Peru’s Three Fingered “Aliens” (WTF Are These?!)

disclosure is happening in Latin America. Thanks to our amazing friend Michael Mazola, who's coming out with an epic documentary on the mummies later this summer. That documentary is going to be called This Is Not a Hoax. And please pre-order his book, Catastrophic Disclosure, which I am linking in the description. We got a front row seat to this entire thing. We were able to go to Peru and see three of the most interesting tridactyl beings, Monzerat, Sebastian, and Santiago. One of my best friends and fellow UFO freak, Amomar Candal from the massive and very

inspirational YouTube channel, Yes Theory, decided to join me on this trip. There's a mutation in one of those genes that could cause changes in digit development. It has a fetus inside the body. Oh my god. And the hand and the feets of these features are also tractor. Never in the 8 years I've been researching have I mentioned or said the word extraterrestrial. Never we are talking about humanoid species. Just from an anthropology perspective that should be the most

fascinating thing. Graphic evidence of tridacti exists all over planet earth. Everything came from a single place. This name comes from the word in the Nazca language laboratory where cloning and hybridization were done. These bodies connect the connectment technology. But if I want to use the technology for reverse engineering, then I prefer to hide the bodies and use it for war. Right?

We have caught the Peruvian government and Ministry of Culture in multiple instances of bad faith acting around this case. For some reason, they don't want this case to see the light of day. I put a lawsuit against them for $300 million. I repeat, that one is fake. I'm doing something real and important and I I'm not a liar. [Music] And if you watch this entire episode and wait until the end, you'll see how we're using state-of-the-art ancient DNA analysis techniques to definitively

tell you the beings that we're looking at. Maybe we can solve this mystery once and for all. [Music] Before [Music] the Incans, ancient Peru was home to other more mysterious cultures. The Paracas until 100 BC and the Nazca people from 100 to 800 CE. The Nazca region in southern

Peru is named after these Nazca people because it's where they primarily lived. It's currently over a thousand square miles and contains only around 80,000 people. Nazca culture historically has been known for a few different things. Unique religious practices often involving ritual offerings, trophy heads, and shamanic rights. Polychrome pottery with highly stylized mythological motifs and of course mythological cave art.

One of the most prominent archaeological sites uh is a petroglyph of uh what can be interpreted as a tridactyl. Three-fingered and toad beings are everywhere. Just look at this Nazca cave art and these woven fabrics. Then of course you have these massive geoglyphs known as the Nazca lines. Large scale drawings

spanning up to 30 m long etched directly into the desert floor. When you go to Nazca, when you see these drawings from the ground, they are not so hard to be made. The only thing that will be controversial is for whom they made these drawings. Why? Okay. Because the only thing for sure is that these drawings were made to be seen from the sky. They only make sense

150 to 500 m in the air, which is far higher than any of the closest vantage points on the ground. So unless you have some aerial flying object, the line configurations and the figures they depict are literally incomprehensible to you. Anybody who says that this can be appreciated in its full form the way we're standing right now, they're out to lunch. To see the finished product is only from up there. Eric von Danigan, author of Chariots of the Gods,

thought that they were tributes to ancient alien astronauts, an extraterrestrial group that seated human civilization. I have no idea if Danakin is right, and I don't really have any hard evidence to believe he is. But you have to admit, one of these Nazca lines looks kind of like an astronaut. and another in Chile depicts a being with three fingers. Nonetheless, the question remains, why would humans build megalithic structures up to 30 m

long that only make sense a few hundred meters in the air, higher than the highest local peak? Why are there no excavation roads leading up to the main carvings, which presumably would have been necessary given all of the displaced earth, even if they were using modern civil engineering techniques? And then finally, why are there frequent UFO sightings in this area?

The final thing that the Nazca and Paracus people practiced were cranial deformationation or skull elongation rituals. Cranial deformation is a deliberate reshaping of the skull using wooden boards, cloth bindings, or head frames often done to infants resulting in permanently elongated conicle or flattened skulls. These rituals conferred status onto the recipients of the elongation. It often represented an initiation into a priestly class. It denoted

nobility and in many cases it also seemed to be an attempt to imitate the gods. Well, and also across cultures how they have cranial deformationation techniques to mimic the quote unquote gods that are present. Yeah. I mean, who was the first like king to call for monotheism in Egypt, he had he had a weird guy. Yeah. Yeah. And where does the skull elongation come from? We don't really know. We don't know why it arrived right then. So, it's like this little

the wall and then it fell apart and I could see this cave full of datoms. I started to dig to dig and dig and big clumps began to emerge that when they melted revealed that they were heads and parts of of the bodies. The cave contained over 200 body parts, isolated heads, limbs, and appendages, and in many cases,

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one finger or the other finger. No, there are three. That's a CT scan. Yeah. Yeah. There's no way. You can't fake that. I mean, I don't need to be a forensics expert to say that that's if that's a real image. There's no way that that's fake.

