Nuclear Guard Speaks Out About UFO Abduction

Air Force from um 1975 to 1983 and in 1977 had quite the experience on November 5 missile s which was a Minute Man 2 1.2 Megaton weapon uh in the ground uh in a hardened structure in a silo uh just north of a small town named nle South Dakota uh which is 30 miles north of Sturges which most people have heard before uh and this is a High Plains area Buffalo

running terrain seen them a few times also but uh 1:00 in the morning changed my life that week of November we say 18th 1977 and you were stationed at Ellsworth aworth Air Force Base that's correct and what was your role there what were you doing Security Police M assigned to the missile Squadron you have uh about 800 security police officers that work that work the site and uh about onethird are

assigned to aircraft back at the main support base of Ellsworth the actual Air Force Base all the missile sites themselves are manned by six-man teams and there are 150 menam man two missiles uh with 15 launch control facilities is where you live and you act as a response team uh while on duty on a 12-hour shift uh to respond to any and all given alarms or launch facility checks or anything that an ordinary police type Duty would be not not for our sake but

anything that's used in the uh in that particular field uh you have to be cleared and uh granted a clearance in order to do it if they detect anything that's abnormal with how you may react up to an including taking life if you have to in you know in preservation of keeping that ours uh or saving someone's life I mean they really analyze you deeply to see if you know if you can't do that and you have to report if you're taking any sort of medication they any sort of uh uh yes

diagnoses in the past dealing with mental health correct they they do random blood tests urinalysis uh everything we didn't have gum swabs back then or you know the the tests were different back in that day but uh that was really there was there was no uh leniency in that okay so in El Ellsworth Air Force Base it's 1977 you have a partner that you're working with his name yeah Michael Johnson he's a real light skinned black guy he told me he was from Chicago Illinois and we only

worked together that one day he was working vacation relief for my partner who name was Steve welchel who went to North Carolina to get married so he had 30 days in which to do that so in the inter room while we went on a tour into the field mind you your main base is Ellsworth and you report there our satf or operations facility uh is at Ellsworth and all the different all the three squadrons meet there for this huge guard mount as we are you know we depart from there on buses or helicopters if

the weather's too bad and they can't travel on the road and we go out to our respective launch control facilities where we live for three days at a time and come in the morning of the fourth day so set the scene for the night in question what what are you doing uh really nothing we had gotten out there probably about 930 10:00 in the morning usually if you're working the night shift which we were we were assigned to which was 6:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. we um triy to lay down and take a nap but you know that young and strong

and vibrant I didn't really see the need to do that uh so during the day I just stayed up and did some other things played some ping pong or something and that night we went on duty at 6:00 p.m. of course we go in and we get all of our code tables issued to us and all that stuff or when we're dispatched it can be either or and I guess it was about uh 9:00 9:15 or so and I smoke cigarettes then so I just

thought I'd walk outside and have a cigarette and it was between 9 and 13 degrees outside so I have my long johns on over my fatigues and I just walked outside and you know you're talking Prairie Land as far as you can see north and east and west and you don't see South because the buildings behind you and uh I see this light off to my East at about a 30° angle and it looks like uh like a mini moon I I honestly thought

it was it was the uh Landing lights or some type of Landing lights for B-52 bombers because the main base supported aircraft uploaded aircraft uh of b52s and they often flew sorties or tests runs across the Prairies at night usually around 300 ft so it was like a low-level flight right it was pretty cool to see that that's what I thought it was I

thought they were coming to me that's why I couldn't really gauge the distance I mean I I thought 5 to seven miles and I'll stick with that at about 30° but that it never changed and I kept looking at it looking at it now if I extended my hand this way it covered the the circumference of the of the lights I was the light I was looking at so what did how far away was the object I would guess five to seven miles and and I the reason I say that is I at the end of this I I can make that

correlation uh because you got to have things that you know that put all this together and uh it was just so strange it it was as if there's a light right out there a few miles away from you and you know it doesn't belong there but it's not coming near you and it's not going in either direction anywhere else and there's no noise associated with it there's not it just sits there so that's where I was with that and I'm smoking a cigarette and I thought what literally I thought what the hell is that I can't be is that

b52s or is it helicopters we did have helicopters back then but I've never saw them fly at night like that and uh so again I I just thought it was two B52 bombers together so close you know one behind and a wingman like you know like that that I I just took it as that but I held my hand up like this and it covered the light the circumference of the light but if I did my fist like this then it was larger than my fist was and I thought that is really strange how can that be when I sail with my father

uh growing up I I went to see with him a couple of times during the summer time could he could do that you can't do that today but back then you know a chief engineer could do that MH uh I went inside the facility went into the flight security controller office which was just right to the right as you open the front door and Bill Hollman he was a staff sergeant he was talking to his wife back at Ellsworth and uh the toggle switch or the rocker switch was on the wall just behind him right next to the entrance to

the elevator door where the officers used to go down the elevator to the capsule and I said hey Bill I said there's something out here Strange In The Air I said some lights I said do you mind if I flip my lights at this flipped the lights at this thing and he just looked up at me literally and he had that big old gray phone back to his head and and he just kind of waved me off you know like go ahead do what you want so I just honestly no SOS or nothing I just flipped it off and on off and on off and on three times and uh I ran back outside I was probably 25

see you on the ground and as security policeman you're taught that mhm you you were taught hand signals and flashlight signals you know for aircraft if you need to be rescued or you're trying to Aid them getting to the ground or what have you you know you you are trained on that so I just thought it was really cool and I thought all right well let's carry this on a little bit further because still it was in the same location not coming closer no sound so as I went in I said hey Michael didn't know Michael from Adam's house cat it's our first time we ever worked the

together and he was just simply come out sent out to work vacation and leave for my partner so I went and I said hey man there's something in the air you need to come and look at and now he worked missiles also but on a different flight he was usually at a different location he didn't work November and he outranked Me by two months by the way so he would be driving the vehicle and I would be the passenger or the team member um so he kind of looks at me for a minute and really is not too excited I said come on out here man you got to see

this hoping it would still be there when I went outside so he comes outside I said hold on right there we walked about 20 25 feet and I said look at that you see that he goes yeah I said I just flash the lights at that thing and it flashed back at me and he just looked at me as in disbelief so I I said stay right here and I ran in there real fast and I said hey Bill you got to come see this thing because he and I we went backways and we knew each other pretty well and I don't know what kind of discussion he was in with his wife but he chose not to come and stayed on that damn phone so I flip the lights again

same sequence BLiP BLiP BLiP BLiP BLiP BLiP three of them three times ran back outside about two minutes pass and it goes out comes on goes out comes on and stayed on twice three and two that's right and uh so he just kind of looked at me and looked back at that I said ' whatat do you think man he goes man I don't know and I said I'm going to do it again I'm going to do it again maybe it'll I said do you hear anything couldn't hear

nothing he didn't hear anything he didn't seem to be too impressed I must say that he just it didn't seem to really get a hold of him the way it did me I was excited about it still not knowing what it was I said it's got to I said it's got to be b52s no reply so I ran back in again I did the same thing he stayed right there flipped it off flipped it on flipped it off flipped it on ran back outside I know Bill Hollman thought I was a nut by that time so I get back out there and it flipped off and it did not come back on

and it but when it did come on was about it was about 30 seconds or so it had moved just a little bit north but it had moved further Westward like from that position to this position which made it look say from the say from the 3:00 position where I was visualizing it seeing it maybe to the 130 position something like that and it came on and it just stayed right there never heard anything never saw any type of flame or

anything like an After Burner or nothing it didn't move it just was right there and he goes hey man he goes he said I don't know and I said what do you think it could be oh whatever whatever and he walked back inside so the last time I went in there and fli the lights at the thing came back out and that would be the fourth time and it was out out and I didn't see it again it was when I came back out it was gone or it was out so I I just shook my head I just took it well I guess they

went that way you know maybe flying up toward or over toward Belo which is about 30 miles away north and west of location uh more north of that North Dakota you know so I mean we were in that proximity in that high Northwestern area there and uh so I just went back inside and I guess all this time from like qu after 9 to about 9:40 is when all this transpired you know maybe 9:35 I it's hard to be exact but I try to be and I went in and started playing some

cards watching TV or something or he didn't want to do anything as I said we literally didn't know each other and we didn't we spoke very little and other than the fact that I knew you know the area in November you know that site and all the missile sites where they were located which are 10 of them uh he was just there to fill in so I we watch TV until midnight and that signal comes on used to be looked like a radiological signal used to come on at 12:00 when all the three stations

that we have would go off the air and then it would have that loud noise you know that signal sound St yeah so that happened so he just turned the TV off nation was a different place then believe me was in a different place then and uh I guess it was about 12:5 when as I was sitting down I think I was looking at a book or something I hear the alert phone in the flight Security controller's Office go off and that's the phone that's directly connected to

my my I had on bunny boots because I knew I was going to be doing some walking because you have to do a certain a certain type of Route Around the facility on foot inside and outside the fence line which is a a good walk and uh in snow it gets kind of little dicey because it just does but anyway so we got all of our equipment we had our weapons we had our code tables we had our Diddy bags which is what you carry all your stuff in and the f154 pickup truck was sitting directly outside our

uh our front door we keep it plugged in because it gets so cold there that it will freeze up the coolant in your engine or they also have a way of keeping the uh transmission warm with a so unpluged that we were set to go the vehicle's warming up and um we got our safety briefing and everything that we needed and off we went and I'd say that was probably right around 1220 12:25 and it was a 15minute excuse me travel time uh to November 5 and strangely

enough that was the closest launch facility to our launch control facility where we lived it was the closest one as the crow flies it was only maybe 5 and 1 half miles away but the way had that you had to get there made it probably 10 miles or 8 and 1 half 10 miles somewhere in there uh so as we left uh we go through the gate out to the end of these are all clay roads you can go from one end of the state on the other on the Clay Road and they're maintained by the state

they're very nice uh got to the intersection hung a left there's no traffic believe me there's no traffic and uh next intersection turn left and it's 4 1/2 miles from that intersection up to Highway 79 which runs down to new so you're going uphill as you go down in this little depression area you're going uphill toward the highway bed as they build them highest the snow and ice runs off of them and I just happen to look to about my 4:00 position straight that way

where November 5 was located and when I did I see this I see this pulsation like an orange yellow and white white type glow coming off the ground from miles away should have never have never seen that before and I said hey Michael I said check this out man I said you see that glow over there I said look look how I said can you see that he didn't say anything yet and as we got up to Highway 79 and we turned right then we were on top of that plateau and now that 4:00 has become

like a 130 again and I said look at that man I'm telling you that's that object and why I said that I don't know he just said whatever man and he said that to me a couple times that night whatever man so as we traversed down Highway 79 toward new to a stop sign there's one stop sign and one stop light in new and the population then was 230 people in that town and it was on the entrance and the exit on Highway 79 every time I entered new population was 230 when I

left it was 230 so now it's 600 and something uh so there in 21 but um as we went downhill I lost sight of that of that pulsating glow we went down to the stop sign we took a right and the road goes out about a mile and a half and then a dog legs back to the left and as we turned left on the not not a hard left just a dog leg left there sat this object on top of November 5 that was about 10 ft in the air directly on top

