“I Saw a Mantis Alien In a Government Facility!” -Lyn Buchanan | EARLY RELEASE

goat's heart. So, you must have had a very high clearance. >> Oh, yeah. I had one of the highest clearances not only for the remote viewing but for other stuff that will never be talked about. >> You remote viewed alien bases. >> The four major alien bases on the Earth. One in Mount Hayes, Alaska. Mount Zeal in Australia. >> Secret mountain near Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona, Arizona. Mount Inyangani is another alien base. Have you ever seen

humans and aliens [music] working side by side in a non-remote viewing >> Yeah. One of the What do they call the >> It was sitting in a row of humans that were at the positions working [music] some equipment. >> Wow. You've seen a UFO inside a hangar. >> That's where I came across this control panel and that's when I said, "Hey, that's the side of a UFO." >> So, how do you fly a UFO? [music] >> An impression of a hand on it where you

put your finger over the hole controls the ship. The alien was there. He took me up front. He was the pilot. So, I tried it and I learned how to do it. >> People like you with high psi powers, elite-level skilled. >> You can do a lot. >> We can change the weather anywhere [music] in the world. >> This takes mutually assured destruction to a whole new level. >> The Russians look across the battlefield and kill their enemies by stopping their Our government was afraid of us.

With the remote viewing, there's no more >> My biggest strength actually is accessing people mentally. Can you access me mentally right now? >> How is this possible? >> Nothing too unusual about that. >> Alien existence can no longer be denied.

honor and I don't know if you know this, but this is a full circle moment for me because right when I started my show, I called Jeffrey Mishlove cuz I was a huge fan of his show New Thinking Allowed and I need to still have him on as a guest, but he recommended I interview you and I almost did this road trip across New Mexico and so you would have been the first American Alchemist guest. >> Well, hey. That's that's an honor for me. Well, it's an honor for me to be here today. >> Thank you. >> It's an honor for me to have you. I

without spoiling too much for the you have experienced so much >> Oh, yeah. >> both in the world of remote viewing and you know, you were stationed at Fort Meade and you are the inspiration for The Men Who Stare at Goats, this you know, incredible George Clooney movie about a psychic spy stopping a goat's heart and we can talk about whether how real that is. Um but you also have all these kind of intersections with you know, you remote viewed alien bases, you've seen a UFO inside a hangar, not just in some sort

of liminal consciousness remote viewing >> And so, uh I don't know. There's so many thing You have You've had uh You've remote viewed political figures, religious Um There's a lot to to to get into here. So, I'm very excited to have you. >> I have lived in interesting times. >> You have and and you are uh subtly referring to the, you know, Confucian proverb, "It's better to live in interesting times." Which is actually kind of a Confucian curse. So, it's

>> We live in interesting but bad times. >> It's true. >> Uh well, before I have you remote view uh hantavirus and, you know, whatever's [laughter] going to whatever's going to come down the pipe, um I want to start with your kind of origin story as far as how you got into the remote viewing program. >> Most people look at all of the people who were remote viewers in the remote viewing unit and never ask what they did We all had serious military histories

before that. I was in Augsburg, Germany. Ever since I was about 12 years old, I had this PK like a poltergeist kid. Do you know what that is? >> Uh poltergeist kid is one of those kids where when they get emotionally upset, things fall off shelves and things like >> So, you were like Matilda? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's actually more common than people realize. But, people grow out of

it. And uh my mother encouraged it. And so, I sort of grew into it. >> You fried a computer? >> Yeah. Um in Augsburg, they had 12 different countries in that one facility. and they all had their own computers, their own computer systems and all that that didn't talk to each other. I can program computers. So,

they put out this thing where they wanted somebody to program to write a program that would tie all 12 computers together and [snorts] get them talking to each This one of the sergeant, uh wanted the job. Um I wanted the job and I got it. So, about 9 months later, I had the program written and uh came the time to demonstrate it. And all the generals from 12 different

countries got together and all and uh I went to the bathroom to make sure my hair was in place and no wrinkles in my uniform and all that and I came back did my little song and dance for the generals and then hit the enter key to start the program and the computer went dead and I mean I had tested this thing over and over and And they all started laughing at me.

Uh I turned around and the other sergeant was at the back door of the he said "Got you." and turned around and walked He wanted that job. And he was just waiting. I got flaming angry. When I did, the entire field station went down. Uh [snorts] there was an estimate sometime later that um it was about 50 million dollars worth of

computers that just went bad. Fried. And uh >> so for the next period of time that's still classified, we were Everybody at the field station going to work, taking their crossword puzzle books, all this, you know, making it look like to the Russian spy in the sky like business as Come to find out later, the Russians were doing the same thing over in East

because they had fried their computers, And um So, anyway, and this is documented, by the way. So, anyway, um General Stebbins, the head of the Intelligence and Security Command, >> had been looking for something like He got wind of it, and um he came uh to the field station to install a new And uh

he came, they came to my desk, and they "The general wants to see you." And I "Crap, what have I done now?" You know. And uh he installed a new commander. He and the new commander came back to the office, and I was standing there waiting, and he looked at my name tag, and he said, "You're Sergeant Buchanan?" I said, "Yes, sir." He said, "Follow He grabbed me by the arm and shoved me ahead of him.

Now, you walk behind the general. He shoved me ahead of him. We went into the new commander's office. He turned to the new commander and said, "I need to talk to Sergeant Buchanan. Get out." You can guess what list I went to the head of. And I was there for another 2 months at the top of that list. >> What list? >> Uh the list.

got transferred to Fort Meade. And, um, General Stubblebine wanted to put me as the beginning of a unit that would destroy enemy computers. And with the end goal of controlling the enemy computers so that we can make their missiles turn around and go back or drop into the sea or something like that. Or put false information into the enemy computers.

Congress said, uh, "No, that's mind control." And wouldn't fund it. had that remote viewing unit. He took me out there and put me into that. And when they read me on, which is where they give you a sheet of paper that tells you what the unit really does, not what they tell the public it does. And, uh, you read that and down at the

I took to it like a duck to water. I mean, it's the greatest thing I'd ever >> So, Stubblebine, who's head of in Army INSCOM, is that right? >> Intelligence and Security Command, yeah. >> Intelligence and Security Command, and he's looking for people like you with high psi powers. >> Yes, he had had been for for years, yeah. Uh-huh. >> So, he's like if we're in Stranger Things, you're like 11 and he's like Matthew Modine's character coming in. >> I guess, yeah. >> Saying this guy has some real real

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, because uh I found out years later um I was at the Bureau of Indian Affairs in the cafeteria and I was sitting there and this came up from Australia, yeah. And asked if he could sit down and I said, "Sure, you know." And so he sat at the table with me and uh talking to me and said my name. And I said,

"How do you know my name?" He said, "Oh, your picture is on the wall of one of our computer people." He said, "You know you're the one that knocked out our computers over in Australia." Yeah. So, uh I was flaming mad that day. >> And very >> That's wild. Yeah, it's interesting cuz uh Stubblemine works with a guy named

John Alexander. Has a long history with him. Yeah, John. And Alexander always pops up where the paranormal is, too, you know, when uh John Hutchison is getting his effect, you know, like you know, levitating objects in California. >> Alexander's tasked with looking into it. >> Quite a host of a Pandora's box of different types of effects on the outer edge of of the scientific community. >> In this remarkable series of video clips shot by Hutchison, we see what happens when he fine-tunes the electromagnetic

frequencies aimed at target objects in his garage. >> It's almost like there's this uh pal paranormal investigations unit within the military. >> Oh, there has been for a long time. Yeah, and it's been all subterfuge and, you know, hush-hush and all that, but that's been going on for a long time, you know. >> How long has that been going on for? >> I would say since World War II. when um I was in Russian school

in California. Um Monterey, California. I did become a Russian linguist. Um which was my method of service, MOS. Uh I was officially a Russian um intercept operator uh and with a caveat of technology. That was my military MOS. And um one of the teachers

came in one day said that she had been >> in the warfare program. And she brought me uh some reading material in Russian Igor Pinkovsky who tried to defect from from Russia. And it said that um

Adolf Hitler had had a unit called Dr. Greenbaum in Germany. And um that it um did medical experiments on the Jews and all this, but one part of it was also um psychic spying. When the Germans lost the war, the French, English, and the Americans didn't want any of this psychic stuff,

you know, so the Russians took it. And they had developed it. Well, by the like crazy. And they couldn't find any ground agents, they couldn't find And that's when Igor um Penkovsky tried to defect and brought the documentation that said the Russians had been doing that. Everybody had a laugh about that,

can even affect a laser light beam. And, you know, with the double double slit double slit experiment and all that. So, they gave them the uh an initial contract. They contacted Ingo Swann. Ingo Swann developed the methodology called controlled remote They started a remote viewing unit. And that unit had been in existence 10 years before I got there.

>> And so you primarily worked at Fort Meade, is that right? >> Yeah. Mhm. >> And you're going into work, and you just have your fellow psychic spies at work, and it what is it like you sit at a cubicle, you're given targets? >> That's it. >> And you got to go. >> But the targets are sometimes world >> Oh, usually world leaders, um, their plans and intentions for the day, um, for the next day of battle. Saddam Hussein, um,

>> We knew what he was going to do every day. And in fact, you know, for the longest time they were looking for Saddam Hussein. >> We knew exactly where he was. We turned him in every day. They knew who he was. >> Did you ever personally remote view Saddam Hussein? >> Almost every day. >> What was he like? >> He was crazy. >> How so? >> He was totally crazy. Yeah. Um, he 100% believed that God wanted him rule the world.

And that, uh, anybody who would stop him from ruling the world was of the devil and had to be killed. >> Simply said, yeah. I mean, he was crazy. >> Delusions of grandeur? >> Oh, yeah. >> It makes sense because when there was all this kind of chatter about Iraq having WMDs, weapons of mass destruction, after 9/11, >> which was this bizarre conflation on behalf of the American intelligence

delusions of grandeur kind of psychology where he just continued to grandstand despite not even having weapons of mass >> of him. >> Was there anything else I don't know, any other like random details about his life like did he have, you know, did he enjoy some weird hobby that like you wouldn't expect like fro k or something like >> I was never tasked with that. >> So, I never really went into it. One of the things about the military, the US military remote viewing

we were strictly told to never use this for personal reasons >> which was total waste of an order. But, uh and we did follow this. We were told that it was a federal offense and we would go to jail if we used it against US citizens. And then, the third rule was you will

use it only for what we tasked you to >> Because I mean, our government was afraid of us. Cuz, you know, with the remote viewing, there's no more secrets. >> Can you remote view the Q codes? >> I could. I've never been tasked to do >> That's scary. And so, what weirds me out about remote viewing is if you can remote view the Q codes and then you have these open source protocols, Ingo Swann's you know, teachings on

remote viewing are public. Your teachings on remote viewing are public. What's stopping some rogue Al-Qaeda operative from doing that with our >> Well, to be totally honest, uh is probably about 1/10 of what we know about remote viewing. Okay. Um there's um and Ingo uh

personally developed up through stage offered to teach me up through stage 11. But at the time he did, my wife was extremely ill, my mother was dying, I didn't get a chance to go up there. And before all that got over and settled, he had already passed away. So, I never learned up through stage 11. But um >> So, there are a lot of levels, and rigorous training to get really, really

>> And all we ever teach to the public is stage one through six. >> Well, I'm almost wondering like on the Saddam thing, I almost want to press on like is there a detail you can share that's counterintuitive, where that you know most people wouldn't be able to know in kind of open source world? And then I wonder if that sort of you know allows like a you know some random researcher or somebody who knew him >> to come out from the woodwork and then reach out and they say oh yeah I can

verify that you know this is something about him. >> Uh not that I can think of. Um we were um tasked to uh remote view his facility that he had his his own personal facility. And um the facility [clears throat] of course had no weapons or anything like that. And uh for some reason

while we were doing that cuz we had to draw maps as well. You know, accurate maps of the facility and of any target we did. And um there was something about the that got me. He had a little facility and his own generators to power the facility and all that. So, we was totally off grid. >> And there was something about that. And mentally went in, you know, queued to

move inside the facility inside that and describe. And one of those generators just seemed >> And the whole And I couldn't figure out why. And so, I just focused in on that one generator, found out that it was hollow and that it would tilt back. And when it tilted back, there were steps going down into a weapons bunker that you wouldn't

>> I mean, a weapons bunker that was that was stocked fully. >> It's like a trapdoor. >> It was like a It was like a false door, >> What sort of weapons? >> Oh, they had everything. They had rockets, they had lasers, they had, you know, bombs, >> So, they did have artillery. They did have an arsenal. >> Oh, they had an arsenal. >> But no >> He had an arsenal on his on his private place. >> That makes sense. >> Yeah, it was under there. >> That's wild.