[Music] dude. Look at the fingers. Look at the fingers here. That's like the realest. Oh my god. [Music] At this point, you are probably convinced that these aren't art pieces glued together like Flavio Estrada and the Peruvian Ministry of Culture claim. They seem a whole lot like organisms that

are anatomically self-consistent. Just look at the image reconstructions from the CAT scans. [Music] You have great independent researchers like Gonzalo Chavez who helped set up tridactyls.org pointing out that the diccom files made public. If

McDow saw the bodies in person. He was joined by Jim Caruso, the chief medical examiner for Denver and a forensic pathologist. A former medical officer in the Navy for decades, Caruso has dozens of peer-reviewed scientific papers and has personally performed over 300 autopsies. Another person who isn't a stranger to autopsies is Dr. David Ruiz. He's the president of the Peruvian Society of Legal Medicine. So he's kind of the equivalent of McDow in Peru. I

have been president of the Peruvian Society of Legal Medicine, right? It's equivalent to Macd as a doctor as you call it a conventional doctor we see scans and MRIs and images all the time. I mean we realize when there is something something real or something something unreal. He takes things even farther than McDow confidently claiming that these are

nonhuman but very real beings and that the predactives have been visiting us for thousands of years. We invite the scientists of the world, the professors, the professionals from different universities to be a little more interested in knowing this. Never in the 8 years I've been researching have I mentioned or said the word extraterrestrial. Never. We are talking about humanoid species. We are talking about perhaps a hommininit like us a

threefingered homminit. The word extraterrestrials has been used by the scientists who do not want to investigate. the archaeologist who resist accepting this and try to discredit it. They call them fake extraterrestrial mummies. And then you have chief of the medical division for the Mexican Navy, Joseé Zce. He joins Ruiz, but he goes even farther than him, saying not only are the bodies definitely real organisms. He speculates that the beings are so

genetically dissimilar to humans, that they might be extraterrestrial. In the big bodies like Maria, the DNA show us that there were around 70% known DNA, but there were 30 30% completely different. You're probably already thinking, Jesse, these were already proven to be a complete hoax. Why are you platforming this ridiculous topic? While the only reason you think that these

are a hoax is because a journalist, remember the guy who was talking about UFO sightings around the Nazca lines, a guy named Manuel Caceras made wooden figurines that he glued together dedicated to the Nazca mummies to sell to tourists. These little trinkets, pieces of touristic art meant to resemble the real mumies. These were confiscated at the Lima airport in 2023. I repeat, that one is fake. It's craftsmanship constructed, built. In early 2024, Reuters

published this about the Nazca mummies. They're not extraterrestrials. They're dolls made from animal bones from this planet joined together with modern synthetic glue, said Flavio Estrada. But that ridiculous conflation between these wooden figurines and these real anatomically consistent whole bodies was reported on by Reuters and other esteemed legacy publications. And it's the sole reason so many people in the Western world are so sure this story is fake. It's at that point that

the story became a laughingstock. Here we are. Oh, I love this. I love these two of them. What is that? I don't know, Jesse. Man, bro, shit's getting real, bro. The real story is that this gravedigger, Leandro, found the bodies in 2015. So, this must have been completely full of bodies. Leandro does shamanic tours in the local region. He lives behind a chicken coupe and is linked with

some interesting local organizations. In 2016, he met a French explorer of ancient Incan lost cities named Theory Yamin. Yamin is an explorer from another era, a real life Indiana Jones. In this case, trying to find El Dorado. Yamin and his Enari Institute have been spearheading a lot of research around these three-fingered beings, or as they're known, triactyls, since that time. Crazy. Crazy. Wow. So, right now they're showing us the moment,

the exact moment they discovered that uh she was pregnant when they were doing the scans because it happens live. So, that's what they're showing us right now. Perhaps one of the wildest revelations. Monzerat, one of these tridactyl Mtype homminidike beings, might also have a fetus inside of it. That is a threefingered tridactyl being. This would imply a genetic match and phenotypic inheritance between a baby and a mother.

