which is basically Australia's CIA came out with a memo and the whole thrust of the memo is written by the head of their nuclear division a guy named Harry Turner who was looking into US efforts into UFOs in anti-gravity and he his belief was basically like the US had thrown all the other countries off the trail
see the us at the time had this program called Blue Book it was the official Air Force program studying UFOs in the 50s and 60s and yet Blue Book would kind of minimize downplay rationalize explain away all UFO sightings and here Turner in the early '70s is realizing on behalf of again his sort of CIA that actually us inquiries into anti-gravity and UFOs go way deeper than meets the eye and actually there were real programs Behind Blue Book that were far more vital than the
research being done that was kind of front-facing to throw the public off the trail and to throw other countries off the trail on behalf of the US and so this document this 1971 Australian document is basically a comprehensive doc documentation of all us inquiries into anti-gravity and UFOs in the 50s and 60s and it says some very bombshell things it lists the scientists that were involved in these programs and it lists names like you know you've probably heard of a lot of these people Edward Teller Freeman Dyson Robert J Oppenheimer as being invol deeply involved
in anti-gravity research it lists academic outposts that the cia's office of scientific intelligence was implicitly backing basically some of our top research institutes at the time and then it lists all of the biggest aerospace companies at the time as well so you know Bell aircraft they had just broken the sound barrier in 1947 you have Martin Corporation this is Prem merger with locki you know so kind of pre-lock Martin Lear Corporation they had just invented the first business airliner and so these are you know really important claims that we have to look
into is any of this true or does does any of this actually comport with evidence that we have from the time do we have any artifacts to actually support the fact that we were actually looking this deeply into UFOs and anti-gravity well actually we do so in 1956 there's actually an article from young men's magazine which is kind of an aviation and hobbyist magazine and the headline of the article is the G engines are coming and it basically has quotes from all of the top Aerospace patrons that I just mentioned in the Australian memo exuding confidence that the us is going to
beat gravity and it's right around the bend this is basically a second Manhattan Project and in the next you know five or six years we are going to beat gravity and so you have all these crazy quotes you have Lawrence Bell basically saying we are working with nuclear fuels and equipment to cancel out gravity and then you had George S Trimble he's the VP of Martin Corporation so he runs there actually their anti-gravity division which most people don't even know they had an anti-gravity division called Ras Research Institute for advanced study and he's saying
that uh beating gravity could be done in about the time it took to build the first atom bomb uh so again sort of crazy stuff all in accordance with that Australian memo but as you know of course industrialists can be a little quacky they can be off with their timelines they don't always have the best sense of you know physics and where it's headed so what were the smartest people you know the top theoretical physicists actually doing at the time well they were also kind of obsessed with gravity in fact uh 1957 uh there's this UNCC University of North Carolina Chapel
Hill conference UNC Chapel Hill is one of the cia's academic outposts listed in the Australian intelligence memo and the patron of this entire organization is this guy named agnu bonson agnu bonson was so obsessed with UFOs and anti-gravity that he wrote a science fiction novel called the stars are too high uh which is basically about a fake Alien Invasion but uh perpetrated by uh uh uh men who have created these anti-gravity crafts and so he's obsessed with beating Gra
it and the whole thing is kind of bound up with Aerospace in fact Lewis Whitten is Martin corporation's representative from Ras remember we mentioned George Trimble so Lewis Whitten works for George Trimble you might recognize Whitten from his last name his son goes on to be one of the most prominent string theorists uh uh you know in the world and but just look at the names here you have Bryce dwit John Wheeler Peter Bergman Richard feineman the top theoretical physicists at the time all convened at UNCC Chapel Hill to talk about gravity in the einsteinian Paradigm
in fact John Wheeler would complain against this kind of prevailing ethos of the whole conference and how interested it was in anti-gravity because he would say I look I just want to study gravity and why it breaks down why Einstein seems to break down at subatomic scales so it's clear that this conference is very kind of bound up with Aerospace because Bryce dwit almost worked at Martin Corporation you had Lewis Whitten who's working at Martin Corporation in fact the whole thing was so bound up with Aerospace base that it was actually sponsored by right air Development