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cattle crossing is located because all these ranchers own this property and the property was leased from them to put these missile sites on back in the day when they built them so the cattle can't come out into the main road it still happens but it it really decreases that from occurring so we pulled up right at that cattle gate and immediately upon doing so immediately upon doing so it was as if a light came down that just about blew my eyeballs out of my head it just you

could literally almost see the veins behind behind your eyelids it was as if was but whatever was released or or put down our way just completely almost disabled you just from the brightness you it was like living in a welder's for a few moments and then the atmosphere just vacated couldn't breathe literally could not get a breath of air now I don't know if that was from my excitement I don't know it's from

adrenaline I I I'm 23 years old I was in excellent shape m i could flat foot 25 miles of in full combat dress and and smoke a cigarette at the end of it it didn't bother me a bit literally I was in that kind of shape wow and uh I was just so taken Michael Johnson I never even remember him looking up at the thing but for me we were at a I was at a 45 degree angle and I'm looking directly out his window and part of the back window and the from this is an F-15

Ford pickup truck a 1975 or 76 I can't remember which but the square body type type pickup truck Western mirrors on the sides of them two wheel drive vehicles and the only thing I knew to do was to ask for relief and where did that come from I have no idea where that where that thought or impulse came from you pray to God or Jesus or just relief generically I I think he was in there and I just asked

for relief from what I was experiencing to breathe because I didn't think I was going to be able to take another breath of air and I grabbed my flashlight which uh I've gotten ridicule before it was like it was an aluminum black 3D cell flashlight mhm I think it was made in Japan I'm not sure but it was a great tool and they just started making them now Maglite didn't come out until 79 I had this in' 77 it was given to me as a gift and I roll the window

up with my right hand and I grabbed onto that mirror pull myself up on that window seal because I was so afraid to step out of the cab of that truck now I'm fully armed why would I be afraid I've never been afraid to do anything I mean especially in my duty I was so didn't know how to I don't know how to deal with it I pull myself up on the seat of that up on the window seal of that truck out of that

seat and uh I grabbed my flashlight and I had a glove on my left hand and I had my I had my flashlight in my right hand and I had had my hand on the blue bubble up on top with a glove and I just I just flash that flashlight at this thing like I did at the facility I guess I don't really know and as soon as I did it felt that I got relief it felt like there was relief and I just slid back down in the seat and as I slid back down in the seat I noticed all these I

noticed dust particles and stuff that and a way in which that cab was lit up that uh it's hard to describe it seemed like everything was in slow motion like the dust that was in that cab circulating uh from the vent workor was like it was in slow motion movement I was like looking at it it was like sparkles or something or like glitter it was like that and I I thought what What's Happening Here what is this and I I was trying to breathe I was trying to talk to

Michael got no answer from him as he was just stuck or glued to that to that steering wheel and he was just bathed in a blue white light you know the light intensity never honestly went away it was just it was just all-encompassing it was just it was just all surrounding to a where you're like trapped in light there's no way there's nowhere to go I mean there's nothing you can do about it it just I don't know I just felt like somebody had me right where they wanted

me for some I just described went by in just a couple of seconds not minutes but just a couple of seconds all this just happened so fast faster than what I've just told you and then this black ball about six times the size of a beach ball looked as if it had vents or something on it not round vents but these

long long like uh lines coming down the side of it just it didn't touch our truck but it shot right down in front over the hood of this F-150 and I don't even know what to say but it was so fast and so whatever it was doing quick that it just bounced around from every location on the truck front back left right in front and then it was just

much time has passed then I became afraid and I made sure I rolled my up I put my M16 when I came back got it back in when I slid back into the truck I put my M16 between my legs and I was I was holding on to the barrel I don't know where my flashlight went I just knew to secure my weapon between my legs and I held on to the barrel and this permeating smell I have no idea where it came from because as I said my window was up and I know his window was up so

it had to come through the ventilation duck work I guess but it permeated the vehicle like I mean stench smell bad ammonia like you want to roll to window this down you you want to step outside and get some fresh air I mean some of the cleanest air on the planet runs through South Dakota uh year round but uh this was like standing in a in a I don't know in a bottom of a boat or something you know where they catch

shrimp I guess and dump them there but put them there I shouldn't even say that but anyway it was overwhelming and when I smell that I just got a real strange feeling from like something when you're when you're afraid or when you're scared or or something I knew that wasn't normal and I know I'd never smell that before I only associated with what Associated it with what I smelled in the past trying to make a maybe a visualization in my

mind what it what it could be did we could breathe again or I could breathe again Michael Johnson he didn't he never said anything from the time we rolled up to that site anything the last thing he said to me was on the top of Highway 79 when whatever man as it was glowing over in the far distance that I saw this pulsation off the ground or what I took

as off the ground from where where we were from driving there and uh so when that happened I I felt as if I was becoming I don't know sleepy or tunnel visioned or something and I kept shaking my head as I relive it as we're sitting here right now I kept trying to I felt as if I was going to go out so I was trying to hold my breath and squeeze you know like Pilots do that you know and

gits to keep the blood in their head right but I felt as if I was going to pass out and I started getting this tunnel vision effect in a way where I couldn't I couldn't see and it was just getting smaller and smaller and it was black on the exterior of that visual that I was looking out the front window I mean all these thoughts are running around in your brain and and this is only take this is all taking place in just a couple of minutes not 10 minutes not even five minutes from what I what I

same color as what was on that little oneand and when I saw him then then I was afraid then I felt fear maybe just visualized fear I don't know it didn't do anything to me that caused fear other than where I was and what I'd just gone through and then I I went black I just I just went that's the last thing that I saw in my mind and just a second went by and literally

I I I came when I came to my weapon was between my legs and I'm still holding on to it and I just looked straight up like that and right out the windshield of that 150 and his total Blackness and I thought where where'd all the light go where's no literally I didn't even know where I was we were I said Michael Michael where are we what Happ where's November 5 cuz this it's lit up it has lights on it you know they're like like pole lights it has

those type of lights on it at night this is a standalone facility so even if external power is cut this thing takes over and has a generator run itself right uh no answer from Michael and I kept yelling at him Michael Michael what's going on with you man and I pushed him in his shoulder really hard I even I put my finger in his ear after a couple of minutes I shoved him shoved him checked his pulse he was breathing I couldn't get anything out of him he was as if he was in some type of a state which I didn't didn't even

really know to have the words for as if he he was his eyes were open and he was breathing and his heart was pumping but he was just stuck on that steering wheel and I I I tried I don't know how many times to get him to say something I said snap out of it man what's going on wrong I got frustrated with that and I just popped the door open little lever on the side I popped the door open and I stepped out trying to get in my mind where' November 5 go because that's where we were I mean and this was a this was a a very serious

alarm so that that reason had to be found out why that thing alarmed where it did how it did uh in that in that alarm configuration and when I stepped down I stepped in mud with those bunny boots on and I went what the hell how is this and and then to my right where your chair is located maybe a foot further there was a wall there at about a 45 degree angle and it was white and

it went up about I don't know as far as I could see like 50 fet when my eyes got more accustomed to the darkness and then when I looked in both directions not knowing exactly where I was on the compass uh it was as far as I could see that direction as far as I could see that direction and up about 50 feet when I become acclimated to the to the darkness had no idea where this was I said Michael come on man you got to wake up dude we're you know we're in a bad

way here we got to find out what the what the hell's going on here you know nothing nothing I even tried pulling his hand off that steering wheel and he was just he was just I don't know how a person can stay that tense and for so long that he don't cramp up I would cramp up doing that but he did hear WSC to November 1 that's us WSC November 1 watch your location

and I just I said are you going to get that thinking that would snap him out of that heing that radio signal a radio call for us he didn't answer and I picked it up and I said senior Woods WSC I I said uh I I I don't know where we are and he goes do you need medical help or do you need assistance and I said I don't know sir I said I'm fine but my partner won't respond to me I said he's awake breathing and well but he won't let go of the steering wheel and he's just

sitting in a driver's seat just like he is stuck he's just like in the Frozen catatonic State that's the word that I had never heard when it was told to me catatonic State and that's correct he was so when I when I finally got out of the vehicle again and and walked and looked and I'm talking where did all this mud come from with this temperature because everything else is

about 50 ft high and at this strange angle like 45 degrees well it was the backside of the new Lake Reservoir Dam and that is about on the map about 8 mil 8 and 1/2 miles away from November 5 now we only had two wheel drive vehicles and where we were positioned behind that dam was in the very center of that damn

Point and at the far end was the slooh gate where they control the water flow and allow it to ex to go out if it gets the reservoir gets too full and in front of us was the rest of the dam and it that road ran uh North North and maintain one minute Security checks because they were trying to triangulate our location now I had never done that in tech school but I'd heard of it I may have

missing time and I can't explain any of it because for me it was just what I saw what we experienced what I smelled lights out next thing know we're sitting behind new Lake Reservoir Dam miles away miles away um uh the sergeant Garza it was a there were three um alert teams looking for so that's six security policemen from three different sites whether they use the primary or the backup alert teams I'm not really sure

or who that state trooper was it was on duty at that time and uh two of the three are passed but one Nam last name Kellogg is still alive and I'm trying to make contact with him did Michael Johnson ever make it out of his catatonic State your partner no no not while we were there when Sergeant Garza pulled up he pulled up within say 60 feet I guess he didn't want to get in get into the to the snow area that we were in he pulled up and I I walked around the back of the truck

walked out toward him and I said I said hey sarden Garza how's it going I said what's going on he said Mario I can't talk to you about this he said I'm just here to escort you back to November control and I said okay but I need help with Michael Johnson and he looked at me kind of strange he said what do you mean I said I can't get him off the steering wheel and he won't talk he won't say anything well you know I've never dealt with anything like that or anybody else has that I know where somebody's you know locked up Frozen in some type of state of a catatonic