Wow. So if you had the tomography, the x-rays, the 3D reconstruct, you had all of that, say take out the 3D reconstructions, you just had the the raw measurement data that you got. Yes. If you sent that to a normal doctor, you know, who is used to evaluating the health of a fetus in a in a womb of any mother, would they say, "Oh, that baby only has three fingers." Yes. Wow. Yes. If if that if

that they would be able to spot it. A conventional doctor has has the curiosity to be very careful, he will say this baby has three fingers in the hands and in the their feet. So it would be easy for a conventional doctor to spot. Yes. Wow. She when when she passed away was pregnant. She had a prominent belly and of course the amnutic fluid is water and that that is lost more.

any line of artificial deformation. And are are we noticing that the the the the skull is also big? See? Okay. So, it's so they are born big then. It's not like a a manipulation over the skull. Now, if that's not weird enough, there's a genetic mutation that dictates digit differences, anomalous numbers of fingers and toes. This genetic mutation does that in humans. This mutation was apparently found in the NCBI database holding the genetic data on these Peruvian Nazca

mummies. Just listen to biioinformatics expert Elena Hardy on what she found. One of the things I did find uh and I kind of stumbled across was I actually went to falsify the hypothesis that there was a genetic mutation that could cause changes in digit development. Right? So I went into the literature. I found a list of like 50 genes involved in the pathway. Sonic Hedgehog is the one that everybody has heard of. Right? This is one of the Sonic Hedgehog pathways. There's a mutation in

one of those genes called GLI3 where a similar kind of mutation is associated in the literature with polyendactyli. So like the fusion of fingers or extra or extra digits. Um and so that's really interesting. It doesn't have anything to do with tried but it's like not a super common mutation. You know it's like you wouldn't it's it's it was enough to make me go huh. And wasn't there a study of like a Chinese family that has this group as well? Yeah, some of the members of that family

who have that mutation have everything from like developmental disabilities to these digits like disorders of digit development. And this was like a mutation that comes from like one side like either the mother mother or the father. Um and so you can have this effect with just one side of the family passing on this gene. You don't need two copies of it, right? There there are other like mutation, right? Isn't there like there's some tribe in Africa with like ostrich feet? There are these mutations that are maybe even rendered adaptive in certain environments and they sort

of persist over time. And so it could just be that which would be remarkable unto itself. I don't think this obscure genetic mutation is even widely known in the genetics community and it's definitely not known by the Wiiro gravediggers who dug up the bodies in the first place. So, if you could replicate the finding of that mutation, that would be a big deal. At this point, I don't think the question is, are these beings real or fake? They are clearly real beings.

Seeing the mummies in person was wild, but I had been hearing so much about this guy behind this story. Haime MSAN, the supposed charlatan hoaxer. Jesse, don't go to Peru. You're going to ruin your brand. Haime is a known hoaxer. I can't tell you how many texts I've gotten like that. I needed to meet the man myself and see what he was all about. I honestly loved Haime. Haime is independently very wealthy. He lives in one of the most beautiful houses on the border of a national park right outside Mexico City and is on a quest to prove that extraterrestrial

life is real. When we finish, I'll show you the spear. I can't wait. So excited. Yeah, my friend. You feel it? You feel it? You feel this is not [ __ ] real. This is something else. This is so crazy. A few days before visiting Himemeay, he happened to have recovered an aluminum object of which he had over 4 minutes of video flying around Bugo, Colombia. The object appears to drop below the trees and get retrieved on the forest floor. But he said it weighs 2 kilos,

4 lb, and then now weighs 10 kilos. Haime is a bit more sure of this boggosphere than I am. The sphere is fascinating. It seems to be made of an aluminum alloy, three times the hardness of aerospace grade aluminum. They claim it exhibits electromagnetic anomalies. I think there are some decent debunks here and my brain was already fully broken by the mummies. So, write a comment if you have any hot takes on the bugosphere and we'll do a follow-up episode on it. But the point is, while I don't agree with Haime on everything, I love his energy and I think he is actually

inviting real scientific scrutiny on these things. He can speak in absolutes and isn't always nuanced as I might shake out on certain UFO cases. The bodies are real. The bodies are real. The bodies are real. Uh, the bodies are real. Yeah, he doesn't like to engage in lofty theoretical conversations about this stuff. I'm more interested in weird science and abstract theory, but I didn't sense any cynicism or intellectual disingenuousness from him. If anything, I found him to be a boldly stated amateur explorer of a bygone era, just trying to show the public what

