“Aliens Taught Me Advanced Physics!” (Ft. Dave Rossi)

they've had massive success. There are things that I've seen in private laboratories that are undeniable and verified by people other than myself in those facilities. A UAP was hovering near some plants, and as an individual approached the UAP, the UAP shot off as many people have experienced. However, when the plants that were close to the UAP were analyzed, they had aged 10 years Wow. within x amount of hours. We're dealing with multiple factions or elements of both government and private industry that have vast influence on

what could or could not be revealed, and no one really knows what to do. If you reveal some, then people are going to take it and run with it, and then that's going to open up a whole other avenue of research that can be weaponized pretty easily if someone has an nefarious mindset. We have neutral friends that are privately working on some of these things where 6 7 months worth of work in the lab, all of a sudden it's a weapon now. Mhm. And if someone gets a hold of that weapon, it's game over.

baffling and intriguing I've ever done on this show. Today, we will talk to a former construction worker. He was down and out and just scraping by. He then developed an interest in UFOs. Then, he had an interaction with a blue alien being that according to him caused him to do a deep dive into quantum physics. All of this sounded pretty crazy when I first heard about it. But since meeting this next guest, I've introduced him to a Navy scientist who's worked at the highest levels of government. Even he was extremely impressed and intrigued by

electrodynamics was considered quackery. Something you might hear at a zero-point energy conference somewhere in the Southwest from a crystal healer. But right after we recorded this podcast, the National Science Foundation and NASA co-sponsored a podcast with some elite scientists and engineers with serious credentials claiming to investigate, you guessed it, extended electrodynamics. I've also heard from multiple other Navy whistleblowers that this framework is very, very real and useful. When you

introduce the scalar field, you now have the possibility of at least three completely new kinds of waves. Okay, so a construction worker with no formal schooling downloads exotic physics from a blue alien being, and that physics is now being vindicated at the highest levels of government and aerospace. Sounds about right for 2025. But this former construction worker hasn't only agreed to come on my show, he's agreed to speak with any scientist at any level about his theories on my show as a

follow-up. I thought that was a pretty decent show of confidence. So without further ado, please enjoy this special sit-down with this week's American Alchemist, the scientific savant himself, David Rossi. I'm here with Rossi and I couldn't be more excited to have this conversation because we've had a lot of offline conversations over the last couple of years or year or so, and I'm always wildly impressed at your knowledge of physics experimentally and And you kind of came out of the blue and

had like this extremely interesting origin story when it came to how you acquired uh such esoteric knowledge of physics. And so, it's an honor to have you here, man. Well, thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. It's an honor to be here. Like you said, we've spoken for quite a while over the years and I'm very excited to be on the show. I really appreciate it. Oh, absolutely, man. No, that the honor is mine and you have a really great podcast everybody should check out as well. It's called Generation Z and so, we're going to go to the limits of my knowledge and ability to understand this stuff, but if

we ever exceed that, you can just go watch Z's channel and it's it's great. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, man, of course. So, uh I know you to be somebody extremely knowledgeable not only about UFOs from like an investigative lens, which, you know, a lot of journalists out there know a lot about like, you know, UFOs and the history of the government vis-a-vis UFOs. Right. You know about it from a scientific perspective. And I think a lot of what you get into is actually just man-made prosaic human exotic

technology Correct. of mimics UFOs. Maybe it's inspired by UFOs, I don't know. Right. But, um Yeah. Yeah. If I can give a little background as to how I got into this, basically. So, it was around the time that COVID had hit and I decided to start a a small podcast and I didn't think at the time, you know, about 4 years ago that I would be where I am currently. And so, what happened essentially was I decided to start looking into the UFO topic in general, UAPs and all that. But, then after a couple years of of doing the show, I started to say to myself, well,

I'm very interested in in learning about it and making videos on it. Um and I was gracious enough to have a small audience that supported me. Uh but I said to myself, well, what if I can actually try and build something? And so I I tried to first dive into the theory of things like, you know, Maxwell's equations and so on and so forth. And throughout that process, I recall a very spiritual experience I'm going to sleep one evening and it felt like I don't want to use the word abducted because I think that implies that there was some negative connotation to the the experience, which in this case for me,

graciously, there wasn't. Um but I remember uh essentially being um uh I guess you could say taken by a a blue energy type humanoid, if you will. Um there were no characteris- uh physical characteristics. It was just pure blue energy. And I really couldn't tell if you say humanoid when you say? Uh well, because it had two arms, two legs. It was just significantly taller than you or I, for example, height-wise. Uh-huh. And so And when you say no physical characteristics, it was like you could move right through it with your hand or essentially, yes.

videos where I had discussed um these type of concepts on my channel. Um without getting into specifics uh name-wise, I was noticed by a handful of uh very nice uh gentlemen that seemingly saw some uh potential to what I was saying from a physics and engineering perspective. Um gave some presentations to those individuals, and since then, uh continued to learn, learn um many, many cups of coffees later, many uh late nights spent just reading uh papers, you know, the the Soviet papers, the older North American papers, which is I I

think um in terms of zero-point energy tech, a lot of stuff is in the the older literature than the more so than the modern uh literature. And then from there, um I built a handful of different uh devices that um uh had some interesting effects that seemed to substantiate what a lot of the theory that people like uh Dr. Puthoff, um uh Dr. Davis, and others um have discussed. Uh however, I must say that uh there were people going all the way back to the early 1900s, going back to, you know, uh Nikola Tesla, um people, for

example, like Gabriel Kron, uh E.T. Whittaker, and so on, that seemed to substantiate certain experiments that I was doing um with a with a with a partner of mine uh using things like, for example, uh ring superconductors and um you know, looking into the notion of uh magnetism and so on. And then from there, um I continued to uh network and meet more people both in the uh defense industry as well as um in uh the private sector. And there seemed to be more and more validity to what I was looking into. Um and I don't claim I was the

first one to discover this by any stretch. What What were you before you had your experience? You had a You had a podcast where you're covering UFOs, is that right? And so, you're already somewhat interested in kind of out there subjects, but you nothing from a scientific perspective. Nothing. Well, since I was young, I always had an interest in, you know, the paranormal and things like that. Uh but right, nothing from the scientific aspect. Before the podcast, um I was in construction. It was it was pretty pretty straightforward. There was no uh I don't have any formal degrees. you to start a UFO podcast as a

construction worker? Um well, what happened was COVID had hit and this was during the time when people had, you know, 2 3 months off where they were staying home. And I said to myself, I looked around at the time at the UFO podcasting field from what I could find at least. And I could with all due respect to the shows out there, I couldn't find a show that seemed to be very unbiased and neutral and just looked at evidence rather than um implementing uh a certain biased perspective. And I thought maybe I could contribute to the field by just taking a applying an open

mind to it. Now, granted with that said, that has significantly changed because of fantastic shows like yourself and some others. Um but at the time, that's what I was doing. And so, uh there came a point where I just kind of got bored and I said, I want to try and, you know, make something and and uh see what see what I could do dealing with electromagnetism in particular, what that could potentially lead to. And how far into doing the podcast do you have this amazing blue being experience that prompts you to get into quantum physics? Probably about uh just over a year in, maybe a year and a half. So, going to

2021 now, give or take. Is there anything that happened before that experience or just seemed like out of out of the blue, no pun intended? But literally no pun intended, out of the blue entirely. Um Wow. nothing nothing preliminary that was before that. That's amazing. Okay, so you're prompted to look into both electrical engineering and Right. kind of some more experimental stuff, but also some of the theory behind some of these more exotic Right. uh you know, lineages in in science, if you will. Right. And um you say you get

noticed. Um can you say anything more about that? And no worries if you can't, um, certain individuals that um, that you've interviewed on your show noticed me and uh, asked me to to present a couple of times over and they were very interested in what I had to say and that told me, well, if you know, if I'm on to something, I clearly must be on to some uh, something uh, semi-feasible at least because if not, why would there be this this uh, show of Yeah. And then from there essentially, I began networking more and more, meeting with different groups of people in the

uh, a private military contractor field, meeting with people inside of you know, the defense department and uh, officially, there was no um, no way that they could uh, support me, but privately, they were encouraging me significantly to con- to continue pursuing what I was doing. And so, at this point in time now, what I essentially do is I I consult for private groups as well as for um, in some cases other other uh, we'll just say private groups for um, different aspects of physics and I don't claim to know uh, a lot by any means compared to certain

individuals out there with regards to zero point energy, but I think in a certain capacity, I could I could probably hold my own and so, that's led me to to where I am now and I'm very very fortunate and and very grateful. So, Well, I'll just say the reason we're even doing this is cuz I don't feel super equipped. I mean, we had an initial conversation. A lot of what you said resonated on some instinctive level with me. Right. And so, I was like, okay, this guy seems, you know, pretty legit. Like this this seems awesome. Like what he what what what he's into seems directionally exactly aligned with a lot of intuitions

I've had or even stuff I've discovered just from a historical perspective Right. comes to Towns and Brown or high energy physics or certain anomalies with consciousness or whatever. Right. You were kind of saying a lot of this stuff, but taking it a little deeper as far as the math and theory of But really what convinced me is I I I don't know if you remember this, but I was like, okay, I appreciate, you know, meeting you. You said this is amazing, but like you were a construction worker 4 years ago and you just got prompted by blue beam to get into this. I will say that this will be controversial.

However, I know that you're not afraid of any of that. I started looking into because of what this being had showed me during that one evening experience in a visual sense. I started looking into this notion of what people call longitudinal waves or longitudinal scalar waves. Now, I know there's a lot of misinformation and disinformation out there about it. I know that we have mutual friends that are currently conducting experiments looking into basically proving its feasibility and what it could lead to and so on. And just just for the audience. So, this is this idea of, you know, sometimes it's

called scalar physics, other times it's called extended electrodynamics. It's the idea that classical electrodynamics as we currently hold it, which only allows for the you know, your typical transverse Hertzian electromagnetic wave, which attenuates over space-time electrons pair off, that sort of thing. You actually have this other thing called the scalar field. Right. Which allows for all sorts of exotic wave types where in the transverse Hertzian wave you have you know, electric field, a magnetic

field and wave propagation and all three are perpendicular to one another. And in this case you could have you know, a magnetic field and you know, wave propagation they're parallel. And so it could do you know, all the you know, attenuation over normal distances in space-time, that sort of thing might get kind of negated by these exotic wave types. And so to your point, very well said by the way, these longitudinal waves were shown to me by this being basically as slinkies so to speak that that exists all around us.