Center so right air Development Center is one of the first Air Force bases in the US it's in Dayton Ohio it was founded in 1917 and you know they they basically tested a lot of the most advanced uh you know aircraft and propulsion uh in the early uh 20th century you know it's named after the wri brothers of course and so why is right air Development Center the top Air Force Base in the US sponsoring this theoretical physics conference around beating gravity and possibly even figuring out anti-gravity what was their interest in anti-gravity well a lot of people
don't know this but they actually had a team of physics researchers working on anti-gravity at the time at right air Development Center and so you had this guy Josh Goldberg who's a PhD from Syracuse and his group is called the Aerospace research laboratory and their sole mandate is basically to figure out how to beat gravity in fact just to show you how seriously the lore was that rright Patterson might have have in its possession kind of exotic technology that might require the study of anti-gravity in its possession and just how you know impressive
the circles that those rumors reached I want to actually show uh an interview with Barry Goldwater who was then a sitting Senator he then went on to actually be a presidential candidate and here's a good video of him discussing his inquiries into what secret Tech was being held at rright Patterson Air Force Base I think the government does know I can't back that up but I think that uh at right Patterson field if you could get into certain places you'd find out what
the Air Force and the government knows about UFOs reportedly a spaceship landed it was all hushed up quieted and nobody ever I've never heard about much of it I called Curtis lame and I said General I know we have a room at Wright Patterson where you put all this secret stuff can I go in there and I've never heard him get mad but he got mad and hell at me cussed me out said don't ever ask
me that question again so that was a 1994 Larry King interview but Barry Goldwater is clearly talking about being stiff armed by the sitting Chief of Staff of the Air Force at the time ctes from ever getting in to right Patterson Air Force Base then called right Airfield and so it's this really important question what was sitting at right Airfield and why were they so interested in figuring out a theoretical understanding of anti-gravity and so there are few interesting possible explanations for this now one that a lot of people don't know is that there was actually
Tech transfer from Nazi anti-gravity programs that made it into right Airfield and so you have I'm just going to give you kind of the high level there's actually a secret kind of weapons facility in Czechoslovakia in Modern Day Poland run by SS officer Hans commer it was called commer stab they were working on all sorts of crazy kind of anti-gravity and UFO technology if you want to learn more about that you should watch my documentary I made about towns and brown the man who built UFOs for the CIA where we go into more detail there but you had all these Nazi scientists
who worked under commer stab who ended up working at rright Patterson Air Force Base and so uh you have this crazy kind of narrative where uh there's this project called the avocar which was in in 1952 it was a joint operation between the cia's office of scientific intelligence British aircraft it was run by this guy named John Frost um but through Operation Paperclip which we now know about where we siphoned off all of these uh Nazi scientists working on vital programs so that the
Russians wouldn't get them after World War II you have a bunch of these kind of Nazi scientists guys like Richard Maita Victor shurger Henry kwanda Victor shurger had his own design for a flying saucer it was called an impeller Richard meita was working on kind of high voltage experiments very similar to an American scientist named Townsen Brown which we'll get into and then Henry Kanda uh actually filed a patent in 1936 for his lenticular aerodine saucer he was a Romanian engineer and he
was actually doing consulting right Air Force Base for again the avocar project which started in Canada but was taken over by right Airfield the AAR famously had trouble flying uh but it was this saucer shaped thing and it used kind of a radial gas flowing turbine engine not you know any sort of anti-gravity this might explain you know given the saucer shape why right Airfield was kind of looking into anti-gravity propulsion maybe they wanted to use that for the abocar the second reason that right Airfield might have wanted a theoretical framework for anti-gravity is because
there were actually vital experiments going on in the world of anti-gravity at the time in fact you had this physicist named Thomas Townsen Brown who had these gravitator experiments it was basically you had this asymmetric capacitor you had a positively charged plate a negatively charged plate you know these two electrodes the positive plate would be smaller smaller in size than the than the negative electrode and you would kind of pump the whole thing uh with mega voltage range electromagnetism and You' get this infinite chasing effect where the negative electrode would
chase the positive electrode even if the positive electrode is facing skywards and so basically like the whole thing seemed to beat gravity or create some sort of synthetic gravitational field just through the simple input of electromagnetism now I I can't overstate the implications of this Einstein spent the latter half of his career trying to marry electromagnetism and gravity and so obviously you're going to ruffle a lot of feathers by saying that this kind of quacky American inventor uh you know who dropped out of uh he did go to Caltech but he ended up dropping
