“I Saw Alien Technology At A Military Base!” (Ft. Randy Anderson)

interview we've ever done at American Alchemy it's with a Green Beret named Randy Anderson Randy is an American Badass he's a complete physical specimen having completed the notorious seir and Q Special Forces qualification courses both of which have very high failure rates he's also an 18 Bravo Special Forces weapon Sergeant who knows how to operate just about every gun under the the sun he wouldn't let me bring this up in our interview because of how much he cares about maintaining a humble quiet

technological capabilities and his worldview and understanding of humanity and its place in the universe forever and now it might change your understanding of all of these things as well thank you so much for being here I just can't tell you how much of an honor and privilege it is to be trusted with telling your story it's one of the most profound interesting stories I ever heard and I've heard of given what I do a lot of crazy stuff out there and um I think we both are aware of the fact that

2025 is going to be a pretty crazy year I think a lot of stuff is coming down the pike and uh you know if there was ever a time for for you to come out with your story I think now now would be it and so we've been having conversations about that and I just feel honored to to be here right now I think this is an amazing moment and thank you absolutely man you're you're the guy guy that's you're out there doing it man you're you're putting the story out there you're telling people what's up bringing awareness to it and I think that's key and that's why I wanted to do this with you and we have a mutual friend yeah he

goes by UAP gerb he has an incredible Channel and he introduced us and so I just want to start off by giving him a huge shout out because he's one of the deepest researchers I've ever met when it comes to this topic I was thoroughly impressed with the amount of stuff he dug up on the place that I did the training at absolutely Wild yeah so so shout out to to gerb and I know you're going to be doing a followup with him and so uh yeah just want to want to express my gratitude there but let's get into your story because I think in in some ways you are an

ordinary American and then in other ways you're an extraordinary American and so I want to get into the the ordinary elements uh where did you grow up and what were you like as a kid oh yeah uh Pittsburgh pennslvania is where I was born and raised for the first 10 years of my life um we moved to Las Vegas when I was pretty young and like 10 11 years old and I grew up there the rest of my life so I did back and forth for a while uh with family so most of my family is still back there uh and then most of my young childhood teenage years were all in Las Vegas and did you know that you

ended up having this really impressive amazing thank you for your service by the way career in Special Forces did you know you wanted to get into that as a kid no I I thought I wanted to be an Navy seel because that's what everybody knows about and I thought that was what the coolest thing you could do in the military at the time and um but I also wanted to be a fireman that type of work always is what appealed to me when I was a kid like any typical Young American Boy you ended up becoming a Green Beret and a lot of people know about Navy Seals there are a lot of public Navy

Seals out there you have David gogin you know people like that you know doing podcast circuit sort of stuff all the time Green Beret are much less welln and there's sort of a rivalry at times between between the two we like we like it that way we like being the true quiet professionals I mean it's a cultural thing it's a cultural difference I mean nothing I wouldn't say anything negative about the seals they're a very professional organization uh it's just culturally in in Special Forces Army Special Forces particularly it's it's

not very popular to talk about what you do that's why this is super uncomfortable for me to talk about it publicly but I think this is important enough to do it at what point did you become a Green Beret yeah so well when I was young I I was testing for the fire department in Las Vegas um I got hired for the fire department really young 19 years old and I did that for a few years and in my early 20s I was kind of stagnant uh I I was a very motivated young man and I and I I always

challenged myself to do the best I could I was valid Victorian of my fire department Academy firefighter Academy um and I I I just felt like I was kind of getting stagnant I was working at the busiest Firehouse in the country I was fighting fires all the time but I I just felt like I wanted to do more the war was raging in the Middle East and I I was thinking still about that childhood dream of becoming an NA seal and I started looking into it and how I could do it uh without telling anybody I kind of kept it a secret I was married at the time too so uh my wife's the only one at

the time that knew that I was looking into it cuz obviously I had to make sure she was cool with it uh so I started digging in and finding out more about the Navy Seals and talk to a seal recruiter uh during that time another friend of mine who was a firefighter for a sister Department in Henderson Nevada which is right in Las Vegas he told me that he was a seal or um a marso guy he was a what do they call it a Corman for the Navy worked with marock and the seals and he told me to look into Green

Berets he said it's just he thought it would fit my personality better and he said he told me a little bit about what they do and I was like that sounds really cool looked into it didn't know much about it before that and I was like that is definitely more of a fit for my personality what I what I want to do just they do kind of everything yeah uh unconventional warfare uh anything from counter drug to to counterterrorism unconventional warfare is like going in with a gorilla Force and and overthrowing a tyranical government for example so that just seemed like a

really cool Noble thing mission to me and so that's I definitely was it resonated with me and I pursued it and luckily made it what how old were you at the time I was like 25 okay yeah and what was the main distinction because you said you grew up wanting to be a Navy SEAL why did you decide Green Beret over Navy SEAL what's the main distinction between the two as I dug into both uh of the careers uh Navy Seals there's movies out there there's books out there green Braes didn't have a lot of information I had to really dig

to find out and I thought that that right there was cool to me like I didn't want to do it to get some kind of Accolade or recognition I wanted to do it because it was the right thing and uh helping be part of the solution and doing fighting at the tip of the spear I I felt like and so that's what I that's why I was drawn to it how intense was the initial training that's pretty Brut as you can imagine like any any of that type of training that's going to weed out 90% of the people it's it's it's pretty brutal you go through all your basic training and all that stuff and

then you go through a selection phase which is pretty difficult and the last part of that phase is team week and you're broken and beaten I mean everybody's got stress fractures I think had hundreds of stress fractures in my feet by the end of it and you know you're just you're still moving 20 30 mile movements you know throughout the day and carrying an exorb amount of weight like I think 175 180 lbs through soft sand it's just brutal I mean there's a lot of stuff out there on the internet about it and but that's probably one of the mo more difficult

physically demanding phases but during the Q course you have language phase you got to learn a foreign language you got to be fluent you have six months to do that that's difficult to do you know any foreign languages yeah I speak uh Indonesian and Malaysian it's amazing yeah Indonesian is not an easy first language to learn it's actually fairly easy yeah it actually that's right surprising isn't it sort of very I'm going to use this word incorrectly but almost interoperable like it's I have a CO old colleague named Eric Weinstein who always talks about how Indonesian

actually easy to pick up because it's like a few different core variables or something that account for the rest of the language it's fairly easy the alphab that's identical the the sounds are slightly different but it's any language is a lot of block memorization and and then understanding like how you relate it to your your native language are there any things that you saw deployed in the field that you know made you think twice as far as American capabilities or or adversary capabilities just technology in the Warfare context where you're like I

didn't know that that existed 100% yeah so I think our technology is well ahead of what people know I mean I know it's well ahead of what people understand or think where're where we are significantly um and I because just where I was L right place right time I saw some of that and uh yeah there's there's technology out there that I think would blow people's minds if they knew that we had that capability I mean examples uh yeah the Drone technology we

have is pretty significantly better than people think right now as we speak there's this mystery drone craze I would say clearly that some of these are not man-made but you know that depends on your priors and understanding of a lot of the kind of weirder stuff but what did you see and what what do you think we are capable of on the on the Drone front I think what we're seeing in just my opinion uh we're seeing our technology and drones respond to something that's not ours are there any drones disguising themselves as other

objects that seem prosaic have you seen anything like that yes there there there's technology that can be disguised to look like ordinary things that are drones and uh ISR uh surveillance type platforms that's pretty amazing and so are the things I'm assuming the things themselves are not shape-shifting they are no not that I saw yeah they're creating a signature that resembles something more kind of ordinary yeah it's there to make you think it's

something else I mean it looks like a local thing that would be normal to anybody who lives in the area so there's like a a funny protest movement um run by this like trolling kid on social media and it's like birds aren't real and it's like that the birds are all like you know CIA Spooks or something I mean hilariously accurate that's wild so you think that there are drones that can maybe mimic I mean even in DARPA there initiatives towards biomimicry and like a lot a lot of biological designs have actually inspired aircraft design but

we're kind of taking this a step farther and saying that certain reconnaissance devices actually look like and appear to look like animal like birds Stu why wouldn't it why wouldn't that be a natural way of disguising your your technology or what you're trying to monitor someone without them knowing you're monitoring them yeah anything natural in the environment is is where you want to hide that so it's it's pretty intense um you also have worked and occasionally still work at Area 51

right the kind of legendary uh flight testing site I think was created in the in the 1950s mainly actually to test I think originally the U2 but then you know other exotic aircraft on up from there just recently another Green Beret was in the news under more unfortunate circumstances Matthew livelsberger executed A Stranger Than Fiction car bombing but with fireworks and a cyber truck in front of Trump Tower in Las Vegas on New Year's Day 2025 after the incident podcast Sean Ryan had a guest