But because of the way that quantum theory explains it there or would explain it if there was any official way to that would be allowed through the system to explain it. They exist all around us in what we call, I guess you could say the quantum vacuum or what was once called the luminiferous ether many years ago. I think over 100 years ago. They exist all around us, but they also don't simultaneously. So, you need to, in other words, curve space-time itself in order to tap, in order to tap these type of waves. So, you use the traditional Hertzian

transverse waves that we're used to and accustomed to, but you apply certain conditions in an engineering sense to them in which will allow space-time to curve. Now, How do you do that? This is where it's interesting, and I will get into that. So, essentially, if I may start with a very basic foundation here, everything that we that is taught, to my understanding, within particle physics, electrical engineering on a basic level, are have to do with what are called U(1) models that essentially assume a flat space-time. So, in other words, in the

condition of a flat space-time, you cannot get these effects. And if you begin to curve space-time itself, which I'll explain practically, you can start to see this certain type of phenomenology that you otherwise would not see. So, what do I mean by that? For example, um the Aharonov-Bohm effect shows essentially that there that potentials themselves, uh more formally called the four-vector potentials, are actually more fundamental than physical fields. And I don't think a lot I know there's a lot of people privately that grasp it

even better than I do, but I think publicly there are a lot of people that truly don't see that because it maybe seems too esoteric or too magical or what have you, but the idea here is that essentially the electromagnetic vector potential can allow for the essentially the curving of space-time in a topological sense. So, in the laboratory, you energetically start to get these caduceus-like waves that occur longitudinally that don't that are initially start off in a transverse sense. Now, in a very simple regard, one

way that space-time itself could be curved would be having to do with spinning, for example, a capacitor, if you will. Because what you're doing from a mechanical perspective is you're inducing curvature within that local vicinity of space-time. Now, I'm paraphrasing here and forgive me for those that are watching this later on where if you look up the actual quote, I may be a little bit wrong here, but Feynman said something peculiar, which is that when you are charging a capacitor, you start to see the sparks come in on the edges of the gap of the

actual capacitor instead of where you're charging it from, which implies that there's some type of kinetic momentum, if you will, within the quantum vacuum or the ether that is right in front of us that we don't have take a certain perspective to in order to be able to see it for what it could be or what it could lead to. So, for example, people look at the Aharonov-Bohm effect and they think, "Well, what does this mean?" Well, it's possible that by implementing a vector and scalar potentials electromagnetically, you can start to curved space-time phenomenologies

topologically that otherwise you could not do with a flat space-time metric. from a if I may say from a chemistry say you have an acid and a hydroxide and you neutralize the two in the But, what happens is you don't get any exothermic reaction. In other words, you don't get any heat. The standard U1 model that assumes a flat space-time says you will always get heat. There's nothing wrong with that standard model under the assumption that space-time is always flat. But, if space-time is

curved, it's possible that you may start to deal with negative entropy or negentropy, rather than entropy or forward moving entropy as we now know it to be. So, what that means is we start getting these waves and phenomena that would otherwise not be realizable because when you curve space-time, you start to induce a a caduceus-like effect. What's caduceus? A caduceus meaning essentially like two waves, like the the serpent, the medical symbol, the serpent moving around the

a staff. Yeah. So, the the the actual serpent itself would be representative of the waves or the same way if you think of our our DNA double helix, Yeah. so to speak. Um and so, what happens is is that when you're in the when you see these effects with this acid and hydroxide, it's possible that there may be a negative energy aspect that is occurring, which means that you may have electrical effects in that experiment where the electricity is cold instead of And this start This This also overlaps directly in the to the field with low

energy nuclear reactions, cold fusion. And so, it gets very interesting because you start to realize that there are these vortex-like geometries in the laboratory, whether it's with chemistry, whether it's with electrical engineering, or so on and or particle physics, that otherwise you would not get if you assumed a flat space-time. So, what happens is if somebody says a scientist may come in and say, "Oh, that's just sulfuric acid." I would beg to differ. They It would be sulfuric acid if you unkinked the space-time topology that the curvature of

space-time itself allowed you to induce. Now, if you unkinked it, if you think of basically just two, you know, chains locking into each other, if you unkink those those chains or those fields, if you will, now you're back to a flat space-time. But if you're dealing with curving space-time, you start to get these phenomena that otherwise you would not you would not expect and to my knowledge at least are not um are not taught within within uh certain you know, certain schools um and institutions. And so, ideally what we're far as producing these effects, are you

saying that space-time itself is actually curved, or are you saying that uh you can use high electromagnetism to curve space-time? Space-time um it wants to be curved. It So, in other words, you have to um mechanically or artificially induce curvature in it. And you do that through You can. I was talking to a you know a a a scientist named Bob Maguire, do you know him? I've heard of him. And and you know he was talking about um the stress energy tensor Right. in Einstein's equations and you

know how sort of conventionally in uh you know physics if you have enough electromagnetism you should be able to curve space time but we really just know that that occurs through mass because you have like you know planetary cosmology where there's sort of this inward gravitational force. Right. But it doesn't really feel like from an engineering perspective we have the ability to create you know the enormous amount of electromagnetism in order to curve space time. What do you think? I That's a great question. I appreciate it. So I would say that we actually can

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interviewed him actually and so Oh, that's amazing. That's awesome. That's awesome. He's He's a great guy. He's a really good guy. Awesome guy. I like him a lot. Yeah. Sensitive soul. Oh, he's very very sweet guy. Very sweet I think that to your question that we as humans have made advancements with regards to things like inertial mass reduction with regards to things like the emission of high frequency gravitational waves. And if I could say very quickly for the audience, inertial mass reduction means you're basically reducing the mass of an object so it

you know, University of Alabama Yep. And she claims to have a mass reduction effect over a spinning superconductor. And so you do you basically believe both of those accounts? I think there's there may be something there with Podkletnov. Um forgive me, I have to be careful with regards to what I say about Ning Li, but what I can say about that is that um there is evidence of which I'd be happy to provide to you afterwards where in the early 2000s she had sent an email to I I forgot who it was exactly, someone

in the alternative propulsion community where she claimed she had generated about 11 kilowatts of high-frequency gravitational waves. Well. Um the email messaging was then intercepted by an IP address from West Point. And then from there, you never heard from her again. Um Well, from there she wins this, you know, top secret military contract. She gets a clearance. Correct. Correct. And yeah, she she kind of falls off the face of the earth. She leaves the University of Alabama Huntsville. Yep. You could just say, oh, her work fell off, she was a quack or whatever, but then we found out since that Larry

Smalley who was the head of the physics department at University of Alabama Huntsville goes and joins her. And Larry Smalley, his name is on a patent in 2004 that basically involves uh an asymmetric bell-shaped capacitor and it's for NASA. Right. And it connects all the way back to Town and Brown's work. And that was like the original kind of Right. the anti-gravity guy who was using capacitors to Exactly. maybe manipulate space-time. Exactly. I believe uh if I'm not mistaken, Ning Li was actually more focused on superconductors in a

solid-state sense. I know initially in the '90s she was collecting data on ring superconductors, but I believe the issue with spinning it after a certain threshold was that the the disks the the rings would begin to break. So, I know she was looking into a more solid-state aspect. However, there is a paper that was released by Bob Baker under the MITRE Corporation for one of the high-frequency gravitational wave conferences where you cannot actually access the entire paper, just the abstract introduction where I'm paraphrasing, but Bob Baker

talks about he's now since deceased, but he talked about how Ning Li was able to generate up to 11 kW of gravitational waves and essentially there were two types of gravity that she had discovered, which was AC gravity and DC gravity. So, a static type of gravity and then an alternating current type of gravity under the notion that gravity comes from the topological displacement of of matter topologies, meaning essentially you can use electromagnetism in a certain format in which would then

at the next level above through the curving of space-time allow you to control gravity electromagnetically. Whoa, wait, explain that. And it's interesting you say the two types of gravity cuz that comes up a lot. Well, you can also correlate that to and this is for your viewers and yourself to decide for yourself to Mr. Lazar's gravity A wave and B wave. That's what I was going to bring up. AC gravity, DC gravity. It's possible take on Lazar is he was kind of a you know, it's Bob Lazar, but I mean if the audience is definitely going to know who he is, but like he claimed to have

worked at S-4, Area 51 reverse engineering UFOs. Right. And he also came out saying some interesting things about the flight principles that these, you know, crafts used. Right. talks about two forms of gravity, gravity A and gravity B. Right. And I kind of have come to the conclusion after researching Lazar for a that he was a limited hangout of a person. Right. I think this guy John Lear, who was CIA Right. pushed him out to George Knapp. And then whatever reason the powers that

be wanted Lazar out. Right. But they wanted him out because I don't think he had a super sophisticated theoretical physics understanding. I think he had like more of like a engineering topological physics. I I agree. And so you have these, you know, it's almost like gravity gravity A gravity B. That's not saying too much. But if you're smart enough, maybe you can get initiated or something. Figure that out. Right. And that's why I say again, I I myself am still 50/50 as to where I stand with the entire story of Mr. Lazar. Mhm. Um but I do think that there are interesting correlations

between what he claimed was the A and B wave and then Ning Li's AC and DC gravity waves. So what are these two forms of gravity? How do they work? So basically you have a DC gravity that allegedly, at least according to the the very general abstract of her report and forgive me because I can't really expand past this point. However, the idea is that there's a static type of gravitational wave that does not depend on the square root of the electric permittivity, but rather depends on the strength of the source of the magnetostatic field in which it's coming

from. And then there's AC gravity which is far stronger and is is not static in any capacity. It is it is something that you would utilize in a pulsed base scenario in which would actually, if you were to view its geometry, would emit the same way that our in the same geometry that our that a caduceus or double helix would. Interesting. And then what? Gravitons? Right. Now I say that because I think the term gravitons is still controversial in mainstream science. However, there are papers that have

since that were funded by the MITRE Corporation going back 20, 25 years that show that gravitons were both very high frequency and extremely low frequency gravitons were detectable near the Earth's atmosphere. Now, where why that hasn't been more publicly stated, I don't know. Interesting. I'd be happy to provide you the documents privately. I also know that the Soviets before the Soviet Union fell were looking into essentially the notion that Einstein's general relativity was a very rudimentary static