out you know actually kind of experimentally tied these two irreconcilable forces uh and unified the field um but you have all these amazing credible Witnesses at the time witnessing his experiments and saying we have no idea how this worked this is astounding so you had Edward Teller who's the inventor of the hydrogen bomb one of the smartest you know people alive at the time and again listed in that Australian document as being involved in anti-gravity he actually sees uh a modified version of towns and Brown's fan precipitator experiment and his quote is
I don't know how this works and his wife turns to towns and Brown's daughter Linda and she says you don't know how nice it is to hear him say that so even Edward Teller was astounded by towns and Brown's experiments uh Air Force Chief of Staff Curtis L witnessed his experiments in fact Linda town and Brown's daughter recalls uh Curtis lame chasing town and brown down the stairs because he was so interested in his experiments and CH me kind of followed my dad down the steps uh Bill leer who's mentioned in that Australian document he was kind of you know an aerospace Titan at the
time known as the autopilot wizard his office is right across the street from uh towns and Browns uh guidance Technologies which was in Santa Monica in the ' 50s they were close collaborators and so he was a witness of the experiments and then agnu bonson who actually was the patron who I mention who sponsors the Chapel Hill conference in 1957 with all the top theoretical physicists he is simultaneous to funding that funding towns and Brown and his gravitator experiments so I think
it's you know a possible mental framework is that you have these kind of you have these like really smart uh theoretical physicists kind of groping in the dark for a solution a mathematical solution to anti-gravity where you have while in the back you have this kind of quacky inventor physicist uh towns and brown actually doing kind of the vital experimentation and then finally for the purposes of right Airfield you have Victor brandus who's a technical representative from right Airfield who witnesses towns and Browns experiments in Los Angeles and there's a direct quote from him where
he says believe it or not I think I just saw a flying saucer and it frightened me um and so uh you have a guy who's connected with right Airfield and he's seeing this gravitator experiment and it's freaking him out and Victor betrus works for the famous Colonel Albert Boyd who runs uh airfield's flight test Division and so again they might want a theoretical framework because they've seen these experiments that seem to defy gravity at the time in fact right Airfield might have been so interested in towns and Brown's experiments that according to his daughter Linda he actually
had a technical consultant named Charles Wyatt Miller from right Airfield living with his family at all times basically following them around wherever they went so they were seriously keeping tabs on him so again right Airfield might have been privy to these sort of experiments and then that might have made them interested in kind of a theoretical understanding of anti-gravity and you know towns and brown is kind of shrouded in controversy there's a lot of kind of disinfo about his career just to push back on some of the detractors here is a recently Declassified FBI document at least according to the FBI at the time in 1943 he was known to be the Navy's
top expert when it came to raadar and so again I'm not saying that you know expertise in radar means that necessarily his anti-gravity experiments actually worked but I do think uh the idea that he's this amateur quack does quickly dissolve upon any further investigation not only that but uh there's a lot of evidence that towns and Brown's work actually made it into the B2 stealth bomber in fact a lot of people say B2 is named after Byfield Brown which is his experiments his capacitor experiments and again this is something I wasn't quite sure of you do have a lot of
interesting you have this 1968 paper that North R published and it's basically about North RP's investigation into Electro aerodynamics and which is basically towns and Browns work and uh you know sort of mysteriously disappears um so you have some possible evidence there uh but you also have you know Britain's Premier uh Aerospace journalist a guy named Bill Gunston basically saying uh you know I'm very sure that towns and Browns work made it in the B2 stealth bomber and you know this is basically this kind of survey level overview of all the the Aero engine technology in Aerospace
he's writing for Air International magazine in 2000 gunson goes on to write that he had been well acquainted with the rudiments of TT Brown's theories for years but he had no wish to reside in the Tower of London so he'd refrain from discussing clever aeroplanes with Leading Edge charged to millions of volts positive and trailing edges charged to millions of volts negative again that negative to positive thrust is literally towns and Browns experiments so leading guy when it comes to you know radar in the Navy and his work probably made it into literally the