on Named Sam shoate claiming that Matthew had emailed him saying that the New Jersey drones that the entire country has been confused about for the last two months are actually state-of-the-art gravitic propulsion drones from China controversy ensued but Shawn Ryan and shoemate have now been Vindicated by the FBI it looks like this email was in fact sent by livelsberger the Las Vegas bomber having said that I don't think we should wholesale accept

all of the contents of this email Chinese electrogravitic drones carrying large payloads that could vaporize New York or DC at the drop of a hat hovering with impunity around civilian airspace feels hard to believe or at the very least should be further investigated and not just accepted at face value but here's where I probably break from the consensus I am confident that the US and probably China have at least cracked anti-gravity in laboratory settings I know that sounds insane but if you don't

believe me check out my videos on the great mid-century inventor Thomas Townsen Brown and with Aviation journalist Nick cook there's an abundance of open-source evidence out there that we can affect gravity in clear ways with high voltage electricity but I digress how does any of this tie together with Randy's story well the crazy connection here is this very weird email sent by Matthew displays the coordinates of America gravitic propulsions Operation Center the coordinates are at Area 51 now this

alone doesn't prove anything you can Google area 51's coordinates the reason this is interesting is because Randy who is also a Green Beret in our interview subject today has worked at Area 51 and he told me off air that he's seen a black triangle hovering around at the notorious flight testing facility that he believed was employing exotic electrogravitic propulsion what is that that experience been like anybody that works out at that area they we call it the test site or the you know test range

it's uh Area 51 is just one component of that entire huge sprawling compound base area uh it's testing range where they tested the first some of the first nukes you know and uh it's a really cool place to check out historically I mean that that's one of the coolest things I think about it is seeing those sites where they detonated nukes where they had the Marines like embedded right next to where the the explosions were going off and they were dug in and you can literally see the the area where the explosion happened and where they were dug in and benches where people sat and

watched nuclear explosions go off and didn't didn't realize how much danger they were in at the time I actually just did a piece with this guy Robert Hastings who wrote an amazing book called UFOs and nukes and this guy documents 167 whistleblowers uh guys who are cleared to some of our most sensitive stuff and they're basically tasked with guarding the crown jewels of American defense in our nuclear assets and they're screened for being the picture of mental health in certain cases they have their finger on the nuclear button and so they have

to be on What's called the PRP program and report if they're taking ibuprofen for God's sakes like they're you know very of sound mind and they consistently report seeing UFOs showing up not only in and around uh nuclear assets but actually in and around the plume of nuclear blasts and Atmospheric tests and a lot of these guys are older so like I think atmospheric tests were banned at some point mid-century but like right so if this was going on at Area 51 you have to think that uh you know that's got to

be a very interesting place as far as maybe UFO activity as well well sure and I mean I always wonder too because it's obviously it's a great place to test technology because there's not a lot of eyes on it so it's makes sense that that's what they use it for and obviously that's what they did the SR71 F-117 uh were programs I think were heavily tested out there then I'm sure a lot of the Exotic Tech is tested out there as well but then there's also the stuff that we don't we don't quite know what it is that's showing up and I I

think it's incredibly interesting and and personally I mean being out there so my my role out there is to help um as an opposition Force for some units that are training for operations overseas and uh that's about as deep as I can go into it uh it's nothing super cool it's fun cool guys stuff to do for guys like us guys like me that like to shoot guns and get in a gunfight or pretend gunfight this case but um and and get to run into Old buddies of mine that I worked with in in

uh Special Forces teams and so it's it's cool and while out there uh we have had a couple crazy incidents uh I'll speak to one in particular just cuz I don't think it's uh it's too too crazy to speak about but basically um I had brought I I brought some of the guys out with me were operating under somebody's Q clearance while out there uh one of the commanders of the unit that was coming in by helicopter uh unit landed

in one of the cadr that oversees the their movement and kind of grading them on their performance and uh evaluating uh was standing next to some of my guys and during that time a green orb type object had flown over and my buddy had seen it and he looked up at the Cadre that was there and mentioned if he asked him if he had seen it and he said he looked down at my buddy and said are you sure you saw that and my friend was like yeah I saw it his green orb he says cuz if you did see it we got a lot

of paperwork to do and and my buddy kind of got the hint and he said yeah maybe I didn't see it he's like that's better and they kind of brush it off so they obviously either knew what it was or knew not to talk about it you know and uh I I don't know either or I mean we sign ndas and stuff going out there so you know there's not much more we can say about it but you know it's it was interesting and and I've seen a couple things like that out there in my time working out there that are that are definitely cool well the lack of shock

on behalf of that officer I think says it all right like seems kind of like a routine thing for him to have seen in fact there was a meteor expert at the University of New Mexico named Lincoln laaz and in 1948 49 he was basically studying green Fireballs following the plume radioactive debris post nuclear blasts across the US there's another guy researcher named Dan Wilson who was also following up on this line of research uh and so I think that's actually fairly common uh thing when it comes to uh uh

ufology and UFOs and and and Lou Alando has also spoken about green fireballs and in fact I've seen a green Fireball with Lou alz that's crazy man yeah you were mentioning that that's what can you what was that what was the we were hanging out at Lou's place actually in Wyoming and Lou was It was kind of later at night we were like by his shed just hanging out and Lou is going deep on and for basically for the audience for you know who might need context on this Lou alzando is a guy who ran the official

UFO investigation program under Harry Reed was called oap kind of I guess morphed into this program called a tip and um and he's since come out and kind of blown the whistle on some stuff uh around UFOs and so yeah we're hanging out at his house and he's going deep on how the Sun is this nuclear fusion reactor and specifically how it works and stuff and then all of a sudden we just see I it's hard to kind of place distance on these things but we see this green Fireball just shoot out into the sky what the and we're just like what the like this couldn't be weirder as far

as what this what we're talking about who we're with and seeing this happen so dude like I I know for a fact for me since since uh my experience I've definitely seen more stuff than I mean I didn't see anything before that I never noticed maybe I wasn't looking but now I see [ __ ] all the time that feels like the Dirty Little Secret in UFO world because it feels like a lot of people downplay their personal experiences because they want to maintain this like impartiality of like I'm this perfect

scientist yeah but the more you notice the thing the more it does start to happen to you and the deeper you get you have a couple drinks with you know anybody in this field they start to say yeah things have gotten kind of trippy once I've started to look into this which makes sense right like you have a video of like you know I think this like gorilla going across this video and if you're not focused on the gorilla you don't see the gorilla you know what I so your attention is somehow fundamental to what you experience in life so that sounds like that's happened with you as

well well it's probably that same phenomenon like you buy a red car and then you see red cars or whatever you know whatever type of car you buy you see that type of car all the everywhere exactly maybe it's just that we're looking now and we're more aware of it so we're seeing it yeah to Tony Robbins I think uh was interviewed by Theo vau and he was like notice everything red in the room and if you were to do that right now you notice everything red in the room and then you close your eyes this what you see that was brown what you see that was brown you wouldn't really remember but you would remember the red thing so absolutely yeah I think it's yeah anyways it's it's it's super

fascinating but that's wild so you experienced that firsthand at Area 51 any other technology I mean one one area that might be worthy of discussion is uh one of the top five episodes for Joe Rogan uh and and and the subject of a lot of Mythology and lore in UFO world is Bob lar right who claimed to claimed to work at Area 51 a special compartment of it called S4 yeah nobody knew what area 51 was before Bob Lazar Lazar came out and so a lot of people are like his

uh I mean it's I I don't know about Bob Lazar story of his true or not I mean seems like he's telling the truth it seems genuine but uh I don't know I don't know if you're going to talk about your theory on that but I think that's pretty I think that's pretty cool man and I'd lean into that pretty heavily as far as like that's probably what's going on man yeah I mean I don't know I I'm happy to say it okay I think you should uh well yeah I mean well I want to focus this B back on you you're the real guest of honor but but I I will I I I think

that Bob Lazar was kind of a limited hangout of a person and so uh what I mean by that is he would provide highle Frameworks where you know it's like that cicada challenge or whatever for the NSA or something or is NSA or CIA or something where it's like if you have a spe a really impressive mathematical and like puzzle you know piecing ability or whatever online you get it you get recruited or whatever and so Bob bzar comes out he says gravity a gravity B says all these things about you know

stable versions of these you know elements that like not aware of and if you investigate that and jump the bar to the you know where you show a level of prowess or ability with these Tech highly technical Concepts and actually kind of read the tea leaves on them then maybe you get recruited to the program 100% the reason why I think this was important for you to bring them the reason I dug into that a little bit with you is because this type of stuff happens throughout the military as well and so I'd like to give an example of that if I could yeah um and and also