understanding of space-time itself. I know Einstein himself flip-flopped on the notion of the quantum vacuum or the He first I think he was for it then he was against it then for it then against it and I'm not sure you know there's rumors that he worked with Nikola Tesla before he passed as to whether that could be substantiated or not I don't know I wasn't around at the time. Well he definitely I think early on with special relativity you know he was like relativity is not compatible with the ether and that I think in 1921-ish time frame. He then says actually general relativity is compatible with the ether

are kind of analogous to our atomic programs and we're going to beat gravity and it's right around the bend and in it is quoted I believe two scientists at Princeton Stanley Deser and Richard And it says these guys are working with we figured out G particles gravity And I find that to be such an interesting part of the article that like nobody really talks about is like these guys are talking about gravity Right. Exactly. All these all these publications and and whether it's was in the literature or newspapers going back

to the 1950s all the way to the 70s I've always said as I've said to you privately once the late 1970s hit there are some papers still that came out in the 80s dealing with spinning gyroscopes with certain electrical and uh, other components applied to them where the spinning gyroscope would lose its, uh, would lose some of its mass. And then when the gyroscope was turned towards the, uh, Earth's axis or against the Earth's axis, depending which way you pointed it, it would gain some of the mass back. So, in other words, it was it was conducted in in magnetically shielded laboratories. It was shown, for

example, that, uh, certain effects would occur that would, uh, that were not artifacts experimentally. That could not be ruled out. Um, Wow. Yeah. So, yeah. How does doing all of this stuff How yeah, how did how did how does doing these experiments allow for mass reduction? The The idea is that, uh, you can exchange Now, this is where it becomes very esoteric, but the idea is that you can exchange the internal mass of an object, um, with the local environment or the local

the Schwinger limit. You get this The right now, the idea is with regard to the the the Schwinger limit is essentially, uh, very simply put, the notion that after a certain, um, threshold of a electromagnetically, uh, the vacuum becomes non-linear, yes, so to speak. I I think it was I forgot what it was, 10 to the power of eight. I don't want to say 10 to the power of Hal Puthoff talks about electrically polarizable vacuums as well. So, it's like I'm a big proponent of that. then you have the speech from Jim Ryder, who's a Lockheed Martin Space Systems

guy who we now know tried to transfer a quote-unquote UFO to Bigelow Aerospace in 2008 according to Lou Elizondo, a bunch of other people. And he he talks about an electrically polarizable vacuum as well. And maybe an interesting analogy for the audience if you're like me an an idiot when it comes to this stuff. Uh like if you had like a ba- like a a plastic bag with water in it and you were to like press down on one side, that would be sort of electrically polarizing the vacuum. And maybe you could surf spacetime as a

way a surfer surfs on water. Water waves, correct? If we Let's say there's a little surfer figurine on the bag or whatever, it surfs down the Exactly. Exactly. And now that would be using that would be using vacuum polarization as Dr. Pudoff, I believe, has a fantastic paper on spacetime metric engineering. Excuse me, that shows that. Um now I if I could clarify I as I understand it, that is a little bit different than actually having a device that would emit through pulsed-based uh uh systems um high-frequency gravitational waves. However, the

physics are are indeed interconnected uh very much so. And how and how do you get to a a thing that emits high-frequency gravitational waves? Well, there's there's speculation that very intense lasers could do it in um in what's considered like a Hall thruster array. Uh there's speculation that um uh you can use uh this is very controversial, but you can use superconductors to do it. Um there are speculation, for example, that you could use certain geometrical setup of superconductors that could induce these effects. Let's put it that way. Yeah,

Yeah. So, what useful stuff can you do with cuz we're speaking really abstractly right now. What can you do that changes the world with any of these You can essentially This is forgive me cuz this is where I'm going to have to be careful, but you can essentially do things, for example, from an energy perspective where maybe, and I say this speculatively, it's possible that you can output more energy in a in a device than you're inputting. Okay. Um which would imply coefficient of performance over one, um, which would violate the second law of thermodynamics

and there would need to be a readjustment to the law of conservation of energy because you're dealing with a larger open system. So, if you implement the vacuum in the vector and scalar potentials into your equations, you could it would actually be feasible. Um, second law of thermodynamics, uh, it would be completely violated because again, it's possible in these cases we would be dealing in some cases with electrical currents that are cold instead of hot. Which is very controversial to say. Um, that would be one aspect. Another aspect would be, for example, the ability, if I

voiding the the reality of space-time itself, as controversial as that is. So, free energy, building real UFOs, basically. Like exotic propulsion to the limit. And then exotic communications as well. That traverses space-time and And even even healing, medical aspects that are again, for example, sorry to cut you off, but, um, Luc Montagnier, his DNA water teleportation, uh, paper. Do you believe that? Cuz I I've always found that, so this is, by the way,

French Nobel Prize winner who discovered, uh, the genome for HIV. And so he was lauded for that. After that in his career, he started getting these really interesting trippy ideas, one of which was that there are these aqueous nano structures in DNA that communication, semantic communication transfer, and and, um Yep, storage basically of information. Right. And he was kind of laughed out of the room from a conventional science perspective, but you think there's something to it? I I strongly I would I'm not a gambler,

but I would bet money there's something there. I You know, I've always been sympathetic to it. Why Why do you think there's money there and then I can tell you why I'm interested in it. lab thing experiments I've witnessed. Interesting. It's Yeah. Can you say anything more or Um unfortunately, no one forgive me cuz I don't mean to be like I I don't need to be overly vague. I can I can speak for you. Have you Have you heard of Konstantin Meyl? I have. Okay, so he's in the Black Forest in Yep. And he deals with extended electrodynamics, but from a kind of biological systems perspective.

And he writes about DNA resonance with, you know, specific longitudinal wave scalar longitudinal waves. Actually, one of the scalar waves is called helicoidal. Right. And so, you might think, you know, uh if if form follows function or function form that um you know, if you have these wave types that basically look like DNA, maybe they're meant for DNA to be the receivers. And so, there's also another guy named Andre Puharich who was very interested in uh extended electrodynamics or extremely

low frequencies and how they would affect kind of brain waves and and even semantic information. Right. And I if I could say, I would dare to argue that all of what we're we've been discussing from the propulsion aspect to all the way to the communications to the biological to the energy aspect, all deal with these longitudinal waves in some capacity or another. There is a harmonic component. There's a sound component that has been completely um removed from the teachings of of electrical engineering that in some aspects do

exist in some uh institutions regarding particle physics, but um it essentially deals with a an asymmetry within space-time itself that you could induce through for example things like resonant circuits that could tank circuits as they're called and there's certain avenues going down that road. I do forgive me. I do have to be careful yes, there may be some resonance may be a significant aspect all of this. What an aspect of this technology that we can

speak about that you think will help the most amount of people and be the least nuts and bolts components of how it works because I'd love to get into like how some of these things work close to the metal but I realize there you know national security sensitivities and what I you you haven't told me anything but my what I picked up from you know you came across you know certain people entered your life or you came on their radar or whatever is that when maybe you got these interesting downloads around

science you were maybe you were maybe tapped by people who are kind of in and around government circles. Right. Be my guest. That that is correct. Yes. Something well what's interesting is that I think without bringing it up to too often. I think that Sal Pais's patents and his work have been by far the most revealing aspect of what propulsion could be applied to with regards to essentially again reducing the mass of an object and so on but I also think See this is the this and this is where I'll be very blunt. I

his talk of meta materials it's not that meta materials are are bad or are don't work or are a sci-op not at all. I think that they have a very fundamental place in in in the field of physics and materials engineering absolutely. However, I think that there has been and this is not towards anyone individual in particular but there has been a narrative pushed with respect to not discussing that you can use basic materials that we already have and have known about for decades combined with electromagnetism to induce some of these

effects, whether it's energy, communication, propulsion. I think it's because some of these solutions, again, taken with a certain perspective with a different perspective on old physics, in some cases could be so simple to engineer, in some cases if one had access to, you know, a decent amount of funding that it it it is threatening to people that are looking to suppress this. So, you think the alien narrative is sometimes tech protection is used I believe there is a legitimate aspect to it, but I think in some cases, yes.

So, yeah, I I hear that and then it's just extremely confusing. Every time I'm like, oh, maybe it's just anti-gravity [ __ ] I'm like Right. I'll give you a good example, okay? So, like Towns and Brown is this mid-century anti-gravity guy. I think he got like really far and you know, made a documentary about him. Right. And great. Oh, thank you, man. And he, you know, talks about a couple of materials. So, magnesium bismuth, barium titanate. Um they're what's called high-k dielectrics. So, we have a high-k factor, you can store a lot of

electromagnetic charge. His experiment, which involves a capacitor, so negatively charged plate, positively charged plate. to put this neutral insulator in between and that has a high-k when it has a high-k factor, you get more thrust. So, you pump electromagnetism into the whole thing and you get this thrust from negative to positive. Right. And so, you know, that is in a way that beats gravity. So, it's this exciting thing. So, he talks about magnesium bismuth, barium titanate. And then you go I interviewed Gary Nolan, too, Stanford professor. And he

you know, claims that he has UFO crash parts that he received from Jacques Vallee. And it's magnesium bismuth. And so, I'm like, well, maybe it's just anti-gravity or whatever. But then you go deeper into Towns and Brown, you realize that he started NICAP, which was the first civilian UFO tracking program in 1956. You could say that was just you know, doing civilian counter intel for, you know, like American anti-gravity crafts. But, you learn about these early stories from like, you know, around the time that like DARPA formed,

like the late '50s, early '60s, where he would go into the field and and find stuff, flashes credentials, do crash retrievals, basically. And like he found this green fireball thing and it was losing mass and apparently that was barium titanate. And then he himself had a UFO experience that inspired a lot of his work, kind of like your thing. Interesting. So, the whole thing gets weird where the the second you're like, "Ah, maybe it's just anti-gravity You trip out and you're like, "I don't know. I think It It becomes Yeah, it starts to get very very To your point, it starts to

get very very interesting because I think that it at this point in time I think when we if there's a sighting of a UAP, I think that most of the time it's hard to tell if that is human-made, whether pure human the source of pure human ingenuity, or whether there's a, you know, little bit of that mixed with reverse engineering aspects, or if it's something or some someone else entirely. What I will say though is I think we need to look into high-voltage experiments hm that normally that Tesla was was playing with that people these