State hanging on to something you know usually you can you know I I I literally couldn't believe how hard it was to get that that man's hands off that steering wheel I I couldn't believe it so we unbelted him and did that we slid him across the driver's seat and into the passenger side belted him back in he just sat there with his hands down looking forward and I kept talking to him thinking at some point he would just feel fall free you know or whatever he was experiencing but again this was a two wheel drive vehicle and walking around that vehicle as I just described

on the left side or driver's side of vehicle about 4 and a half foot away from that door was a big drop off that's there today and that is the the holding Pond for anything that comes out of that Dam and it's pretty dead gum deep so had we gone in there driven in there I'm just this is a water if now had we driven in there that Road's only 5et wide there's no way that this two wheel drive F-15 for would road tires on it

not even any big mud tires or anything they didn't even have those back then would be able to turn around we were just in the only position we could be in to drive out of that Dad gun place and I drove out of it and I never went over any tracks and it hadn't snowed anymore or anything had nothing had changed since since we were there when I left out of there it was the only set of tracks coming out of where we were one set of tracks but had he open that door and stepped out of that vehicle or I had

you'd have gone right down now you know wouldn't it probably just Sid down in mud but it was down pretty deep and that it was just amazing to me how we were in the right position to exit there that's important to me uh trying to explain it to myself how how this took so followed them back to the launch control facility to November 1 they escorted us all the way there and then uh two of the three teams dropped off and I guess garer or one of the teams

remained I guess they had to have when we were going to be removed from the site and taken back to the main base of Ellsworth which is about 55 miles away and I didn't know that at the time they had to have our Replacements immediately there that you can't be underst staffed on any kind of launch control facility it has to be fully staffed at all uh so when we pulled up at the site my flight Chief was there ma sard Hawkins or um Master Sergeant Joel gray assistant flight Chief was uh Tech

Sergeant Hawkins the um facility manager he was a tech sergeant yeah the two officers that were on duty they were off duty now and they were above ground they had been relieved their Replacements were underground uh Bill Hollman the site cook uh and of course you had um one of the the the one uh security response team that remained him and his partner so they took me in the day room and I when they came out to meet us the gate slides open I pulled in right in front

of the uh flight Security controller's office and they just descended upon the vehicle well we got our got our bags out and all that stuff and they went to the passenger sign and I said I don't know what's wrong with Michael I said I can't get in to speak and I said we had a heck of a time getting him off the steering wheel nobody said or anything at that point they took him put him uh put his arms over their shoulders and they took him to the back room I think in the in the facility manager's quarters I I don't know what they did but that's where they took him they took me into the day room or I

walked into the day room and mind you I'd been up the entire day before 5:00 in the morning till we had guard mount traveled you know to get out there then stayed up all day went all night long and until this happened and uh so now it's probably somewhere around I'm going to say 7:15 7:30 in the morning uh and we had just departed new Lake Reservoir Dam and I'd never been there before I never I never knew that place was even there and it's a little

north of November control and it's sitting back off the road about four and a half miles so it sits way back up on the Prairie and and I honestly had never been there before nor knew about it and uh so they started banging me with questions and what did you see what did you do you know how did you do this uh you communicated this you didn't report you know what was wrong with the site just all these things were coming at me and I was answering every single one of them and there believe me there was a

bunch of questions you just don't go missing on a on a on a nuclear missile site for for five hours and not answer questions y it's a big deal did you get the sense when they were asking you questions that they had seen things like this before or like it was this completely novel thing where it's like what the hell happened here we have no idea like we have no idea how to even we have no pattern recognition for this um well there were rumors years before I got there that something happened down

toward the Badlands in the 66th area and uh where two security policemen were found uh out of their vehicle the vehicle was you know some distance away from them their weapons were distance from them in an open Prairie and they one was found completely with no clothes on the other was just about like 90% uh uh and I don't know what happened to that but there there were always talks and rumors about things in the air or

things on the back at the runway at Ellsworth you know B-52's uploaded bombers that are ready to go uploaded on the alert pad and uh what do they use f-86s at one point or a couple of times to chase these objects away and I think there's several reports of that one of the guys that I know uh who's an F16 pilot uh Chris leato we were talking about we were talking about that one time uh but anyway they questioned me up one side

and down the other and uh I I I remember telling Master s and gray I said I I can draw some things if you'd like me to and um that the question never really got I don't know if it didn't get to him or answer to or what happened but uh he just they just kept asking questions and I and I got to the point where it was just everything was just at one time coming from every Space in My Mind questions about the whole deal and I said hey I said I got to go to the restroom just to get away

from it for 10 seconds I just wanted a little bit of Peace just for a few seconds of trying to cope with what I had just seen live through and experienced is this is nothing I ever had before and I went to the restroom and I opened up the stall door which is still there today I went right back to it in 21 and I just went and sat on the toilet and uh closed the door and you know a regular stall door do about that high up off the floor blue and these

these facilities were extremely nice I mean you could it they were they were not uh they were very wellmaintained and extremely nice and I was just sitting there on that toilet thinking about what I had seen and and what had transpired you know the thought hit me I didn't even strike the site and that's the procedure that you do when you arrive at the facility that you that's required for you have these steps that you have to follow to eliminate whatever threat there is there and but to assess the

entire situation and report that back we never reported anything back like that you know we didn't I don't even think we used the radio from moments of arrival I really don't I can't remember if we did and all of a sudden Jess I get this ringing in my ears that was as if somebody struck a Liberty Bell right next to my head I mean really I have to emphasize that because it was like it got my attention I don't know if I reached up and put my hands on my ears or what but when it

happened everything turned like lime green to me like PE green and I I didn't uh it was as if my vision was changing or some part of my visual Acuity was and I closed my eyes and when I did I had this feeling I was leaving my body literally I was I I you know I thought I was dying I said I guess this is this this is how you

die and every time I closed my eyes I felt as if I went without going anywhere I felt as if I kept going lower Within Myself and I knew that there was a Clear Channel to at me through my feet I knew there was it was a map there was something there I could leave if I so CH chose to do so and it scared me to death it's literally scared me to death man and when I open my eyes that last time I saw four fuzzy feet walking by

pause walking by the bottom of that door with a set of cocker and military boots behind him that was a dog handler and his drug dog so you know they had gotten one they had gotten them to come out 55 miles out from base to go through all of our stuff make sure there's no drugs involved and I said man I said I'm glad to I'm glad to see you because he didn't know what I just experienced and I said my diddy bag is out there in the day room he says it's all right Mario we already have it I don't know who he was but he knew my name I don't know if he

had just been told my name or what you know I I played a lot of tennis back then he may have been somebody I played with but uh I said I'll be out in just a minute man he goes yeah no worries man he says you're all good just come and check on you that's what he said just came in to check on you I said Thank you so they they left or we're leaving and I opened up the stall door and I just went to the sink and mind you I still have on my long johns and my fatigue pants and shirt and you know same clothes I was in

about 30 hours now and I just turn that fet on as ice cold water and I just literally just drowned myself with water I was just soaking wet because uh Master Sergeant gray said something to me as I came out D he said what' you do climb in the sink or something like that and I and I did I don't even know if I answer it I just said yes sir um so I I I think I had a towel in my hand and he said well he goes get your stuff he goes we have to go we have to go back to the satth building that was our main operations building on

Ellsworth and I said yes sir so I grabbed my stuff and immediately I said well what about Michael Johnson he said don't worry about him he'll be going with s Hawk and I said okay and I really wanted to talk to him but immediately upon arrival at that site we were separated right then and there now I don't know what good it would have done because he wasn't coherent or wasn't answering or anything anyway he hadn't said a word that not one word that I knew of not one word he hadn't said anything to me or to anybody else that was there and I don't know how they transported him you know other than

him telling me that Master AR Tech Sergeant Hawkins was going to take him to the base right so I got my diddy bag and loaded up and uh got my weapon everything and off we went to Ellsworth and it was about an hour 10minute ride back to Ellsworth we went in through the back uh gate at box elder and went straight to the satap building and he escorted me the entire way Armory turned in turned in a weapon all that stuff and um which was normal

procedure you know um went to Ralph East breer's office under escort and of course when you are called in like that you do a formal report in where you literally bang on knock on the door frame or whatever even if the door's open you knock on the door frame and then your commander whomever tell you can enter the room you enter the room go directly to his desk you know heels together at attention you know report in you know senior was reporting his order sir you know and uh he told me

at ease but he didn't tell me I could sit down I never forget that I just thought it was strange you know and I and he had to know how long I'd been up I mean I I was I was weakened if I may say I just felt really weakened in a in a different state not knowing what I experienced I was still wet from an hour and 15 minutes ago from the sink you know so it was really strange and uh he asked me some questions and he said uh I remember him

saying sounds as if you've had an interesting evening or night or something like that and I said yes sir and I look to my left and there's there's a total of five people in that room there's the deputy base commander who I don't remember his name but next to him was a man in a gray Tweed uh suit with a hat and the hat was under his arm then there was a captain uh Jack OSI next to him was this new OSI guy

named Rick doie interesting yeah so and do you have any speculation as to who the guy in the great tweet Su was I was never introduced to him nor told his name and I only found out uh Jack Reed was a captain in OSI he was the lead OSI officer on at Ellsworth at that time and uh through an email that Rick Dodie sent me after about five years of trying to trying to get him to answer my emails or

talked to me because the first time I saw him was on Ancient Aliens and I said I know that guy he was at my debrief I was a Counter Intelligence officer for the Air Force offic Special investigation I was personally fascinated by the fact that Richard Dodie had been involved in the aftermath of Mario's case I knew about Dodie because of a great book called project beta by Greg Bishop Dodie was an Air Force counterintelligence agent basically tasked with performing a psychological operation on an innocent researcher named Paul benowitz who had

but with no success or anybody else and especially Michael Johnson some money has been spent trying to locate Michael Johnson we've looked in hospitals we've looked in can't find him anywhere no sir and I reported that the arrow in March of uh 203 I think when I spoke with them did era follow up at all I don't know they never got back with me and 4 hours and 19 minutes I spoke with them that's crazy yeah and they said I would get a copy of everything which had been you know talked about they say they don't record it how do you how do you how do

you send somebody a copy without recording something come on that's ridiculous can you write that fast no but I mean it's also like and there's not there's more than one person sitting there also oh my God but did you I mean the government agency tasked for investigating UFOs and you don't record your conversation it's absolutely absurd corre yeah then two weeks later is when kpatrick went on and said there was no substantial evidence uh can you contact Michael Johnson's family I don't don't have any way I don't have any any numbers or anything he said he was from Chicago Illinois believe me every

resource including other law enforcement officers that I know today's technology have not located him yet neither has Arrow so what what was your interaction with Dodie nothing not one that we never spoke or anything like that he was directly reporting to Captain Jack Reed next to him okay so that's fascinating right that this guy who's clearly this disinfo agent you know at least in the context of benowitz is showing up seven years earlier eight years earlier in your case and you don't know brand new

he was brand new then so as a person that's very high in this whole thing said those were the days that when he probably honestly not uh changed in any way perhaps I just want to say that the right way because we you know we uh I email him once in a um and he'll answer me back whereas it took me about five years to get him to even do that and then we got to be on a

a cast together so real quick just context he now has come out saying he's reformed and he apologizes for you know his malpractice in the past uh a lot of people are suspicious of that reform it does feel a little bit sometimes to me like he's flooding The Zone with this info like he'll talk about you know six alien races yeah and it just seems extremely speculative and not based on any sort of evidence corre very weird yeah it's it's uh it's more than I know how to swallow I only know that uh what