because I think it ties into maybe possibly why I was exposed to what I was exposed to okay um so and I I'll bring that full circle but what there was one point in the Q course and again the Q course is a training program to become a Green Beret um they randomly and this this isn't uncommon so it didn't strike me as odd at at the beginning of this um they just told us we're going to do a run and they said just run until you're told to stop do your best right this common way of uh them evaluating you you don't know how far you're going to go do your best that's a difficult that adds a level of

stress okay and that's what they're trying to do in a lot of these cases um so you start running running down a path um a soft sand Trail which sucks to run on um and during the run I remember as as I'm going along the Route the trees had something posted on trees as I was running and one tree had like a face posted like a image head shot of somebody I noticed it and then another tree had a red seven another tree had a blue three another tree had another face

and so there's just every so often another tree had a something posted on it and so I'm mentally noting this like significant for some reason yes um and at the end of The Run we it's just ended up being like a sixmile run for time um people that did well on the Run got sectioned off people who didn't got sectioned off and people who did well in the Run got brought to an area where we took a test and the test was all the red numbers add all the green number subtract and which faces did you see and so you go through and you you do this quick test and then people that did well in the test

section off and and so on and it was an evaluation for another unit in the military above you know these units and so they do that they do that kind of stuff often at least in the military so I don't see why a agency like the CIA wouldn't recruit people the same type of way evaluate you without you're being realize you're being evaluated you're going to get a genuine you know you're going to get genuine good people or good at what you're looking for them to be good at totally yeah yeah and it's not

enough to tip the hat to the adversary and might even throw them off the trail in a sense but to some like initiated Elite you know person then all of a sudden you get into the program or something so and so yeah I think I think those type of tests happen often you know especially in the military and especially at the level of Special Operations I think they're looking for guys to just that display certain characteristics to do other work Y and if they identify that then you end up and and I think maybe that's why I ended up where ended up seeing what I saw

maybe something triggered something that they said let's see and and that happened so why don't we set this up for the audience what is Naval surface Warfare Crane and why were you there to begin with yeah so I I didn't have any particular knowledge about that it just ended up being the place where we were doing this training this particular course was to do some Advanced weapons training uh my job in Special Forces was an 18 Bravo 18 braavos are your weapon Sergeant on the team and your responsibility is to be proficient on hundreds of different types of weapon

systems foreign and domestic weapon systems um and that's everything from handguns rifles up to to rocket launchers and uh recoiless rifles mortars any type of Manpower weapon system um so you can work over like a 100 weapons yourself yeah yeah wow I mean but it's it's you just what you do that's what you your focus is so you know so this was just another course and uh one of the focuses of this particular particular training was the mark 44 minigun okay um that's a a somewhat

complicated weapon system um so it it requires an extra level of training and we were there going over that uh the scar had a new iteration uh of of it and we were going over that so it's just just uh going over Special Operations Socom weapons yep and uh and more advanced training like becoming an armor on some of those weapon systems which allows you to do a higher level of care and maintenance for the team were you there with a unit or I was there with a group of guys some guys there were armorers for their unit um

some tier one units some special operations units uh some guys were a couple other Green Berets um there were only a few of us me and one other guy that ended up exposed to what we're exposed to um and so yeah I'm going to I want to show you this yeah I think it's important to the valid validity of what I'm saying so I don't know how you want to yeah well for the for the intense skeptic out there you have Naval surface Warfare Center crane Division and Randy

M Anderson so there you go and it's in my d214 as well which is I provide you with and it's in your what my DD214 DD214 okay so that's your your record everything done in the military is documented there so so you were yeah clear you were there by all intense purposes man it was it was a normal actually kind of rundown facility it was it's huge uh crane Indiana is in the middle of freaking nowhere and it's also known for its Naval Readiness in general right it's part of the navc program and

I've heard I don't know if this is true or comports with your understanding but that there's some coordination between uh Crane and and right Patterson Air Force Base it makes sense based on some of the stuff that happened and there's also a civilian company that was tied to it that's tied to some exotic stuff as well so kind of dig into that and see well there's um AIC is a very interesting contractor with some history in in that area and I I've also I'm friends with actually Navy special Warfare guy and he'll say some pretty

interesting stuff to me he'll say like the Air Force guys those guys talk yeah and he's like the Navy guys they never speak and they experience way more weird he was like look at the tenure of Nuclear Navy engineers and he was like tell me like that's not the highest churn job you've ever experienced he's like those people seeing crazy stuff underwater in these nuclear subs and you think about it you know all the stuff around UFOs and nukes people with Q clearances they're above land yeah if you're in this contained vessel terrifying terrifying in some

remote you know part of the world or whatever and then you see you know some sort of non-human entity sort of try to disrupt your comms or shut shut down your power I mean right I'm out right I can't if I can't shoot it yeah pretty crazy so you're doing like kind of combat training stuff at crane yeah weapons training weapons training then what happens a couple days into the training we're doing really well me and this guy were doing very well and we got pulled to the side at the end of the day on a regular training day and we stayed

after and we're talking with the the cad instructors and uh they somebody else had come into the room and we thought we maybe were just getting um some extra stuff because we're doing well and uh they ended up telling us we're going to go check out some foreign weapons we went to another part of the of the facility went to another building in that building we went into an elevator we took an elevator down which that was the first odd thing is that it felt like we went down significantly further than

like you would think you would I I mean it was just awkward it just stood out you went way underground I don't know if it was way but it was it was further down than like a few floors you know so I don't know how far I don't how fast was going I didn't know I needed to pay attention to it at the time uh it was just it's just something that stood out to me that it was we were going underground and these are pretty well documented now across the America you know underground military facilities and so okay so you're going underground did you did you know that there was an underground complex at crane before this

okay absolutely not NOP wasn't briefed on it didn't know about it didn't have so what's going through your mind at this point you're going down underground in an elevator with these random instructors well at the end of the day man I'm a soldier and I do what I'm told so I'm just just following orders just going and okay we're going to go here go stand there do this um but I'm being I'm observing you know I'm kind of it's it's starting to feel different you know um the the mood has definitely become more serious you know the the the people we were with were were seem serious and me

and the other guy were just being quiet and you know not showing any emotion as we're training to do so uh we get under there uh door opens we go through uh security type checkpoint I remember the first thing that stood out to me was that the it was significantly more modern than everything up top and that that was odd um the lighting and everything seemed more modern uh just seemed more uh upkept yeah kind of state-ofthe-art mhm uh it's very streamlined how things operated down

there as you can tell it was like very regimented uh just like you walk on this everybody walked on the right side to go down the hall people coming this way walked on their right it's just there was like a a line on the wall you follow to different you know how like the hospitals sometimes have like a line to follow to this the emergency room it was kind of that that seemed like it was that I mean I wasn't 100% paying attention to that I was just had observed it uh upon getting under there or getting down there um we moved through a security checkpoint and then

we started looking at some foreign weapons stuff and they were telling us about the uh some Russian and Chinese weapon systems that were captured I I don't want to go too into the details on this stuff um is still within uh to kind of close proximity to that sure that I don't I don't want to go too far but basically it was pretty advanced stuff that they had been using that was captured probably I would assume by agency types that were operating in the area and had come across stuff that seemed exotic uh it wasn't anything that would strike me as beyond what I'd

expect us to find or people to have the capability of making but it was it was interesting for sure um just the type of ammunition and the way the weapon systems operated it was there was kind of kind of exotic unconventional yeah unconventional I would say not so much exotic but unconventional for sure okay um and so we we talked about that for a little bit and they kind of felt like it was sort of um evaluating our thoughts on it maybe uh seeing you know we are weapons experts and so maybe they just

wanted another set of eyes on it maybe just evaluating to see what what we came up with maybe they were evaluating us for see how what we could find out about I don't know I don't know you know this like I said I've thought about this a lot and maybe they knew and they were testing you maybe they didn't know and they genuinely wanted your help there's a whole host of possibilities absolutely and I don't want to say it was one of the I don't know um but again we did that for a bit and then uh at any point did you say hey why are we down here just kind of yeah yeah yeah and you

wouldn't it's not it's not the way things are done so you just do you totally do thing and if you're ever like going to be denied access to the most interesting stuff it's by asking questions like that probably yeah bet you probably just want to kind of go with it at that point okay so you're looking at this exotic or not exotic but unconventional adversary technology yes yes um and again it was really interesting and and I I think we came up with a couple ideas what we thought about it and uh purpose and functionality and and then uh they they

kind of the two guys we were with spoke for a little bit and then we and almost and again I'm I'm a lot of this is me trying to remember and so I don't know if I'm getting everything perfect but uh in hindsight looking back I would assume maybe they were deciding if we were going to go further yeah um and they ultimately decided we would I guess cuz we we went down ended up going through another security checkpoint which that was odd because we had already gone through a significant level of security and so I thought that was odd this was more like going into a skiff okay uh