days seem to not be interested in. I think that Why high voltage? Um I think high voltage induces an a polarizable effect within the local vacuum wherever that voltage is being applied. For example, there was something called the Ebner effect, I believe in the 1990s. You can I can send you the details to this afterwards dealing with essentially there was a small documentary put together. I forgot from which country in Europe, but essentially when extremely high voltage, it was like half a million volts or more, were applied to crops, they were growing in

ways that the farmers had not seen ever. Um And so I think this is where it starts to get again very esoteric, but the notion is that the ether or the quantum vacuum has within it memory that are stored within these potentials. And these potentials, when practically induced using high voltage, could in fact enable a form of vacuum polarization that can apply to biological systems, propulsive systems, uh communication systems, and so on and so forth in a way that we would not be able to detect or understand with our

and they're very similar. Like what Tesla was doing at Wardenclyffe, high voltages, short distances, where he's claiming to tap the ether for free energy, seems to be somewhat similar to what Townsend Brown was doing. I I agree and I think one of the things as we discussed earlier before we started recording is that I think one of the concerns for in groups or elements that don't want this to be discussed or come out is that or be disclosed in any capacity is that once you open this can of worms, it opens up a whole other set of discoveries that people would

otherwise not know that people would generally not notice unless they knew that there's a form of um a symmetry in the vacuum using potentials that could be induced to to create what is called higher symmetry electromagnetics using a vector and scalar potentials. And so I think that what starts happening is you start dealing with things like again negative energy, so cold electricity, so cold currents for example, so you get if you if you were to touch a wire with it with a cold currents rather than, you

know, as normally now you get burned if you touch a wire that's got electrical currents. Would that allow cuz I think about extremely cold, you know, circuits or materials right, and you hear this theory that maybe, you know, UFOs or man-made, you know, Right. crafts or whatever that exhibit these exotic flight principles might be sort of acting like quantum macroscopic I agree. As you know, I'm always on the hunt for things that help me stay sharp, focused, and full of energy while I'm diving into life's mysteries and making

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short for anything less than clean, delicious energy. And so so to maintain quantum coherence like typically you need to be like you know extremely cold or whatever. Well, I'm a big fan I'm a big proponent of the Niels Bohr model of the atom. Niels Bohr believed that superconductors were macroscopic atoms. You told me that once and that blew my mind. What does that mean? So the it's possible that superconductors could exhibit very coherence quantum coherence that

otherwise would normally be observed at the Planck scale or slightly above. Um I think there's an entire aspect to superconductors including things like the Meissner effect and flux pinning that a lot of people just don't understand that is right in their faces that that if they truly viewed it in a different way could induce the type of effects that we're discussing whether it's again you know the energy stuff the communication stuff the propulsion stuff and so on and so forth. And what I mean by that is when it comes to superconductors the traditional theory that's referenced is the Bardeen-Cooper-Schrieffer theory. Um

called BCS theory. I believe they all three of these gentlemen won a Nobel Prize for it. What that has left out as to whether this was conspiratorial or not I genuinely don't know. But what has been left out is has been dealing with lattice holes within superconductors. So again if you can polarize the lattice of a superconductor again we go back to polarization Dr. Pudoff's polarizable vacuum approach and so on. If we polarize the lattice of a superconductor or of a metal of some sort it's possible we can start to get effects that would in fact again when other engineering

conditions are applied to the superconductor manipulate light manipulate gravity and so on. There was a paper from 1992 with Douglas Torr and Ning Li that showed that the quantization for angular momentum in superconductors resides within the lattice holes of the superconductor and not the Cooper pairs. The Cooper pairs are attributed to the BCS Bardeen-Cooper-Schrieffer theory. Wow. there's an entire little thrown out pocket of this that I think should be looked at much more strongly. And so how do you maintain coherence through the lattice holes? Cuz you know, I think

about low temperature superconductors and Cooper pairs and there ways to explain that. How do you explain that kind of deterministically? Uh well, essentially geometry. A geo- Well, you polarize the lattice, but then the superconductor itself maybe it's conical, maybe it's cylindrical, maybe it's a ring so to speak. If you were to engineer something that would have that would match or fit or abide by the longitudinal waves, if you were to envision these slinkies all around us, it's possible you may start to see effects that you otherwise would not if

you were dealing with just a square superconductor, for example. Um it's possible that these these effects may geometry is everything in my opinion. When it comes to materials engineering, geometry is everything. And so I think that you can witness certain effects in the laboratory with, you know, four or five thousand dollars worth of experiment worth of material that if the superconductor was not a ring superconductor, if it was say a puck with no hole in it in the center or it was a square superconductor, um you would not see unless it were a ring

superconductor. Um it's possible again that these longitudinal waves are vortex-like in nature as well. So we need to materially engineer something that would abide by the geometry of what this structure of these longitudinal waves are so that these transverse Hertzian waves can then overlap with one another and then create basically tap the um the vacuum fluctuations of the scalar field that would other that otherwise you would not be able to do. Mm. If hopefully that's a adequate enough

structures are like geometric inductors to convert electromagnetic waves to couple to you know, the actual fabric of space Right, correct. So, the idea is that like for generating high-frequency gravitational waves, for example, you need to oscillate the mass of a quadrupole. A quadrupole is when you have two dipoles that a dipole is a is the space between two atoms with a positive and a negative charge. The idea is that a quadrupole, when you oscillate that, you you can actually emit gravitational waves from it.

Now, the if you could do it using superconductors, and I say that carefully, if, it would be in a very low-energy format, so you would not you would not like induce a you know, emit gravitons that would you know, break a door down or something, but if you could find a way to pair that with the strong nuclear force, then you may be able to and I also again believe that's what Dr. Paez is some of his work was trying to allude to. Wow. Okay, so you have these lattice structures Right. in these con- conductive materials.

Right. And that allows for electromagnetism to sort of interact with space-time and exotic Geometrically, right. So, we initially talked about spinning, you know, a capacitor, which would be a mechanical version, but a solid-state version would be using a superconductor in, for immersed in liquid helium, for example. Liquid helium is far more effective to induce these effects effects compared to liquid nitrogen. But, the idea would be that the electrons move along a path that they normally that is asymmetrical

because the lattice is asymmetrical. Because when you polarize the lattice, you induce you break the symmetry of that lattice. So, you get now these non-linear effects that if we go back to when we first started talking, uh when when a lattice is symmetrical, it is basically abiding by a flat static space-time. When a lattice is now asymmetrical, you're curving space-time. Mhm. The electrons start to move in a non-linear sense. you break the lattice, then you're having the electrons move in this non-linear way. you you break the symmetry of any

particle field No, I shouldn't say particle field. When you I have to watch my words here. Forgive me. When you break the symmetry of space-time itself and in some cases that would be polarizing the lattice of a superconductor, for example, you can get these non-linear effects that are the result of electromagnetic induction, but become become something else entirely Fascinating. So, what is it become that's different

topologically at that point? At that point, you can start to bend light. You can start to have this pairing of electricity and gravity. This goes back to the the the missing Heaviside equations. I know there's a lot of controversy with surrounding Did Heaviside butcher Maxwell's equations or not? It is I can What I can say is that it is well known to my knowledge behind the scenes that there's an entire Heaviside component that misses that basically misses a circuit from an engineering aspect. Now, what I mean by that is

back in the late early 1900s, Heinrich Lorentz, he did something that was called symmetrical regauging of Maxwell's quaternions, because Maxwell was told you're you're not going to be able to get your quaternions across to the engineers at the time, which had the education of electricians today. So, you have to chop it and get it simpler. You have to only deal with the right angle vector and nothing outside of that vector field, basically. And what's outside of that vector field? The scalar Now, essentially what happened was Lorentz threw the baby out with the

bathwater. Again, I don't know if this was a you know, conspiracy or not. I don't I I wasn't there at the time, but the entire Lorentz regauging aspect has How can I put it? Stagnated the the mainstream field of of particle physics. And for the audience, the Lorentz equation is the sum of the vector and scalar potentials and Lorentz sets this to zero, right? Correct. What he did was he played a clever trick. When he chopped up

Maxwell's quaternions and for the audience, if I may say, in a very simple manner, say you say to me, "Dave, let's order a pizza." The pizza comes and I say to you, "There's 12 slices, but I say to you, Jesse, there's only one slice." And you go, "Dave, what do you mean? There's another 11 slices." And I go, "No, no, no, ignore the 11, there's just one." That's basically what Lorentz Wow. That's I'm In a very simple regard, that's basically what Lorentz did. Now, by doing that, he played a clever trick. He said, and I quote, he didn't deny

that the energy outside the vector field existed. He didn't deny that the scalar potentials existed, but it what he said was, and I quote, "They have no physical significance." Mhm. That's Basically, it's like it's basically saying that you you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And I know that it was forgot who said this, but it's like saying we have a boat, right? On on the water. And we have all this wind around the boat, but the wind is not touching our boat. It's not pushing our sail. So, what So, on the Well, it's a problem because theory is supposed to be a descriptor of ontological reality. To

the extent that it can be and you believe science can be a descriptor of reality, it's an attempt at that. It should never be narrowly confined to present engineering capabilities because in the future, engineering capabilities will always, you know, be get that much more amazing. So, you do all these exotic things with materials in the 1970s and '80s that you couldn't, you know, in the 1890s. I couldn't agree more. want to like constrain that within an equation. Exactly. And I I do believe with the utmost respect to theorists, although I I know for a fact behind the

scenes the theory is well understood and top theorists understand this. Um with that said, I do believe that there are certain calculations within theoretical physics that may seem very minuscule or may seem uh like an artifact at first, but when if you could take those equations and apply a form of practical engineering to it, you would get phenomena that would then force the theorists to readjust their to the new phenomena that you see in the Theory itself is not going to take like

like Feynman said it best and he was a theorist. He said, "I don't care how beautiful your theory is, how eloquent it seems, if it can't be engineered, it's wrong." If it can't be experimentally verified, it's wrong. And so I think that as we Richard Feynman and John Wheeler calculated, there's enough energy inside the size of a coffee cup to evaporate all of the world's oceans if you could practically get it up in there. At first, they thought it was an artifact of the mathematics, but it turns out that it's not. And so basically when resymmetrized the the the Maxwell's

quaternions, he completely removed all the potentials dealing with the outside of the right angle vector, the vector field itself. And so I think that this has to do with for example Dr. Pudov's vector and scalar potential communication where there are no E and B fields, Mhm. but you have toroidal geometries that exist in which you can transmit information through topological infolding and outfolding as David Bohm used to call it. Basically, the idea that uh if you have a particle, inside that