he's seen. He genuinely believes that the Nazca beings are extraterrestrial. And I found him to be extremely generous, not territorial, and very open with all of his findings. He took the tomography scans of this ball and then gave us the password to look at the results the same day. So generous of Hime to just give us the login and password. I find out. Help me. we will. He

clearly just wants the truth out and he doesn't care if it's out on his platform or others. I think the time has come to to accept that we have been visited for a long long time. Why do people say you're a hoaxer? Because I have the balls to present things. You know, it's so easy to be in the back and criticize everything. If you have the courage to present things, then you are going to risk yourself. You are going to expose yourself. Anybody credible in the scientific community,

would you guys like to invite them to Mexico City? And I mean, if you want this to be recognized by humanity, yeah, anybody should come. And I think the best experts are welcome. I don't want to welcome anyone who comes here just with idea to destroy the thing to construct to find you know it doesn't have to tell us what we want to hear they want to find out the truth if they are looking for the truth you are welcome anyone [Music] now I know what you're thinking maybe these people just

want their 15 seconds of fame but if you really think about these people's credentials they have more to lose than to gain. They're all fairly well off financially and they're very credentialed. Haime is now suing the Peruvian government for $300 million for defamation because of their claim that he's pushing a hoax. And we'll have to remember I I put a lawsuit against them for $300 million. Wow. Have you invested any personal money to keep I cannot tell you. Okay. Cannot tell

you. But uh but yeah, the Peruvian government was completely against this case, especially up until September 2024 when they've started to tacitly endorse research at the University of Eeka that might actually indicate that these bodies are real. The point is until then, Ruiz could have faced serious backlash for his involvement with the case. Just look at what the Peruvian Ministry of Culture did to Joyce Mantia during one of the press conferences around the bodies.

While we were down there, they raided the press conference. I don't know if you heard or saw about that, but they brought in federal police, federal prosecutors, and the Ministry of Culture actually took over the microphone while he was up on the deis getting ready to speak. I asked my buddy Pavle from the great podcast Activo what his take was. Pavle, thank you so much for being here. You've been covering this for years, uh, well before it's even started to be kind of more dstigmatized. He's thoroughly documented the Peruvian Ministry of Cultures slow shift on the

Nazca mummy's case. The concessions they're now starting to make, they seem to be walking back their early hardline denials. when Haime started doing the whole lawsuit stuff and that forced the Peruvian Ministry of Culture and the the Peruvian government to take this a little more seriously. And just listen to what happened to Zay when he was working for the Mexican Navy when he got involved with the mummies. I spent uh around five days in jail because they they said I I was

a liar and I was putting in risk the honorability of of the whole system of the Navy. He saved me, please do not continue the investigation of the mummies. And I say I can stop doing that because I believe I'm doing something real and important and I I'm not a liar. So I have to demonstrate to the world that it was real. But what about the cave or tunnel where these bodies were found? Michael

Maza admits that Leandro may have taken him to the wrong location. So, we found maybe a human hands here. Like, I don't believe it. No, it was a different cave. You think it was a different cave? Straight up. And there are plenty of financial incentives to keep this cave's location under wraps. My theory is he's been showing people this cave to make money. He charges about three grand of his tour. For a tour to go see this cave. We did not participate. Yeah. Good. The cave

that he's brought people to did not hold these bodies. There's no way. The cave's too small. A few different anonymous sources revealed to me that the actual source of these bodies is a large subterranean tunnel system. These sources, some of whom don't even know each other, didn't want to reveal their identities publicly due to fear of retribution from the local cartels. And to be honest, I found them very believable. I also think that made a lot of sense from a

self-preservation standpoint. So, while I don't always love anonymous sources making bold claims, I have to respect that. There are also a lot of people in and around these tunnel systems that say they see and hear weird things at night. Strange noises coming out of the tunnels, beings that don't seem to walk like humans, and other anomalous observations. So, we might just have a live situation on our hands. And what about so-called Lazarus species? Species that the academic consensus thought were extinct and then get rediscovered. Some of