I witnessed is my incident and uh anybody that I could get that's you know that was there have some idea of it or that I knew I've done everything that I can to try and locate them and he is the only person so far that I have found alive and mind you I'm 69 and I think he's older than I am I think I think that's what he told me that he was in his 70s and I have no idea I mean when I saw that thing the other day about him saying he was it was from uh 78 to 88

when he was in OSI really really bothered me and that was just last week that I saw that and uh I'll try to find the program again and I'll send you something about it did you have any biological after effects after you had this experience well I uh I if if you want me to I'll I'll explain that because I get sent over to the uh flight surgeon's office after this entire debriefing takes place and questions and like you wouldn't believe uh from my commander and I just relayed

everything that I just show told you with the exception of what I saw or what I thought I saw at the side window of my vehicle had I said that I saw these beings they would have immediately removed me from the PE RP personal reliability program I'd have lost my clearance I'd have lost my job I'd have never been in the missile field again and I was a newly w at the time and I needed a job and I loved what I was doing I just had no no idea that

something like this could even happen so did you lie about what happened to you no I did not lie I just simply did not tell them what I saw yeah out that side window yeah I told them everything else the size of the craft you know and and how we came upon it and fliping the facility lights at it and every I told him the entire story up to the point where what was out that window I never said a word about yeah so I had to write that in the report also but that was after about an hour and a half almost

two hours of this uh debriefing in the Commander's office and once that was done he said well we're going to have the flight surgeon take a look at you I said yes sir okay so uh they loaded me up in his staff car and took me over to medical and i' never been in a flight surgeon's office before thinking oh boy what you know what's what's this going to be and I'm still wet like I said I'm still damp from the water the Basin bath I call it and uh I stripped down to my underwear and

my and my and a t-shirt or something and there was a nurse in the room and there were two flight surgeons and it was a time in when they had these uh these gray like separating walls that were about five or six feet high with the little wavy glass at the top of it so if you walked in another room over there you could see heads but you couldn't see what was going on it used to be like a big like a room divider or something and that was important because the guys from OSI they were on the other side of that of that wall of that that panel and I

knew they were there uh and as the doctors you know started you know asking me questions uh it was one tall and one short uh uh they tested my ears eyes nose throat looked at my joints my hands my fingers you know just literally everywhere and uh then they like walk over few feet away and they' talk a little bit and I couldn't quite hear what they were saying and the nurse was just over to my right and

uh came back and the one of them grabbed the you know latex glove and he puts it on his hand and I just thought there's a nurse in here and then he and he snapped that thing you know I just thought oh you know really I did I thought oh man you know what looking forward to this and uh he goes uh ER Woods you mind if I take a look at your gums and uh that was the that was farthest from my mind of anything in that room that day and I said excuse me he goes yeah I need I need to look at

your gums your teeth I I that was better than the alternative I said sure okay so uh I just sat right there and he just opened my mouth and he just took his his index finger and his thumb and he just went all the way around my gums and my teeth squeezing tops and bottoms and I mean really took his time and spent time up here in the front under my tongue just pressing down like on the bottom like the floor of your Jawbone or something and uh took them a couple of minutes and

burned me right above my eyebrow right there now I did have those Air Force glasses on and I think that's why it had a strange curve in it in that in that little sunburn but he says we need to take a skin sample and I said oh okay and they pulled out the nurse had this little tray uh with two types of uh or two little uh stainless cylinders on it with cork Tops on it and I guess the tool was

inside the the little cylinder thing he popped that off he went up here and he just clipped a piece of skin off there and he took the whole tool and he stuck it right down in there and put a cork on it laid it on that tray I felt it you know didn't feel like much just a little clip I mean like clipping a nail or something you know and then he did it on the back of my hand once over here and once right over here same tool I don't know if it could pick up two different pieces of flesh but it that's what he used the same tool put it in the other one corked it and did that and they walked over for a second and talked a few more moments and then they turned

around said uh thank you you know but uh you know you're done you know you can go back over to the Commander's office now you can get dressed I said yes sir thank you okay so when I looked back up OSI had they had they had gone so there was a driver in the in the in a colonel spraker vehicle he was waiting on me when I got dressed and went back out there uh I got in a vehicle and went straight back to Colonel straker's office where where OS

OSI was there so Colonel spraker uh ask some more and every time I ask about Michael Johnson they tell they kept telling me don't worry about Michael Johnson he's fine he's fine really bothered me yeah it just I almost sounds like they're covering for something yeah he don't worry about Michael Johnson he is fine and uh oh oh when I did go back to Colonel breer's office again I had to go and do a formal report in again and

uh do everything else told then he told me I could sit down in front of him which I did and then the uh Captain Jack Reed walked over to his desk Colonel spraker desk and handed him paperwork and uh at the same time Colonel spraker handed me these reporting forms I don't know what I don't know the number but he handed me these he handed me these forms he said I need you to write down every single thing that happened on that site

tonight from the time you got this alarm to to the completion you know and I went oh I mean I I print very well and I'm pretty detailed and I'll be H happy to do that again I omitted what I saw out my right window so I never got a copy of that they would not let me have a copy of that and um which I found kind of odd because anytime any other time you know you get Article 15 or something you get a copy of it you know something bad that you've done and again I felt as if I'd done something incorrect or wrong

I was told and I was was agreeing to that that I would not speak to any type of uh they didn't even use the word social media like media people at any time if anybody comes into the missile field you don't talk to anyone period you don't even tell your wife and now she thought it was odd because I should have been gone come back in the morning of the fourth day I had just Departed the day before then this happened that night and then I I wasn't allowed to call her till about 3:00 when everything

was said and done done and I agreed to that agreement so Rick Do's job what he said when I question him about it was he over to the flight surgeon's office to pick up our medical records my in Michael Johnson's now I had no idea Michael Johnson was even over there if he was truly there or not I'm really not sure I never saw him I

didn't see Michael again as I said for about 18 days but uh he was there to study so you did see Michael 18 days later yeah he he was there to pick up just our medical records and bring them back to his officer which I find I just find indifference with that you know there had to be something said about what just happened I mean for one it was an incident of security being that we didn't do what we were supposed to do and we had 5 hours of missing time they have to account to that for

somebody somebody higher than that base commander or Deputy base commander and that and that squadron commander they had to address somebody say right Pat or wherever they have they have to up Channel reporting has to take place that o' and she picked me up and she sees me I got a Band-Aid up here and I got one on the back of my hand what happened I can't tell her and I and I had to stick with that and I I said just something

happened and I said my partner and I we were brought back in you know I'll go back out so I got extra days off we'll go back out the next rotation but I never went back to no Wimer control they sent me to kilo control under the scrutiny of my flight Chief and assistant flight Chief and the OIC which is a lieutenant over all the missile over everything out there in that sector um and he had a he had a not a name but he had a u a terminology not a flight Chief but an officer in charge uh

a flight operations I'm not sure and he stayed there uh at kilo control and of course I was a member then never a team leader again until the day I nine months later I got my assignment to go to Korea but getting back to that about two and a half three weeks later we're living in it's called Hanes Way Apartment they're still there today in Rapid City I get this bar none kid you not when that

knock came at that door I knew it was Johnson I knew it was that man and i' never met him or had him in any kind of a other than sitting in the cab of that truck which I not he only said like three words to me whatever man and outside too or I don't know what it is and that was back at the sight when I was flashing the lights at it that's all he' ever said to me other than the fact that in the day room or on the way out on a bus he said he he was from Chicago Illinois uh his he was not married and he lived in the barracks I knew that he

knocks on my door open I said Michael how you doing man I said come on in here we got to talk you know Band-Aids are off have no more marks it was sunburn kind of thing there was more marked what he did what he took off than there was when the skin healed so which was nothing I'm old Tampa boy so I'm used to sunburn you know I look like this in the summertime yeah but um he came in and I said I introduced him to my wife and I said all right this is what we're gonna do and he looked at me and I said I want you to draw what you saw and I'm going

all that and saw every bit of it but couldn't do nothing about it it was as if he was just literally turned off and couldn't respond to anything he felt everything I ran that finger in his ear that deep I felt really bad about that but I just wanted him to know that I was trying I was checking he knew that I I was checking him what yeah what was going on you know but he couldn't do nothing about it he couldn't undo himself or just move so how did you guys leave it so did you you draw you drew very similar things yeah

we drew the exact same pictures and everything could we see the pictures and show the audience well I I do have the drawings yeah I don't have them from him but I've got my rendition of them that's remarkable and then after that what happens between you and Michael we were there an hour hour and a half and it was good good and it was good vibes all the way through he had some tea or something and we talked some more we

said hey well we need to get together again and chat some more you know and he said yeah I agree with that that was the last time I ever saw him you couldn't get in touch after that she tried no yeah yeah I don't know where he went I don't know what happened to him I don't know if he was sent somewhere else it wasn't eight months later well it was about s months 6 months later I got promoted to an NCO non-commissioned Officer Buck Sergeant so I know he had to go he he outranked Me by 2 months so he had to be upgraded also or promoted

to an NCO and uh have you tried looking up his records yeah everything anything and everything you can't find anything I can't find a damn thing do you think the guy in the great Tweed suit you know I think Bob Jacobs talked about two guys in great Tweed SE I think he was a GS government Service employee okay and so he was probably B Bob and I talked about that too so he was probably the highest ranking guy in the room yeah well I don't know I mean for GS service perhaps U but uh colonel spraker was the highest

ranking in that room and I don't remember the rank of the Deputy base commander if you have 170 you know people seeing a thing around nuclear bases and they're all told to sign non-disclosures after they see a thing what do you think the real number is given how many thousands of people have worked at nuclear bases you know in the 70E plus American nuclear program history you think it's over a thousand it has to be I I would say that anybody even today were then they're still active you know Ellsworth has been

decommissioned on the missile side I think that was in 1992 and the only missile that ever flew out of the ground in the minute man program was at November 2 where I was located not during my time but in the 60s and I believe it flew for 5 seconds that that was detonated you know dummy Warhead you know they just they wanted to make sure that it would launch out of The Silo that's all mind ey view from every one of those sites are Standalone sites those missiles are Standalone with that launch control

facility so in each launch control facility you got 10 1.2 Megaton missile systems sitting in the ground all around you I mean up to miles away from you as I said you know no five what was the closest launch facility to November control if you had the technology to shut off one missile or to alarm one missile would you not know that that's the shortest response time and this is really reaching but why didn't they s

off November 10 or November 9 up by Castle Rock or why didn't you know why was it they didn't have more time to spare or what they just sat off November 5 they knew we were coming I literally I really do think that I mean I don't think it was they knew I think they know they can see the power grid under the ground because everything out there is underground everything that's why they that's how they keep power on in the winter time they built underground All These Years also the the response on The Human Side for you feels oddly routine

if that were like the first or only incident that had ever happened you'd think that you know the the superior superiors would be freaked out right like it's like you have nuclear missile silos like these are it's it's it's it's our you know top of the food chain when it comes to American defense yes and offense or so we think or so there are other variations and I think they in turn gauge our overall knowledge on splitting the atom yeah and what's in those two Hells what source we're using