particle that particle is made up of smaller versions of the same particle. So in other words, fractals that tend to fold in and out geometrically if you could electromagnetically create such an effect in that regard, and these potentials may be able to enable that. Um there's a Lockheed Martin patent called a coherent matter wave beam that deals with using the Aharonov-Bohm effect, basically using the potentials themselves, not the fields, but the to cohere um matter itself in a way that would basically

self-organize. The particles was Yeah, so there's a lot there that program matter or something? Like how do you do that? Uh well, that's the thing. The idea is that space-time itself is a I say this carefully, a living structure that has memory. And so, what happens is is if you can induce these vector and scalar potentials in an engineering sense, you start to witness geometries that would otherwise you would not be able to notice with the standard uh Hertzian waves in an in an engineering regard. Um I know that that's very controversial to theorists. Al- Although I I know

theorists behind the scenes that are that openly say, "No, this has been known for decades very in a very uh confidential regard." So, okay. Let's get really specific with the Puthoff Sure. He's talking about quantum communications via these uh scalar and vector potentials. Correct. Correct. So, how do you do that? So, I think about like classic example with a limit to a transverse Hertzian wave is you're trying to do undersea communications. You have a perpendicular, you know, magnetic field, the B field, and you

know, as a result of that, you're going to get a lot of electron pair off in a you know, very fast decay function on any sort of signal sent out underwater. Right. How do you get around that with something like, you know, Puthoff's? like we talked about voltage, focusing purely on voltage, um focusing on um acoustic resonance. But specifically, like what would you do? Like how would I think there are certain things that if you if you used voltage and pulsed the superconductor, for example, you would be able to uh transmit information in a non-linear

regard that otherwise if you that otherwise would not be possible uh using E and B fields. Okay. If yeah. Speaking high-level. Yeah. Yeah, um I think that um pulsing superconductors with pure voltage is is very interesting. Have you heard the term topological insulator? So, this is uh something I'm just learning about cuz I have a friend who kind of works in some sensitive areas in in national security. He goes pseudonymously by the name Jack. And

we've started to interview, you know, do the technical series together and speak to people who are honestly above my pay grade when it comes to the science. Like he helped me out on the Paice interview, for example. Oh, amazing. Okay. And um he talks about these topological insulators, these that barium titanate, magnesium bismuth are examples of. Yep. Is is is that the type of superconductor that if you pulse it, you might be able to engage in some sort of quantum comms with it? Uh that and also there are multiple ways to skin this cat. That's the thing. Everything we've been talking about, there are multiple ways to pursue this. However, I think

whether it's barium titanate, whether it's yttrium barium copper oxide, there's a couple of uh low-temperature superconductors with high-temperature combinations using voltage and acoustic resonance could in fact be able to transmit information that never decays, um that would I I don't mean for the record, I don't mean to speak for Dr. Pudoff, but I I find his work absolutely fascinating. His entire set of papers on his EarthTech website is every is uh acted as a a mentor-type guide to me. There are things there that are

revolutionary in a way that is like it it it it would break people's minds with regards to Wait, you're telling me that this type of approach can be taken and all of a sudden we get these effects that we're that are considered beyond the pale uh from a mainstream sense? How should we view this from a cuz like from a pure like science and civilian sector, you know, you're telling me that you have these quantum comms that like don't decay over space-time, you know, that seems like the way an advanced

alien race would communicate. That seems like it'd be this massive exciting unlock for society. How do we view this from a national security perspective because I tried to get in touch with a guy named Lee Hively who's, you know, working in extended electrodynamics and a friend that, uh, you know, helped with facilitate that. Yep. You know, he got in trouble. Highly freaked out and was like, you know, you shouldn't be shouldn't be reaching out to me and I think he put like the, you know, navy press or something on the thread. Yep. And I was just like, "Hey, man, I

just wanted to have a conversation and 99% of, you know, my stuff is is offline." And I always say publicly if I'm told that for serious national security purposes I should stop covering a specific thing, I will always do it. Right. Right. And anyway, so that but that I usually don't get the door shut in my face, but I did with Highly Well, I can give you an example. Well, I can give you an example of what this vector and scalar potentials could do other than communication that would that would overlap into national security. For example, you could use this similar method to surveil a room

without cameras. Interesting. Uh, you can use the potentials that exist all around us right now in the quantum vacuum to surveil an entire room. How would you do that? Um, that I can't get into, unfortunately, but the but it is possible. It's very possible If you can use use it for communication, why not in other areas? And I I know for a fact it's it's possible. There were I know a group that is working in the government that has been working on this since the '90s and they've they've had massive success. It's it's not like an ongoing issue prototype. It's been

established. They're just working on multiple new versions of it. Do you think humans themsel- like we're like hard drive avatars or something of something higher? Because I think about, you know, DNA uses binary code. So, AGCT, you basically just have, you know, base pairs. You have two two combos. So, I think it's ones and zeros. tell you something I think of DNA if if you want that I that is highly controversial, but Yeah, tell me. I think there's a third strand to our DNA. I think that the two helixes that we're used to, I think there's a third one

down the middle that exist that is physical, but exists at the Planck scale and I think it's electrically conductive. How would that not dawn on like all these biologists and You've interviewed someone who knows. Okay. I think I know who you're talking You've interviewed somebody who knows. Yeah. So initials GN or No comment. Okay. Interesting. Well, that's uh that would be pretty fascinating.

And what would that mean would mean that what we call junk DNA is not junk. First off. Um there was DNA is prosaically understood by geneticists and biologists. The idea that there's a third strand that would be controversial. Correct. And it's possible that third strand is again um it may overlap with Luc Montagnier's DNA water teleportation aspect. Um I don't claim to be an expert in that area. Uh with that said, I do believe that there is something there. Um I would go one step further and say that uh

there there's there is something there and um actually, you know what? I'll say it. There's a gentleman that was a um not not Dr. Gary Nolan uh but there's another gentleman that I can tell you the name of after and and show you the evidence of in which um I wrote up a manuscript dealing with the third strand of DNA. This is a two or three years ago and they were willing to help me put it in uh peer-reviewed format to help it be reviewed in the more international literature. Unfortunately, that individual was restrained uh from being

able to help me and so biologics and and the field of medicine and DNA was not my area of focus and so I kind of let that go. Uh with that said, there was a gentleman Peter Garyaev who was nominated for the Nobel Prize in 2019 or 2020. The nomination was retracted and he later died, I believe, under mysterious circumstances. He was using vector and scalar potentials through polarization methods to uh heal people using sound and light. Wow. He was He has It's is I believe his wife still

earlier today um cuz he's like, "Man, I've just been getting into the work of this guy Konstantin Meyl and it explains a lot of my work around like, you know, scalar and vector potentials and its effect on the human body." Right. I I've been interested in this for a while and it it it's it's interesting. A lot of things seem to be converged. So So this guy treating people with pyramids? Uh pyramids. He was having them go inside these pyramids that were the the frame was wooden. However, he was using

vector and scalar potentials using electronic circuits, lasers, semiconductors and so on to create a field in which when the person was in that pyramid when they would their again controversial but their um their ailments would be healed. Whether it was depression or whether it was more of a physical ailment. I don't Well, how long did that this goes again back to the polarization of of a lattice of a material. This goes back to the the notion of voltage with The idea is that everything has memory.

So for example, my hand, although it's aging right now, the skin and everything, it's possible that you can actually actually let me give you a a a very basic example. So think of a stack of 10 books. Now imagine we exist on book 10. We consider that as the present physical moment, if you will. And so, it's possible that the previous Let's say the previous books represent points in time that were previous in which your hand was at a younger stage. It's possible that you can use a polarizable vacuum approach to bring,

say, book three up to book 10 presently and replace book 10 with book three. Meaning, basically, now your the skin is younger from a time a temporal perspective. And the entire composition of the body is is of that body body body part you've treated is now literally younger because of the negative negentropic time reversal aspect that you've you've now implemented using vacuum polarization, using voltage and and photons and light and

and so on. Interesting. So, biology does decay, I guess, via entropy. It it it it becomes more sort of, yeah, chaotically you know, almost uh disassociates or something. We we we we we disincarnate over over a period of time, and that's why we age or a study Sorry to interrupt you. There was a study, I believe, in the '70s, basically showed that there was an observation in which a UAP was hovering near some plants. And as an individual approached the UAP, the UAP

shot off, as many people have experienced. However, when the plants that were close to the UAP were analyzed, they had aged 10 years within X amount of hours. What's it It's called senescence. Senes- Yeah, cell senescence. But, I mean, Yeah, I mean, that would be the conventional term. You go to Chernobyl, there's a study that came out, or not even a study, an article that came out like this month, I think, about these dogs at Chernobyl that have rapidly evolved more than any other dog. Think about it, right? Like, it's it's easy.

Like, UV radiation promotes, you know, a mutations or whatever, which is differential selection and and that creates evolution, right? And so, if you were to grow a frog in a Faraday chamber, it would grow, you know, kind of messed up. And then if you were to grow it in a high radiation environment, it would grow, you know, grow too fast or whatever. And so, there's some sort of ala the Schumann resonance of the Earth, this this magnetosphere of the Earth that allows life to form.