>> But no nukes. >> I didn't know. I I was just seeing the physical things, so I don't know. >> So, he just had all these sort of crazy >> Oh, yeah. >> For his own little compound. Yeah, probably big compound. >> Interesting. So, um you are the inspiration for Cassidy in The Men Who Stared at Goats. >> And in the movie, he stops a goat's heart. He kills a goat. >> In the movie, he did. >> Did you ever kill a goat?

>> I didn't do that. That was another sergeant, and it actually happened. >> No way. >> But I didn't do it. >> You wouldn't have done >> And, the thing is, you in the movie >> you see him leaving in the helicopter. >> From what I've heard, the guy who did did kill the goat experienced dying with the goat. >> And, it upset him so much that in the end, he stole a helicopter

and disappeared, and they haven't looked for him since. >> No way. >> And, what he did with the helicopter, I don't know. And, but they said he's disappeared, and they haven't looked for him. >> So, the guy killed the goat, felt sort of some sort of symbiotic coupling of feeling with the goat, went through his own death. >> He was dying with him, you know. >> And, then got so psychologically disturbed that he stole a helicopter and was never seen again? >> That's the story that I hear from the Great Pyramid. >> Who was this guy? >> Uh he was just one of the sergeants that

was in the First Earth Battalion. >> Uh they were doing all kinds of stuff >> Do you remember anybody like did he have a boss or >> Jim Channon, yeah. >> Jim Channon was this guy's boss? >> I know how to do it. >> And, uh I won't teach it to anybody. >> That's a scary prospect. So, you think teams of remote viewers can literally kill other people and animals? >> remote viewer can. >> A single remote viewer can. >> And, the scary part is

it is so easy to do. >> So, that's freaky, first of all. >> Second of all, I'm sure there are a whole host of skeptics out there who are saying, "Why are not world leaders dropping like flies, you know?" >> Well, because you you know flies, okay? Because we know what they want, we know what they're going to do, and all that.

You drop one of them, you get an unknown >> And you have to start all over. The intelligence services have to start all over. No, you want to keep them. >> So, you think if somebody gets out of hand enough, like if you were to replay World War II, >> presumably if, you know, the allies had this capability, by 1941 or two, they would have remote viewed tried to kill Hitler. >> Oh, yeah. And Hitler was already working

on this. Um And the Russians, after they got all of this, had a woman named Nina Kulagina, who was stopping the hearts of rats and rabbits and things like that. And uh winded up dying of a heart attack, by the way. But uh she was already working on that. The Russians were working on it have their troops be able to look across the battlefield and kill their enemies by stopping their

>> You realize this takes mutually assured destruction to a whole new level. >> Oh, yeah. >> Goes well beyond >> Oh, yeah. >> nuclear capabilities. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> It's so crazy. So, it's almost like the world's pretty locked down on a go forward basis. If you can do this at will, it's not just nukes. It's you we might have pan- demics. We might have sort of asymmetric, you know, >> bizarre attacks, which, you know, are are horribly destructive. But the idea of all out war seems pretty

hard if you can just at will decapitate, you know, your your enemies. >> And it it already is. You know, the thing is um we don't need tanks and airplanes at all Uh we can change the weather anywhere in the world. The Russians have earthquake They can cause an earthquake at Yellowstone that will wipe out the center US. Um if they cause an earthquake on La Palma island that's strong enough,

the side of that volcano is already split off 5 ft. If it falls into the ocean, it's facing the US. If it falls into the ocean, 15 cubic of land will hit the ocean all at once. And the US Geological Survey has >> that that would cause a tsunami that in some places would wipe out up to 26 miles inland on the east east US coast.

And that's already known by the US Geological Survey. >> Are you worried about that? >> I'm not. Things like that um would be so disastrous that I don't think any country wants it. >> And uh and like I say, mutual destruction, they do that to us, we'll destroy them. And no, I don't I don't think it's a thing, the whole thing is that now war is just a money-making thing.

>> It really is. >> Um I mean we fight each other because of the weapons we have. Why not take out the weapons manufacturers? >> We don't do that. There's too much money >> I want to get into the logical conclusions of what you're saying >> this means advancement in remote viewing is sort of advancement in your ability to control the world, you know, geopolitical landscape. Because I'll look at somebody like, you know, Trump

or Kim Jong-un or some of these leaders, they might be more predictable than their detractors say. You know, their detractors say, "Oh, they're completely irrational. They're crazy. Whatever." Maybe they're more rational than we >> Trump kind of shoots from the hip. You know, I think some of these other leaders at times you think, right? You know, they kind of go on these little you know, escapades and adventures and and and and act in discretionary ways. They're not just extensions of the And so to the extent

that gets out of hand for any party that knows how to do this remote viewing technique, they can just sort of act out against that. I mean, cuz that that's a scary prospect. Is there a defense against it? >> talked to this talked about this to anybody. I may as well do it now. Okay? Um I have been in-depth remote viewing this.

>> OWOG, one world, one government. >> We're going into space. many of the beings that are already out there don't want us out there the way we are. And at some point when we get into space, we're going to have to have one world one government to at least some extent.

And if one country destroys another it blocks that. And uh >> from what I'm finding the powers that actually are behind the governments and run the governments. Uh one is to have one world, one government to prepare us for space. >> Who are the powers that are behind the

>> I knew. >> But you are convinced >> if I knew, I wouldn't say it. They'd bump me off or real quick. >> I think that's probably the right the right move. But you're convinced that our civilian leaders are not the the front-facing leaders that we see are not the true power and >> Who are the, you know, the the man behind the curtain. That's you know, like in The Wizard of Oz. So that's uh >> And it's not just it's it's an actual Wizard of Oz or

a mechanical Turk to use another term. >> It's not Okay, but it's not it's What you're saying is it's not just a bunch of guys in bureau, you know, bureaucratic positions who are lifelong politicians. It's it's it's a a vital group that like has deliberate >> They just organize everything, you know. >> So like a a true deep state. >> A true deep state, yeah. And it exists. But um

you know, >> What makes you convinced of that? >> The viewing that I've done. >> They must be cuz they must be more advanced at the psychic stuff. That has to be the way I mean, if the psychic stuff is true. So like let's just assume that it is. I think it is, but there are people out there that don't. Let's just assume that it is. I know you've lived it. You're so far past that debate. But let's assume that that's true. I think I I love how how many people

hear that it's true and then they stop >> Oh, yeah. >> The logical conclusion of the psychic stuff being true is a very different stratification of society itself. It's a It's a social hierarchy. And it's basically the people who are most advanced in this stuff have to have the Archimedes lever of control. >> Yeah. Let me divert this whole conversation here to that. when um they started the research on remote viewing,

what they did was they would take your complete session and see how accurate it What we found out was that everybody has strengths and And so one person may get the color right all the time and couldn't tell you the shape of something if, you know, uh if if they had to. Other person Other person will get the but not relationships or sounds or

something like that. And so everybody has strengths and So when I started what 30 years ago was a database that I've kept ever since of viewers' work. And we actually go If you have the police come and they say, "Well, describe the

describe the getaway car." You need to know the shape, the age, and all that of the getaway car. I will look in the database and say, "Who is always right at color?" now then, "Who is always right at drawing a pattern?" task him with the license plate. "Who's always right at the shape of the of an object?" Uh "Draw me the car."

You know? And and and so on. And by doing this, we can take the uh we can take 10 remote viewers who have an overall average of 70% accuracy. And by tasking them only with what they're best at, we can turn 95% accuracy into a And doing it that way. Uh but uh

tons of work. And that in itself has turned into the Cuz you know, used to they would say, "Show me your proof." Now they say, "Show me your data." And we've got the data. >> And and so that winds up being the proof of the efficacy of the controlled remote viewing. >> What's your biggest strength?

>> My biggest strength actually is accessing people mentally. Can you access me mentally right now? >> I wouldn't. >> I'd be fine with it. >> No. Um I am on retention. >> I'm not officially retired. I'm on retention. >> And as far as I'm concerned, um Presidential Order 12333 still applies to me.

>> I do not US citizens, period. >> Yeah. Cool. >> do it. >> Nice. Well, well, I guess we were getting into this stuff cuz I I'm a believer in parapsychology remote viewing. >> But I think very few people get into what that means for what society actually looks like and how it's built. >> Oh, yeah. >> Because if somebody has some sort of vital team that's extremely like elite level skilled at these sorts of things,

you can do a lot. >> And so like it's funny >> That's British understatement. >> Yeah, right? Yeah, >> it is a British understatement. So I you know, I hear you saying because of your remote viewing work you're convinced in a deep state. I would assume the deep state would have to be like even more skilled and better at these sorts of things, right? Then >> So what what are they better at? Like >> decide what's

They're in control. They decide what's going to happen. Yeah. >> But if you have like ultimate leverage over like psychic abilities, you're in control no matter what, right? Like >> And they don't need that. >> Why don't they need that? >> Because they're in control. What do they need it for? They'd get somebody who can do it. >> Couldn't you stop them because you're you know, psychic and you have like a team that's >> not attack You don't you don't attack a gorilla.

there's self-preservation involved here. >> You mentioned Ingo Swann. >> Ingo Swann legendary remote viewer long deceased, but he is just has an incredible story and he wrote a book called Penetration >> where he talks about remote viewing the dark side of the moon. >> Yeah, and actual world and all that. >> Yeah, and being almost abducted by what appears to be like a legacy UFO program taken underground. Really incredible story.

Do you think all of that happened and do you think he actually remote viewed alien bases on the dark side of the >> Yeah. Mhm. >> And what gives you conviction? >> certain about the details of the actual road story, but the uh bases on the moon, yeah, they're there. >> Have you ever remote viewed? >> Oh, yeah. >> Alien bases? >> And what did you see? >> Um basically what they were doing and uh their location and things like that. You

know, they're there, but they're not they're only there on the moon, they're on other places, too, of >> What were they doing? >> Basically what I got for most of them was minerals. They're just interested in minerals. Uh nothing no skullduggery or anything like that, you know. >> Is the moon an artificial object uh sent here to monitor Earth? >> I don't believe so. >> So, they're just mining minerals on the

>> That's what I got. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> Interesting. What sorts of aliens were up there? didn't go into that. Now, the alien bases, the four major alien bases on the Earth, I did those in in-depth, but uh the the ones on the moon, I was just asked, you know, what's going on, where are they, what's it look like, and all that. So.

and still running, but there was no need for personnel there, so it was basically kind of empty of people. >> And what was the purpose of it? >> Uh keeping intelligence on the US. I mean, on the on the Earth. Um just collecting data and signals and and all that. >> What would happen to me or an average civilian if we just went to Mount Hayes right now and tried to check this out?

lost and frozen. >> I mean, just it's high. It's constantly under snow, you you know, and I doubt you'd find your way in. >> Mhm. So, there's something on the inside of the mountain. >> Oh, it's inside the mountain, yeah. >> Mhm. So, similar to like the Cheyenne Mountain Complex when it comes to the American government. >> Yeah, mhm. >> And do UFOs fly in and out? >> I didn't get that. No, and neither did Joe or or Pat Price. Now, where they fly

in and out is in uh Mount Zeal and northern um Australia. And uh see, I did all these blind, mhm, just you know, like everybody else. And um the sketches that I drew, I mean, matched Pat Price's down to the measurements and everything else. So, uh that kind of confirmed it for me.