what I would compare it to and when you do that you I mean everything it's you take your watch off anything electronic's gone y um so for the audience ski is secret compartmentalized information facility corre yeah and it's basically it's like a faraday cage on steroids so that any calms that take place within the skiff are completely offline anything that goes into the ski can't come out can't come out and and yeah so it's it's just a very uh protected facility um for good reason and so yeah it was it was that level of

of security which is the highest level security I've seen or dealt with and so that that was strange too cuz we had already gone through a pretty robust security checkpoint to get under there and are they checking your clearance at each point or no uh no I mean you're already that's already done when we got to the training so they know who we are you know and um it was more just like do you have anything right now on you yeah that's what it felt like like a TSA on steroid sort of situation yeah yeah yeah oh yeah for sure um but yeah and then uh

you go through that you put your stuff in a box gets locked into a box and then you go through another check point area I a scan and whatever else right um not uncommon but seemed highly unusual for for this mhm um after that we moved on down another hallway and got into an area that had a marking on the wall and said offworld technology said offworld technology that yeah that's insane so

immediately that I mean immediately my bells go off I was it engraved or was it was it it was did it look like it was written in marker or something or it was but it wasn't like it was like permanent it was like somebody like stuck a placard in kind of okay you know like so I don't know it could have been it could have been a setup it could have been something just thrown together but it could have been something that's just how they had but it said offworld technology yeah that obviously started to feel what um what the [ __ ] is

going on right um yeah so me and the guy are looking at each other the other guy that's there he's another Green Beret we're like what the [ __ ] you know kind of giving each other that look and uh yeah we that was that was where the weird [ __ ] started um so yeah we go into into the room and uh the the one room these significantly higher level of Technology like the lighting looked you know everything was just it was more

between the sphere and the podium itself correct and I remember at one point like trying to angle myself like what how is that do you think it could have been some sort of magnetic levitation okay maybe but it's just levitating there it was just levitating did it look like a prosaic like like this wood table where if you were to you know touch it it would act like a normal object did it look holographic what did it look like it so okay this is that's a good question um then what stood out to me

was the the way the metal looked it looked unnatural was the and I I talked with gerb about this and he he kind of dug in on this I me and I'm like dude I don't know how to describe it all I can tell you is it didn't look natural it didn't look like anything I could compare it to interesting yeah so like it didn't it almost looked like off world it fit the bill yeah and and then also there was a I mean and this could have been anxiety or or anything else but uh the energy in

the room man was just different what was what was the feeling you got looking at this thing uh just an unease uneasy uh ominous that's the best way I could describe it did it feel powerful or or conscious or did it feel like this inanimate object or didn't feel inanimate it didn't feel conscious it just felt like this was significant and it could have been the the way that they brought us in it could have been all the

buildup it could have been that do you have any extra context at this point did the instructors at any point are they in the room with you by the way they are acting like this is a normal Tuesday and that's what [ __ ] me up even more like I like that's I was oddly very strange man like this I mean been exposing anything like this before that or since so and they didn't say so what you're about to experience is kind of trippy they just took you into this room they just and and and maybe that was part of the point it could have absolutely just been something that triggered on a evaluation for me and this guy and they

brought us out there to see if we would react to the technology that could have been a part of it do you ask them at any point well they so after a moment I mean have a moment to like kind of drink that in and then they were talking about and they were kind of talking to us and each other it it felt just weird man almost like it was they were purposely making awkward I would say but maybe it's just because I was in a weird situation do you know anything about these instructors as far as like do they have physics background or military background most of them have military

background a lot of them come out of the same type of Special Operations that we were in some at least some of them um but they are uh civilian contracted companies that are working for yeah for Crane gerb has come up with some really interesting research around how this is possibly saic and how they sure done some Contracting work with uh crane in the past and saic is pretty deep in Consciousness research in fact they were one of there's the CIA has a psychic spy program this is fully by the way

that I've ever experienced in my presidency was a remote viewer her name I believe was Rosemary Smith basically there was this tu22 um uh spy plane Russian spy plane that had downed had gone down in Africa all of Africa is the Target and this woman draws a 3 squ m radius in Zer where they find the plane and so and he freaks out and he's there's an audio of him saying this and so for anybody out there you should look into this this this is a real program saic in paloalto was

running a lot of the operations later for for Stargate and and the psychic spy program so they're extremely interested in this and our friend UAP gerb has dug up a lot of research around saic's work with Crane and there are other instances by the way of tests going on with people and their psionic connection and there's a guy named Chris bledo you're probably familiar with North Carolina yes a guy Nam crazy story crazy story and a guy named Tim Taylor is an as submission controller we were talking about him

last night shows up in bled so's life yep shows him a a piece of space material and somehow bledo knows that it's like not from here yeah and then and and and there's this interesting kind of reaction and then Tim Taylor says why you or something like he knows that at that point bledo does actually have this genuine psychic ability or something well dude that's funny that you bring that up because I 100% when I saw that sphere could say that I would if if I had no other context even though I had

the off world technology label you know um if I had none of that I would have been like that's not from here right more context or corroboration that maybe your story isn't happening in a in a vacuum m there's a story of Yuri Geller where again say what you will about the guy I think there might have been some snake oil and some of the stuff that he was doing but he was brought over by a guy named Andre puharich who was part of Consciousness research going on in the US but also was doing weird MK Ultra stuff as well he brings uh over Yuri Geller Yuri Geller has a a crazy story

with Warner Von Brun who's the father of the German and American space programs ran our Saturn program that took us to the Moon where Von braa shows him a again a piece of space material in a safe and Yuri Geller is able to deduce that this is not from here whatever and so this seems to be kind of this recurring Trope yeah well I mean I definitely felt that when I saw the object I did not say that and I think they I think they were trying to see if we had a reaction to it and I mean

because there was an awkward moment of silence like I said and and it and then they started talking about it and maybe maybe they were discussing it to get further reaction out of us but they started talking about that it was recovered in a from a a craft that had crashed they said that they did say that wow so they said this orb was actually recovered from a craft but it it itself was not the craft correct whoa yeah so what do we think I mean did you extrapolate anything from that as far as what role the orb played in the crafts

overall working so I want to be careful how what I what I say I remember and don't remember cuz this was a while ago but I want to say I remember them talking about it being a control mechanism for the craft some type of control mechanism for the craft and I don't remember if they had said that to each other or to us um like I said there was kind of a two-way conversation happening they were talking a little bit back and forth to each other and then talking giving us uh bits of information also so I don't remember exactly how that came out but I do remember them

saying that it was potentially part of a control mechanism and that it interacted with conscious bus I wanted to ask a question I didn't but I'm like how would that how would they know that right wow so okay you see this orb levitating on this Podium then what happens um so we we spent a little time there and then we went to the next object and it was another metallic object very very strange looking same type of vibe it looked it's hard to describe because it

didn't get a full view of it but it looked like something you could like reach in and grab mhm and pick up and maybe it was something that would uh you could put on your arm or so something that would use it would have to use it with their arm that's the best way I can describe it like like a gauntlet like a gauntlet yeah this a good analogy or maybe something that would like be like a shield but but uh and it had like a a crystal type of uh display screen M or I don't know if it was a display screen it

was Square rectangular uh looked like it would potentially be display screen and it was sitting it was not levitating it was sitting on a like a a table uhuh and at that point like I'm looking at it and and it almost looked like a mirage type of effect and in that above that display screen were these hieroglyphic symbols that I started to see appear what yeah hieroglyphic SYM that's the best way I could describe them and I don't

know they were anything going through your mind at this point as you're saying yeah I was [ __ ] in bricks I mean yeah was Terri terrifying I mean and are you trying to figure out I'm just trying to be cool man I'm trying to not look like I'm trying to act normal yeah I don't know what's happening I don't know what I'm what's what this is for I'm just trying to just act like everything's fine yeah and in retrospect have you been able to deduce what any of these symbols were or Draw them up or

what they mean so I've I've randomly like I like I told you I I'm meditating all this stuff now and and during meditations I've had a couple times where they've come I've thought about it and they've come into my my thoughts also the lawyer um Danny shean Danny she yeah he had talked about him and they he had drawn some that looked a lot like what I saw lot like what you saw said for context for the audience Danny shean 1974 or five was taken into a skiff again secret compartmentalized information facility in Washington DC uh

in the side of this big embankment in one of the photos I could see these symbols that were all around the base of the of the Dome and I took out the helipad and I opened it up to the inside cardboard of it and I slid it under the the microfish machine and I focused it so that I could see the symbols uh and then I traced the symbols exactly uh uh verbatim you know all the way around this the half of the the the Dome that I