Right. And so, I could see why a lot of this work would be pretty controversial because you're kind of messing with the soup that we're all swimming in. Schumann resonance, right? It's been argued that that is the the heartbeat of the planet, so to Right. And that the reason on the surface that the frequencies are so low is because you have to get closer into the center of the Earth for the frequency to get higher. What if it's possible that the vector and scalar communication potentials we were talking about, again, there are no electric or magnetic fields, purely toroidal

geometries. And when I said acoustic resonance, what if that's the Schumann resonance that I'm that we're speaking of? What if the Schumann resonance can never disappear, so to speak, from a from a field or from an an area? But E and B fields can, but that resonance never does because it is part of a more core makeup of this reality. Wow. That's that it's I think you're I would argue very strongly you're talking about the same thing there. We're talking about acoustic resonance or Schumann resonance with regards to if you have a room like

the room we're in now and we removed all E and B fields and there but there were still these resonant toroidal You can overlap RF radio frequencies with acoustic frequencies and so, these toroidal geometries may in fact stem from the Schumann resonance of the planet. Interesting. So, you would say that the acoustic frequencies are sort of downstream of these RF frequencies that come from the Schumann resonance or whatever? I'm saying that when you remove electric and magnetic fields and you deal purely

with potentials, you you have still a resonance there. Interesting. This goes back to what the Germans called the Zitterbewegung, meaning basically that from in quantum theory, a particle is never still. So, when we think of zero point energy, the reason we call it zero zero point energy, as I understand, is because when you get to absolute zero, the particle is still oscillating. Classically, we think that like when you push a kid on a swing, and then the the kid jumps off the swing and the swing comes to rest, classically we're told we think that the swing is truly still. But, at the Planck level, the particles

that make up that swing are constantly oscillating still. So, all reality as we see it is derived from some sub quantum field of potentials? Arguably, arguably that it's derived, yes, that the potentials are more fundamental than the fields themselves. And what determines how these potentials sort of collapse? I don't want to say because it starts to overlap into stuff that's pretty uh sensitive. Okay. forgive me, but um

it's it's Does the mind have anything to do with I I believe I believe so. I believe that I believe that at the core of it we're dealing with non-physical sources here. What What people have called spiritual. uh sorry, I thought you were going down another avenue, that's why I said I couldn't speak on it, but if you're going down the spiritual uh or the the consciousness avenue, I'm very I'm open to talk about that. I think that at the core of it we start getting to non-physical uh uh energies that otherwise give rise to uh

physical matter and material. Have you built anything with your new found knowledge that you can talk about? Uh the stuff I have built I I I can't speak on. Okay. That's the I forgive me. I wish I could, but um Okay. Um Do you feel like after having gotten into some of these esoteric science, you know, concepts? That it's made you a more spiritual Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. This is the part where most people I know that you're very open to this and as I've

said before we recorded, I have great respect for you because you're so open to it um amongst other things. But yes, I believe the spiritual aspect is the key fundamental core of all of this. As much as people will people are so interested in physical things, I believe that the spiritual or {slash} metaphysical angle is the core of all this without a shadow of a doubt. I me personally, I think that the soul, if you will, is possibly a Bose-Einstein condensate um uh matrix or a plasma matrix of sorts.

What is a Bose-Einstein condensate? a lay it's a level of or a field of a tier of matter, if you will, above plasma. So, you have solids, liquids, gases, plasma, then you have Bose-Einstein condensate. So, I and then there are more than that. To what extent those have been divulged publicly, I I don't know. You have levels of energy above I didn't even know you have levels of energy above plasma. That's that's the that's where that's what Dr. In my opinion, not to speak for him, but that's what Dr. Pye spoke about when he was on Curt Jaimungal's Theory of Everything when he said that it's possible that you can induce these types

of effects like inertial mass reduction and so on. Not with solids, but with plasmas because it's possible that plasmas act as a doorway between uh the quantum vacuum and the physical world. So, to speak. It's It's so if you think How does that work? Uh in a very basic manner the example, the way I gave the example of like the pizza slices for the Maxwell the Lorentz gauge regauging and all that. If you think of the quantum vacuum all around us as moving very very rapidly, maybe faster than the speed of light or maybe at the speed of light. Um

it think of a bunch of doorways moving quickly side to side and they're moving so fast you can't grab one of the handles to open the those doors. Plasma acts as a medium that slows down those doors so you can grab a handle and open it. Explain that. Plasma It's possible plasma slows down quantum vacuum fluctuations. And how does it slow down quantum vacuum It's a It's a It's an in-between state between uh a physical medium and a non-physical medium. Ah. You see what I'm saying? So it acts

So it's like a carrier for the the potentials and somewhere Correct. The same way that I would say uh that the work of Sal Pailer's inventions, uh not to speak for him, but I know that he agreed with me when I brought it up to him, the devices themselves, including the, you know, rumored free energy devices and so on, they're not generating the free energy. They're acting more as facilitators between the quantum vacuum and the material world. Mm. They're not actually generating. In some cases they might be, but in in terms of even various forms of of energy generators

that are based in zero-point uh fields or zero-point uh When we when we when we talk about virtual particles, is free energy essentially uh the extraction of virtual particles into real particles? That in some cases, yeah. Uh you can argue if if one could get a coefficient of performance over one, that would be the case in some There's more than one way to skin this cat and that's absolutely one avenue. Yeah. And then one way is through like plasma is like this conduit between the potentials

world and like the world we see or something? Yep. Basically, yeah. Have you heard of uh Ken Shoulders? Absolutely. Exotic vacuum objects. So how does that relate to this? I think what Ken Shoulders was doing was he was experimenting with curved space-time uh uh materials that induce the effects that happen when space-time is not flat but curved. So in other words, I believe Ken Shoulders had an experiment, and please correct me if I'm wrong, where basically he found that electrical pulses into a ceramic would break not

break ceramic, but create these punctures in the ceramic that electricity normally wouldn't do. It's possible he was interacting with a slight gravitational field in those with that with what he was doing. Now, another example is semiconductors. This is not well known, but in the field of at least publicly to my knowledge when you when you're dealing with and forgive me if I butcher this to those that are watching in the semiconductor field in the particularly on the manufacturing side, but when you're dealing with the doping

of the core lattice of a semiconductor Yeah. if you were to take that core lattice and give it to audio experts to then analyze, you would hear this non-stop hum. And that goes back to what we talked about with the Zitterbewegung that the Germans called the the swing stopping, but they're still being every piece of matter is still oscillating. It's possible that a hum is an interaction with the subtle gravitational field. Wow. It's possible. I'm not saying it is, I'm saying it's

possible cuz I don't want to it's interesting cuz that often is described around UFOs as you hear this humming noise. Hmm, that's really interesting. Yeah. Have you Have you heard of Burkhard Heim? Do I have. I have. he this was this German scientist who was working on some interesting kind of anti-gravitic Right. you know, stuff and then he was brought over to the US and I think he worked with Lockheed Martin or Martin Corporation pre-Lockheed merger. A Martin Marietta. A Martin Marietta and I think they had a Martin Corporation at

least had a program called RIAS, which was their anti-gravity research outfit. Got you. And I believe Burkhard Heim did contract work for them. Um, a lot of his work is in German, but I believe he has two errors on the theoretical physics side, two guys named Rusher and Hauser. Okay. They also believe in two forms of Canonical like small scale gravity and large scale gravity and they say one of these forms of gravity bind with electromagnetism more tightly. Specifically, I think some of these more

exotic electromagnetic experiments involve this I would agree. I would agree I think that what they're saying there, unless I'm interpreting incorrectly, is identical to what I was saying earlier in our conversation about how gravitational effects could come from the electromagnetic conditions inducing topological states that would lead to the coupling to the gravitational field. That could then through the strong nuclear force actually literally create the you know have a you

know warp space time itself. You know time displacement what have you Chris situation where the inside of the craft is larger than the outside you know space time metric engineering as Dr. Pudoff talks about. I think there's something there with a superconductors and and semiconductors and high voltage that we already know secretly can be done with that. Where do you think we are as far as ability to make progress on this? Because my general sense is like if you had a governor placed on physics over

the last 50 years, you know like the a governor on an engine where it says you can only go to 25 miles per hour and the governor in this case is like the speed of light as a speed limit. It's uh Einstein's positivity conditions on his field equations. It's It's uh you know only no no scalar field. You know you take say the governor is a bunch of different things. Right. Right. Right. All those seem and that the governor is your consciousness has nothing to do with your ma- matter interactions, you know whatever. The governor's coming off on all of

those things at once is what it feels Right. And so what does that mean? Because I you have all these different you know dynamics at play. You have the national security state probably wanting to push this to the extent that it's not tipping the hat to the adversary. Right. You have all this civil side need for this just as far as our cities are in decay. Like airplanes have not improved over the last 50 years at all. You have this kind of duopoly There's an energy crisis right now, I believe in North America as well. There's an

I mean, well, we have we have fracking and stuff, but like Right. Yeah, I mean, like there should be some update there as far and and maybe even an update beyond Right. nuclear fission plants. Right. And so, you know, and there there are startups working on nuclear fusion, but they're often working on it from the super Sisyphian perspective of these tokamak reactors where Right. the energy necessary to is necessary to create these high-powered lasers is just sort of self-defeating if you're trying to create free energy in the first place. It's like, why Why would you do that? This is like I I think

there have been to your point I I think there have been discoveries that make the white world of of physics um I don't want to say laughable cuz I have tremendous respect for the people that generally are not in the know and that just genuinely are trying to do good research, but the implications I think to your your main the core of your question I think we're at a time right now where and I'm not speaking for anyone other than myself, but for my little corner of the world, I think that we're dealing with multiple factions or elements of both government and private

industry that are that have vast influence on what could or could not be revealed and I think right now there's an issue of no one really knows what to do. Yeah. And I think because if you if you reveal some, then what you know, of a of a you know, a technological advancement, then people are going to take it and run with it and then that's going to open up a whole other avenue of research that admittedly can be weaponized pretty easily if someone has a nefarious Yeah. So, I do actually understand to a significant extent the necessity for not

divulging this Uh, in some cases. Now, in other cases, I also think, however, that we should not let the the the cart blanche answer of national security impede our, um, spiritual and technological development. Yeah. So, I'm not saying I know what the answer is. I'm saying that it should be talked about more and all the people you've had on have been fantastic to help move this this forward. I think you've played a crucial role in this, but as to how the blind can be drawn, I'm not going to sit here and pretend like it's easy. It's It's effing tough.

