David Grusch goes public (NewsNation, 5 June 2023)

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David Grusch under oath, 26 July 2023
David Grusch, the former intelligence officer whose June 2023 NewsNation interview alleged a hidden retrieval programme, shown testifying to Congress the following month. Frame from the House recording · context for the interview, which remains with NewsNation.
U.S. House Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, an · 2023 ↗Public domain — US government workLicence terms ↗Jesse Michels · 0:16:26
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American Alchemy / Jesse Michels ↗YouTube-hosted preview and player; not relicensedJesse Michels · 0:31:21
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American Alchemy / Jesse Michels ↗YouTube-hosted preview and player; not relicensedRyan Graves · 0:38:23
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American Alchemy / Jesse Michels ↗YouTube-hosted preview and player; not relicensedOn 5 June 2023 The Debrief published a report by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal and NewsNation aired an interview by Ross Coulthart in which former intelligence officer David Grusch said the US government holds intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin and had concealed the program from Congress. In the corpus Grusch discusses the Coulthart interview.
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What was reported. Grusch, who served on the UAP Task Force for the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and the National Reconnaissance Office, said colleagues with first-hand knowledge told him of a decades-long crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program, that recoveries included non-human biologics, and that he had filed a whistleblower complaint over reprisals. He said he had given names and locations to the Inspector General and to Congress in classified settings. (FACT about the testimony; SPECULATION about the world.)
What followed. The House Oversight Committee called a hearing for 26 July 2023; Senators Schumer and Rounds introduced disclosure legislation the following month. (FACT.)
What the corpus adds. In his episode Grusch is asked about the Nancy Mace exchange on biologics and about Coulthart asking him about pilots emerging from craft. Another episode summarizes his career and the claim of programs in deep black compartments. Ryan Graves says Grusch did the job the Task Force gave him and reported what he found. (FACT about testimony.)
Explanations offered. Skeptics note that all of Grusch's knowledge is second-hand and that no material has been produced; supporters cite the Inspector General's credibility finding and his security clearances. (INFERENCE.)
The event
| Date | |
|---|---|
| Place | 40.7128, -74.0060 approximate · United States |
| Official response | The Intelligence Community Inspector General found Grusch's complaint credible and urgent in 2022; the Pentagon said AARO had not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that programs to possess or reverse-engineer extraterrestrial materials exist. |
Reported by
- David Grusch military former NGA officer, UAP Task Force representative
- Ross Coulthart journalist NewsNation interviewer
- Leslie Kean journalist The Debrief co-author
Investigated by
- intelligence community inspector general government
Who spoke about it later
- David Grusch 0:16:26 If You Still Think UFOs Are Fake, Watch This (David Grusch Interview) ▶ 2023
- Jesse Michels 0:31:21 Did Oppenheimer Work on UFOs? ▶ 2024
- Ryan Graves 0:38:23 US Fighter Pilots Witness UFO (ft. Ryan Graves) ▶ 2024
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If You Still Think UFOs Are Fake, Watch This (David Grusch Interview) 11 September 2023
- 0:16:26 ▶ Jesse Michels
Ross Coulthart in the News Nation interview asked you about pilots coming out of these crafts. Do you want to just speak to that a little bit?
- 0:16:26 ▶ interview
- 0:16:26 ▶ Jesse Michels
Did Oppenheimer Work on UFOs? 19 October 2024
- 0:31:21 ▶ Jesse Michels
part of the UAP task force to look into UFOs and he basically uncovered what he claims to be uh these kind of decades long uh UFO reverse engineering programs in deep black compartments of the
- 0:31:21 ▶ interview
- 0:31:21 ▶ Jesse Michels
US Fighter Pilots Witness UFO (ft. Ryan Graves) 6 December 2024
- 0:38:23 ▶ Ryan Graves
I respect David Grush. Yep. I he was tasked to do a job with the UAP task force and that was the job to understand and uncover this information and he did it to the best of his ability and he
- 0:38:23 ▶ interview
- 0:38:23 ▶ Ryan Graves
On the map
David Grusch goes public (NewsNation, 5 June 2023), House Oversight UAP hearing (26 July 2023), Schumer–Rounds UAP Disclosure Act and its December 2023 cut, AARO Historical Record Report, Volume I, Jake Barber crash-retrieval account (NewsNation, January 2025). Open the full map filtered to this record.
Sources on this record
- 0:16:26 If You Still Think UFOs Are Fake, Watch This (David Grusch Interview) · Jesse Michels ▶
Ross Coulthart in the News Nation interview asked you about pilots coming out of these crafts. Do you want to just speak to that a little bit?
- 0:31:21 Did Oppenheimer Work on UFOs? · Jesse Michels ▶
part of the UAP task force to look into UFOs and he basically uncovered what he claims to be uh these kind of decades long uh UFO reverse engineering programs in deep black compartments of the
- 0:38:23 US Fighter Pilots Witness UFO (ft. Ryan Graves) · Ryan Graves ▶
I respect David Grush. Yep. I he was tasked to do a job with the UAP task force and that was the job to understand and uncover this information and he did it to the best of his ability and he
- Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin
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