United States friese stealth bomber like maybe he's more serious than meets the eye maybe he's not this complete joke as he's kind of made out to be and then you actually do some digging and you realize he kind of planted all the disinformation about himself and a lot of the people that kind of made him out to be a joke uh you know probably had incentives to do that for more information on him you should probably just watch the documentary I made called again the man who built UFOs for the CIA final explanation for why right Airfield might have wanted a theoretical understanding of anti-gravity or to figure out anti-gravity propulsion is because they had an alien Flying
Saucer in their possession and so they they had retrieved a a flying saucer or disc uh from the Roswell crash in 1947 that's kind of the most famous story those crash materials reportedly made their way down to Dallas Fort Worth to Fort Hood originally and then they were taken to right Airfield and so that's you know what all the lore says you have you know this picture here of Jesse Marcel holding you know uh uh for being forced to hold you know he claimed that he was forced to do this photo op with this um you know weather balloon but in fact you had this kind of malleable
Memory Metal and it was kind of dis shaped and you had these weird hieroglyphics on it and it was actually taken to right Airfield and so again these are three possible explanations as to why right Airfield was so interested in anti-gravity at the time uh kind of Nazi Tech transfer from their anti-gravity programs Townsen Brown and his you know vital gravitational experiments which I don't know if they worked but uh they at least convinced a lot of top military and academic and scientific brass at the time or you had alien material taken from Roswell and you know moved
to right Airfield now right Airfield actually re successfully reverse engineered a German Pulse Jet engine in 1943 it was the literally the place that would reverse engineer adversary technology if that was ever retrieved so it would make sense if you found an alien vehicle you would take it there first uh it also is one of the first centers for nuclear propulsion in the US so you're getting this crazy picture where in the 40s 50s and 60s the US had a way deeper interest at very high
levels when it came to anti-gravity and UFOs and maybe we had more understanding of these domains than meets the eye so this could explain the Twining memo so the Twining memo is this famous document that people in UFO world love to sight they think it's you know this super important document because you have this guy General Nathan Twining who runs the air material command for the Air Force he's responsible for all aircraft development the most advanced aircraft development for the Air Force and he writes in 1947 he says UFOs are real they're not Visionary or fictitious
he goes on to describe their attributes they have no Vapor Trails they display rates of you know extreme rates of climb and maneuverability you know all sorts of observables that now the Pentagon is come out with and they say you know similar things about UFOs like you know no visible propulsion that sort of thing this is the that version of that but for 1947 but by far the most interesting part of the Twining memo is the part that everybody ignores it's the postcript of the memo where Twining actually writes it is possible within present us knowledge provided extensive
detail development is undertaken to construct a piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object above and again he's describing these attributes which break physics when it comes to Aviation and he's saying we actually have in our present knowledge the ability to build these things and then he goes on to say without mentioning kind of the Manhattan Project that we basically need a Manhattan Project Style effort in order to do this so then he goes on to say any any developments in this country along the lines indicated would be extremely expensive
timec consuming and at the considerable expense of other projects and therefore should be set up independently of existing projects so again if you have a secret UFO program it should probably be fully insulated from civilian bureaucrats moving in and out of government it should be this top secret thing with only the most vital scientists and only kind of super deep Intel people with a need to know basis who aren't moving in and out of government and aren't going to kind of Spill the Beans well the idea that this is actually housed in kind of a Manhattan Project Style
effort and that manhatt the Manhattan Project secrecy overlays UFO secrecy completely comports with David gush's whistleblower revelations in 2023 so David grush is a buddy of mine uh he was at the Air Force he was at the National geospatial Intelligence Agency and he was also uh part of the UAP task force to look into UFOs and he basically uncovered what he claims to be uh these kind of decades long uh UFO reverse engineering programs in deep black compartments of the government and
he says that uh the guy that actually set up the secrecy protocols for UFOs was Robert J Oppenheimer and another guy named Robert sarbacher I would probably ask sarbacher Oppenheimer and be like what was your thought process in the 40s and 50s you know squirreling this away I mean besides overlaying the Manhattan Project secrecy and these guys basically are responsible for the 1954 atomic energy commission which overlaid nuclear secrecy on top of UFO secrecy in this really