But, um Mount Zeil is sort of a port of entry to the Earth. The friendly ones go there. And then, from there, spread out around the world. And, uh Skip one time, uh Skip at water, wanted some feedback, and so he called a friend of his working in there in and in and asked him if anything [clears throat] was going on. And he said, "No.

Nothing happens here. It's the most boring job I've ever had. If it weren't for all these UFOs going in and out of Mount Zeil, we wouldn't have anything to >> What what's the purpose of the UFOs going in and out? Are they refueling? Are they >> Uh no, it's sort of like an an airport. Just a port of entry. >> No, uh and >> What makes it a good Is there like a reason why it's a good port of entry? Is there something, you know, geomagnetically anomalous about it or >> I don't know. It's It's isolated. That's

That's all I know. Um when I did that, when Pat Price did that one, they let him know that they knew he was there, and that scared him. He never went back. >> When I viewed it, the first thing that happened was they let me know that they knew I was there, and that it was okay. And so, um so, I just went through the whole facility sketching and and, uh >> What was that facility like? >> It was, um basically two levels. One

level is where the ships come in, settle into kind of a dock. >> And, uh passengers get on and off. And also the crew down below goes down, you know, goes down to the lower floor. And that's the maintenance and and everything else. And, um, that is just sort of a an airport. I guess you could say. Uh, now one thing that happened with my view was, uh,

something that they said they never heard before. Uh, in the area where the travelers, you know, go in and out. I saw a gray female with a baby gray. And I've never heard They said they've never heard of any anything like that on the earth before. You know, any observation of that. But, um, yeah, they let me know it was okay to be there and hey, have a look around.

>> Why do you think they let you just look around? >> I don't think they care. >> You know. I mean, uh, >> It's like, uh, >> What have they got to fear from me? >> It's like a zoologist or something going the the jungle in Africa and looking at the gorillas or whatever. It's >> Yeah, the gorillas just say, "Oh, here's a gorilla that's bald, you know, welcome him in, you know." >> It's interesting. Uh, it's almost like, um, when you learn

deeply advanced remote viewing, maybe your epistemology or way of knowing kind of converges on theirs. It's like >> It It does. Uh, there are, um, without going too deeply into it, um, there are >> even ways that you can physically change while you're remote viewing. Uh, >> You can physically change. >> You can physically change. >> Have you ever physically changed?

>> Well, I was doing one of the Saddam Hussein things one time and the uh the woman who was monitoring me at the let out a scream and ran out of the building, you know. And uh I found out the next day she finally told me she said "Your eyes turned brown and your voice deepened." And uh and she said, "But your eyes turned actually brown."

And uh so I just accessed him to that point. >> But I mean >> Your eyes >> him every single day. >> Cuz your eyes, I'm looking at them right now. You have You have beautiful eyes. >> I'm blue-eyed, yeah. >> Milky blue eyes. >> So you Your eyes turned to the same color as Saddam's. >> She said That's what she told me, yeah. >> So it was like you were merging with >> Merging, sort of, yeah. >> Like inhabiting him or something.

>> Sort of sinking with him or something. I don't know. I didn't know anything about it until she said, you know. >> You also remote viewed Gorbachev. >> Oh, yeah. Mhm. >> What was he like? >> Uh he was a nice guy. He really was. >> Seems like a nice guy from his public >> Oh, yeah. And um Seventh Sense. By the way, I brought you a copy. >> Thank you.

>> And I know people bring you books all the time that you can't read, you don't have time. So no obligation to read it, okay? There won't be a test. >> Oh, well, that means a lot. I've already read part of it, so >> I won't come back and say, "What did you think about chapter 7? >> Well, you can. It's okay. [laughter] Um you remote viewed Gorbachev and you said that he was a nice guy. >> somebody said in the book that I had um that I had said that

Russia to end communism. And that's not true. You know, at all. But um I was over at the golf club one day there on Fort Meade eating lunch and uh two agents came in and sat in at the far table and I mean stand out. You know, you can get the vibe right there. Oh, these guys are you know

uh not here to eat. And uh so I got up and left and when I did they followed me out to the parking lot. And they had me get in their car. They drove me around Fort Meade. And basically they said uh you know, we want you to do things to affect Gorbachev and all this. And I said no. I'm not going to do that. Uh for one thing we were this was another edict we had on us that

there would be no active mental work. We were there to collect intelligence, not to do influencing or anything like And so I said no, that's I can go to jail for that, you know, and >> so uh anyway, when I got out of the car I don't know what made me say it, but just short of the be nasty to those two guys. I leaned back down to the open door and I said

but maybe I can make him end communism. You know. And anyway, when I got home that evening, I thought I wonder if I could do something like that. And I said, "No, it's stupid, you So, I started doing sessions, and um what surprised me was the speech where they ended uh communism, the words in that speech were the words that I'd been pumping into >> No way.

>> Like what? >> Um well, it's all in Russian. But, uh >> what words you were popping into him? >> Oh, yeah. >> Like what? well, that's not the point I'm trying to make here. The point is that for a good year, year and a half before he was already planned to planning to end communism. So, did I have any effect on that? No. I may have helped him with his speech. That was it. >> Do you remember how specifically you

helped him at all or >> Uh one of the things I kept putting in was uh you know, the generations to follow and all this. >> That's amazing. >> But, um you know, the the terms and the words I was I was pumping in uh he used in his speech. >> About the generations to follow and you know, what the future of Russia might look like. >> And Mount Inyangani is another alien

>> And ten um in Zim- Zimbabwe, yeah. Uh what I found out about that one was that it seems to be a repair facility, maintenance and repair facility. >> For what? >> For ET for UFOs. >> For UFOs? >> Now, I never did the one that was in the >> So, I'm not sure about it. >> Mhm. That's Mount Perdido. >> one, yeah. >> Mount Inyangani is interesting because people often go missing while they're hiking around Mount Inyan Karrada.

>> Yeah, uh-huh, yeah. >> Do you think there's a connection between that and this supposed alien >> You see too much, you disappear. >> What happens to you? >> You [sighs] You don't exist anymore. >> You die, yeah. >> Oh, no. >> Yeah, they they guard things. >> They guard things tightly. >> Yeah, from what I've seen at uh Mount

uh there in Zimbabwe, I think you also have the chance to have becoming a worker but you don't come back. You don't go back home again. >> So, they abduct you and make you work for them. >> I think it's voluntary. You have your choice between dying or or working. >> What makes you think that they make certain people workers? >> Because there are humans working with

>> From the remote viewing, yeah. and also from other reports, you know, >> What are the human Are the humans like active managers or are they just underlings for >> They're just under >> So, they're like >> effectively slaves for these ETs?

about 5 years ago I was in El Paso and stopped at a restaurant and I ate came back out to the car and when I did two guys two humans, okay? uh came up and said you're Len Be Cannon. You already knew that, you know? And I said, yes. And um they said um

reporter, she's an investigative reporter, she knows and she clicked off the names immediately. And um so I asked them why and he said centuries and centuries ago when the ETs left the Earth, they took humans with them as slaves. And he said we've been slaves for hundreds of

on another planet our DNA has changed to match that and he said now that we're coming back here and to do the work at these bases some of us are escaping. And he said we don't want to do anything in the government, we don't want any power, we don't want anything, we just want to be That's all we want. And he said we're afraid of that DNA

>> Are those beings physiologically exactly the same as all of the humans >> These These two guys were. >> Do they have any other sort of adaptive powers, behaviors, or traits based on their evolution? >> guys in a parking lot. I don't know if it's true or not, but that's that's what happened. >> And uh and so I guess it's a possibility of being true. I don't know. >> So, those aliens that came here, you know, thousands of years ago,

stories of like Anunnaki and watchers and that sort of >> Yeah, something like that, you know. they had, you know, humans working for them when they came originally, you know, call it 10,000-ish years ago. >> Yeah, and when they left, they took workers with them. >> They took workers with them, and then now they come back, occasionally visit some of these bases, and they bring the workers with them to work >> to do the work. They do the slave work, >> occasionally some of those workers >> That's what these two guys told me.

>> Whether it's true or not, I don't know. That's just what they told me. But they told me in a way that I tended to believe it. I have no proof. >> Pat Price, who was originally responsible for viewing these four, you know, alien bases, was one of the most skilled remote viewers of all time. >> He was a psychic. >> How would you make that distinction? >> A psychic is a person who has the natural ability

and great strength and knows how to access it. >> A remote viewer is trained. >> A remote viewer >> is born. >> I um the remote viewing that was made for the Wasn't made for psychics. The military didn't want psychics. They wanted to teach the ordinary soldier how to know what's over the hill and where to point the guns. That's what they wanted. Are you a remote viewer or a psychic? I'm a remote

viewer. Well, but I grew up with the PK ability and some psychic sense. Everybody has intuition to some extent. Okay. Oh, some more than others and all that. the controlled remote viewing is actually a martial art. Oh, what happens is your subconscious knows something. It can't talk to the conscious mind

without a psychiatrist couch, >> you know. And so it gives you a physical response. When you can learn consciously to read this physical responses and you can train those to to where it's a communication line, you can pass a question to your subconscious mind. It will cause a physical response.

You read that physical response and you've got the answer. That's what controlled remote viewing is. It's actually a martial art. It's not Oh, the answer is, you know, oh, the answer is put that question to your forehead and the answer is. It's not that at all. >> Do you have a sense of how it mechanically works or are we sort of in the stone age as far as, you know, with a radio signal? It's pretty clear how it works. With remote viewing, do we

understand the actual transmission some of the people who do the controlled remote viewing write down the coordinates because you never tell them what the target is. You just give them a encrypted number and let their pen do scribble scribble And then they go back and touch it. Well, scribble scribble scribble is automatic writing which some people are good at.

Psychometry is where you go back and touch something and then get information off of it. Okay? And so that's one way to begin a CRV >> Another way and the way that I teach my students is the martial art way. Wax on, wipe off, okay? And so you say draw me the most basic graphic you can of land. And some people will make a

mountain, some people make a straight And uh show me water and they'll make a wavy line. And you have this other And you practice and practice and practice that. This is how they taught me the English one method was taught to me. And um when it gets to the point where the monitor who's calling out these starts to say the word

and the viewer automatically makes the word that's going to be said. That's when you know their subconscious is accessing the monitor. That's when you know you've got it. So, then you go to what's that's called stage So, then you go to stage two where you say, "Oh, describe the water." And by describing the water you say, "How does it taste?

How does it feel? What's the temperature?" You use only physical you get the physical descriptors of it, and then you say, "Oh, it feels cold." Well, how cold is it? That's where you start getting the measurements. And as you go through the six stages, you finally get down to where you can reproduce the circuitry on a circuit board. I mean, it gets that detailed.

And this is the genius of what Ingo Swann did. He started out with "I don't know what's at the target, but man, there's land and water and something man-made." You know? And at that point in the training, where you're in stage one training, you open the envelope and there's a ship sitting at dock. >> Just like that, you know? And when you get good at that, 80% accurate at it through practice,

then you move into stage two. >> Joseph McMoneagle was tasked with remote viewing Mars a million years ago, claimed to see people who were much taller than human beings and pyramid structures and sort of a civilization. Have you seen anything like that? Have you ever remotely viewed Mars? in stage six, there's a phenomenon called um uh bilocation.

And there's one step beyond that, which we call perfect sight integration. When you reach that stage, you're not at the target, okay? But your attention is so focused on the target that you you forget about the room around you or anything else. your attention is so focused on it, you cannot tell that you're not at the You feel the breeze on your face, you

feel the temperature, the everything. You see it. And first time that happened to me was with the Sedona region at Mars. And uh I was working along I gotten some coordinates, just some numbers. And uh I was working along and all of a I felt sand under my feet. there's an idiosyncrasy. I never remote view with my shoes on.