where it's no matter if it's plutonium it's uranium or what it is and I worked at those facilities too I was with us doe for quite some time also as a security inspector so I've been through a lot of these Laboratories I've been to Los Alamos Sandia Oakridge National Laboratory uh the y12 facility Oakridge gases diffusion facility and General Electric Neutron devices where triggering me mechanisms were built rtgs so where where where were you at g shenek New York no uh Largo Florida okay

that was their doe facility which is now decommissioned I don't do it any longer they made the triggering device there that that uh is used that you can see all night whatever is going on on the UFO side is very interested in not only nuclear weapons but it seems like nuclear energy like right anything in which we use an atom for but I honestly think that they gauge our Intelligence on that in some way and that's why they're so closely scrutinized the other thing that's funny I think they have a sense of humor and the reason I think

that is when you get all these sites that are shut down and everybody scrambles they're all offline and everything like what happened to Robert Salis for instance yeah and and his Commander yeah the flip side of that is when one of these sites alarm and start its countdown as is it's going to launch yeah so the response to that once you're dispatched if if the launch crew wants to dispatch you if they're really worried because they have an override also that they can do something with and I don't know exactly how that works

but they're dispatch you to the site with your F-15 Ford pickup truck and all your goodies you got your diddy bag your weapon your stuff you're ready for to be out there for two weeks if you have to every time you leave you can stay out in that missile field for a very long time uh the missile is counting itself down it's going to launch you take and you go to the site you open up the gates you drive your vehicle right up on top of the blast

door which is at ground level right on top of an octagon shaped nine ton door and sit right on top of that site right on top of that blast door put your vehicle in neutral if you can find a rock big enough chalk both tires just chalk one front one back so it don't roll if there's a little bit of lean to one of the one of the doors or something that's what we were told grab your stuff get off that site and set up a one mile ECP entry control point and wait for further

orders in hopes that if this thing cannot be stopped or over ridden when that when that blast door blows out from underneath that vehicle it's going to fall down on top of that on top of that rocket and all it's in hopes to do is to damage it to offset its guidance control so it'll just go off aimlessly like a scud and crash that's what it that's what they do and get down to 10 or 15 seconds and it stops then everything's normal again crazy and people rolling up

on these sites have sometimes seen those crafts and they blow away and then that happens you know so I would venture to say that there were 800 security policemen at Ellsworth Air Force Base while I was there that's standard configuration that's not an oper operational Readiness inspection or anything like that they were just normally 800 or right there about security policeman law enforcement security anybody that worked in that missile field I would say I would say

one out of every four has probably seen something in the night sky because everybody works rotating shifts whether they report it or tell their partner about it is up to them but i' venture to say it's that frequent that's why and that's just at Ellsworth that doesn't include my not that doesn't include Uh uh Mom malstrom or Fe Warren in Wyoming yep I've been told or asked just recently if I'd appeared before Congress yeah and I and I would I would appeared

before Congress and and I know that's pretty hair raising for a lot of people but when they get all the scientist and all the way with these huge credentials I was just a security policeman at 23 years of age I have a high school education I have some college I've been most mostly technical schools all my life and I really try to read a lot and do a lot of things to educate myself further

it just didn't work out for me being able to to do the things you know going to college and so forth when they're done with all of that and they want a real up close and personal account then they've got to come to me sooner or later and you don't have to put that in that in this but you know that's what somebody from up there told me I said eventually they got to hear somebody that's had up close and personal uh time with these things so being that I was on duty I was a prime

candidate for that as I've been told and I wish I had more witnesses I wish there were people I could just pull up out of nowhere you know that that we there but you know there's just so much time has passed you know we've been through so much with Co and everything else I don't know uh what about what about the guy you said you were buddies with where you ran in and you started signaling what what you thought was a B52 at the time what was his name Bill Hollman Bill Hollman in touch with Bill well I know it's William William something Hollman

we called him Bill uhuh and he was from North Carolina I have searched how many names or the last name of Hollman I don't know and that's the only way I've even but did you even speak to him oneon-one after that being like remember when we signaled the thing I was never uh I never went back to November control they sent me to kilo control they completely separated us I never saw Michael Johnson again until about uh three weeks later so they just separated you and how far is kilo control from November well honestly it's a sister flight but it's where the supervision

hang their hat at nights instead of us being at November control or any the or Oscar flight or any of the other flights where you don't have the supervision of a flight Chief and assistant flight uh you do it kilo so they have a way of monitoring watching every single thing that you do and also the OIC and so you just never saw Bill again uh no maybe at guard mount once or twice hey Bill that kind of thing just passing you ever say hey Bill you know what about that I

wanted to but it never really presented itself and there were a couple other guys there even that Sergeant Garza uh I'd love to have spoken with him again because uh and he was from Texas I remember that we talked about it and uh because I was just that close born in Port Arthur but I was born in Virginia uhhuh and my parents and they moved to uh to Port Arthur my dad could ship in and out of there and you received a hypnotic regression about all this right I did I certainly did um Bob Upton did

my first one and yavon Smith did my second one what came out uh well the the uh the inside of the craft what was that like I I I've got some drawings of it but what I saw or what I experienced in my mind uh was not all Pleasant and these these were the the one that was messing with me was a very

tall one that was doing the you know one thing to me whereas in regression number two I found out that Michael was laying opposite to me and there was one of the short ones or small ones between us both and uh he was facing One Direction I was facing the opposite direction kind of like like that would be and uh what were they doing were they doing taking samples or well the tall

one did something to my wrist and I kept telling him how it hurt me and he and uh he told he said something you that I I I don't remember I'd have to go back and listen to it again I I didn't even listen to my first regression session for a year I was so afraid of what I what I would hear or what I would find out or what I would see in the actual incident itself that when I when I sat down from inside that window I want you to know that the words

you'll say uh what or huh uhhuh there's none of that there's no misinterpretation of someone speaking to you you know exactly what's being said to you was there was there sort of a sense of their intention as positive or negative or was it that assuring assuring I think no matter what you see visually do not fear and that's what we seem to have the hardest problem with is what we're seeing visually if you had kind of a best guess do you think they had positive intentions or

negative or I think they had positive do but they fulfill their mission whatever that mission is whether it's to obtain DNA material or what have you or some kind of a programming or I don't know any whatever they want to do they're going to do outside of like the obvious which is you experienced this kind of crazy paranormal disruption in your life uh did this kind of was this an inflection point or did it change your life in a dramatic way afterwards it did how so I had to find out everything about

archaeology and pyramids and so that was just something that it almost felt like it was installed inside of you were downloaded yes and why still today why do you think you became so interested in that I have no idea do you know that um the air force uh paid for this movie called Stargate have you ever seen this movie Stargate absolutely so you know there's a Stargate in the pyramid it's sort of this portal this like time travel machine do you think that might be related to you know why you're so

and and even just the placement of the pyramid Great Pyramid itself I mean the entire Plateau it's the only place it can support that weight and the entire Plateau was built before the pyramids were placed on top of of it mhm so who had that technology and what was used who who Who mandated that what Pharaoh woke up one morning after his dates and whatever else he ate and said ah let's build that Plateau so it can hold uh how many millions of pounds does this thing weigh I have no idea right now but I

mean 750 ft from Edge to from corner to corner and what 432 feet high is that right uh on 13 acres I mean how how can that be do you think the beings you experienced are aliens or do you think they're humans or what exactly did the alien what exactly did the entities you encountered look like oh they look like Grays they look like the small Grays but the one behind them I guess you would classify him as a tall gray on Whitley

actually I think he or his wife comments on how ugly uh the aliens are and the alien turns back and uh someday soon my dear you'll look like us so it's this implication that actually we're kind of turning into these beings in 10,000 years will we have these smaller appendages our little fingers our little toes how will our bodies be at that particular point in time you know how will our diets change how will light change how will radiation that affects our atmosphere today how will it change in the future how will it change us

completely as we become a space fairing civilization and we will be and you you know whatever whenever that could take place we we will do that uh how will that change us without the gravity that we that we undergo today and and the things in which we live with today you know radio waves 5G everything has an effect on you so you think these beings could be us from the Future No I don't think they are I don't think we're going to be that I don't think we're that lucky so what do you

think they are do you think they're From Another Dimension or they could be I mean the the technology is wide open anything you can imagine probably is what was the craft like so you're you're in the inside of this thing what did it like a beehive beehive yeah how so well there were uh from my looking around as I did in that playground like I always try to take a a mental picture of

with with all these small Grays everywhere where going to and fro and doing whatever they were doing I just got to look for a moment and I was following one and even the floor and the boards around the bottom of the floor uh had energy was everything emanated power in some way uh the walls was there humming Associated not that I can remember and it almost felt like the tall gray was maybe in charge of these

smaller Grays absolutely in that room and thing too PE uh I was not on a table I was uh from my memory I was on some type of a kind of uh beam or something that was body length about 4 foot in the air and uh as like a a a strange light

would not a strange light if I was inserted in something that was some type of a force field or some kind of a a holding field that they could move you around in like a gurnie without wheels a table without a back or or wheels or legs attached to it and I felt as if you know they when they reached in or when he lifted my arm up lifted me up

right here on my wrist you know it exited that that pyramidal field or whatever it was above me and it was in his atmosphere at that time uh in my in hypnosis that's what I saw the other thing was this is most interesting I uh I'm taken to a room when I first get there I'm taken into this room if you can call it a room everything's

generated everything everything's power G there's power on every wall every nook and cranny were no buttons or or or places to insert a tape or anything like that but the whole place is like is powered and there were all these old things like a sewing machine table with a Singer sewing machine on it those old 50s style lamps that went from the floor to the ceiling and had bulbs sticking off of them that TV in a cabinet like an

antique shop for for future yeah like a museum and a and a and this is a a a old wooden box radio and I found that to be so cool because I ended up buying a a US RKO radio in a mahogany cabinet that worked with tubes from a Rancher there in South Dakota that I wish I'd have never had wooden knobs and everything on and worked beautifully and uh that from that from when I saw that I had to have one of

these damn radios I don't know why and this one was much nicer than what I saw but a iron a steam iron standing I I drew pictures of of of it the best of my recollection of everything and then I was told in the in the very back of the room there was a round window but it looked like it looked like it was a was a round window with a slice taken out of it like a pie with with a slice remove from it and I was told I could go look out that window but I was too afraid to walk over there and look out of it for some reason I didn't I don't know why

but I mean but I felt at ease but I still didn't want to know or didn't want to see out that window something really bothered me and about looking out that window and I was told that twice that I could go look out the window and I didn't so then I was told to follow and and to follow and I did I followed a a small gray in front of me legs and uh like a a little gray type uh like spandex suit or something on on

guess I mean these these things are so foreign to you this this this whole visual concept is so foreign to you it's very hard to find words for a lot of it even after 44 years and it's just difficult and I went I followed him went turned left in this small little opening area and went into this room where it was just fogged and then that's where my memory end but that's where the thing was done to my wrist and then I don't know from that point on I