kind of interesting clo and Dagger way so if you actually read the atomic energy Act of 1954 the definition of special nuclear material is actually incredibly flexible and pliable in kind of at the discretion of the atomic energy commission it's basically any material that kind of emits any radioactive properties so any Alpha Beta gamma radiation anything radioactive is born Secret Under This atomic energy Act of 1954 and so if you know uh an aerospace contractor or the CIA or
anybody guarding a nuclear base encounters any of these sort of UFOs that material gets immediately shrouded in secrecy and immediately overlaid with the same classification system as nuclear secrets no it is if you actually read the atomic energy act if something is not a nuke but it has radiological energy coming off it you know Alpha Beta Decay whatever same secrecy same secrecy and the crazy part about all of this is that UFOs seem to just show up over nuclear bases in fact that's
this incredibly important correlation that a lot of people don't know about there's a journalist named Robert Hastings who documents 167 UFO sighting cases at nuclear bases across the entire United States in fact every single nuclear base in the US has been visited according to him and 167 ICBM security Personnel radar operators people who work at these nuclear sites who are on What's called the PRP program where they have to be the picture of mental health and they have to report if they're on you know ibuprofen or anything uh because they are guarding the crown jewels of
American defense in the form of these nuclear silos uh and so uh all of these guys report seeing kind of anomalous objects in the skies in many cases they actually report the sites being rendered inoperable there are a couple of famous cases Bob Jacobs in 1964 at vandenbberg uh Robert Solas uh 19 67 at malstrom Base in Montana uh you have a ton of these cases uh even up until 2010 right before Robert Hastings retired Fe Warren uh nuclear base in Wyoming where you had this outage
for an hour on the base which is obviously this massive National Security concern and Hastings actually did some back channeling with some of the uh nuclear base employees there and they basically attribute that outage to this Tic Tac shaped oblong object flying around and taking out the power at Fe Warren and so you have all these cases he's documented all of this in this fantastic book called UFOs and nukes and lest do you be thinking that Robert Hastings and David grush and
Oppenheimer and all these people are kind of part of some you know American National Security cabal and that there is no tie between nuclear and UFOs just to show you that that is definitely not the case there's literally a town in Japan called loo which is in Fukushima where they have a nuclear civilian power plant uh that is dedicated to UFOs in fact Vice made a documentary on this town I believe in 2020 or 2021 and it shows that a lot of the residents of the town are obsessed with UFOs
there's a museum that is dedicated to UFOs at the top of this mountain you have all these bizarre geomagnetic anomalies and so clearly this is not some coordinated sop and so again uh civilian nuclear and uh uh weapons nuclear are are this important thread in fact uh the appendix of uh UFOs and nukes by Robert Hastings includes seven or eight cases of UFOs showing up around civilian nuclear reactors as well Fukushima of course is famous uh for its nuclear disaster in 2011 but
they've had a civilian grid there uh since the 70s and this Museum dedicated to UFOs was actually set up in the 9s so again I think this would require far more coordination uh you know than just this kind of deep State National Security cabal in the US this is clearly a global phenomena and this correlation with nuclear is this incredibly important point that needs to be investigated finally I think one of the most important points when it comes to UFOs is that UFOs were marginalized as kind of quacky and not serious but they were marginalized by two important people
these physicists in the 50s and 60s who were tied in with the atomic programs themselves so HP Robertson which created the Mandate for Blue Book this you know Robertson memo which is now Declassified but it was meant to be kept secret at the time in 1952 uh at the end of 1952 before Blue Book gets formed in 1953 the Robertson panel basically makes blue book this kind of you know let's explain UFOs away let's downplay it in media books that sort of thing well people don't know that HP Robertson actually had uh you know was very tied in with American Atomic programs in fact
he was on the National Defense re research Council under FDR and he had a lot of ties with people like vavar Bush and Edward Condon was also very close with vavar bush uh Conan was actually super close with Oppenheimer they studied at gotten together in Germany in the 1930s he actually grew up in Al mordo right around the Ben from Los Alamos and helped pick Los Alamos as a spot for the Manhattan Project and he even wrote the Los Alamos primer which was basically a document that all employees had to read upon getting hired uh at Los Alamos well uh Condon actually loses
his security clearance kind of mysteriously in 19353 54 the nominal reason for uh him losing his security clearance was that you know he spent some time at Berkeley he was this journalist he was you know very he had all these labor sympathies and that he was you know um shmoozing with socialists or whatever and so that's why I lost his security clearance but what's very interesting is that he actually wrote the McMahon secrecy Act of 19 19 46 which is the precursor to the atomic energy Act of 1954 so Condon actually goes on to debunk UFOs from 66 to 69 he is part of what's