I don't know why. I just I'm a Texas boy, I take my shoes off, you know. And uh so I felt the sand under my feet and I looked down and there was I was in a hallway that was filled with sand. And uh I looked up and there was an at the far end of the hallway. So I walked down to the opening and I it was open, so I leaned out. And the building that was in was sloping

backwards and it was just all rough and just eroded and everything else. And I looked out. The sun was dim, the sky was the wrong It was extremely cold, the place smelled And um um I looked at the other things that were around. came back and described them and you know, drew a picture of it and all that.

So uh I guess about 6 months later we were out at um place in California visiting Hal And, um, there was a picture on the wall of the Sedona region of Mars. And, um, this was not the picture everybody sees. You know how the picture they show is all fuzzy and all >> Come on.

They can read your license plate from 250 mi through air. You're going to tell me they can't see a mountain sharply from on Mars. And, uh, this was a very sharp picture. And, there on the side of one of those pyramids, there's a little opening. Been there, done that, didn't get the t-shirt. >> But, uh, but I was looking at this picture and realizing that everything I had

drawn from that angle from above was in the right place, The, um, the sky that I saw was the color of the sky on Mars. The sun was dimmer, you know, and further away and all that. And, the bitter cold and everything else. >> Was it red? >> Uh, what, the sun? >> The landscape. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, it was it was it was

orangeish red, yeah, and all that. I mean, it was a desert. It was sand. After that session, they said, "Oh, you're on Mars." And I said, "Oh, okay." But, when I saw that picture, that's when I realized, I was on Mars." >> And, uh, you know, I cannot physically I cannot say I've ever been physically on >> But I have had the experience

the real experience of walking through the sands of Mars. And how are you going to explain that to anybody? I've had the experience of it. >> Did you see any alien life? >> Actually, I did. Yeah, um uh because the monitor took me elsewhere after that. But yeah, mhm. >> And And so where did you go after that where you saw alien life? down into the pyramid and uh it was um

it was beings that are much larger than humans but uh with atrophied limbs probably incapable of ever coming out, you know. >> What did they look like? Did they look like humans but atrophied or did >> No, well, right at first they looked to me like worms. I mean, their their legs and their arms were just, you know, were there but just like I say, atrophied, not even used.

>> Was their skin color the same color as >> roughly, I think. Yeah, as I remember it. Uh I was there a very short time and they pulled me out. >> Did you get the sense of as to whether they had a relationship with mankind at all or they were from >> No, I didn't. They pulled me out. They pulled me out from there, yeah. >> And this was present Mars. This isn't a million years ago. >> Present. Present, yeah. >> What's the most exotic place you've

bilocated to? >> The most exotic, I haven't heard that one before. the strangest place was Titan. I was tasked for some reason with Titan to find any life there. >> Titan is a moon of Jupiter? >> Moon, yeah. Uh-huh. And um Um I found these two beings in a cave. Now, what I think they were looking for

sea under the surface or something like that. I They weren't satisfied with what I got. >> But, these two beings were conversing with each other. like I say, my forte is mental access. in any other time found anything as totally alien as that. There was no understanding their

thoughts. There was no understanding >> anything about them. I could tell they were thinking. I could hear their thoughts. And there was no translation. There was no no nothing. The most alien thing I've >> experienced, period. And, you know, I've been tasked with a lot of aliens. This was uh just indescribably alien. >> Just completely foreign.

>> Completely. Totally un-understandable. >> Incomprehensible, yeah. >> When you relay these things to your superiors as part of the remote viewing program, what do they say? Are they shocked or are they like, "Oh, just another day on the job." and they're very blasé about it or >> generally just another day on the job af- after, you know, like I say, they've been there for 10 years before I ever got there. So, >> yeah, for them it's just another day on the job, yeah. >> How many alien species do you think

you've personally come into contact >> I think five. >> Have you seen any in a non remote >> I just figured you were going to answer that ask that. Yes, and I can't talk about it. >> Why not? >> Because it was on a mission that I can't talk about. >> That's interesting. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. >> No, it's okay. Is there anything you can share about it or Was it shocking?

>> By that time I had learned anytime I went on one of these missions, I would always tell them I don't want to know anything that I don't want to be responsible for. The alien was there. And so I immediately just looked away and kept kept going because I didn't I didn't want to be responsible for that for knowing that. >> When you say mission, this isn't a remote viewing mission. This is like you

were deployed somewhere? >> Somewhere else, yeah. >> For another reason, yeah. >> So what else have you done outside of remote viewing? Have you been deployed in different places around the world? >> Well, yeah. I uh was uh computer expert, >> uh computer programmer, uh Russian linguist, uh German linguist. I was the only Mongolian linguist in all five services at the time.

Six services now with the space space force. But um I was the only Mongolian linguist in all military services. the first time I was in the service, I was uh into guided missiles and guided missile computer systems, control systems, and all that. >> Fascinating. You've had a very winding career. You're you're uh you're you're polymathic. >> I live in interesting times, yeah. >> Yeah. You know, to for me, this you

know, direct alien experience, obviously I'm insatiably curious and want to know more, but I respect your decision to not share more. For the audience, >> Well, I also had I had an abduction experience, too. So, I had you know, go ahead and >> Well, I'm I'm I'm I'm just wanting and I want to get into that, too. But, I'm for the audience, they might be wondering why can Lynn share about some of the stuff he's remote viewed that also seems somewhat sensitive, but he can't talk about this one mission he was on where

he saw an alien. >> can talk about things that happened, but things like who was involved, what units were involved, what people and places were involved, and where it happened, and all that. You know, those are things that you know. >> So, could you could theoretically talk about what the alien looked like with no context around >> Well, the one I saw at that time, uh was uh one of the what do they call the

>> Okay. Whoa. >> Like a praying mantis or something? >> I guess. It was sitting at a uh position in a row of humans that were at the positions their positions and some equipment, so. >> And the thing is, many of these times where you have soldiers that are at these jobs all day long, if they know that somebody is coming in who's an

uh they'll do something, you know, just to They could have It could have been a soldier that just put on an alien hat or something like that. Uh I don't know because the minute I saw it, I looked away and kept walking. >> So this could have been them trying to mess with you. >> Could have been. >> But it looked like an alien casually working hand in hand with human >> Yeah. Mhm. >> Well, could you say what they were

working on? >> You're back into what I can't talk >> Okay, no worries. All right, we'll stop [laughter] there. But that That's >> Do you Do you think that um in some of these places humans and aliens are working side by side? You already said that in the Mount Zeil in Australia. >> And I've heard that from people who absolutely know for sure. Yeah. >> Over and over again. Yeah.

>> Wow. And so what like >> Those two guys that approached me in the parking lot >> could explain why there are humans working with them. They may not be people who were born on Earth. I don't >> It's It's a question that I have that uh that I don't know the answer to. >> I've talked to Hal Puthoff about things like this. Like uh >> sort of

almost like portals on on on Earth where humans and aliens are sort of co-located, working together. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> And we were talking as well before we started rolling about Indian reservations and certain off-limits places in the United States. what I seem to have found is that the alien bases >> uh I think most people think that the aliens come in and secretly cause form these bases that nobody human knows

about and all that. Uh I've come to the conclusion have no proof, no documentation that uh these are the places where our government or the governments of other countries have said, "You can have this spot to have your You stay away from us, and we'll stay away from you." So, they're more like reservations that we give to the Indians

than they are bases where they have secretly come in and formed something that we don't know >> And I think we know everything about it. >> So, this is how being done with our explicit permission. >> That's what I get. >> There's a place called Secret Mountain near Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona, Arizona. >> And this is one of these places that's rumored that a friend and fellow reporter, Ross Coulthart, has

>> uh you know, systematically investigated this place, and it seems like UFOs are flying in and out of this mountain. the I think the um land is sort of, you know, uh it's like Bureau of Land Management, and I think it was then reserved for like, you know, University of Northern Arizona, and there were some environmental studies going on, but basically it's a way of saying off-limits for anyone else, but nothing goes on there, like no research goes on there. Instead, people just see men who wear wear these sort of

but probably more, you know, inclined towards your side, obviously, than I am towards, you know, the an average person who hasn't studied this stuff. But how is there so much circumstantial evidence and yet the consensus still can maintain that there's like nothing here? Is it them concealing themselves, the the non-humans, or like Well, first of all, if you had something like that, would you want everybody to know?

You know, I mean, if you were to land on Mars, would you want all the Martians to know where you were? Uh probably not, you know. I think most don't want to know. They don't want to believe that that happens. And so, why shatter their paradigm, you know? Does one country want to know the others >> You know, I don't know a definite answer to that question, but I think most of

people don't want to know. >> Is there a connection between remote viewing and UFO crash retrievals? >> Crash retrieval? >> Evidently not from what I found had in that hangar. >> You know, um the the minute I saw that uh control panel out of UFO and said, "That's out of UFO." I mean, they ran me out of that place. >> Because there's a group called, I

believe, the Borderlands Research >> I've heard of that one. >> They're from the '40s, back in the day, and they were dabbling in kind of the >> Uh but they were doing some early remote viewing techniques, and there seems to be some documentation gathered by uh researcher friend of mine named Richard Geldrich. She's amazing. >> And he says that they knew about some of the early crashes in the 40s and 50s before the Army and the Air Force. And so I think if, you know, if you're what you were saying earlier that like

when we move into the psychic or remote viewing paradigm, we're kind of bumping into the epistemological framework of the non-humans, if you were to try to have a really vital UFO crash retrieval team, you probably would use remote viewing in order to spot where the UFO's actually >> Um and there are other methods, too. I mean, one of the things you always hear about a UFO crash, within minutes, the government was

>> You're right. So, that implies some sort of like almost foreknowledge or really low latency, you know, almost like quantum entanglement style understanding that would come from remote viewing more than it would from traditional >> No, I think uh traditional methods. You've seen one of them. >> What's that? >> On TV. Uh there's a a clip that they show on TV every now and then of this UFO that's coming in and a beam goes

like that and the thing turns around and >> And they say, "Oh, that was just water on the window." >> In space, there's no water on the window. Come on. >> And uh and um we have UFO weapons. We have identification, friend and foe. We already have those things. >> So, do you believe that we have uh vital UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering program? >> And you think that's tied in with remote

viewing programs? >> I don't think so. >> You don't think so? >> I don't think so. Uh we were never tasked with it. >> There was only one time that I've heard I wasn't there at the time that we officially got tasked with the UFO >> All of the rest of the times that we did a lot of UFO stuff came under the heading of practice

two or three star general might come up to your desk and say Hey, would you do me a favor? >> And what are you going to say? No, sir? >> It's a two-star and you've got a sergeant saying no, sir. That's not going to happen. >> Well, didn't you remote view the 1980 Rendlesham Forest incident? >> Oh, yeah. >> Where this is, Royal Air Force Woodbridge, where you have sort of Royal Air Force United States Air Force

combined group in England near Rendlesham Forest. And >> One of my fortes is drawing floor plans. >> Of the insides of buildings. And I was the one that drew the that went inside the triangular craft and actually drew the floor plans and the insides and all that. >> Yeah. Now to be honest >> Can I back up though and just give the audience a little bit of context? >> So 1980,

who was there who was in charge at the time you know doing a formal investigation saying this happened and so you were were you formally tasked with looking inside of this triangle >> As a practice target. >> As a practice target? >> As a prac- we were never officially chain charged in the chain of command with doing UFO targets. >> Who assigned you that as a practice Ed Dames.

He was always giving us UFO targets. >> Ed Dames was? >> So do you think these guys >> this was different. I forget who it came >> So it's almost like there's a different line of command that's interested in the UFO now. >> Well there's in any organization you have the formal organization and the >> So what's this informal organization that's interested in UFO stuff? >> Well it's totally unorganized. Like I say you >> You think it's just emergent and like personal personal interest based?