that seemed to be right around the end of it did it feel like a dreamlike state or did it feel physical in this hypnotic regression did it oh no it felt physical felt real the uh the first time I was hypnotized which was uh Robert Upton Bob Upton uh I had I had a pretty bad time because I know I'm not a person ever thinking that I could be hypnotized to start with I'm pretty strong willed and and uh I I feel as if I'm common sensed also and and I just thought oh hypnosis

is for someone else it's just not for me but uh Robert wanted me to try it so I said okay and and uh a funny thing because uh we had been through a hurricane just prior to that down in Brunswick Georgia and I had some roof damage and deck damage on the back of my home and they were re-roofing my house that day now what a day to be hypnotized on by this guy who he J he came up from Jacksonville 67 miles south of me and

uh hypnotic regression person from muon at the time I don't know if he still is but he has my admiration I couldn't do his job and you didn't get any sort of weird sense from him that he had ulterior motives no no now now Robert Hasting had given him a set of questions that he was going to ask me and he told me that and I was fine with that they were re-roofing my home so you can imagine there's like 15 people on my roof and I my my home has got a really steep roof I I couldn't do it I can't

even climb up there anymore but so they're literally peeling off Plywood And replacing plywood nailers and everything else things being tossed run up there I never heard a single a single air gun going off during that hypnosis session that's why I knew I was hypnotized I never heard any of that but he took me down to a level he had a way of doing it that evidently worked but once I did and I confronted what I

uh it really upset me a great deal literally come in face to face and and smelling that smell again hearing those words again I I mean I was that I got that deep into it and I never thought I could uh I don't know if if a person's mind has changed as we had said earlier I don't know if if that's what happens but was it cathartic at all or was it just purely

I mean when when when I visualized and saw what was being done in my wrist and the way in which it was being done it just I mean he could have cut my whole arm off I wouldn't have known the difference I couldn't there's nothing I could do to stop it you know I mean it could have been the end of my life right there and that's how that's how did you and know implants as far as the puncture I have no idea and those are on the other side of my body anyway or those pock marks but um do you still have the marks at all yeah can I see him sure

there right there let's add these socks on BL up see it wow yeah those look I mean just like perfectly vertically aligned well I had a Doctor Who's no longer with this but like so clearly not like a spider like too way too big for that like you know yeah what what would you say like like a couple centimeter maybe a centimeter each Dr Mar go um he he did I had back surgery years ago and he did that and we had talked we had

talked he was a really great guy unfortunately Co took him way too young as it did many many people M and we were sitting in my backyard one night and after he had looked at this and he said you know he said I'm going to be honest with you Mario because I wanted to get something from him recorded you know and uh didn't have that chance to the last time I saw him was probably 2019 and he had some family issues and had to go up North and where he got Co and he died and uh his kids went to school with my kids at Frederica Academy

on St Simon's Island uh in Georgia but he said you know what perplexed him was that there was no known life-saving event that he could think of even including up to a car accident that anything would be put in there or down here to either put in something or take out something he said and they're exactly the same depth and this and the same size you know top to

bottom he said so I find that really odd you know because I told him the whole incident what happened and he just he's like holy crap indicates it technology or Paradigm well above our medical understanding and if you look at this up close under a microscope which has been done from a p or or magnifying scope it has a little dimple right in right in the top of it like a like you drop water and a you know drop a rock in water and it goes that little dimple is right in the middle of both of them yep that is

really that is really strange so I don't know when these happened I honestly don't I don't remember healing from them uh it I didn't say it happened during my incident in 77 I don't know where they came from do you feel like you have a mission associated with this interest in pyramids where it's like you know at the time at which you're you leave this earth you want to accomplish something related to to the question yes I would like to know the

answers I would like to see those tools you know to see those tools and finally the admission that they had tools far greater than what we ever have imagined and I think just like melting Rock in South America and Saka hum and some of the other facilities where these rocks are you know 13 sided and just an inch and a half and stuck in a hole that's

two feet deep all the way through the entire Rock how do you do that without softening that stone do you feel like and the site do you feel like these sites globally I feel like this is what Graham Hancock and Randle Carlson I love that guy man Robert shock all these guys are kind of uh getting into this idea that maybe a lot of this ancient geological you know architecture megalithic architecture that's precociously astronomically aligned in a way that we don't even understand today and it lines up with you know Ice Age or pre- I AG certain uh you know kind of

vernal equinox absolutely and so do you think that a lot of this architecture was these were maybe kind of celestial Ascent chambers that were Stargates to another world sure and maybe things were getting kind of gnarly or cataclysmic and they were portals to elsewhere elsewhere totally believe that have you ever seen the Netflix show dark by any chance I've seen some of it I believe so it involves uh missing people around nuclear bases and a secret time travel program oh I got to see that then yeah

you should check it out because um I wish they'd call me I'd like to know you know you know Lawrence Lawrence Bell is so Bell aircraft so they broke the sound barrier in 1947 yeah X15 X15 Chuck Jagger exactly and so there's an article in 1956 where they're saying we're going to beat gravity and it's right around the bend and Lawrence Bell's quote from this article is uh we are already working with nucle nuclear fuels to cancel out gravity and so you got to think if if time travel is possible at

any point in the future it's probably always been possible right and so where would we discover some sort of time travel program it would probably be collocated with nuclear programs absolutely so and then how would you affect timelines you might do it with you know particular people who represent kind of nodes or whatever who get interested in things like pyramids after you know their encounters and so do you think that you know that's a possible explanation that maybe a future time travel program represents an overlay

over all of these nuclear sites in a way that somehow you know might profoundly shift humanity and might also Keep Us Alive because if you think about where is the center of the Apocalypse it's these nuclear sites I mean where what what's G to you know dictate the end of the world or not you know it's going to be these sites so I I have no idea these are it's crazy speculation but so gravity is is very related with time and general relativity so you know Lawrence Bell is right and they're kind of using nuclear fuels to cancel out gravity

maybe you're using nuclear fuels to mess with time too it it just makes you wonder how much technology that has been buried somehow or another has been removed from our everyday conscious thought you know and why was that removed do we get so dangerous to ourselves I mean unfortunately I wish we weren't so warlike yeah because you don't believe something that that I believe in we're supposed to go to war over that I just I just I just dislike that so much you

know and religion you know I don't want to get into that but uh it what you believe is fine with me yeah what you believe is fine with me what I believe is is fine with me yeah and why can't it just be that do you think that yeah go sorry no no no I I I do think that this technology that we're speaking of even though we don't know it truly exists it points to its existence in some way and one day I think we will find the magic

key somewhere there's a craft if it hasn't already been discovered that's sitting in a cave somewhere or under the ocean somewhere under a ledge somewhere or maybe even circling the planet invisible that we can't see we're going to run into one day I don't know well maybe it'll happen sooner than lat maybe it'll happen sooner or later and I I just hope I honestly do and I get asked this all a time well you think they're going to come and defeat us and take us over and my answer

is always the same look if any civilization that's out there comes here within their own Lifetime and leaves and goes back in their same lifetime that's 10,000 light years advance to us that's what Carl Sean said that MH um Bar None that's just 10,000 light years Advan to us so think about that we're like the ants in an ant bed and they're standing in there looking at us you know I often think about the reverse visualization that night when I was flipping the facility lights at that at that craft whatever it was at the time to me what

would I have thought in my mind had I been up there looking down at this rectangular shaped site somebody's turning off and on the lights real quick in succession why would I flash back or wait a minute how how does that person down there see us up here why would they know that we're not supposed to be here or we're just up here observing how would they know that do we find out who this guy is or or person is I should say or what I don't know I've done that reverse thing a couple of times to try

to give answers to myself which always end up you know with a zero I'm right back where I started but I do want to say that where new Lake Reservoir dam November 1 to November 5 over to new Lake Reservoir and back to November 1 control I believe based on that position of new Reservoir Dam that's where that craft was it was over that body of water when I saw it why I don't know but

there's there's always some type of a there's a lot of sightings over water yes and the deepest part of that Reservoir I think is only like 40 ft I could be wrong it's under reconstruction right now because I've been talking about it a lot for the last couple years I don't know if that's done anything but um the people in New are really good I I while we were there uh doing that filming there were uh a couple of individuals we're out on Orman Road that's the road that November 5 is on it's a dirt road still today and there's

a golf course off to the left side of it when you when you turn out a new on the Orman Road and that day you know the town's so small that when we arrived there early in the morning to film all these people started seeing us so they you know news travels fast through there and they're great people I've always I've always had a lot of respect for those folks and uh Great Cooks too Great Western Plains Cooks man they could cook some good food but uh you would not believe the parade we had going up and

down Orman Road watching this film and it was the strangest thing because I had not been back to November 5 since that night and the producer did not want to go directly in front of November 5 site itself because uh there's now like a small cattle processing facility on it built on it because it's built on the Bedrock and when they detonated and collapsed the silos in and and returned it they left the fencing and The Rock base there so these ranchers used to store hay on or do something on their

cattle the fencing is all still there we could have used another site but instead they went about 150 yards uh to the east of the site and we were looking into a field you know while I'm holding up my drawings and the drones over my shoulder taking pictures of them I just felt that not very good and uh but when I got out of that vehicle and walked toward that site man that feeling came over me I about went to my knees and uh in

hypnosis when uh Robert Upson finished that hypnosis something was wrong with me and about 4 days later I I went to uh my uh pulmonologist uh and I was in apib and uh so I had to go in the next day because my heart was out of rhythm never had any heart problems whatsoever ever in my life I've always been an athlete and of course they put the the patches on and shot me and SN resynced me I

guess and uh about a week went by and I started thinking about this thing over and over again boom I went right back into apib so I had to go back and do it again and uh then they put me on medication so I have to take medication you know anytime you go on apib I guess they it put you on a blood thinner do you regret having done the hypnotic regression no because it really gave me some insight yeah you know and then it made it a lot easier when I when I uh did the session just last year or year before last with uh

yavon Smith in California do you ever experience weird electromagnetic effects with your body or like what sort of stuff like a light going off or something when I walk in a room a fluorescent light fluorescent light yeah I've got a little a little light fixture it's named Honda phone's dying quickly anything like that no I have had some other strange things go on though uh Robert Hon's I talked about that with emails Vanishing everywhere MH you know off the cloud and everywhere else just wiped clean I've had that

uh as his he but um yeah I've had serval incidents where that has really bothered me then the night of uh December 17 2017 uh my son was in his room he was he was home from from working uh he was work he was in living in Florida came home to visit uh and it was right at 4:11 a.m. and there that's also another thing about waking up at certain times of the night one 11 333