them are millions of years old. One example people speculate about is the Orang Pend in Indonesia. There's a thing called the Orang Pend. Have you ever heard of that? No. What is that? They think I believe it's Indonesia and maybe Vietnam uh where people talk about these little tiny hairy people that live in the jungle. Whoa. And so these Flores things, there's there's a few biologists that believe these things are still alive. Interesting. They think even on the island of Flores, they might still be alive. And again,

the Nazca region is over a thousand square miles and currently contains only 80,000 or so people. It's the perfect place for a groundbreaking discovery like this to have occurred. This also isn't the only subterranean tunnel system in the world. There are subterranean tunnel systems all over the world. Some are ancient like these ones in modern Turkey documented by the great Graham Hancock. This is quite a famous phenomenon in in Turkey that there are huge cities. They look like

ant farms on an enormous scale that are dug out under the earth. hundreds and hundreds of rooms that huge efforts was put into digging deep beneath the earth and creating these shelters. We have this concept of this coming from another planet, but it might not be from another planet. Yeah, it might be from here like the underground those tunnels and caverns in Turkey where they have this immense underground civilization or city rather and it almost felt like maybe they were hiding out from a cataclysm or something. And that's what they think it was. Yeah. So

imagine if there's some breakoff civilization where they lived I mean we're talking hundreds of thousands of years ago but they're different than us and you know sometimes they come visit. But there are weirder ones surrounded by rumors of weird inhabitants or artifacts. Take the Teaos cave system at the edge of the Ecuadorian Amazon. There's a legend attached to these caves which involves a metal library made of gold. It supposedly contains an ancient

alien metallic library. The existence of this library gained so much traction in elite circles that Neil Armstrong, that's right, the Neil Armstrong who was the first man to walk on the moon was so interested in it that he took a BBC film crew looking for it in 1976. Why would Neil Armstrong look for aliens on Earth after going to the moon? That's a question for another American Alchemy episode, but it shows at the very least that he had confidence that he might find something interesting there. There are also deep underground military bases across

the United States and sometimes ones rumored to house other beings at S4 Area 51 or Dolce, New Mexico. These represent the more out there myths in ufology from Phil Schneider, Bob Lazar, and Dan Berish involving an American space program that is co-run with the alien beings themselves. We went to another part of the of the facility, went to another building. In that building, we went into an elevator. We took an elevator down, which that was the first odd thing is that it felt like we went down significantly further than like you would think you would. I I mean,

it was just awkward. It just stood out. But even if you don't believe any of those stories, there's a ton of real documentation of deep underground military bases across the United States from hardcore researchers like the great Richard Solder. But listen to what the had to say about the general region that the mummies were likely found in. And there is a little book published in 2004 by a local author from Nazca that talked about various sites in the Nazca

area. And it precisely talks about this area and mentions the name of the site where the discovery was made. And uh it says that this name comes from from the word such uh in the Nazca language. And in conclusion uh it means laboratory where cloning and hybridization were done. [Music] Now how did they appear? There is no precedent. There isn't. There are no three

toad hominins. However, upon finding that their DNA may have been mixed with genetic technology. If you go back 1,800 years, it's crazy. It is likely that a civilization more advanced than ours made that genetic mix. And it is likely its creators are probably from elsewhere.

So, were these beings laboratory experiments evidence of a hidden hand guiding Darwinian evolution? And here's where things get weirder. Many of these Mtype or homminid beings contain implants. And it's uh pulling up the neck. It's squeezing. This is the X-ray. This is the neck x-ray. But here is a cervical traumatic injury. But the injury has been before they put the So then it's not because of the plate. So the plate could have been to like repair or correct. These metal implants contain

osmium and cadmium which are extremely rare earth metals. Osmium is so rare that it's 1,500 times rarer than gold and 2500 times rarer than silver. Only about 100 kg to one ton of osmium is extracted globally every year. For reference, 100 kg is roughly the weight of a newborn elephant. And a small car like a Honda Civic weighs around a ton. It's an extremely rare element. But perhaps the weirdest thing about osmium and cadmium is that they were only officially discovered by the

Western world in the 19th century, but they're being found on implants in bodies that carbonate to over a thousand years ago. The rare metal implants have organic tissues fused to them in the bodies, indicating that the beings were alive when the implants were placed. This process of organic tissue fusing is called oio integration. I decided to have a little fun and ask chat GPT how hypothetically osmium would be used as medical implants. It did say that osmium if oxidized could

be toxic, but underground oxygen is much lower. So something like osmium would oxidize way less quickly. But then I came up with the idea that osmium would make a great brain machine interface material. I sat down with population geneticist Alan Earas who had his own theory about the metal implants inside these beings. There's this thing called bio electricity that can sort of modulate where genes get expressed at which locations really precisely. And so maybe like if I'm trying

to be like really exotic like maybe these things are are modulating some sort of gene expression to to make the beings into what they are. It's fascinating. Maybe there's a chance that they're they're like minimally genetically al altered and and the rest of the alteration is at another layer of the phenotype which is uh could be this bio electricity layer. Interestingly, osmium and cadmium have also been found on meteorites from space.