It's not easy. Yeah. It's It's It's not easy because you open up one aspect of of zero point energy engineering. Next thing you know, all of a sudden, you know, this guy's got, uh, this guy's got cold fusion going and then that leads into maybe a coefficient of performance over one. Um, uh, then that leads to all of a sudden, you know, with some adjustments, all of a sudden you're you're now basically doing what Ken Shoulders did. You You pulse this, um, you know, this this electromagnetic energy into a piece of a ceramic or something and all of a sudden

it breaks the ceramic when you would expect it normally not to. Uh, all of this type of stuff. And I think then you then have to ask, okay, what And again, this becomes an issue because it sounds like I'm trying to say that there should be gatekeepers, but I don't think there should be. But at the same time, you turn some of these We have mutual friends that are privately working on some of these things where with with, you know, half a year's worth of work, six, seven months worth of work in the lab, all of a sudden it's a weapon now. Mhm. someone gets a hold of that weapon,

it's game over for for a lot of people. The world's getting weird, man. It's It's interesting. Like it's like if you think about, um, social control systems and hierarchies. Maybe you had like religious hierarchies in the past. And then you have like compromise based like Epstein, Diddy weird [ __ ] like that. Yep. And then you get like lower latency into like phones and laptops and digital stuff. you get into even weirder territory of

mind matter like Yep. the latency of like these control systems and like maybe we're starting to see, you know, more anomalous stuff in the sky like the veil is dropping. It's weird. agree. I think that the veil is dropping and I think that people in general are starting to wake up more and without getting too esoteric, I think that there is a profound reason for that. That is the the sum of our collective consciousness speaking to something larger than what we could possibly

fathom currently. Yeah, it's a it's a really fascinating topic. Have you ever seen a UFO? Oh, yeah. I've my old house there were there were a few that would be above it above the house. a few that were above the house? Three three in total over the course of 5 years. Yeah. I mean, I've seen I've seen a I've seen a bunch of them. Yes. If you just first instinct, what do you think they were why were they around your house? I I wish I could say I don't know. I I I really don't know. It was very interesting. My father said to me, "Hey, come take a look one time one of the three times." And it was your typical it

was like a donut shaped craft. How for you like what's your what's your dream with this stuff? What do you what do you want to do? That's that's that's a good question. I didn't actually I didn't expect you to ask me that because it's a it's a good question. I think um I think I want to help people as much as I can with regards to understanding this stuff, which is why I privately consult for private groups in in certain areas. And then there's other projects that I work on that I I have to be honest. I

wrestle in a moral sense with with even discussing divulging or not because I've spoken with some very respectable high-level people in in the in the Department of Defense and some of those in which you know. and the advice has always been people it's it's people will not see what you see. So it's it's in many cases I think you would you as Jesse would but I but the because I you're you Jesse if I could say quickly you're not the type of guy

where if I showed you something you'd be like oh how can you weaponize this? But others would be. And that's where I'm kind of like well I'll I'll I'll I'll make my living with the consulting right now and and working on private projects and so on for people because as much as I want to you know open source it if you will there's an argument to be made that there have been people in the past that have open sourced it and then people just don't believe it. Yeah I know I I think that's fair man. I mean like I there's a real argument to be made

that like the next Klaus Fuchs you know the guy that like stole the American atomic secrets worked at Los Alamos from 1941 to 1950 went to the Soviets with all that stuff. Is like somebody who just kind of runs their mouth on social media and like it brings up I don't know I mean like they're like it's like we're both you know friendly with Ashton Forbes the MH370 stuff and I'm not at all equating him to to Klaus Fuchs but I

have these conversations with him about the MH370 videos. You know these are this these orbs teleporting the you the Malaysian airplane that in 2014 was this big news story CNN was talking about for three months this plane went missing nobody knew where the plane some weird circumstances around the plane and then you have this video come out that you know maybe it looks like they these orbs just like teleported the plane and it's really bizarre and now he's getting into all sorts of free energy and you know exotic physics stuff and I have

these conversations with him and he's so I think it's this can create a death weapon that will end the world but it needs to come out and like, dude, I don't think either of us are smart enough to know and be high conviction that that's definitely the case. Like, you hear things, you have intuitions around that. Maybe it is the case. Right. Um but if you think that's the case and that is your intuition, and you think this could be extremely dangerous and dual use, it's really irresponsible to like just put a lot of this stuff out willy-nilly. And it's the reason why

with the Towns and Brown stuff that I put out, I'm like, that's like, you know, it's this 70-year snapshot from a long time ago, but I'm like, I'd love to know if somebody was like, you know, hey, if this this is a there's one line from a biography of Towns and Brown, you know, this Paul Schatzkin book, The Man Who Mastered Gravity, where it's you know, uh this will make a thermonuclear bomb look like a child's firecracker. Yes. And Yes. I you hear that and I'm like, I don't know if you take that at face value, but if

if I heard that that was the case, I would never touch this stuff again. And you've hit the nail on the head with regards to what I was trying to convey to you just now. Uh-huh. That's exactly the problem. So, but do you are you high conviction that these things could be weaponized in like an extreme world catastrophic way or I am of high con- I would put money on it. Really? I would put money on it. That's So, then what do you I don't say that proudly. So, what do we do? Because on the one hand, you have interstellar travel and like uh that'd be great if we could get that, right? And you have like all these

cool updates you could get Well, I think I think I don't want to say I Here's the thing, I don't want to I wish I could I could sit here and say, "Jesse, I have a an alternative plan." I I don't. With that said, I think that what we're seeing now with the discussion right now of metamaterials, and again, I'm not trying to say that they're not I'm not trying to say they're worthless. There There's a lot of value, especially, you know, layered semiconductors and blah blah blah. But and and, you know, mixed with different alloys and all that. But the the point I'm trying to make is that I think I think that's why the meta-material

angle was taken with regards to always saying we don't know how the physics of it works and there's meta We do know how it works. I'll blatantly say it. We know exactly how it works. We blatantly But if you if you just talk about the materials, then it's like uh you're ignoring the the physics. The physics more dangerous theoretical If someone can take the theoretical physics and apply it to experiments Yeah, dangerous. If you can bridge those two worlds, not a lot of Some people can, but some people can look at the theory and go, "Oh my god, I can make

this and make that and make that." Other people only know how to engineer stuff and other people only know how to do theory, which is still fantastic. But if you can have someone that can do both you have a problem. Or you have a it's a it's a half class full, half class empty type scenario. That's interesting cuz I was on the with a new friend who is making a documentary about Bob Lazar. Okay. And I I'm just speaking off the cuff and I'm like, you know, it would be an amazing interview. I was like, I really want to interview man. I'll do anything to get in a room with this guy.

Right. Right. Right. I'm like why don't I bring in this like a well-respected theoretical physicist and he can translate some of the stuff that Bob Lazar was saying as far as gravity A, gravity B, that sort of stuff. Right. And the call kept cutting when I was saying that. And I'm like, oh, interesting. Like maybe And then I think about it for a second and I'm like, if the theory I have about Bob Lazar is right, which is he was this limited hangout of a person sort of meant to reveal certain info, but meant to hold back the rest.

Then you wouldn't want to translate, you know, his stuff into like broader theoretical physics language. You would want to keep it lowbrow and somewhat stigmatized, but still be this initiation path. What I To your point, what I will say is that there's information on the internet that has been out there for since the internet almost since the And to the powers that be, I won't do that version of the interview. I'll just I'll just talk to Lazar. Right, right. Um there's information out there that has been being uploaded to to the web since almost the the the the birth of the internet, which up until

this day, which as as the information is scattered out there right now on the web is harmless. But if it gets compiled in a particular order, it becomes highly That's that's a legitimate thing. And so the hard part is sifting the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. But if you can, even to a to a even, you know, to a a minimal it become that's when one's own This is where I think the push for the spiritual angle of things is necessary. Like when

worse. And maybe, you know, we talk about the messing with time, temporal I'm familiar with a with a newspaper clipping from Toronto, Canada from the 19 late '50s, early '60s that talked about how there was a gentleman that invented a death ray, but for the people that came to go visit him, there were some Mossad representatives that went to go see him. They reported missing time, meaning their watch showed Whoa. Right. And I'll I'll show you the article tomorrow. They reported that when they were in his living room or his his basement, I forgot which part of his

house he was experimenting in, 25 minutes had gone by for them, but they when they came outside, the other the external clocks had showed that 2 hours went by. And the Mossad showed great interest, and I believe he sold it to um to the uh uh this is literally in the article the the the the Zionist regime of of of Israel in particular he Uh Wait, what? Yeah, yeah. Also I'll show you the article tomorrow. Wait, he sold some like the it was a I don't want to say what me it's like a timeline manipulator? initially it was like a death ray of

some sorts that he was working on. It's a it's a two-page article very old. Someone like photocopied it and scanned it and put it on the web. But it was essentially a death ray of sorts and some of the side effects of when he turned it on was temporal displacement in within the vicinity of That's interesting. I mean I don't know if that's seems so wild to me but there's there's this um uh you know, Tesla biographer I was speaking to recently. Right.

was talking about how Tesla um you know, would do some of these high voltage experiments and he would say weird things like I see the future or the present or the past Right. Once. Right. And Townsend Brown was extremely interested in time alteration, time Do you think And then the final thing is to you know, there's a guy named Timothy Taylor who's a NASA mission controller who's written about in Diana Pasulka's book called American Cosmic. He is a successful NASA mission controller that works on like you know, SpaceX missions and stuff at Cape Canaveral. Right. And

told I guess Chris Bledsoe who's had experienced all these sort of UFO sightings at his house. For whatever reason Tim Taylor shows up at his house and they become friends. Right. tells Chris I was part of this secret time travel group based in NASA in the Bahamas. And Thomas Townsend Brown was the president of this group. And I would think that would be total quackery if I wasn't so deep on Townsend Brown. Right. Right. And I didn't know he was so deep into time travel stuff and he spent a lot of time in NASA in the

And so I I find that interesting. I I agree. I I think um if I could say quickly from a scientific perspective, it's been argued that what's called charge parity inversion in the vacuum or in the quantum vacuum is equivalent to reflection. And what that means essentially is we're dealing with vacuum polarization. And if we're dealing with vacuum polarization, if we polarize time but not space, we can have this scenario in which time displacement does occur. Wait, how do you polarize cuz I think of time and space as indelibly bound. So

how do you polarize scalar waves that we've been speaking of are help tap time rather than space. you do that? Oh, well, you you're asking how to engineer that? One example Well, one example would be for example would be Sal Pace's work or House space how put off space time metric engineering. But you're controlling for space? You are manipulating time to then which which as a residual effect has effects on space. Okay. And so so time is the kind of