could see and I just put him all I just traced all of them I saw that show and what he had draw is very close to what I seen and also I want to touch on something else that this correlates with documentary that I saw on YouTube about DMT yeah and these guys were doing uh they were doing experiments with DMT and they found that everybody was seeing these same symbols when they did Shine a laser a certain way and and kind of did a defract the laser yep in a way that you do like the double slit experiment yes and in in the defraction they saw

these symbols and those symbols are the same that's fascinating yeah Danny Jones does this amazing uh show on this and these guys are they're doing DMT they're showing they're showing a laser in a specific way exactly to create this defraction effect and then their kind of interpretation of this is like they're seeing almost like the source code like a binary code behind what we're seeing which that sounds absolutely absurd but if you take physicists like John Wheeler seriously

yeah or people like Claude Shannon who wasn't really more kind of information Theory but like maybe the universe is more information theoretic at its at its core and we are rendering it in real time and maybe when you take DMT you you ascend into these higher States and you can actually look at the source code itself it's fascinating and what does it mean then if that source code is in the same language of whatever I saw on that device and whatever well that Danny saw on that craft that makes me think that these things offworld might be a slight

misnomer and it might be a an interior fabric to the reality that we're in every day or something something even more fundamental to what we're seeing or something probably touching on something but when you're looking at these hieroglyphics you obviously don't have the context of the Danny shean interview or whatever at that point so are you what's going what's the first thing that goes through your head as to like what this is um well first thing is like am I hallucinating or is am I seeing that I was squinting and looking at it and I

think even one of the guys that was with us had asked me like cuz he saw me looking at it and asked me if like are you everything all right or I don't remember exactly what he said but he kind of inquired to why I was looking at it and I was like oh yeah and I just kind of brush it off and you know forgot about it but I mean not only did I see the symbols but they were like changing in like to different symbols so there was there there was a movement to them as well so they weren't just like static it's almost like a like a like a they were shuffling in and out you ever

see uh Predator yeah yeah you know how when he has a little Communicator thing and he's like going to blow himself up and it like does a little countown I kind of look like that do you feel like it was like a a holographic display or like that the technology showing it did it feel prosaic or did it feel like just something you'd never seen before as far as the display itself holographic sure could have been but it was very crisp you know like where I would feel I feel like the holographic technology I've seen it like CES or whatever it's it's almost like kind of hard to like you can

see that it's a light you can tell that it's not yeah it's not a solid object not a physical object yes you could you could see in that case that it was like a light display and in this case does it almost feel like it's like part of reality itself yeah that's a good way to put it wow mhm and oh man there's so many places to take this like we were talking last night and a lot of the early cryptographers if you look at like I think he's a 14th century guy trithemius would write about

cryptography in the context of Angel communication and even today like we're in LA right now there are all sorts of people who say that they feel like they're communicated with by ETS or Angels maybe those are you know the same thing yeah via these like you know 111 222 33 you know all sorts of people sort of say things like that and you can kind of laugh it off but that is actually a long-standing tradition Queen Elizabeth had a chief spy and magician right his name was John D and he claimed

to communicate with angels via what he would call an noan language and I showed you some of these symbols aler Crowley said you know similar thing he's probably a darker version of this you know not necessarily the most Savory guy but um he would communicate with these you know a through a noan language and you said that these symbols looked somewhat like what you had seen yes yeah that's fascinating yeah I have a whole bunch of different perspectives that I think about because of seeing all this stuff after the fact yeah and I and I

and our minds are very fallible you know and so I I don't know how much I I don't want to over speak it and and add something that's not true on accident so well I think the core details are I like trying to keep it to that because I don't want to to to screw with it but it would appear like it's it's some kind of communication tool it's it's for sure it's trying to tell you something did you feel like anything got downloaded into you or you were received a message

or not at that point what definitely I could say after the fact is that it changed everything for me after that and I don't know that it was because of the objects or because of what Expos or if it was just because it made me think differently and led me down a different path so what happens at that point do you turn to these instructors and you say hey guys what the hell was that you just get let out of the room what happened well yeah so they we discussed a little bit more stuff I remember they they spoke about the object a little it got brought up that uh that somebody was

potentially harmed in the retrieval of that item okay The Gauntlet or the yeah the second item um that it had discharged some kind of energy that somebody had been harmed or even possibly killed and they were they were discussing that and then uh we went back through the scare check points we we got upstairs we were told not to discuss it with anybody else in the class they were pretty serious when they told us that and um I'm pretty sure in our initial whenever you go to like a military course initially like the first day or two is like admin stuff and so you're

filling out all your your paperwork and getting everything ready to start the class and the training and so I'm sure we sign you don't read all stuff especially when you go to class after class um so I'm sure we sign ndas and and stuff in that beginning part we didn't sign anything additional after that so there's nothing nothing remarkable about that we were just told not to discuss it with the class and that or not to discuss it outside of that so that was it that was it go back to your normal life go back to your normal life I never was exposed to

anything else again and never got brought up again I never spoke to the other Green Beret again he was from a different team uh different uh group and and we never spoke about it again I now personally know from some contacts in Navy special Warfare that Naval surface Warfare crane does deal in the most exotic adversary Weaponry it also deals with the doe the department of energy and our nuclear capabilities and it frequently coordinates with Wright Patterson Air Force Base which is just a 3-hour drive away in fact my contacts

told me that if rright Patterson is the center of the Air Force's most exotic off-world reverse engineer engineering efforts Naval surface Warfare crane is the center of the Navy's off-world reverse engineering efforts all of this just further corroborates Randy's story and where have we heard of off-planet Technology before well Harold mgram a top adviser to JFK Nixon LBJ and Ford claimed that he was personally briefed on other world Technologies by Richard Bissell of the CIA this story is a huge

risk doing that and who am I to protect my little story I think it's important it's part of the story and you know I think it's important to tell it because it adds to The credibility and of all these guys that are doing it so I just think it's it's the right thing to do hopefully there's other people that have that can explain what that was I mean that would be some nice closure for me to be able to find out if that was actually off worldold Tech how has your life changed since that experience because even though you weren't able to speak about it again you

never experienced anything like it where you were maybe shown secret Tech in a facility I can imagine that just being extremely ontologically shocking to the point where your your aperture your your your your measurement tool that is you know what you see and are interested in opens up well I mean yeah immediately that that changed for me I got back that night later than everybody else obviously to the barracks and I couldn't sleep and I sit up all night thinking about are like does this mean aliens are

real like what is this mean and and I just it was a it was absolutely shocking to to my state of awareness and my belief systems and it it took a bit took a bit for me to to wrap my mind around that and yeah what helped was it kind of sent me down the rabbit hole of all this stuff I started digging into the the other stories I started taking them maybe more seriously and and not just brushing them off as as [ __ ] you know and so it did it did open my aperture it did allow me to start

looking at other things then I started uh we talked about the Steven GFF stuff and he talked about Consciousness and meditation being a component of communications to started meditating um and and all those things have helped benefit me in my life in significant ways so it's almost been healing in some sense or something initially it wasn't and and because it because of that I think It ultimately turned out to be yeah I think that's a common story of you experienc something kind of paranormal it shocks you it busts you

out of your comfort zone and then you realize your comfort zone was actually kind of limited and not always the most positive orientation towards the world and this opens you up to all these other possibilities and it can be dark and scary and lonely but it also leads you down kind of a more spiritual path I think the big component of that was I was so in my ego at those times like obviously I did jobs like being a fireman and being a green beray not because I wanted recognition for that stuff I did it because I wanted to to help people and and and do something

good for people um that's what drove me to those careers um but also there was a part of me that enjoyed being recognized as that as that person right um like people look at fireman like your Local Heroes and green Braes are badasses and that I thought that was cool um after that that happened and I and I like I told you last night I kind of had sort of an ego death I would call it and I didn't give a [ __ ] about any of that anymore yeah but but it allowed me to appreciate the

things I've done more because it wasn't anymore about like what people thought about it it was just because it was the right thing to do and I felt good about even better about it sounds pretty positive sure yeah and uh meeting Michael Herrera how how did that come about for context for the audience Michael Herrera has gone on a couple of podcasts probably most notably Sean Ryan and this is a guy who was definitely deployed in Indonesia he was with his unit and he sees a craft what I remember

is kind of like a pyramid uh shape at the top like this cuz I remember seeing some shading and then it had Corners right and I remember seeing these vents as least that's what it looks like on each of the corners like this so there a vent here and it was like it was positioned on the lines like this um and then on each Corner when this thing took off it had lights that would pop on which would have been like red yellow green and blue are the only

ones I remember that kind of had a line that went like this and that uh it had some sort of scale pattern that it you know I estimate is octagonal but it be it could honestly be circular it could be square I wasn't close enough to depict it this was the blackest darkest thing that I have ever seen in my life all of a sudden this like what he thinks maybe is this doe Department of energy paramilitary unit

yeah with far superior weaponry and kind of apparel shows up basically swears his unit to secrecy and takes control of the situation he was later back channeled with from somebody claiming to be part of the quote unquote Legacy UFO program and this person says hey you saw some really gnarly stuff out there what we were doing is actually and this is where it gets dark and weird rounding up people from disaster zones like