411 uh it's just it's just strange how that how that happens but uh I pay attention to it and uh I have a room in the back of the house because I I worked 12 hour shifts so it rotated so sometimes I'd have to you know sleep during the day you know till 3:00 p.m. get up to go in for 600 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. shift you know it was rotating so I had to have it darkened out so you could sleep you just I just can't sleep in sunlight I don't know anybody that can but uh anyway I

was I was there sleeping I had to get up for work and all of a sudden I opened my eyes and I had this I'm standing at the foot of my bed I have I have never been a person to sleepwalk ever in my life that I know I ever and I'm standing at the foot of my bed holding on to my bed frame with my right hand and directly in front of me there's about a 4 and 1 half or 5T hole diameter in a north wall of my bedroom and on that in that Circle that vanished

immediately like Sparks flew off either side of it I was like what the heck anyway soon as that soon as that flashed out or went away all the lights in my house started flickering just all over the house and then these strange alarms started I started hearing them and my son popped through my door and he goes dad what the hell is going he goes what's going on I said I don't know son he goes what's those alarms and I said I

don't know I grabbed my pistol I didn't know why I was going to clear my house you know and uh which I did I couldn't explained what I just saw and hadn't even verbally said anything about it yet and it was just right in front of me uh and mind you there two dressers that were partially that had a that were partially gone or in that dark circle that I saw and so I cleared my house and and I go into the kitchen area and the all the

lights were just like just barely on like they're just like the candle light all throughout the house and the stove the oven the microwave and the refrigerator they have low voltage alarms on them which I never knew that's what the alarms were they were all going off so everything seemed to be normal other than the fact back to the lights were on I tried flipping on lights and they wouldn't come on they just come on barely and just flicker for a minute I just turned it back off you know but the St but the light over the

stove it was doing that every light every electrical component in my home was affected everything doorbell system everything so I went back talked to my son I said Jake I said what the heck was that man he goes I don't know Dad it's weird he goes it's really weird you can call them and talk to them about it so I said' well I'll call George power in the morning when I get up you know so I I just put everything down I laid back down and just thinking you know uh what was that and about 8 o'clock my son pops

through my door and he go he knocks first he says Hey Dad he goes George power's here and I said what he said yeah Georgia power is in the front yard and I live on an acre so to my to the street from my front porch is about 200 ft and uh so I got dressed and I hobbled out there and these guys out there working on the where the power distribution comes in to my home and it's all underground my home was built '97 and uh so I found the supervisor I

said I said hey I said how you doing sir I said I told him my name he goes this your house and I said yes sir he just looked at me and uh I said wow is the I said what happened he goes um he just looked at me and he said uh well you lost you lost power lost the leg of power I said dang does that up does that mess up the whole neighborhood he goes he looked at me he says no he say it's just your house I said what do you mean he goes well you lit up our board downtown like the Fourth of July

here and I said well how did I do that we were all asleep he said I don't know he said but we're going to have to replace this leg so you have power in your home he said come on I'll show you something they had already taken this big Dolly and they had like Transformer I've got pictures of it call Robert Hastings first thing they take this Transformer thing on on a dolly take it to the back where my meter is and they jump her into that meter box so to establish power or a uh what do you call

it to um uh refine the the power going in my home instead of instead of just two legs it gives it a third leg somehow it converts it and I don't know how that works but I got pictures of and he said you'll be fine till we can come out and replace that wire and uh it took them about two days three days and they were back and they did it but uh I just kept questioning what I had seen and what had happened and why that happened and ours was the only house affected couple of weeks

later one of our neighbors kids come by that my son used to play with he stopped his truck he's got an F-150 he says hey Mr Woodson he's been in my backyard these kids have had parties they all shot bows and arrows together BB guns name it you know we do all that stuff ride motorcycles he goes hey Mr Woods he said um I was cutting my grass and he waved at me and I stopped and I stopped and he stopped and he goes hey what was going on there uh last week or so when all those lights were in your backyard and I said what are you talking about he

just he did hesitated for a second he goes he goes your backyard was lit up like a Hollywood set or something he said like those great big lights they stay up in the air he says that whole backyard was lit up I said what do you mean man he said yeah it was 4:00 in the morning he was leaving for work that's how he saw that and I said well you know I've only got two spotlights right there in the corner of that room outside and I said uh and on the corner of the back and the lights over the on the rear patio you know he goes I don't know but

it was lit up like you wouldn't believe and I just I just kept it to myself I said man what did happen really so what would they what interest could they possibly they would have in you know in a 65 year old man or whatever age I was at that time what what could they possibly want I mean what do you think I have no idea I honestly don't have a clue what do you think what do you hope the world gets from your

testimony understanding perhaps or possibility of perhaps not to fear as much and uh not to think that they're here to defeat us because if they were we wouldn't be having this conversation now they had done it long ago anyhow do you think they're hybridizing themselves with us could very well be depends upon their maybe their situation on their own

Planet maybe they're overcrowded orh or there something's dying there or progression through space you know you can't always get back to the starting point you know maybe they have to occupy worlds along the way in their great expansion well it sounds like even on Ellsworth that it was kind of an Open Secret that you know a lot of people had had some interesting experiences even before you Mario do you think you know I was talking with Robert Hastings and you know he was noting that he had 167 icpm

security Personnel radar operators guys on on basis like yourself who've experienced crafts and then I remember I asked him I was like you know Robert uh what percentage of these people have had Close Encounters of the Third Kind where they've actually met beings and he said something like seven or eight but then he said I didn't ask anybody those were the people that volunteered and I think about the culture of secrecy and humility uh when it comes to working at you know nuclear bases if you have seven or eight people who you're just incidentally finding out are having you

know Close Encounters of the Third Kind and actually seeing beings it's probably over a 100 it's Pro of the 170 it's probably you know a massive uh you know uh never alone always with a partner you are never alone in any nuclear facility it's a Twan rule has to be two of you at all times are there other cases like yours that you've found out about where the partner sort of seems to disappear or go missing Terry love lace and his partner Toby Terry's still around right

oh yeah yeah he's a great guy but Toby's gone Toby's gone he he uh Terry told me that he he literally he never fully recovered after their incident now he was not on duty they were simply on a camping trip and is Toby like in some facility mental health facil or is he just like no no trace of him Terry can't even find him or no he he was available and uh of course the VA uh they were giving him you know whatever pills or whatever to help his anxiety and uh from

my understanding he had a a really bad drinking problem from that period of time and uh some people I guess that's the way it affects and it it's really quite sad uh and he was a real light-skinned black guy also and we talk about that correlation between us and our partners and it happened the same year also in that movie Close Encounters of Third Kind came out I I went to see it in Rapid City at the theater you know know on Main Street still there

today or the building is I'm not sure if the theater is or not but I think it is and uh that part where uh Roy ner is crossing the railroad tracks and and he's looking at the map got the flashl in his mouth and that light pops on if you'll notice during that period of time his body was it was as if he was um whatever he was hearing or feeling was talking to him are programming him on the inside he's he literally he's

doing some kind of a weird uh uh I should say receiving of whatever is is giving him and you can see it you he portrays it very well and it really made me think a lot because when I saw that movie it was as if what's going on in the missile field right now not just to me but to these crap are out there there's cattle mutilations going on Linda molon house in the area I tried contact ing her like 20 might have been before that but she

got my email in or 2014 I had sent something to her and uh she worked at a station in Denver Colorado was you know like I don't know if she was in what kind of news she did but she was investigating Catal ulations all throughout the Northwest where we were and uh of course we were told not to speak to any media people whatsoever but the point is that um when he underwent what he did under that light before that craft let him go

it seemed to put something in his mind which really struck me before it stopped you know and moved I had to literally get up out of my seat and I ran out and sat on the curb on Main Street in Rapid City because I I I what I just saw felt as if it was a direct replay of what I just went through only a little bit different where you know the craft was above him and these little guys came up to the side of our vehicle just that just like that and it

it's really hard to deal with you know often it feels like um the ear bones are messed with the the bones dealing with balance and orientation and then this is a interesting kind of connection around them checking your teeth uh my buddy made a documentary on this guy Andre puharich and puharich uh helped start the MK Ultra program so it's like CIA bring slavian guy wasn't he is he I think he was I read something about a guy with that name I'm pretty sure I did yeah he's either he's like yeah Eastern

European or Russian yeah maybe maybe Yugoslavian and um yeah he was at Northwestern and he had you know the round table Institute in main where they were sort of summoning stuff and then he was also he had this actually School of space children in Upstate New York where he was you know studying all sorts of tele telepathy and download channeling actually the book Star Trek came he had this one uh Channeler named phis Phyllis schaer and uh she wrote a book called the only planet of choice that was

channeled and she was in communication with the nine quote unquote which is this Council of you know possible ET beings they were talking about the Earth as a bottleneck of Consciousness we have to get past this bottleneck in order to ascend whatever fascinating stuff but um interestingly puharich found this guy who was sort of SK frenic and he was hearing voices in his head but it almost sounded like the voices he was hearing were similar to like what somebody would describe in an alien telepathy experience where he were they were

getting he was getting kind of immediate downloads and wow puhar was studying him and they realized he was a construction worker and he was working with uh you know sawing metals or whatever and so they found these fine uh you know Metals in his teeth and that somehow in puar's belief was that um extremely low frequency yeah radio waves were actually responsible for thought in a way that's upstream or connected with the acoustical waves that you know represent

our normal cognition wow and so maybe they were checking your teeth either because they were worried that you were already receiving downloads or like in touch prior to this experience or because they thought the implant where they would communicate with you on a go forward basis might be there wow I've never even thought of it that way I some people said they were looking at you maybe for R uh Radioactive contamination or something like that I you might be right I mean this is my

that really does make sense man I mean you got to look at it all you can't you can't discount anything yeah because you're dealing with a technology that that don't sit on couches you know that that can speak full volumes through your cellular work in your body yeah they don't need to communicate I mean they have no that's something that's their brain is so far past that yeah they don't have to speak words to You and their language is is probably where we say and um um and like

there's none of that in that yeah they have in those conversation it's direct Rude access and you never ever will forget that feeling and that sound ever yeah it's almost like we have this meme library that was like is installed or something you look at like demon like maybe that's actually more true than not where uh the cartisian 3D time bound plane is sort of controlled uh at least as far as the veneer that we see right and uh the Sha the shades of that we're

seeing Shadow play of something higher and uh that something higher might communicate be able to communicate on a much more direct level and also be able to um shade or uh you know in Plato you have like you know it's like don't trust your senses right you have to contemplate virtue and you can Ascend out of the lower world or whatever there's much more and uh the only one I read any of that yeah and um and you forget your primordial self and maybe in experiences

like this you sort of you know you get back in touch with it but maybe maybe some of these beings are yeah you know I was at help put off's house not too long ago and on his bookshelf he had this book called demonic reality MH and it was like you know like I don't I got to read the book but it's feels like the implication is like our low-level reality is kind of controlled by some sort of you know Gnostic Traditions you might call it like a demi urge sure where um we're not seeing you know Ultimate Reality I I think in in Lou's book I found the part