known as the Condon committee this uh you know in Boulder Boulder Colorado this commission which is basically you know rigged to basically show that all us efforts when it comes to studying UFOs were a total waste of time effort and money this was supposed to be independent of the Air Force but in fact Conan was in close coordination with Air Force Colonels like Robert hippler and there's even a written memo where Hitler is telling Condon hey like you should show that all UFO research was a waste of money we don't want another Blue Book and so it was this kind of rigged thing to debunk
UFOs and it kind of is the nail in the coffin of UFO research uh from The public's perspective uh in the late 60s and onwards good analogy to the UFO thing is to go to another thing that you know Skeptics were saying was science fiction just 3 to four years ago and now we have mounting evidence that it's actually a real phenomena and there's real science behind it and so that's Havana syndrome Havana Syndrome again is this kind of you know destabilizing dizziness migraines all these weird symptoms that American MBC workers and diplomats across the world were saying that they
were experiencing and you have all these Skeptics saying you know it's this Mass psychogenic illness they're hallucinating it they're making it up um you know kind of blame the victim mentality and just recently UH 60 minutes in collaboration with DAR Spiegel came out with a piece showing that a lot of these um were actually us counter Intel agencies working specifically on Russia and so there's this concern that Russia is responsible uh for these kind of highfrequency beam weapons that are causing uh you know these issues and so uh you know I think that's a really good analogy for
the UFO thing where you have credible Witnesses now we think it's total sci-fi and the best way to actually corroborate this this is to go back to this kind of Forgotten timeline where in the 50s 60s and' 7s people actually took this stuff seriously and so here's a really good example you have this recently Declassified document around the salt to dayon talks where uh the US is attempting peace with the USSR and you have um you know and you have Secretary of State Kissinger and he's talking to the Russian Ambassador Ani do brinan and he's basically saying that these
microwave beams are making their way into the US Embassy in Russia in Moscow and in fact they are causing these rare illnesses and you have the American ambassador to the USSR at the time Walter stasel actually being medically discharged because of a rare form of blood cancer that he would eventually die from because of these highfrequency microwave beams and if you read this transcript uh he says you are joking and Kissinger says I am serious and he doubles down he even gets specific
about the the amount of hours that the beams are are are kind of flooding the embassy and so um if you go back to the historical record you have very serious people like Henry Kissinger kind of as serious as it gets taking you know this idea of you know what we would Now call Havana syndrome very seriously and again this was thought to be completely science fiction you know this you know psychosomatic thing a few years ago and so I think that's the perfect analogy to UFOs where you have you know the 200 for nimit sighting for example you have these you know kind of multi-day
corroborated multi- sensor you know Fleer data you have radar data which unfortunately we don't have access to but you have plenty of you know credible eyewitness Pilots people like Commander David fraver seeing these Tic Tac objects so you have to go back to the historical record to corroborate this in fact if you go to the Salt talks again in 1971 that's a really good analogy to uh the modern UFO conversation where you have all these credible Witnesses people like Commander David fraver uh you know radar operators Navy fighter pilots uh who are seeing
these Tic Tac shaped or saucer-shaped objects uh seemingly breaking physics in the sky and if you actually just go back to the historical record you know there's this is just the tip of the iceberg that I'm presenting here uh you can uh you know uncover all sorts of mounting evidence for this and so I think uh resuscitating this forgotten timeline is the way to make progress on UFOs and that uh you know it's really fun to have these debates about ontological truth but they kind of devolve into metaphysics and these kind of Everything is Everything conversations and so
if we want to make real progress let's talk about the real Personnel the credible Personnel who are at the top Circles of American Military academic and scientific circles looking into UFOs and anti-gravity over the last couple of years I've had a lot going on simultaneous to the channel you know I've uh invested in a lot of startups and uh you know been involved in other things and now I really want to focus a lot of my time on creating content for you so I'm going to do more raw stuff I just want more kind of sheer output uh if you have anybody that you want to hear from
uh and get interviewed uh please let me know in the comments if you want any topics covered let me know uh uh or if you have any suggestions generally I'm all ears and uh yeah I'm pumped I think it's going to be a really good year I think we're going to cover a lot of crazy stuff
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