Indonesia at the time and testing their psionic ability so their ability to interact with these exotic crafts so that we could maybe you know basically do flight testing with with these people and again it's just another data point for your story because you're talking about this kind of mind matter connection and they're doing that stuff in Indonesia and this is a guy by the way in Michael Herrera correct me if I'm wrong because you know him well I think

he own runs a very successful business in Colorado like he like it's literally zero reason if anything he's lost business over coming out he it did not yeah it doesn't benefit him to do this like he he did it because the same reason I'm doing it it's it was the right thing to do um yeah I me his story is crazy man like definitely people should look into that because like who knows how much dark stuff's really going on tied to all this and if that's why they they fight to keep this secet part of this so compartmentalized and secret I I don't know man and how

did you meet him was it through your newfound interest and kind of out there stuff from your experience well yeah and then some of the stuff he talked about like he brought up some of the the stuff that the unit had it I knew some of the I added some stuff that I thought maybe we we chatted on social media and then kind kind of just became friends through okay yeah it's it's it's interesting once you kind of come out of the woodwork stick your head out of the water you see oh there maybe there's some other people who experienced some pretty crazy stuff I've found through my

own you know research in this area I think the common misconception is civilians they're conspiratorial people in the government they're like these normies or something it's the opposite absolutely people in the government are more conspiratorial than people outside of the government and I think it's because there are people like you you're you're the extreme version of this but there are so many people like you who've experienced weird stuff while working in the government where and then it's like this kind of don't look over there but like you kind of file it away forever and you kind of saw the little thing in

the in the room you weren't supposed to look at or whatever and there's a lot of that yeah it's we say like peering behind the curtain like once you do that like you can't go back can't go back I think we're both aware and it's kind of an Open Secret at this point I mean you have Ross colar say publicly on news Nation there's a story it's going to break in January you know things are going to get kind of crazy uh it seems like an Open Secret in UFO disclosure world that A lot's going to come out in this area it is and I I

think both of us feel that that could be extremely positive and extremely negative and it's a Pandora's Box and um I've always formerly been on the side of release as much as we can because I think the public deserves to know the truth but then it's it's funny as you get to this kind of exciting you know things are bursting at the seams Tipping Point it also gets a little scary and you realize that there is something adaptive about materialist reductionism

and thinking that this world we live in is extremely limited and just like random atoms bouncing off of one another like there's something actually very adaptive about that from like leading your life in a normal way day-to-day basis and so how do we lead this in a in a in in a positive way obviously based on what I'm doing my belief is that the truth is what we all need to fight for right getting the truth out and I think it's important but also maybe there is a maybe there is a component of this

that's there's a reason why some of this was kept back uh maybe there is a and I can say that there certainly is part of it that if it was told to everyone would would change reality but ultimately it needs to happen I just think there we have to be ready for it as well yeah I don't know what that looks like but I think what you're doing is is a huge part of that I mean getting awareness out there about it talking about it our reality might not be what

we think and we might have we might have stumbled across this historically in the past and it might have been bad then you know well the the point you're getting at I think is the fact that we're not alone in the universe is not the tip of the spear that's not the thing that it's funny you hear reporters like Ross Kart Jeremy Corbell people who are honestly closer than people like me I'm maybe a little more risk averse as far as speaking to people in and around the quote unquote Legacy UFO program and it seems like

they always get to a point in the conversation at the end of the conversation where the person on the inside says you would not be Pro disclosure if you knew everything I knew and I worry that there's actual Merit to that I do because I think we're dealing with sacred spiritual things ontological truths and at least in the military context you're talking about that in a using that in instrumental you know weaponised way you know ways that are

kind of uh uh not sacred you know like for our kind of brutal you know uh needs and desires and and geopolitical realities MH and that's weird territory yeah man I think I think there's a lot of Merit to that there's things I wouldn't want my my son for example to know I wouldn't want him to know that that's a true part of reality so what does that mean for everyone I don't know it's a tricky slippery it's extremely tricky because like you drive around La you drive around any major city Las

Vegas any major city in the US and you look around and from a kind of architecture infrastructure perspective most of these places have not been they're crumbling they haven't been updated since the' 60s and 7s and now we have it's interesting the National Science Foundation officially coming out saying we're looking into extended electrodynamics and that is uh basically this new paradigm in science that involves a scalar field exotic electromagnetic wave types that get into

like you know the works of Tesla this kind of unknown guy named Thomas towns and who's now probably being Vindicated yeah and you're talking about the ability to manipulate gravity through electromagnetism and do all sorts of stuff through you know highspeed rail let's bring the Concord back with with with with flight that you know get to Europe in an hour whatever um and so that's really important right that's important and ontological Truth is important and then there are you know risk factors as well and so it's this

weird technological forcing function where it can be really good and it can be really bad yeah and I I mean I sure as iell don't know the answer I just I hope that we're contributing in a positive way I think we have to listen to the people closest to the action on these things and so it's like the the experiencers you're an experience or at least of the technology and most of those people say they come out saying we're getting a warning that you know these things care about our nuclear facilities because that is the center of

the Apocalypse if you were to place the end of the world anywhere would be at these these Q clearance facilities where we could blow up the world yeah and so the fact that they're showing up there is probably a warning to it's not they're not I don't think they're prepping the battle space I think they are like doing recon on our abilities I think they're saying don't blow yourselves up but I I could be right that's again our our interpretation but well yeah and so I can look at that both ways because I could look at it from from just my human open heart way of looking at it and say yeah I agree and

then the tactical mindset I have tells me but we don't prepare for the best case scenario we prepare for the worst case scenario right and so what is that and that is they are prepping the battlefield so we have we have to observe and be aware and be ready sure so interesting I mean we talked about Diana Pula this religious studies Professor so cool man she's amazing and she wrote a book about modern UFO phenomena as a religious phenomena and she meant to write about it as a scop a psychological oper she was like I think this is probably all fake then she falls

in it and she's like oh my God this is very real yeah and it's this interesting thing where you stare at the abyss long enough it starts to stare back or whatever you fall into it and she's like oh my God this this becomes real and almost realizes that what we are looking at now is what a lot of divine contact experiences have been in the past and she talks about St Francis of aisi who sees this flaming torch you know orb thing on Mount lever in I think uh 12th or 13th century Italy

and it's to him it's this forcing function towards God and he he actually has electrom what seems like electromagnetic radiation as a result of this experience what we would Now call that yeah and and then actually writes in his diary the last thing he writes is the Greek letter Tao which means conversion and so it's like this forc it's like he had this Angelic experience and it's this forc conversion to Christianity and then it's called the Stigmata because there was a stigma around his exper and you talk about

modern UFO Abduction cases there's this big stigma and there's this like you know desire to not disclose and this you know it's so fascinating yeah yeah I especially like a lot of the stuff she talks about when she talks about these all these people that have been key contributors to like rocketry and and the way that they got their ideas and that's wild man yeah that the fathers what are we missing like what what do I need to be doing I'm not doing you know like that's kind of [ __ ] I started digging into and you know I mean there's

something to it well the inter whenever somebody's doing something kind of trippy or unconventional but they're also a key contributor in a conventional sense to a core program or capability you have to look into that and so in this case the fathers of all of the space programs American space program is a guy named Jack Parson founded jet propulsion Labs the Russian space program a guy named chovsky MH and then the German Space Program won Bron all of these guys

thought that they were in touch with non-human entities and they were doing Tesla is a great example too Tesla said that he communicated with extraterrestrials in Colorado so yeah you have to start maybe taking some of these things seriously and a lot of these guys say that that that is actually essential to our you know their ability to actually work in these rocketry programs and so this guy named Tim Taylor who is a modern NASA mission contr works with Elon Musk I've met this guy and I actually am invested

in a rocket company and I was at you know was it was struggling and I was like man how do we get this thing to work cuz he's this famous NASA Mission controller I like give me advice or whatever and I was grasping at straws and he goes you have to think about what they want as far as how to get the rocket to work and I was like they you mean like non-human intell yeah that's wild wild yeah and I'm I'm listening to this guy I'm like he I opic I don't know but he's a he's a real NASA Mission controller yeah works at the highest level well D look at all the names of