>> star comes by your desk and says will you do me a favor? You're not going to say no. >> Is the two star though like are they getting interested because they're like I heard this crazy thing. I want to know or is it more of like a some sort of secret other branch? >> are all interested. >> But it's pure personal interest. You don't think somebody's telling the two star hey get one of your best guys to look into it. >> But do I suspect that they're yeah.

>> So you think there might be another line of command another chain of command? >> Well you know it's like they say about UFOs they think what is our danger to our air superiority that's become an official thing. And so are they going to task a remote viewer with it? Not officially. >> They're going to come by your desk and "Hey, would you do me a favor?" >> So, you do this guy a favor, this two-star general, and

>> And and they walk out with the answer and you never hear about it again. >> What was inside of this triangle craft? >> Uh it was um intelligently There were no beings inside of it. There was a uh place where samples were being preserved. And this thing was going by and finding sample samples of

>> I don't know if it was soil or plant stuff or whatever, but there was a place in there where the samples were being And uh and then somehow the craft would seem to communicate back that they did it found something. But it was totally self-automated. There were no There were no beings in it at >> And what any other features of the craft? The color, the >> Yeah, it was um

red sort of reddish light inside. Uh there was a control panel, so it could be controlled by beings. And uh there was this um hallway that went back to a chamber samples were being held. Notice that. >> Samples of >> of whatever it was it was picking up and cuz it was out searching. >> It's like this automated drone sort of

>> Automated drone, yeah. And I believe Colonel John Alexander knew about Rendlesham before just about anybody else in the United States. >> Was he involved >> in your I guess you can't probably say >> No, uh John was um I don't think he was ever involved in our unit. >> Bert uh Albert Stubblebine General Stubblebine became a really good friend. I always called him Bert. And uh

uh Bert intentionally kept him out of it. >> Albert Stubblebine is a very interesting figure who seems very conspiratorial >> He became like a second father to me. I just treasure that man. >> What What is his Tell Tell us about him cuz he's this very intriguing figure in kind of UFO lore. Like when Steven Greer, for example, or initially gets into all this stuff, he sort of he was this emergency

medical doctor and then he developed CE5, this protocol to sort of call in >> And Stubblebine is first on the scene to you know >> ostensibly try to almost recruit him into some sort of government program. >> So what is what is Stubblebine like? What's his deal? >> in it. Bert had the um project going where he had people out looking for PK events and things like this. That's that's how I got reported to Bert who

was head of the Intelligence and Security Command. That's why he came out to the unit and wanted to talk to me. And um at that we've seen the movie The Men Who Stare at Goats. >> He shoved me into the office and uh told the commander I need to talk to Sergeant Buchanan get out, you know. He turned to me and got up in my face and said "Did you kill my computers with your

you can bleep this out if you want. Just immediately, right there in my face, he said, "Far out of I ever got a job for >> Uh that's awesome. [laughter] >> Who do you think tasked him initially with assembling this X-Men team of psychic warriors? >> own. He got all kinds of flak from that. >> Really? He really did. >> So he kind of went rogue a little bit. Such a fascinating world, you know, with

all of this stuff. And I always I find it interesting, too, cuz you have Hal Puthoff is one of these guys who's kind you know, one of the godfathers of remote viewing. >> He's great. >> Amazing guy. >> And but then he also is at the forefront of the UFO stuff. And I that has to be significant, like to me at least. I think there has to be this like essential overlap between these two

a person gets abducted, they suddenly start having psychic ability. >> So, yes. I was tasked to do a paper that as soon as I turned it in, it disappeared. I don't know if it's in that place where here that big warehouse at the end of the Indiana Jones movie. The task was compare and contrast our psychic ability with the ET psychic

And um most people will never see. But um the end result of that study that I did, I had already found out that you can divide psychically the ETs into four different groups. Uh there's not us and them, there's us and them and them and them and them and them and them and them. And uh you can cut them into four different groups, friends and enemies.

>> And those who have more psychic ability than we have, and those who are equal or less psychic than we are. enemies who are equal or less than we try to stay away from here. They don't like us, okay? >> The friends who are less or equal to us come here for trade. >> Come here for trade. And um

ones who are more psychic than we are and friends want us to become psychic. >> The ones who are enemies and more psychic than we are don't want us off this planet. They'd be very happy to just wipe the planet off. You know? Kill all human spirit. And uh I couldn't figure out why. And this one um this one event that I got the record of.

There were three guys camping at a lake. And they It was night time, they saw a UFO come, and they were standing there on the lake looking at it. It came up right over them, and all of a sudden they couldn't move, they were frozen, and they got abducted. there was something about that that uh sort of just made everything that I had studied before that fall together.

And that is that those ETs had much more psychic ability than humans, but no range. >> They had to be right over them in order to do anything. >> With the remote viewing, we can see across space and time like looking across the room at stove or something, you know? >> No different. If we develop our psychic ability, when we get out in the space,

we are going to be a power in the universe because we can see way into the future, anywhere in space, and all that. And evidently they can't. >> And so we have that ability. That's why our friends want us out there. And our enemies don't want us off this planet. >> Do you have a sense of like the taxonomies of non-human intelligence

like the species and stuff? Cuz I'm not going to lie, when I speak to people about when people volunteer information about this, I'm often skeptical. And then in the event in which we are, you know, being visited by non-human intelligence, which I believe we are, >> Oh, yeah. it's somehow obviously very important to categorize them as you as you just have. But, can you categorize them further by they're from XYZ planet, you know? >> Oh, you mean in those four groups?

>> Yeah, I mean like the classic thing would be like Nordic, Grays, Reptilians, >> found it was that like the Nordics, the Grays, and all that >> fit into all four groups. >> So, there are Grays that hate us, Grays that like us, Grays that are more psychic than we are, Grays that >> couldn't view their way out of a paper bag if the top was open, you know? And like many of us. And um and that there was no

seemed to be no separating them according to type into any of those four groups that at some point people in any of those four groups that I mean in any race that fit into all those four groups. >> Have you ever seen a UFO in a hangar? >> Not in a hangar. Well, uh in the viewing of uh Mount Hayes, uh

Mount um Mount Zeal. >> Have you ever seen a UFO in the possession of the American military? Not just a UFO that's flying around, you know, in the woods somewhere or something like that. >> I've seen was in that hangar where the collision had taken place, and there was just a a massive dump of debris, and that that [snorts] control panel was there in that debris. >> And So, where was this? Where did you

see this? >> You're back to where I can >> Can't answer. But, so you must have had a very high clearance at the time. >> Oh, yeah. I had one of the highest clearances uh not only for the remote viewing but for other stuff that I've done that will never be talked about. And I've heard that only 17 people have ever had that. >> know if that's true or not.

>> So it's basically the highest clearance you can get? When I was given that clearance I asked that he said, "That's the highest clearance I've ever given anybody." >> And I said, "Well, what is the highest He said, "Oh, there is one, but nobody ever gets it." And I said, "What's that?" And he said, "Truth." >> Truth. I like that. >> Truth. Nobody learns the truth. >> Yeah, that's funny. But you had the highest human clearance in the federal government.

>> I just I had the highest clearance of anybody I've ever met. And one time uh Bert and I were out at uh lunch and he said, "What is your clearance?" And I said, "Uh uh TSESIOP." utensils went down. He said, "What?" He said, "I can't even get that." >> And so anyway, but it was because of

other work that outside of the remote viewing unit and outside of all the other that uh I was doing. Well, I think that clearance needs a little bit of a rebrand for our audience. That is not SIOP, psychological operation. >> No, it's not. >> Strategic and re- integrated operational >> Uh so don't get any ideas. But um >> Um this UFO that you saw the debris of

in a hangar, did you see that in person? >> So that wasn't a remote viewing session? >> No, that wasn't a remote view. I was standing there in front of it and >> You were standing in front of a crashed UFO in a hangar? >> This hangar was dealing with mid-air And so, the guy my friend was showing me around and showing me how they put the planes back together and all that. And they had these piles of rubble all over and they were, you know, to figure out what happened with the

mid-air collision. Then we passed by this one and here was the control panel of a UFO which I had seen and operated before. And uh and I said, "That's out of UFO." And it echoed in this metal quonset And immediately colonel who was in charge came running out of his office and I mean just ran me

out of the place. >> A lot of questions. So, you said something interesting there. You said which I had operated before. So, you knew that this was a UFO control panel because you had some prior experience with it? >> I had I was I had a I was abducted. Uh I was a Methodist minister uh in East Texas. And the um

Methodist use they move their young preachers around from church to church to give them experience. >> Every year you move to a different And uh it was time to move. My family had already moved to the new parsonage. >> And when you say parsonage >> Parsonage is where the preacher lives. It's the house where the preacher lives. >> I was cleaning out the old parsonage, got it all cleaned out, everything was in the U-Haul. And um

it was late at night and I was tired, so I made a pallet down on the living room floor. And laid down >> And I heard something land in the Now, this was a country church. We were over a quarter mile off the nearest road in the woods and all that and um

and I heard something land in the And I knew it wasn't a helicopter. It didn't sound like a helicopter. It sounded like um example I can give is where some kid sticks a playing card into the spokes of his bicycle and and you put it was like that. And uh so I was going to get up and

There was an elderly older woman sitting I tried talking to her and she was just And there were empty seats over here in the window. Now, when I fly I have to have a window seat. I can't deal with being inside, you know, I I have to have a window seat. >> Especially on a UFO. >> Well, no, in a plane, you know. And so, I was sitting there and um this

muscled up must have been must have been 7 ft tall and muscled up like Arnold Schwarzenegger and just pale as could be uh came into the room there and I said, "Excuse me, can I sit by the window?" He got this look of fear on his face and turned around and ran out. And uh so, a few minutes later a little gray with three of these big guys huddled behind the gray for

protection, you know, uh came in and the gray started talking to me and I would nod almost going to sleep and then wake up. Finally, the gray said, "You know, we've got work to do. Come with me." He took me up front. He was the pilot. And uh he had me kneel down in front of the control panel. >> With me kneeling down and him standing, we were eye to eye.

So, that tells you his size, you know. But, um I was watching him. He was talking, we were talking to each other and all that. We We would land. The tall white guys would go out and come back in and I guess they were picking up more people. We'd take off again and finally he said, uh "We're going on a long jump now." And uh so, we went on this thing where we didn't land for quite a while. And uh I said, "I've been watching. Can I Can I try

And he said, "No, human hands are too Well, I have some very large hands. And so, uh he said, "Put your hand up." And I put my hand up, he put his up, and his were almost the same we're almost the same size hands. And uh so he said, "I'll let you try." And I tried it and didn't wreck the place. I I didn't wreck the thing, but he was standing right over me just in

case, you know. And um so I tried it and I learned how to do it. Anyway, we landed at some place that was not Earth. And uh the sky was black, the sun was out, but very dim. And um looked out the window, the front window, and there were two other ships. There was a string of people and I asked him, "What do you do here?"

And he said, "We're medical team." He said, um "We catch a lot of diseases going spaces around space." And he said, "We have no immunity, but you people are like antibody factories. We use your for health." He said, "There are only three of three of our ships." And all >> And so anyway, came our time to get off. And I filed back with the other people and I was

getting off and they were going up this uh path to a pavilion that was up on the He grabbed me by the arm and he said, "You don't want to go up there." And uh he pulled me over to the side and we sat down on the grass on the >> And the grass was totally black, which I found out from somebody later. They said, "Well, of course if it's black with no bright sun, it had to absorb different

rays, and so it had to be black to absorb I don't know." They gave me a scientific reason for it. But, um as we sat there, we were talking, and you could hear up on the hill somebody would scream in horror, and everybody would else would laugh. And then it'd go quiet. And then somebody else would scream in horror, and everybody would laugh and all that, and they they took turns. And so, I was glad I wasn't up there.