After we left Mexico City, another hearing took place there. This time with an American congressman present, Representative Eric Berles from Missouri. According to Berles, UFO whistleblower David Grush told him that the beings in Nazca resembled things that Grush had seen in classified settings. Whenever I spoke with David Grush, who was the whistleblower from the UA from the Pentagon that studied this stuff, um I was actually probably not going to go because I thought that that there's no way that that's real. and he he recommended that I

do because he said that based on the physiology of what he's seen in some of these mummies, not all of them, some of them are faked, but some of the mummies that exist in in Peru that based on the physiology, they are congruent with what he has seen in in briefings in his former role. And remember the beings in Virginia, Brazil, and James Fox's amazing movie Moment of Contact, they also had three fingers, the episode that became known as the Barc.

crude two-dimensional drawing, but this is jungle here. This was the craft, and it it was embedded uh in in in the rock like this. Although no lights were visible from behind the hatch, Wagant did observe what appeared to be a four-fingered arm hanging limply from the open hatch. And listen to what Dr. David Ruiz had to say about these beings. Our interview taking a hard left turn. One of the governments most interested in hiding things is the one that does the most reverse

engineering and those have been all the things that happened during the cold war era. These bodies connect they connect with technology. If I accept the bodies, I will accept the technology. But if I want to use the technology for reverse engineering and have supremacy over planet earth, then I prefer to hide the bodies, do hidden reverse engineering and use it for war, right?

Okay, but before we get too excited, there's some real issues around this case. Number one, the provenence. This was found by a grave robber, a werro that probably does some other somewhat dishonest things for a living. They're likely the result of grave robbers taking these ancestral burial, these individuals from their burial sites and then using them to make and sell these things on the open market. See, the tough thing about the involvement of these weros and the global cartels they're associated with is that their involvement is simple. They want to make money,

but what their involvement means is not. If the underlying bodies were real or fake, they'd want to make knockoffs and maximize profits by selling new bodies to elites all over the world on the black market. No matter what, if the bodies were real, they'd sell the bodies and make knockoffs resembling the real ones. And if the bodies were fake but looked real, they'd also sell them. So, I'm sure these black market sales are happening. And that fact alone should give anyone making bold claims around this case a healthy dose of humility.

But I'm just not sure that fact adds any signal to the noise. This crime syndicate involvement is the part of the case I was most afraid of discussing. It's awkward and adds a real element of danger for anyone covering it. But at the end of the day, if you're a WOR and you're watching this, don't be mad at me. All I'm saying is I'm genuinely not sure what's going on. And the price of these things are probably going up as we speak. Yeah, this is art. If someone made this, I need to

buy one. How much do I get? I've heard seven figures. Seven figures. I've heard it's a lot of money. Um Jeez Louise. You know, it's a long hike up one of these uh small mountains into a cave that I'm convinced has nothing to do with the location. And so, initially, he was saying, "Hey, I found this underground citadel like almost like a temple." And they were in there and they were inside a stone sarcophagi. That was the initial story. Then it changed to no, they were found in this cave. Do you trust him? Did you get a good Not even a little bit. Not even a little bit. He

tried to charge me $1,500 just to interview him. So this must have been completely full of bodies. It was all up to the ceiling. All all was full. So she need to like car like is very soft. He didn't use any

like a lot to rush crash was like here in the wind. Yeah. As you can see from the cave itself, it looks like it can barely fit one person inside of it, let alone 200 body parts, appendages, heads, and full intact bodies. Number two, one of the isolated heads that look exactly like one of the J-type bodies seems to have alpaca proteins all over it. A proteomics expert who I interviewed but chose to remain

anonymous given the controversies around the case and nent nature of his findings said this to me. There was an early hypothesis that these could be an alpaca brain case and there's a published paper about CT showing CT scan data showing these morphological similarities to an alpaca brain case. Uh I ran card proteomic analysis on these got back these peptide sequences which reflect um the DNA sequences. Then I used a pipeline from a paper published in nature two or three years ago um about species identification of ancient bone sample and I ran these all of these bone samples