Archimedean upstream thing that is updating space. Right. So if you think of these longitudinal waves, right, as slinkies all around us, right? And each slinky has a loop. That loop represents a state of entropy and negentropy. So what I mean by that is I have my water bottle here, right? For example, I take this Say I take this water and I put it on the table. Between this point in space, between here, when I when I brought the water to the table and then here, one loop of that longitudinal wave has been

completed. And now we're moving on to the next loop like a movie reel. They're the loops are constantly moving, which is what we which is a a temporal And so essentially you can have a device where you can observe by polarizing If you came back, say, whenever, you know, 6 months from now, and you had a device that could look wherever you pointed that device, that particular part of space you could see in the past and you had a device that could see that, you could have a device that could show using the vector and scalar potentials

of space and time itself my a visual of my hand doing this over and over. What? Because that's what I I So I I did a I did a I was on a panel one time with Sal Pais and a handful of others last two summers ago and basically I used this exact example and Sal Pais started basically clapping as if to say yes, that's what you have to Yeah, it's If there were to be a conflict on some more primordial

level than our earthly conflicts, it would be on the level of time. Correct and that leads to things like the you know the rumors of the Philadelphia experiment. Yeah, well that was Thomas Townsend Brown was involved in the Philadelphia experiment. And that's temporal displacement. The rumors that the people were some people were stuck between a wall or like physical physical matter and space. That arguably is worse than a nuclear bomb. I just am not sure what happened in the Philadelphia experiment. Like a part of me thinks it was this quacky disinfo campaign. Maybe there I think there was actually something underlying it. Even if it was even if it

was fake, the rumors that that that discuss that that speak of it are similar to the way temporal displacement would work as I understand it. Have you heard of Bob Beckwith by any Oh, Robert Beckwith? Yes, yes I have. Yes. Does he say cuz he claims that I think he was maybe somewhat involved in the Philadelphia experiment and then he later did some really interesting work with like extremely high magnetic fields and and then and teleportation. you Yeah. So I think there's something

there. Again, I think magnetism is is gravity's cousin and I think that again, you manipulate space-time, you're messing with gravity but you're also messing with again time itself and so if I could say very quickly, when I gave the example of my putting the water like picking the water up and putting it on the table, imagine there's a parcel of of of memory that it will forever exist now even when I stop doing this. That is that is acting like a movie reel that is just sitting there in the vacuum waiting to be reloaded up again, if you will.

Wow. Or re-rendered. Like a saved game Correct. There you go. Exactly like a saved game state. So we think of the we see some you know David Bohm talked about you know this holographic morphogenetic reality we live in. There've been some papers recently that have discussed that as well. And it's again, I think there's something there. I really do. Very interesting. Yeah, this idea of rendering holographic theory and so on. I think there it's it's speaks to what James Ryder was saying with regards to

what what is light. I think there's something with that as well. I believe the the Bhagavad Gita if I'm not mistaken right the that Oppenheimer quoted. I I could be wrong about this, but I recall reading that the original translation was not I am death the destroyer of worlds. It was I am time the destroyer of worlds. Really? As I understand it, yes. We can verify that, but I believe it's funny. You know, I can get a little crazy with these things, but like sometimes I think

of like the end of time Right. as like a um in the beginning of time. Right. As like these double entendres where it's like the end of time is like what does that even mean, right? Like it's it's you're kind of referring to the apocalypse. Right. Right. But maybe it's the end of time itself. And if you think we're we're living in a lower 3D time-bound universe or whatever, maybe there's some apotheosis like event or something. eschalatory event that will lead to the next step or

phase, yeah. The end of Zeno's arrow of time, perhaps, where we become more trans temporal in nature and we It's very possible. Where where where we're not moving in this kind of river arrow of time that like, you know, an Well, that's why, for example, it's it's, you know, for example, if we could get on that topic very quickly, it's like for if you go out to a uh you go out with friends to a bar and then all of a sudden you get a bad feeling that something's going to happen and then you say, "Guys, let's go." And then, you know, an hour or two later there's a a shooting or stabbing. Right.

It's possible that you were viewing a point in time that has already happened in in your soul, if you will, but hasn't played out in the material that. I think you can I think you can not prove that scientifically, but like we're getting there. I I Yeah. The brain probably works like a room temperature quantum system, maybe. I think so. as well like Penrose would say this, right? With the microtubules. Yes. If that's the case, you have temporal non-locality in quantum And we know we can reverse qubit

positions in quantum computations. Right. And so, if you it's been hypothesized by anybody working on quantum computer, Right. very credible people will say, "Yeah, maybe in a working quantum computer you could send information back in time even on the semantic application layer." Right. So, you could send it, you know, information about like uh you know, some password. You could send it back in time like it, you know, a a month prior or whatever. Right. As long for as long as the quantum computer has been on. Right. And so, if you think about the brain as possibly this room temperature quantum system, maybe we do have access to

shards of the future, especially when it's adaptive for our survival. Right. So, when you have like a a really, you know, bad or scary premonition or really meaningful event, Right. you might actually have access to that. And there there might be a physical way of ex- explaining that. I think the only work that I know of, and again, cuz it's not really my area of of competency, but the only work that I know of is Dean Raiden. Yeah. And that and I think that what he's on to is very interesting. To your point, it can't be proven at least yet that we know of, but it's possible that it might be able to

to to be at some point in the in the near distant future. Do you think that blue being that prompted you to get into all this crazy stuff is still helping you out? Yes. Um What do you think that blue being is? It's I I'll be honest with you, I don't know. I've I've really I don't know. Have you seen it since? Um it's more of a feeling rather than a visual. That experience was a very unique one and I haven't had it since. It's more of a feeling.

Why do you think it chose you? I think it I'll I'll be honest with you, I think there are hundreds of thousands of people across the world that that people have been encountered with those exact similar experiences. interesting you have like Ramana Maharshi, you know, downloading math. And so you have like if you look at the history of the the phenomenology of science itself and it's way trippier. I don't Right, so to your point, I don't think I'm the only one by any stretch. I think that um if if you think about the possibility that there's an attempt to educate the younger generation you know,

people younger than me, there Again, I'm not on TikTok, but the few things I've seen on TikTok with regards to kids understanding uh just you know, science and all that baffles me in a in a positive way. Yeah. Because it's like where are they learning this from? And in some cases I've I've met with some families where the kids I've been graciously allowed to speak with the kids and the kids have Well, the the the um the the the ghost comes and tells me. They don't know how else to explain it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like wait a

minute, you've just described, you know, geodesic time like curves in in with, you know, with regards to uh time machines or and so on. And it's like how did you You're like 8 years old. How did you You know what I mean? It's so Yeah. Well, it's it goes it goes into like how How we know anything and what and and epistemics and and you know, I'm I actually just interviewed this Harvard neuroscientist who's studying these telepathic kids. I think the whole world is about to know about this. Oh, wow. Because you have these controlled experiments where you have the kid in one room and then you have the parent

one parent specifically that they have some sort of mind meld with. Right. And you know, random images popping up in the room with the parent and they can 95% of the time accurately say that a baseball or grapefruit or a cloud is popping up on the screen. It's absurd. It's absurd. And and and she got into this because she was really interested in like people like Kim Peek who's the inspiration for Rain Man and like that would like it felt like they were knowledge libraries in the cloud. They weren't just like toiling away learning things for years

at a time or whatever. Exactly. So, I think I think we're on the verge of a greater epistemological paradigm shift and I'm excited to be here for it and I think you're a part of it. So, I appreciate it and I think you're playing a very crucial role in all of this and I think to your point, if I could say without bringing bringing this up again, I think that that third strand of DNA that we talked about may also because it's electrically conductive may be an organic particle accelerator that our bodies allow us to

access with regards to the pineal gland that may in fact allow for information from what people have called particle accelerator? How would that Well, the idea would be maybe perhaps we are organic versions of what physical UAP are of what physical of what craft are. We may be the carbon-based organic version of of what if you look at the way in which a craft allegedly operates the way in in how it it's operates in an engineering sense, it's not unlike that of a human

body except in a few different except with a few different with a few Well, there ancient traditions that would describe these things as sort of soul carriers or And I think that's I think that's pretty spot on, my opinion. Well, then I think about that and then I think about some of these defense use cases and I'm like, that's a little gnarly. Yeah. Yes. Yes, I think there's a whole psychotronic aspect to this that's very controversial, but I think um for example, there was a FOIA leak out of the Washington D.C. fusion center that

someone had filed a FOIA with regards to looking into some uh political groups, but it turned out that they were given I think the file was called uh effects on the human body. And basically what it showed was that through these psychotronic uh electromagnetic uh I don't want to fortunately weapons. It showed the human biofield and the different frequencies that could be applied to it from a distance in which you could um manipulate the body. I know for example, someone that worked on a on a device that uh could make someone

immediately have to defecate uncontrollably. Um Wait, you know somebody that worked on a device that makes people remotely need to take a Are you serious? Who's this person? They're they're not public, but they're but no, it's it's been I mean, this is and I'll tell you to the people that know of this stuff, that's old news. And that's why I'm so confident in in what I'm saying with regards to this. Oh man, that's freaky. Yeah. And I'm not trying to scare people. I believe that those same methodologies

could also be used to heal people. So, again, we have an over uh How do we heal people with this stuff? goes back to our conversation of the uh polarizing the vacuum, the linguistic wave genetics, the Russian gentleman for example. I It goes back to that. What we're dealing with is an overlap of all these fields. Of and so basically the same things that can hurt people can also help people. Well, man, I hope to God cuz I think these things are speeding up that uh we evolve in our consciousness and are made capable to handle what I think

is ultimately a forcing function for humanity, which is technological progress along these lines. agree more. I couldn't agree more. Um yeah, so that's it's pretty pretty It's fascinating. Would you ever do um another one of these with a theoretical physicist that I could bring in from like a traditional academic background? Cuz I think that would be kind of fun. Yeah, sure. I I'll tell you if I could end end by saying this, Jesse, I want what I want you and your audience to know is I'm not expecting anyone to blindly believe me. There are things that I've seen in private laboratories

that are undeniable and verified by people other than myself in those facilities. However, I I'm of the view that I know what I know, but I don't expect people to blindly believe me unless unless they've seen it for themselves. So, for me, I don't get um I don't get discouraged if a theoretical physicist calls me crazy or says, you know, I'm open to some of your stuff, but the rest is too crazy too woo for me. I'll talk to anybody. I love it, man. Well, I appreciate what you're doing and um you have such an amazing cool story. I appreciate it. I hope the blue being

keeps helping you out. Thank you so much. I appreciate it and I I keep watching your show and I look forward to all the new episodes you have coming out. So, thank you. thanks, man. And go go check out Generation Zed, which is on YouTube. Spotify, Apple Podcasts. Spotify, Apple Podcasts. Go support. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. I appreciate it. Thank you. Awesome. Huge news, everyone. We've been sitting on a ton of unreleased footage that we will now be releasing weekly in our new WAP. Our first episode is a completely

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