But anyway, as we talked, he was answering questions, and we were talking, and um I said, "Well, what are you implanting in us?" And he was confused. He said, "We don't implant anything into I said, "Well, we find these these glass-like things and things like that implanted in us." He said, "Oh, you people won't be still. The tips of our instruments break off." >> And I said, "Well,

why do you stick those?" He said, "Because we take one or two cells of our diseased tissue, put it on that tip, and implant it into you, and you will start making And then we come back and harvest the And he said, "You people won't be still. The tips break off." >> And so, that's what that was. Uh so, >> when you say that you heard laughing, and then, you know, somebody would shout

>> gang would laugh while somebody was screaming in in just pain and horror. >> Do you think that was like an operation going on? >> They were doing something to them. I'm not sure what. >> This antibody infusions >> I guess. >> Yeah. Or this tissue infusion that would create the antibodies? >> I don't know. I wasn't up there. So, but that's what I'm guessing. >> And this is once you've landed on Do you know where this other planet is? >> No, I don't. Uh-oh. I just know it wasn't Earth. I knew that. >> Is the other guy, you know, the 7-ft guy

who looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger >> They were still on the ship, I guess. I was sitting there with the little gray on the on the >> So, it's like the grays and the you know, these like Nordic-like things are working together? >> These weren't Nordics. >> What were they? >> They were just They struck me as being dumb as a rock. Uh they were just for the gray. I don't know what they were doing. They were going out and getting people and

coming back. >> How do you fly a UFO? let me go on with the story, okay? >> Yeah, sure. when everybody came back down Uh well, while we're there on the mountainside on the hillside um the pilot said to me, "I want some I want you to meet somebody." He went off and got another one that came back. Set down on the hill behind me and said,

"Put up your hand." As I put up my hand, he put his hand on the back of mine. And from that point on I remembered nothing until the people were coming back down the hill. And I was in line with them getting back onto the ship. And uh I turned to the pilot and I said, "I'd like to remember all this." And he said, "Well, you won't." the next morning I was standing at the

back window of the parsonage there looking out. Could not remember why I was there. I thought, "Well, I've been sleepwalking or what?" And was just so confused for about 5 or 6 minutes, and then I realized, "Oh, yeah. I'm moving to the new parsonage." >> So, I gathered up the pallet that I had made, threw it into the U-Haul, and drove off thinking I'd forgotten something.

that grew and grew and grew until I couldn't leave the house without going back five times. What have I forgotten? What have I forgotten? And uh no matter where we lived. >> And so, one day we were headed for and uh my wife was sick and tired of all this, you you And uh so, she said, "Did you check the basement?" Yes, I checked the basement. "Did you check the kitchen? Did you check the stove? Did you check the key?" You know, and I said, "Yes." And she said, "Did you

check the backyard?" >> And when she said that, 25 years later after the event, it all came flooding back. >> And I remembered, I thought, "This is stupid. I've never been abducted. Come on, give me a And but it hit me so hard, I sat down on the front steps, and I just couldn't And uh so, the next day,

I was in the remote viewing unit by that The next day, I got some encrypted coordinates, just some numbers, and I gave it to all the people as a practice And they came back with what I had remembered. Really? >> And so, I thought, "Telepathic overlay. They're just reading my mind. It never happened. So, uh um evidently it was Ed Dames

that reported me. And the following week I was up at the Defense Intelligence Agency going to see the director. And the two men in black stepped out of out of little contracts room, pointed in. And I knew the routine of the men in black. And so I went in and uh sat down. The men in black are not aliens, okay? They're a hired professional

And the other person who sits off to the side and never says is the person from a unit that has that they give to the interrogator and he sits over there and listens for answers. That's why he sits over there and never says anything. And so the interrogator has a list of questions. He jumbles them back and forth and you know, mixes them up and says them in different ways to see if you're going to trip yourself up.

And so he was he kept asking about the control panel. And um I thought when they stepped out in the hallway, I thought they want to see if somebody with my clearance is going crazy. So, I thought this what he was in there for, but he kept asking about the control panel. And so about the fourth or fifth time he asked, I said, "No, this is how you work

And explained it. And the guy over to the side slapped his leg and said, "So, that's it." one and didn't know how to fly it. I looked back at the interrogator and grinned. The interrogator is trained to never make an expression of any kind. But his ears started turning red. I could tell he was angry.

>> And within 20 seconds, I was in the room by myself. They were gone. And uh so I thought Then about a year later I was at this facility on this other Met this guy that I had known way back years before in the military. Found out what he did. He showed me through this hangar.

And um that's where I came across this panel and I said, "That's out of a UFO." I got kicked out of there. But the minute I saw the minute I saw that, I thought "Shit, I was abducted." look like? >> Um it has a an impression of a hand on it. This one The one in the hangar did. The one on

the ship didn't. had the impression of a hand There are holes over it. And uh where you put your finger over the hole is what works the works the controls the ship. >> Any sort of surface materials? Is it >> Metal. Yeah. >> But um >> Is it gray? >> It's the holes. The holes. Where you put your Where you stop one of the holes up,

that's how they control the ship. >> Is it gray or any particular color? >> It was just metal as far as I remember. >> And so when you said, "I think that's a control panel from a UFO." you clearly hit a nerve. >> I said, "That's out of a UFO." I was definite statement. "That's out of a UFO." and it just echoed in that hangar. And uh >> And they got angry immediately. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, they kicked me out, man.

With warnings. They kicked me out. >> What what were the warnings? >> Uh you don't tell this about anybody. We you know, you don't ever mention this about >> Why do you feel okay talking about it >> Uh because I can talk about it. I can't tell you where it is. >> No context is okay? >> Yeah. Uh-huh. And uh when were you abducted? What

be uh >> Sure. And was it from your place and were you in New Mexico at the time or >> No, I was in Texas. >> You're in Texas. Um in East Texas East Texas church. >> Hm. And did that have any transform You mentioned some abductees you know, have greater psychic powers. Did that you know, change you in any sort of way?

>> I don't think so. like I say, growing up when I was 12 and 15 I was all this PK stuff. And uh >> I had had some psychic experiences when I was young and all through life. But nothing astounding of any way. >> And then when Bert put me into the remote viewing unit, that's where I

the controlled remote viewing to use your psychic ability to collect It's so fascinating. Mhm. And how long do you do you feel like you were on this UFO for when you were >> Well, it was it felt like hours and oh, it felt like a long >> Did you have missing time at all like in in the real world? I was there

on the pallet in the living room. the next morning I was standing at the back window looking out at the backyard. it had to be just overnight. You know. >> Did anyone in your family ask what had happened to you? >> No, because when I left I went to the new parsonage. I felt like I'd forgotten something at the other parsonage, but I didn't remember any of it for 25

>> Until so was it it was the control panel that you saw in the hangar that freaked you out and made you remember the abduction? >> No, it was when my wife said, "Did you check the backyard?" >> And she was making fun of me, but when she said that, >> it all came back. >> And so the next I went to work there at the remote viewing unit, gave them the task, and they confirmed it. I didn't believe it.

>> The men in black confirmed it. I didn't believe it. A year later, I saw that pile of stuff in that hangar, saw the control panel, and that's when I said I was abducted. >> Got it. So so what you had the flashback when your wife said go check the backyard. >> Yeah, but that was that was >> did that give you the flashback? >> Evidently because

when that happened I was trying to get up and go to the backyard and see what what happened, what landed. And so I didn't remember the whole I didn't remember any of it. When I drove away from the parsonage that day to go to the new to the new all I could think of was how to get to the new house and also the feeling that hey, I forgot something.

>> Did you have an implant at any point in your body afterwards that you found? >> He He grabbed me by the arm and he said, "You don't want to go up there." >> So how do you fly a UFO? Cuz it did presumably this gray sort of taught you. >> He showed me the finger and and all that and that's what I explained to the And that's when the guy said, slapped his leg and said, "So that's it." >> Is there some sort of mental connection?

>> Mhm. Just putting the fingers >> Just how you work the control panel. >> Because if I was the guy in the hanger, you said they had other crashed, you know, prosaic >> Crashed airplanes. >> So if I had other crashed airplanes and I was an aerospace person and I saw a control panel and it had a like, you know, five different little holes for for your fingers. >> a bunch of holes, yeah. >> So I my my maybe like initial assumption would be that's how you you know, fly it. But he didn't figure that out on his own.

>> I imagine a a regular non-x person would think what a piece of junk. >> Yeah, or that. Or they just would have no idea. So, he didn't even know it was a control panel. Yeah. >> But evidently, somebody knew it was a control panel. >> Because they got mad and kicked you out. >> But it was just sitting there like kind of unattended to? >> It was in a pile over to one side. >> So bizarre. Did Was this Do you think they had any intention of

reverse engineering it? >> I have no idea. We just were walking pile of wreckage, pile of wreckage, pile of wreckage, and there was this one pile of wreckage, and there was that control panel Did you It was sitting up >> Did you experience any sort of psychic phenomena like around the metal? That sometimes occurs. Okay. >> It was just there. >> I just saw it, and hey, that's out of UFO. It's pretty wild.

>> Has anyone else showed you a photo or a drawing of their abduction experience that looks at all like this control panel that you saw? >> No. Not a one. But then, they never show you the inside of the ship, I don't think. Uh I've never seen anything like that. They mean they tell stories about their abduction and all that, but uh >> Did you ever come across a guy named General uh William Neil McCasland? >> Who's at Wright-Patterson?

>> No, I didn't know. >> Uh did you ever come across Hans Adams by any chance? The uh Liechtenstein royal prince. No? >> In fact, the you know, uh >> the UFOs that I've seen a lot of UFOs. I mean, I live in Alamogordo. We see UFOs all the time. And I mean, provable UFOs. And uh

it's gotten to where Yeah, so what? >> And they're here. I know it. >> So what? There's nothing I can do about >> Do you think there's also a lineage of exotic propulsion that's man-made? >> What my friend who did the uh technology transfer with one of the groups of

told me at one time he said way back when we found that if you explode something, it moves things. It blows things away. So, you can cause motion by exploding And that has led to the internal combustion engine and the jet plane and all that. You explode and it makes things move. Uh he said that the group he dealt with way back when they found that you can

move things with magnets. >> And that just as we have taken fire and turned it into rockets that can go to other planets, you know, that can go to the moon they have taken magnetism and over the centuries they have developed it to and he said um one of the things that he had seen was that we think they're so more advanced than we are.

They think we're so far advanced than they are. When actually we've just advanced in two different directions. But he said that's why they're eager to trade with us. >> Interesting. Because we've like almost split off from them as far as our >> Yeah. Uh-huh. >> Mhm. Is there anything having to do with timelines? Like are they us on a different timeline sort of thing? >> Not from anything I've heard him say. Um

>> Did you ever encounter any religious figures in your experience with remote >> Oh, yeah. >> Like who? >> Yeah, but not not tied with ETs or anything like that. >> ever tasked with looking into the Buddha or Jesus or Muhammad? >> yeah. Mhm. >> Which one of those? two that most meaningful to me. Uh one time well, I think we already mentioned that

one of my fortes was um mental access. And um so I was tasked a lot of times with doing personality profiles even deeper than that getting the plans and intentions of foreign leaders. And uh personality profile is just where you give a personality profile of. So, I went over one day and um they said, "We have a personality profile for you."

And they gave me the coordinates and um just almost immediately I said, uh "This isn't one of the bad guys." And uh my monitor said, "What you're tasked with it. Go ahead and do the session." By the end of that session um I was just feeling like I was glowing and um

my entire summary on that session was, "Whatever evil you think this guy did, he didn't do it. This is a good guy. And um in that session I found myself again with the perfect side integration. >> I was standing there and this Jewish-looking guy was standing in front of me in a modern business suit.

we didn't talk so much as you know, related to each other and all And um I felt just dirty in front of this guy. And basically what he let me know was whatever evil you've done, I've seen a whole lot worse. Whatever you good you've done, I've seen a whole lot better.