where he talks about some of his superiors where they had this uh Direction thinking these things were yeah called Elite yeah yes you know versus where Lou was in his thinking which I agree with 100% I've been told that several times well you know these are just demons these are just Angels and Demons you know all right well what's your definition yeah definition of an angel that that's what yeah

exactly in my book I mean I would just look at somebody that says that you know I'm not saying it doesn't exist you know I I I'm I'm serious and I I've seen something in my time too after our mother passed away and that really U an apparition I'll just say and it was my mother's Apparition and my brothers both saw it and uh I and that established me you know that night I said and we all talked about it our mama was standing in

that kitchen in a lightning storm her figure was there not her face but her figure was there and at 2:00 in the morning on a thunderstorm night in Tampa Florida couple days after she died and that's the truth but I I I totally agree with what you what you just saying there because I think that uh I always associate it to when you're in your mother's womb and your and your dad or your mom or your one of your aunts bend down or your brother future brother or

sister leans down and starts talking to you and you're in your mother's womb you know baby hears that that to me uh directly related to what I kept hearing do not fear that I recognized it and uh the accent on that voice sounded as if uh something off of uh what was that um Hogwarts or what or what what do you call it

um yeah Harry Potter when that snake is talking to him like that that's the way those words that's the way those words rolled D you like I can't even do it do not fear do not fear and elongated out not just those words how short I was do not fear and I still can't do it right but it it it gets to every part of you and in description it gets to every part you just feel it radiate through you and

before joining Ellsworth Air Force Base what was what was kind of your motivation why'd you get into this uh honestly uh I should have probably gone in the Navy m uh my father was a merchant Seaman and he sailed with Texico sailed all of his life seen Usos uh he was in an car accident in 73 and lost his life and I just turned 17 years old uh when that happened so it literally changed the entire configuration of my family and my

thoughts prior to I wanted to go to the uh Maritime Institute I think it was in some part of Connecticut I could be mistaken uh and I wanted to become a Captain I didn't want to be a chief engineer CU I saw how dirty my dad would get or I'd go down to an engine room of a ship that he was on at Port and see him climbing up out out of a cylinder of a of an engine so you know the size of these things are massive and uh I always respected that a great deal but for me uh growing up in South Florida and and Long Beach and other places I uh always

had this aspiration for things that flew so whenever the cape was launching and that kind of thing I always went outside either to see him or go with a bunch of friends go to Cape canaval to you know to watch a rocket launch and originally I didn't want to go I wouldn't even think about Security Police uh but uh I'm colorblind and after I passed all the tests to work on Rocket engines because I thought NASA is my goal right I uh was in the hallway at the aphy station in Jacksonville just a young guy long hair down here and

uh this little staff sergeant she came running up to me she goes uh Mr wood she goes we got to we got to talk to you for a minute and I said what is it you know I was ready to go I was going to go back home to Tampa uh and she told me she goes uh I need you to talk to somebody and I said okay so I went back with her in this office and there was this gentleman standing there and I think he was like a tech sergeant E6 E7 somewhere around there and he goes uh Mr woodsy goes I need you to look at some things and he opens up this sample book like

you would go pick out carpet you know with all these different colors of carpet but it was wiring and he said show me the the uh purple and yellow uh TW intertwined wire and I just looked you know and really I couldn't do it and uh he let me do that two or three times and he goes that's why you can't wire a rocket engine so it made perfect sense to me so of course I did score good on my asbab test so she asked me if I'd be interested in some other things and I said sure let's have a look so they had

videot tapes back there been and uh I looked at a couple of them and then I saw these guys repelling out of a helicopter you know fully clothed fully armed you know and came out on Fast ropes and I said and they had beray on their head and I said that's what I want to do so that's I ended up in Security Police wow and loved it so you wanted to be a rocket scientist well I wanted to do engines rocket engines yes I have that's a tough job I used to always launch rockets growing up as a kid you know did yeah they were 98 cents for you know Little Rocket engines you

know fuselages were all made out of like uh paper towel rolls or something what do you think sparked your early interest in rockets and space uh I'm sure that what I saw in 1961 at dequen elementary school in Port Arthur Texas had something to do with it uh what did you see in 1961 uh my my mother uh was taking me to my first grade uh school which was De Queen and uh we were about the fifth or the

seventh car back in line and I'm on the passenger side in the in the front seat no seat belt we didn't do that back then my sister was in the back seat of course my mother's driving and she stopped short of the car in front of her and she says look Anthony look at those flying saucers when's the last time your mother ever said something like that to you I mean I'm just 6 years old 5 and a half 6 years old and I I I just couldn't even fathom what she said and and they were right over a church just maybe 25 to 50

ft in the air there were three of them they were beautiful prettiest craft ever ever seen in my life I can picture them in my mind right now my sister and I talk about it all the time and uh the thing that struck me was they were there long enough to where I kind of did a really strange scan looking around at people always kind of anything worth memorizes memorizing is worth looking around for a moment to take a quick mental picture of it if that explains that but we had a playground directly across from the school that the road was blocked off and all the kids everybody

met out there before class time every eye and arm and hand and pointer finger was pointing in the air and then looking back to the left at the side of the school we didn't have AC back then so the windows were always open there were people it was like a four maybe five story building at the time it's been since rebuilt uh um but anyway all these people were pointing out the windows and the grades went from kindergarten to 12th grade there so everybody in

including teachers were looking outside and the strangest part about it it was over the directly over this church that sat right on the corner of De Queen Boulevard and the schools here and the church was there so they were just right here and we were right there next to it and my mom she opens her door and steps out and my sister I remember her saying Mom I'm scared she says it'll be okay honey they're not here to hurt you that's what she said and I grabbed her by the other hand we were hanging there watching them you know and probably

the word and when they left it was all at one time straight up if there would have been clouds they'd have punched holes through those clouds and they were just gone it just literally just went from that big round to this big around and out of your sight and the strangest part about that the and everybody on that playground in the school in school nobody said a word about it everybody went right back to what they were doing and never mentioned it all day long have you talked to any

of the witnesses since and said no other than my sister my mother's since passed long ago but uh uh P arthor Texas was a long time a long time ago but uh I've never forgotten that so it's really really something that's remarkable did you feel changed after that at all or in some way my sister and I talked about it I just think the visualization of it and what it could possibly mean to a six-year-old yeah definitely has in you know changing effects on what you've

known forever you know not questioning God because I believe in God and uh and and and my savior but I I it just changes you it it uh opens your eyes or your mind into what is or could be and and that might have gotten you interested in space and rocket that sort of thing yeah interesting I don't think they I don't think they come without a reason I if I can just say that I think I think they have great effects and there seems to be this thing with

the number three what it could mean I don't know I know I know Tesla had a real strange thing concerning the number three and I've read a lot about him um well it's yeah it's a sort of Jesus died at 33 Alexander the great died at 33 see in Freemasonry you have 33 levels why do you think why do you think that happened it's it's such a it's such a like like a life-changing event that seems pretty Biz pretty bizarre that people won't especially in ' 61 when you you haven't seen that many things in the sky no ever

other than aircraft with propellers there were no Jets you know at the time I flew on a bunch of them so even at a young age but yeah that's very true I I I I Al I always wonder if just being in the proximity of these things if they're if they're pulsing or emanating some type of a some type of a uh not energy but a wave or a something that might be inducing to

humankind uh maybe in the thought of them or or or some some kind of idea uh you I don't ever very few people that I've spoken with or call me have ever run from a craft or if they've seen one up close and personal but it just amazes me that it just seems to be the normal thing when a person does see it and then they later recollect and oh it's something

different now you know how come your mom was so nonchalant about it like that feels so shocking especially when you have your two two young kids with you uh she had seen things before she said and uh and she literally didn't elaborate on any of it but she said she had seen things before in Rocky Mount North Carolina growing up as a as a kid and of course my father was from banaka Honduras and he's seen so many things I can't even in the in the jungles and in the ocean and he used to always tell me

of of you know an entire crew of 29 or 30 men seeing something exit from the water and come up into the atmosphere and bolt off you know and I just just let it go I never really thought too much about it at all and uh I don't know if you've ever heard of the Marine sua Queen was a ship to sank in 63 well she uh she left port in Port Arthur Texas that was the first sh I ever went on as a child at 5 years old my father served on that vessel only had two cousins on board and um he got a job with Texico at

that particular time and so I went with him he was getting his things and going up that gang way I I lost you know they didn't net the gang ways back then and I lost one of my shoes and I was so fearful of I had my dad by the hand probably broke his fingers but uh I was so fearful of falling through the steps and into the water you know cuz it was at night time and then she sailed and she was gone just a couple days later and they never found anything but one name plate on her said Marine SF on Miami Beach and uh don't know what ever

happened to that vessel and all hands were lost so two of his cousins went down on that ship and wrote my book I've been Amazed by the number of people who' told me that the phenomenon of citing these objects and having these weird experiences that I suppose you could call them paranormal it runs in the family yeah Mom had it Dad had it Granddad had it yeah it's quite common isn't it yeah I mean and so I would I wouldn't turn it into a a

movie script of some sort of magical ability it's just if it's a feature of intelligence uh then uh no surprise that it gets passed down family to family Mario you have an amazing story man I'm super grateful for you uh and and I try to to bring every single part of it out every single time and I just want to be as factual as I know how to be whether it be the incident itself hypnosis what I saw what I drew what I

feel and I don't try to embellish any part of this any part whatsoever I never will do that I just need Michael Johnson yeah need Michael Johnson yeah anybody out there we got to we got and I've every single and there's quite a few now podcasts and every single Network I've ever been on I've always asked if anyone knows Michael Johnson I don't know as middle initial he told me he was from Chicago Illinois I I went on I've been on all you know on every social media that I could and also twws which is

together or together we serve military stuff trying to find people from that time and a couple that I have found that I that I've known um I can't get an answer out of them yeah and I can see their picture and their Rank and how how long they stayed in the service it gives you those dates but I can't find I can't make communication or contact with them have you made any money off of you know your telling your your account of what had happened no I don't have a book I would like to try to do an audio book uh

and someone uh close to me suggested that yeah I've never done that have you faced any push back from the colleagues or the press or people are mostly people just grateful that you've told your account uh you know I've had a couple of people say something before like you know this guy's smoking something I wish I was I wish that's all it would have been but either as Robert Hastings once said he goes Mario either you were in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the right time but you were there no matter what yeah and I he

coined it for me and I have greatest respect for that man ever yeah well it's super clear just speaking to you how matter of fact you are and how uh yeah just descriptive the account is I mean I I I feel like I have decent pattern matching when it comes to people bullshitting me for a job I you know invest in companies and stuff and so it's like kind of the ultimate like the only thing you know you can't be an expert in everything and you kind of just have to be sessing out people sure and so uh you passed my test and I'm sure you did to the entire audience out

you Mario really appreciate it man this was amazing and yeah thanks for your time and and for your service and uh for for going public Ambassador I've heard that word before Ambassador ET Ambassador I've heard that before I don't know if that's true