the programs right like they that tell you something too right Artemis yeah and they started looking into that the iconography the second century Latin writing exactly man like it starts to I mean just just keep your eyes open yeah it feels like 2025 is sort of uh Consciousness apotheosis of sorts you have all of these converging accelerating Dynamics and you have artificial intelligence you have open AI anthropic you know all sorts of

spin outs and offshoots of of of these organizations that are buying up tons and tons of Nvidia chips and in this massive race and then the US Visa China mainly China but also Russia and you know other other adversaries you have this Global AI race you have you know the um Google Quantum Sycamore processor that they just announced that they say might theoretically prove the many world's hypothesis it's crazy it's crazy you have those two things and then you also have the David grush Revelations

that we're talking about today and that your testimony you know really uh provides more evidence for which is that we're not alone and that reality is way weirder than we think and all three of these things seem to be converging and I interviewed a guy named Matthew Pines he's pretty connected in the kind of National Security world and he said that you know somebody in a very cleared to a lot of things I think at the Pentagon said something like AI Quantum plus the grush stuff yeah and that that iron triangle of Dynamics will unleash a whole host of crazy possibilities and as

you know people in the National Security State you know this guy or whatever he's like that's what we're tracking so yeah H how do we make sense of this dude I mean I I 100% think a lot of these things are connected in some way that we might not quite understand yet I don't know I mean we could theorize about it all day but um I know there are people that are trying to stay ahead of the game on that and example that is uh my my good friend Chris Wright he's uh he's CEO of a company called aitc the artificial intelligence trust Council

and I'm part of that as well and the mission for us is to try to slow down the growth of AI at least to a point where the people have a say in how how far this goes because right now it's it's it's a runaway train and no one really knows what's happening behind the curtain and there's really no oversight on a potentially the most deadly could be weapon system ever developed Y and what why say that is any significant

amount of Technology that's that's capable of doing great things is sometimes also capable of great destruction I'm telling you about drones that you could drop the size of smaller than the palm of your hand you can drop hundreds of thousands of them out of a back of a C130 and could be trained to individually seek out and kill individual targets oh without a human component to take away the human component from the decision to take a life that's I think that's where we're crossing a line we don't we shouldn't

cross it's extremely dystopian from a Warfare perspective as early as and probably earlier than this but like Donald Rumsfeld I remember you know in the bush 43 admin Secretary of defense his whole thing was we need to roboticize or

loop exactly right Russia the Russia thing the Russia thing is a great example was in the ' 80s or something you know and where where that guy could have this close that guy could have caused nucle you know Global cataclysm and because of his own moral conscience and no Superior he you know didn't uh uh uh basically uh uh activate the the new yeah what would an AI system have done it would have made the decision immediately to just neutralize the threat it would have been a a cold hard

calculation zero intuition yep and I think there's something about you know the whole AI conversation which is that the the brain is a turing machine and it's this you know calculator on steroids and so if the brain is just this calculator we're going to recreate Consciousness via Ai and I think it's this total misnomer and misunderstanding of the brain I in fact think we learn with low data sets babies come out of the w wom with some understanding of grammar a fear of

separated and they never interact with each other okay um they were dropping they were doing experiments they were dropping uh these potatoes on the island and they were getting covered in dirt and sand when they dropped them on the beach and one of the monkeys figured out oh if I just take it to the water and wash it off then I can eat it without the sand right simple thing well it taught other the other monkeys how to do it mhm and quickly the whole island knew how to do that as soon as that they called the hund monkey as soon as a certain number of monkeys were uh realized this is what they do suddenly

and instantaneously the other Island started doing it and so they didn't they don't know exactly what that mechanism is but they see think there's some kind of component of Consciousness that's tied to that that's allowing that to jump I think so and so and and there's other studies to that too like you saw the Stanford did the one with the light and the plants and and so there's a lot of that that's starting to like come out in science it's showing us that Consciousness might be there's a component to that's that's that's you know we don't understand at all well we might have deeper yeah speaking of like

uploading Consciousness to the cloud and how weird that sounds from an AI perspective that might be going on with our conscious like we might have a client server side interaction with our Consciousness but that's way more magical and robust and so a good example is the banister effect where upload times are slower than download times so breaking the 4minute mile as the first person is going to be much harder than downloading that you know going for already exists yeah and there's a guy named Rupert sheldrake who studies all

this stuff and he says that once you grow if you grow a a first crystal structure of its kind it takes a long amount of time because he thinks that that's proof that it's it's drawing from the local information field it hasn't been done before so it takes a while for that new crystal structure you grow that same crystal structure after that it becomes much faster yes if you make a new chemical compound for the first time and you crystallize it that Crystal form won have existed before because it's a new compound and the more often you crystallize it the easier it should get

for crystals of that kind to form and in fact that's amazing but it is actually really well known to chemists that new compounds are very difficult to crystallize you maybe wait years before you get the first Crystal but thereafter it gets easier to crystallize all around the world that's insane that's crazy I think about sometimes athletic accomplishments too where somebody pushes the bar just a little bit farther and then all of a sudden it just seems easier or something ostensibly and like you could attribute that to like modern

doping or something but I think it's something more than that it's almost as if an accomplishment that formerly was thought to be impossible is uploaded to a central monad or repository or something and then if somebody calls upon it with the right resonance in the future you know they it's it's it's that much easier because you have more more data in the repository or some something like that he also shows that if a thousand people or 10,000 people do a crossword puzzle and a new person does

that crossword puzzle the next day they'll finish it a little bit faster than a a random crossword puzzle that nobody has done prior that's a ties into the same thing with the 100th monkey man T same thing 100th monkey and and just Innovation popping up at different places around the world at the same time the invention of the wheel or the invention Diane talks about that too right where what rocketry kind of happening like Sous in different plac why is it happening in in in in in Russia and the US and and and then later in Germany all at the same time yeah

there's some sort of maybe predetermined Arc of techn and then you look at how science occurs and it's way more revelatory if you actually look at the descriptions from the scientists yeah they're not like I calculated XYZ and then the answer came to me they came to the architecture of the hydrogen atom came to Wolf Gang pal in a dream right the The Rock equation came to him while he was staring at the fire this idea that the mind is fully separate from an objective Material World I think that'll

probably go away pretty soon yeah there's a concept out there where I I forget who said it but they talk about us being like a a receiver yes and that the Consciousness field is like the is the signal and then we're just tapping into that field right I think that's a cool analogy that that actually makes a lot of sense when you start to answer some of these questions of how this is happening right totally I like that analogy though that kind of kind of sits well with me yeah I love that yeah transmission theory of conscious yeah tapping in man totally yeah and maybe

our job is to like work on us as receivers like work on the you know the the energy field around you think about it like that too like we're we're almost like a a technology ourself and we're if you you eat healthy and you work out you your the signal is better yeah right better information better downloads you know well what's happening when you Daydream are you constructing those thoughts actively no it seems like that you're receiving things from elsewhere like if you're in a dreamlike state yeah you are not consciously creating the semantic thoughts but they're pouring in

and there's this question in Neuroscience of like this like The Binding problem like they know how all the disperate parts of your brain work you know brok's area speech you know W's area is reading comprehension but we don't know how it Blends together into the SE perception and then they can remove a part that's supposed to do this thing and then it will find a way around and to rewrite and do it anyway exactly it's somehow malleable and understands how to yeah and it's like a it's like a radio like if you were to remove the capacitor or the battery of the radio maybe the music would stop playing or not playing the right way but you really

need to know that it's tapping into an electromagnetic field this antenna The Field's still there and that's how that's the thing tapping into you know of all these Four Seasons or whatever is playing you know like that's it's that it's the field it's not you know locally being produced inside of you what do you think per like just your opinion on that is that like the plank field is that is that where that sits is that it is that this is go gets into stuff that's way smarter than me and deeper than me but I think there's a subquantum field that

deals with Quantum potentials so vector and scaler potentials that deal with actually what we were talking about before as far as anomalies and electromagnetism where this guy named Loren who had this equation where he set the derivatives of the vector and scalar potentials to zero but in fact I think heavyside Oliver heavyside who kind of you know was one of the fathers of electromagnetism knew this and basically I think there's another field involving scalar and Vector potentials and that explains these anomalies in

electromagnetism like the aov bom effect where you don't have electric fields or magnetic fields present but you do have these potential present right and so maybe a lot arises around these potentials and maybe the potentials themselves are sort of the Quantum Code if you will of the universe which is kind of information theoretic all John Wheeler and again I'm speaking about things that are well beyond my pay grade but I mean but it ties into the same thing and I also like have you heard of

the uh the E8 Theory where it's like the eight dimensional quasi crystal is projecting reality onto man look that you that that that gets a little beyond my understanding of it CU I I mean I just this is like hobby level like looking into it for me me too I don't have that kind of I don't have the background but they talk about this uh that our reality is a projection from an eighth dimensional uhhuh plane and that all of and they can they can correlate that with all the different particles uh that tie into and the way they describe