And I don't care. I like you anyway. And uh when I came out of the session, that's what I knew, but what I wrote was whatever evil you think this guy did, he didn't do it. You know, this is a good And that's when the monitor opened the envelope and our director had written the word Jesus on it. >> I cannot say I physically met Jesus, but

I have had the experience of it. And it changed my life. It really >> What did you feel when you were in his >> Oh, I felt dirty. >> I felt so dirty. I felt so guilty of myself and everything else. I felt, you >> But you felt loved? >> Did you also feel love? >> Oh, yeah, absolutely. When he said, I don't care, he said, I love you anyway, you know. >> And uh >> Why was he you don't think of Jesus in a

you know business suit? Why do you think he was >> I think that was a way of saying he's not thing out of the past and you know wearing robes and all that. He's here >> I that's the only interpretation I can get of that. >> Did he look like Jesus is traditionally depicted long hair? >> near. No. No. Uh >> I mean this looked like a short little Jewish guy. Where was he and what was he just kind

>> He was just standing there in front of me, you know. >> In in like hyperspace or in a room or >> In a room. And it was all dark in the room but we were there, you know. >> And uh >> Did you ever remote view any other religious figures or mystics or >> One other time. Uh they had done this with um uh Bill Ray. And uh they did it with me. Uh they probably did it with all the

I was to do a you know just a target. They didn't even say personality profile or anything like And uh I found myself surrounded by total darkness but I was standing in some light. I couldn't figure out where the light was coming And uh I heard this voice that said, you know, um

I said, well what am I doing here? And he said, you're here to learn. And I said, okay. What am I supposed to learn? And there was no answer. And I said, "Well, look, give me something." And the voice said, "I've given you everything you need. What I give you now, I give through you,

not to you." >> And when I came out of the session and they opened the envelope, it said God. >> Did you see God? >> I didn't, but I heard the voice clearly. From now on, everything I give you, I give through not to you. >> What did you feel in God's presence? total confusion. I was I was thinking, hey, I've got a

target. I've got I've got to write a report on this, you know. >> But, uh >> Did you feel awestruck? >> No, I >> Did you feel love? >> Not really. the v- the voice was I mean, just >> And kind and all that.

>> Do you think you actually spoke to God? And I think what I was there to learn from now on, I give through you, >> not to you. >> Yeah. Do you think on the remote viewing program, anybody ever engaged in sort of deception or trickery, or do you think it was always pretty straightforward? They gave you a

>> Well, we had constructive trickery. I know one time um um we had one of the viewers go over and one of the things you have to learn in remote viewing is how to overcome pollution. And so we were never supposed to pollute each other. But you don't learn how to overcome pollution by not facing it. And so uh one time one of the viewers

was going over and he'd been having trouble with fighting pollution. And so we had the coffee pot and he always had coffee to take over with him to the other building when he did a session. And it was a practice session. And so I went up got my coffee at the same time and right as he finished fixing his coffee and turned to go away, I said, "Oh, by the way, your target today is probably not the

Eiffel Tower." And I turned and walked away back to my desk and left him standing there having to fight the Eiffel Tower. And we would do things like that to each other, you know. >> Why do you think they asked you to remote view God and Jesus? >> Uh it was I think something they did for all of us. >> Uh they Bill Ray, I know they had him remote view Buddha and that was a

change life-changing experience for him and uh I think they did that to all of us just just to give us the experience. Many of the targets we got were to gain experience in how to view >> Did you view anything historical that they want like did they ever say, "Look at the French Revolution or look at the, you know, um >> We did those because there was feedback.

They wouldn't give us targets for which there was no feedback because you can't >> What's an example of a famous historical event that you remote viewed? things like Joan of Arc. Oh. >> What did What did Joan of Arc >> What What did What did those two look Joan of Arc, different parts of her life. Uh we also, um just events in history, uh historical

>> What was Napoleon like? >> Um Napoleon was, um egotistical like you wouldn't believe. >> I mean he was God's favorite in all this, you know, and and he was He was his own hero. >> Is there anything you can say about Napoleon that isn't conventionally known, but that you learned through your remote viewing of him?

>> I'm not sure what's conventionally >> Well, I think people think of him as like this Yeah, chip on his shoulder cuz his dad >> Oh, did he? >> Yeah, yeah, cuz his dad was a Corsican governor. So, that was off the coast of France, and you know, he didn't >> Well, the one thing that I really know about him is the time that he had the war of the rabbits. Have you heard of that one? It was a celebration of some big event that he did. And, um

so, he was going to have all of his generals come out to do a rabbit hunt, a wild rabbit hunt. And they couldn't find enough rabbits, so they got all these tame rabbits from rabbit raisers and all that. And right before the thing event, they let them loose in the woods. the rabbits saw the humans and thought, "Oh, feeding time." And so, all the rabbits ran toward the

and just swarmed the generals and the generals started running and Napoleon himself had to jump into his cart. There were hundreds of them. Had to jump into his cart, uh you know, into his carriage. And as the carriage went away, he was throwing rabbits out the window. He lost the war to the rabbits. >> Wow. Is this documented? >> Yeah, it's documented. Yeah. >> And you saw it. >> Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. And uh I give it now as a um as a target to my students here.

>> What's the most disturbing thing you've ever seen historically? >> Or not historically. Could have been contemporary or historical. there are a lot of uh And um I know a lot of police work.

I have a lot of students who come and they say, "Well, I want to help find missing children." And I warn them ahead of time, "In order to do that, you're going to have to experience where the children what they're going through and all that. And you're going to actually experience children being molested, chopped into pieces and buried across acres of land. Do you really want to do

that, you know? And I always tell beginning students do not get involved in this until you're highly highly trained. Cuz it can mess you up emotionally like you wouldn't >> I mean highly trained and highly highly desensitized. I don't know how anybody wouldn't be you know broken into many pieces emotionally. >> Oh, it can it can be >> Really bad. Yeah.

All right. Well, we got to take it to a more positive place after that. What about all these missing scientists? Have you looked into any of them? So, >> I haven't been I haven't been tasked with it, so I haven't done it. Yeah. >> Could I task you with it? >> Yeah, you can. We won't have any feedback for who knows how long. >> Okay. All right. Well, let's talk after do you have any did has anybody tasked you with anything on this hantavirus? This like people are worried about this

virus that's um seems like it's caused some issues on this cruise ship and you know people think it might cause another >> Not directly on that. Uh back in 1998, I was tasked with um viewing the future of the US. It wound up I viewed the future of the >> Uh up through the year 2050. And um turned in this whole long list of changes that were going to happen.

And I have watched them come true one after another after And um would it >> just a glossing over everything. >> I mean it's going to be some hard hard hard times that's going to result in um quite a bit of

warfare, quite a bit of um one of the things it pointed out was um killing off of 75% of the world >> Be Oh, with what? man-made disasters like earthquakes and so on. Also >> you know it gave a list of other things, but uh what I found was that by the year about

there will be almost no centralized we will be an agrarian society. Uh any goods that we can't make for or grow for ourselves will be delivered, and there will be almost no social interaction with the few people that are left except through technology. um one of the things was you can make

your own tools. And I thought, how in the world can make your own tools? In 1998, they didn't have 3D printers. And yet I saw people just going to this machine and making their own tools. >> Well, this sounds terrible. >> Okay. [laughter] >> Uh but earlier you mentioned that we are bound to be a spacefaring species, and the only way to do that is to have one world government. >> But in this sort of prophecy, it feels

like there's no central government. So >> How do you those two >> I think it's going to wind up after that. So I don't think we're going to get into space until around 2080 or even I mean, when you say into space, cuz we're technically in space now, you mean >> Well, we're technically in space, but what I mean into space as a community of the space, you know, of space. >> I mean, right now we can go to the moon. Maybe we can go to Mars, so that's it. >> If humans can bilocate with their

consciousness, do you think there's a secret space program, which has a ridiculous connotation, but do you think there is a secret space program involving human consciousness where humans bilocate systematically to other >> You're smiling. >> I think so. Yes. >> Do you think so, or do you know so? >> I'm not involved. >> Sounds like [clears throat] you might know so, but >> But but have we done that? Yeah, I've done that. Yeah.

>> You've done that. But outside of just >> If there is an effort, I'm not involved. >> Mhm. Fascinating. But is it possible? Yeah, been there, done that. But uh >> Well, I was just thinking cuz you said, you know, >> Didn't get didn't get the t-shirt. >> Fair enough. Well, you had no gift shop. Well, you you you mentioned your Mars story, and then I you know, I'm thinking in my head, if you can systematically do that, and there's stories that go back 17th century Swedish mystic Emanuel

Swedenborg, you know, saying he went to other planets and coming back. If there is a science behind that, >> There is, and um Well, I didn't mention that uh there's what they're calling remote influencing, which is actually a form of remote persuasion, but um you can mentally interact telepathically with others, pass messages back and forth and all

that. We've learned how to do that. It's not hard. Whether that's people on Earth or beings on another planet, it's actually very easy to do at the extreme highest levels of CRV, yeah. >> Have you ever worked with a guy who supposedly ran the CIA weird desk, Kit >> Uh I know of Kit Green. you ever been experimented with vis-à-vis radiation to see if that

would affect your psychic abilities? >> Oh, for that? >> No, for that, but we can detect it uh quite easily. >> Uh not only you know, like particle particle weapons and all that. or radiation like you know, uranium and radium and all that. But also uh just uh

uh transmitters. You know, radio transmitters. Uh it's very possible. Like uh if the in the field is transmitting we know generally what their frequency band is because we know what frequency bands the other countries uses. you can say to remote viewer uh remote view this thing and you'll

come up and see something sticking up a pole or something like that. And it's glowing, let's say uh you take the visible spectrum and spread it out over their radio frequency spectrum they have and you look for the blue green. Now you know what what frequency they're transmitting on. you tune your radio to that frequency and you intercept their It's interesting

that areas of high entropy and nuclear are easier to remote view. Yeah, because I I think of the UFO nuclear connection. >> And it seems like UFOs show up around nukes and areas of high entropy and it almost feels like they do cleanup jobs around Chernobyl and Fukushima. >> I've written a paper about that that shows that it has nothing to do with

that at all as to why they show up. >> So, why do they show up? short method elevator method of saying Space-time continuum, okay? Space is three-dimensional. Time has got to be three-dimensional, >> People think of it as the fourth

>> It's not. It is a part of three-dimensional space, time. Okay? let's say that um you know how in ancient times the sun went around the earth and the heavens went around the earth and we were the center of everything, right? >> We look at time the same way. We're here and time comes toward us and it goes past us and all that.

Time is a part of the space-time It's linear because we're going through So, if there's disturbance in space space-time continuum out here, as we go toward it, >> we can get you know, some of the waves of what it's of it coming. Therefore, we can see what we call our

We're just picking up on where we are in the space-time continuum as we go through it. Uh we can look into the past and see what was there. But space-time, time itself, stands still. And we're passing through it. if there's some big disturbance in the space-time continuum, we will be attracted to it.

Some other people going through the space-time continuum in another way will also be attracted to it, and it's like two trains coming into train station at the same time. And there Bigfoot pops in. And then Bigfoot disappears because we go on. >> So, the disturbance creates some sort of inward pull between >> And you get a collision of worlds. >> at the same time, we see a portal open.

We see a UFO suddenly pop into existence and suddenly pop out and things like that. >> You remote viewed Chernobyl. >> Oh, yeah, ahead of time, yeah. Three day three days before it happened. >> And what did people say? >> Oh, um the task on that was um describe what's going to be on the headlines in the Sunday paper. That was on Friday.

the radiation cloud coming over on Tuesday. And Tuesday was when the news came out about Chernobyl. And therefore, the Sunday paper did not have the Chernobyl event in it even though it had already happened. And so, I got a zero cuz it was wrong. >> Well, I think you got it you got it right, but >> Oh, yeah, I got it right. Described everything even the purpose, how it

happened, and everything else. But, uh >> When you say the purpose, or like what what caused it? >> What caused it? >> And also, the purpose. There was a >> What was the purpose? >> 6 tons of fissionable material that was at the plant, not in the reactors, but it was at the unaccounted for.

Where do you think it's at? >> I know where it's at. >> You can't say. >> Um, I won't say. But, uh yeah, I know where it's at. Uh, but it was um it was >> So, you think that was a little you know, uh intentional job being done? >> I think so. >> Not just a little meltdown. >> No. Uh, no. Uh, but you know, it's >> And your well, your conviction level on that is >> pretty really high. >> Over 90.

>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Close to 100. >> Yeah. No. Close to 100, yeah. >> Does anybody else in open source world believe this? Like theorize Okay. So, other people talk about it. >> Nobody can account for the missing stockpile that was there and isn't now. And it was no longer there. >> Wow. [sighs] >> I got to look into that. Um you also were tasked with looking into a Russian death ray?

They um the Russians were developing a particle beam weapon at semi-politics. And um somebody in one of our science groups or something wanted to know what happens inside the beam. >> Well, on a particle beam weapon, you can't stick an instrument inside to find out what's happening because it vaporizes it immediately.

So, somebody had the genius idea of sticking a remote viewer into the beam. And so, they came out and they told us ahead of time, you know. And uh I thought that'd be neat. >> So, I volunteered for it. And um um we worked it to the point where I had the perfect side integration. I was standing there in front of this beam

and I stepped into it. And when I did, um that beam. And uh the the whole list of experiences just were phenomenal. One of the things was it was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. Just uh the colors and everything else.

But uh what I got was that the uh uh the particles in the beam are not shooting straight like light does. They swirl as they go. And that was what the scientist wanted to know. And so, that was the part that that they accepted back. All the other experiences were just mine that I had and I don't think anybody cared. >> So, some of your remote viewing

was in the service of fundamental science espionage. >> Well, you do what you're tasked to do. >> Yeah. Uh >> So interesting. >> Um your fellow remote viewer who was highly skilled, who we mentioned earlier in this interview, Pat Price, died in a very mysterious way. >> met him. Yeah. >> You never met him. Do you have any theories as to why he died? Or some people think that maybe he was killed. I think Hal Puthoff has publicly speculated about that.

Uh I've heard other stories from people who were there who uh tell a different story from the story that's published. And uh also uh I've heard that a couple of years later he was seen in a department store in downtown Washington D.C. >> And uh the um head of the department of security uh years later said

Pat Price died and we haven't heard from him since. Yeah, that's a little coded message >> Oh, yeah. Huh. >> So, um I don't think he was >> still be alive or lived for a while after that? >> cremated and all that. But, uh um I've heard that the ambulance that picked him up >> was an unmarked ambulance, drove away, and uh his body was never seen since. >> Why do you think

>> or anybody. >> That's It's crazy. Why do you think that the US hasn't gone back to the moon? We We just had the Artemis mission where we sort of flew around the moon. But since 1972, since Apollo 17, I believe, we have not gone back to the moon. >> And I have no idea. I think we should go back. >> What do you think happens with the future of UFO disclosure? Do you think you know, 20, 30 years, it sounds like

you are predicting some uh calamities and some catastrophe uh some population reduction >> not dealing with UFO not dealing with UFOs and the ETs. >> No, no, I know. >> We're going to do that to ourselves, you >> Yeah, which that sucks. Um >> but but alongside that, it does feel like right now there's a lot of momentum behind UFO disclosure. Uh you have >> the disclosure is going to come out, you >> You did? >> And so And what do you think the world looks like on that dimension in 20

years? Do you think it's like academia is teaching UFO classes and, you know, these are the alien races that are visiting us, that sort of thing? >> be. Yeah, I think the um we will get the exposure to the ETs, you know, physical exposure to the ETs uh within several years. But um >> You did? >> for us to be in space and join the community out there uh that's going to take a long time.

>> But you think they're going to reveal their presence in a more kind of widespread obvious way? >> I think so. >> Near term? >> Next few years? >> I think they're already doing that, >> And um um you know if you were out there, >> would you want the Earth people coming out and dealing with them? I wouldn't. >> I don't know. It sort of depends on a million different factors, but yeah, if you were some super, you know, pure

>> ancient and advanced race of beings, yeah, maybe maybe you wouldn't want to deal with the little chimps running >> they were advanced in a different direction. I wouldn't I wouldn't say they're more advanced. >> Not all of them, yeah. How do you reconcile your uh, kind of religious, uh, inclinations with all of this UFO and alien >> I see no problem with it. I think you would be an absolute

to believe that on is the only one that has life. Come on. >> And you would limit God to that? Come >> Yeah, [laughter] fair enough. >> Yeah, no, I I agree. All of God's creations, you know. >> Yeah. I don't think it's so disruptive, you know. People are talking about >> I don't either. >> pastors getting sort of, you know,

spoken to by these intel people who are worried that it's going to cause a lot of disruption. It's like, who cares? Just be a normal rational person about it. And you know, if you're religious, great. If you're not, that's fine, you being spoken to about it, I think, is an >> Like people say the men in black, they threaten you at the end. Uh, they don't. >> Uh, they tell you, you know, you shouldn't talk about this to

And after you've sat there, uh, one of the things when you're being interviewed by the Men in Black is you're going to start trying to make They're not going to respond. No humor, period. And so all of a sudden you're getting defensive. You're getting all you know, and and all that. And so when they say you shouldn't talk this you take it as a threat. They're just telling you you shouldn't

talk about this to anybody. That's all they're saying. >> You know. >> Yeah. Yeah. Would you say you're generally clairvoyant and and sort of you have like a psychic propensity beyond just the remote viewing training? I mean it sounds like it given your childhood. Yeah. >> Yeah, I always have had. Yeah. >> Do you pick up anything about me? >> Not really. I one of the things that you learn to do in the controlled remote viewing is turn it off. We have a thing called the ambience

The ambience exercise makes you sensitive to the world around you. the um ninjas have a thing called Sakki No Jutsu where you're aware of everything in 360° around you. We developed that with the ambience And it gets to where you can't go to a restaurant, you can't go to a church, you can't be around people. You just I mean it's it's just bombards

>> Yeah, and so you learn with step 16 you learn to turn it off. >> And there are 20 steps in all in the in the training of it. And um you learn to turn it off. And somebody will will be in conversation with somebody and they'll forget a word or something like that, you know, and go dip and supply the word to them or something like that. And or they'll

forget a fact and I can dip in real quick and get and remind them of and they say, "Oh, yeah, I remember that." Yeah. But you can help people that way and needs cheering up you can get to their subconscious and cheer them up. But other than that, uh I find it very distasteful to get into

other people's mind. >> I just I don't do it. >> Do you have any advice for me or for audience members who want to get deeper on the UFO stuff? They want to >> more kind of discrete truths, what's actually going on cuz you hear all these differing things that are often mutually exclusive. >> Oh, yeah. >> From all the whole cast of, you know, motley crew of characters. Is there a source that you really trust when it comes to UFO stuff?

>> Oh, a few. but they're individuals. >> Who are they? >> Are they they're not public? >> They're not public, they're private. >> Oh, absolutely. my friend that was in charge of the technology transferred. Uh You know, I'll never give his name. >> That's amazing. >> Who's in charge of technology transfer from the ETs? >> From one of the ETs.

>> From one of the groups of ETs. >> Would you ever know it with him? Was he just like kind of a humble like under the radar? >> I'd go visit him and he'd say, "Len, you got to come see my new toys." >> Why do you think he was so open with you about all this stuff? Presumably he kept it secret. >> Oh, he basically knew who I was and my background and all that. So. >> He knew your high-level clearances and your history. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> It's fascinating. Well, I want to know more.

>> I really >> Everybody does. >> Do you think that the public has a right to know more? Do you think it's it's at all destabilizing or there's like a reason to slow it down? Like why not? >> say when in doubt classify and so too much gets classified. >> I agree. >> And um >> Like why can't we know about the ET tech transfer program? That sounds awesome. >> Yeah. And um you know, all you hear is wild rumors about it. Like who invented Velcro, you know? And uh

uh the thing is that um public involved. They just mess everything up. Uh other things is um you don't want sometimes religion involved or politics involved or whatever. >> And for another thing, many times it wouldn't do any good for

whether people know it or not. and you know, some of the secret stuff that's kept secret is wonderful. Everybody should know about it. There are other stuff that I hope that I hope nobody ever finds out about. >> Yeah, that anybody who thinks that nothing should be classified, I mean that's that's ridiculous. Like atomic trade secrets should obviously be classified. I you know, honestly if you know, to the extent that

like at the higher levels of remote viewing ability, you can do damage to other people, I would hope that never comes out. I mean that's a really scary >> And, you know, like they said in World War II, loose lips sink ships. >> There you go. Well, Lynn, I really appreciate this, man. This is a lot of fun. It was very, kind of comprehensive. >> I think we kind of went all over the place here, but I think >> I enjoyed talking to you. >> Yeah, and I have ADD, so

and I love talking to you, too. >> So, no, this was an absolute blast. You're full of knowledge and insights. >> Well, I'd like to plug my book, which is The Seventh Sense, by me. >> Get it on Amazon. >> Uh on Amazon, and um sixth sense is your ambience, >> what you feel in the room around you. That's a real sense. >> How you feeling sixth sense >> is when I can feel what's going on in

the Kremlin. >> And that's your seventh sense. but also on TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram, uh I have a growing series of short little three-minute things that explain all the all the aspects of controlled remote viewing remote viewing and all that. >> That's awesome. Is it Is it just at Lynn Buchanan or what Do you know what the handle is?

>> it's um inside remote viewing, all one word. >> Check out >> inside remote viewing. >> Check out inside remote viewing, >> TikTok, Instagram, >> X, maybe Twitter. >> Oh, no, just these three. >> Okay, check out TikTok, Instagram, YouTube at inside >> inside remote viewing. >> inside remote viewing, check it out. >> Also, I have a course that I teach and it's the full course of the remote viewing, controlled remote viewing,

created by Ingo Swann and used by the military for all these years for intelligence collection, now being used for businesses, um for police work, for institutions, for research and >> What's that website? >> Uh it's um c r v i e w e r c r viewer Check it out and you told me off air that some of your students are getting

amazing results akin to or better than some of your past >> Some are doing better than we ever did in the military. >> That's amazing. >> And um the um uh course is on a uh course platform, educational platform called Kajabi. >> Uh you get permanent access to it when you sign up. I don't believe in any of this stuff of, you know, every 6 months you pay for a re- I don't believe in that. Um you get

permanent access and we have webinars where we go over people's work. We talk about things that aren't in the course and things like that. >> If levels 6 through I forgot what it was, 11 are, you know, kind of classified but you were given access to that, how are people in the civilian world able to >> No, I give um I give access to stages 1 through 7. So how do they get better results with that than the higher?

>> Uh they're they're getting more accurate than we were. >> It's amazing. Uh >> But you were saying that, you know, some of the more you know, kind of uh spooky stuff goes on at level 7 through >> level 8 through 18, yeah. >> Uh And that's not taught to the public. But pure on pure accuracy, all you need is one through seven and you can get more accurate than people who know one through 18.

>> Got it. Interesting. Okay. Cool. Just wanted to clarify there. Leave no stone unturned. >> Thanks Lynn. I appreciate this. Um, this was awesome. I really appreciate all you may you have an amazing history and >> It's an honor being invited. Thank you very much. >> Well, it's an honor to have you. I'm you know, I'm easily interviewer. >> I'm glad to >> I'm glad to finally meet you, too. >> Well, likewise, man. No, this is a full circle moment. I you were really going to be and I'm glad because I I

didn't know much at the time, but you were going to be the first American Alchemist. And now you're I know so much more and so that we can have a better conversation, but this is a full circle moment. It's very cool. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you.