is really cool like they show a thre diim a two-dimensional depiction of a threedimensional crystal on a like as a Shadow uhhuh and they show you how that can how it moves and rotates when they rotate the three-dimensional piece and they say if you can imagine that eight levels up like that that's how that's projecting down into 3D that's fast that's pretty cool man well it's almost like you know this like you have these platonic solids these you know platonic objects that like like a tesseract right you cannot visualize a tesseract you can only see the shadow of a tesseract right

and that's a 3D and that's a 3D object rendering of this H thing and then you have to ask is the world itself a 3D rendering of this higher thing going on which goes back to like Plato's Cave oh yeah and are we just rendering it in this like kind of low-level substrate that's all we can kind of comprehend and then there's that's the quantum uh what is it the double slit experiment that would explain you know how we collap collapse the wave function with Consciousness right I think an extremely valid hypothesis that's actually consistent with the Copenhagen school's

interpretation that measurement collapses the wave function is that there's something actually about our minds that are that collaps away function and every serious Quantum field theorist entertained this at the time and now you have modern Quantum theorists saying no it's it it's just the particles kind of you know once they interact they or you know once the waves interact they collapse into particles or whatever and it's like what about like what stroder himself thought or what what about what you know Von noyman thought well it's like uh you know Sean Carroll talks about this he's got like a

very strict view on this where it's like this is just how the math plays out or whatever and then you go like The Other Extreme where it's where it's like no this is saying that Consciousness is collapsing the way function and so do you is it actually whe when they say this now I don't know exactly the right answer this are they saying that the actual Act of measurement or just the act of observing which one so I Copenhagen School keeps it very humble in their claims and they just say the Act of measurement collapses a wave function and I'm glad you brought up

Sean Carroll because he's the most popular kind of quantum guy now and what he'll say is reality itself Quantum reality itself is probabilistic and but that is totally antagonistic and that is again and I'm a fan of Sean Carroll and he's like explained all sorts of things that like a stupid person like me can understand you know so I'm grateful to him but he'll say things like reality is fundamentally probabilistic like it like somehow Schrodinger's wave equation which is probabilistic is the substrate of

reality schinger himself would talk about Schrodinger's cat of being existing in super position right as a joke he did and there's even clips of Roger penr being like he wasn't serious he wasn't serious he didn't actually think that the cat could exist in super position almost using it as a way of like showing the ridiculous showing how ridiculous and weird as far as ontological truth the quantum stuff points to but saying we actually probably need to figure this out people often say well maybe with a sufficient technicality we could build

shing's cats that was not what schinger point was he was saying this is ridiculous you can't really have a cat which is dead and alive at the same time yeah but it was a m illustration of a wider point right that's right I love how science and this this esoteric thinking and and science is all kind of coming together in this unique way it's like you could you could look at it any way from any perspective and and you could find some truth you know it's awesome man well okay so there's a lot of good a lot of you know Consciousness raising we're going to get out of this

there might be some bad this is a Pandora box things are going to get crazy yeah how do we prepare for a world uh where this sort of you know stuff that's been kind of held in the back closet just gets busted wide open as far as just being prepared dude like if that's if that worst case scenario is what happens I think people need to start awareness is key right starting to be aware of what's going on start digging in start identifying for you what's true uh use your discernment uh into companies like ritc that's trying

to to to be a buffer for some of this and prevent the proliferation of AI and and and all these things you know join movements like ours um go to your local people in your local area in Vegas I have uh my company uh Bravo one defense I teach people how to how to do basic survival stuff uh how to operate weapon safely pistol rifle long range rifle um go to your people your local area didn't know that kind of stuff and train learn how to to be proficient with a weapon so

in case you need to use one you can um learn some basic survival skills how much food would you need to how much food would you need to store to survive six months with the grid down what kind of food would you want to store if you can't cook I mean other than Open Flame you know like there's things you need to think about that maybe a lot of people aren't prepared for and wouldn't know what to do and as soon as they don't have a grocery store to get their things are they going to be able to function I mean and and also be prepared to do defend yourself cuz if you're not then you're just collecting [ __ ] for the toughest guy in your neighborhood you

know yeah that's a joke that uh I think Bill Burr said was hilarious yeah he's like I feel like I'm just collecting [ __ ] from the toughest guy in my neighborhood he started preparing and getting ready but yeah so I mean train be ready be aware well I think there was that moment right when the pandemic hit right covid-19 where it was like all of a sudden we didn't quite know what the thing was we were like all like about to lock down and there's this extremely ominous feeling of like is this actually

the end of like the us as we know it yeah it ended up not really being that but I think keeping that little sense memory in mind is probably a healthy thing I mean that was a b real minor flu comparatively to anything serious well we did we didn't learn any lesson right so like the lessons would be we should produce our own PPE protective equipment in the US yes you were we were dependent on the country from which Co came for

protective equipment and they were tapped because they were using it totally so like at the very least like you know we traded self-sufficiency for basically cheaper TVs on on the coasts or whatever over and over and over again over and over again and so like some sort of lesson around you know internal self self-sufficiency sovereignty and you know rebuilding the American manufacturing base should have been the bare minimum takeaway and it feels like we've done none of that and in April or May of 2020 you have you know chairman

of the FED Drome Powell saying let's let's print a f ton of money and just infused you know our system and you have this thing called the the cantillon effect where that's all that just acrs directly to equities to the equity holding class the rich got way richer the amount of billionaires I don't want I don't know if it's doubled or you know some by an of magnitude expanded and then you know the rest of the country sort of left on you know Ubi for a temporary period and like you know a lot a lot of businesses got gutted and so

talk about not learning the lesson right right I mean it's it's almost like we got redirected and then and then simultaneous to all of that I think some spiritual energy entered and I think there's we we're sort of moved off our zombie path and I think we've we've awoken to real truths in the world like that I like the way you put that I man that's that's I kind of feel like that too like I feel definitely more awake in in more recent times from all this totally more aware just I didn't feel like I was this this aware of everything

before right I mean it feels different same and I think it's I do you experience it being for me it's been harder but better and rewarding and and so it was almost like in initially especially you feel like you know you're undergoing like hard changes to make yourself a better person yeah but then on the other end of that you be you're like oh my God like I it was like almost like you were a zombie before and you you're you're kind of awake to all these realities in in a really positive way

100% exactly how I feel absolutely well I hope the world wakes up man and I think by you telling your story I you know I know you're going to play it down but I I do think you are just adding to this Renaissance of consciousness and thought and ideas as far as people knowing that there's a lot more out there yeah man and our reality is just fine like we don't need to we don't need to upload to the cloud that's right you know that's right yeah well I think if uh the if our reality is as as strange

because I think what's interesting about all of this is like it all corroborates and it all checks and like you you speak to grush and it's like he'll bring up you know these names of the people who started the clearance system for for UFOs like Robert sarbacher and oppenheim then you do all this open source research and you start to build this Narrative of like the last 75 years of our history from like a US Government perspective Is Not What It Seems and then simultaneous to that you have this promise from the new Trump Administration to disclose all of these

kind of dark truths in the American past and so let's see let's see hopefully he does but let's see yeah right every a lot of presidents have promised this well the and the traditional thing is that you go up against the power structure you know JFK wanted to scatter the CIA to the winds look at what happened to him Nixon wanted to reduce the CIA by a third as Force reduction and there are some you know interesting narratives as to how he might have been kind of pushed out you know for for the five burglars at Watergate we're CIA

agents yeah kind of wild yeah so I don't know we'll see it play out it's going to get interesting though it certainly is man be prepared everyone well Randy this has been a pleasure man honored that you uh you know gave me the time here and uh I'm I'm excited for for people to see this and hopefully we learn something maybe from the aftermath of you know all the independent researchers out there looking into the hieroglyphic symbols yeah man the levitating orb there a lot of this it's almost like this that your story begets more questions than answers

but I think that's often the case yeah awesome man well sir appreciate appreciate meeting you with you and working with you here and thank you so much man right back at you all right was Randy shown this technology as a weapons expert to see if he could figure it out reverse engineer it on the spot as a litmus test to see how an exposed adversary might react in many ways this interview begets more questions than answers but three things are clear number one Randy's credentials in

background are Beyond reproach and we have an abundance of artifacts to prove that number two we should be infinitely grateful for his courage in speaking out about his experience and number three this story is unequivocally worthy of follow-ups and further investigation I want to thank Randy for his courage and selflessness in speaking out if anyone needs help with self-defense self-sufficiency or disaster preparation in the Vegas area please reach out to him at Bravo one defense on Instagram until next time I'm Jesse Michaels and

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