from the skull through uh this pipeline and they all came back identified as alpaca bone whether the attached parts the main body of the skull all of it came back as alpaca bone. Number three, UFO researcher Steve Meera told me that two different finger bones of one of the M types, Maria, were genetically tested in Sri Lanka. He said that one of the fangi bones came back male, the other came back female. If that's true, that obviously throws a wrench in things if you're looking for an anatomically consistent singular organism. Ancient DNA is very tricky,

and they've done some DNA work on some of these bodies that come out all over the map. the the DNA of Maria we have two two option 70% known 30% unknown okay from from this that 70% that we we can identify from that we identify three specific DNA one from chimpanze bonobo one from another

type of chimpanzeee from Africa and one type from the south Asian human primat interested. So what the relation between these three different types of DNA in the DNA of Maria in the South American. So even in the known DNA, it's a combination that you would never see. It's so exotic. Number four, the signal the noise with the genetics. A lot of people are talking about genetics who aren't

really geneticists. Zay, who's a forensics guy, is really basing his understanding of the being's genome here off of another guy, Dr. David Ranell. My hypothesis is that Maria is a hybrid, but natural. What are the two species? It's a hybrid of what and what? What are the two species that created it originally? There is a great possibility that approximately 2,500 years ago,

which is uh the new datings of human remains that have been found in Asia that this early human still wild may have migrated to Africa and in Africa encounter those uh organisms. 250,000 years ago, there was still a reminiscence of both the origin of paniscos and petroglodites. Ranel also says that a parasite that is only found in Africa was found in one of these beings,

further corroborating his theory. And so you think she's a natural hybrid between Asia and African ancestors. What I don't understand is how do you get three fingers and three toes and an elongated skull and different eyes and the phenotype is so different due to the evolutionary history that this organism had in Africa where what we are finding are physiological adaptations for arboreal life. It has three fingers. uh it has an extra falank that makes them longer and and

this allows for better adaptation to grasp tree branches. This is a very similar adaptation to what is observed in sloths which also have three fingers. But here the interesting thing is to know how it was transferred to South America. If it was transferred 1,700 years ago, could there have been a cultural and commercial exchange between Africa and America 1,700 years ago? That is the question.

The idea that Asia and not Africa is the cradle of mankind and that Africa and South America may have had contact before the concistadors in the 15th century. If you add up the chances of all of these being true combined, the theory in aggregate does feel a little far-fetched to me. Although I do not doubt Ronell's integrity for a second. Finally, remember Flavio Estrada, that archaeologist that conflated the wooden figurines confiscated at the Lima airport with the mummies in 2023? Well,

yeah, doing that was absolutely ridiculous. But he's gone on to do some more legitimate debunking after that attempt. Uh they use um cotton in the supposed joints. Uh they apply these fast drying synthetic adhesives. Uh the udu they use cyanoacrylates and it gives it quite an interesting hardness. Right. He now says that the fingers on the Mtypes were deliberately mutilated and the remaining ones were lengthened. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether he's shown his hand as a bad actor with his original statements around the glued together wooden figurines. I'd welcome

him to come on my show. The government of Peru through the Ministry of Culture is committed to confiscating the so-called Nazca mommies. Here's why I personally don't trust the Peruvian government and think people like Estrada are just bad faith actors. Many of these beings are currently being researched at the University of Eeka. When the vice president of the university, Martin Alcron, was interviewed, he said that the Peruvian government is constantly trying

to take the mummies away from the university. And they make it seem like I was a grave robber. So stupid. He also said that the government has made repeated claims that wellrespected scientists like Dr. Roger Zuniga, who's studying the bodies at the University of Eeka, are themselves grave robbers manipulating human remains. A ridiculous claim that implies a clear bad faith motive on the part of the Peruvian government. On seven occasions, they came with first with police with a prosecutor and all that. The intention,

I don't know why, was to take these bodies and the university had to fight for them to stay. First of all, these beings belong to the people of Peru. This is Peru's cultural heritage and it's a shame that it's being denied up to this point by the Peruvian government, but that's actually changing. Another point in the direction that the J types are fake reconstructions is that morphologically they just don't look super adaptive like they

can walk super well or be very agile. Some are potentially real, warrant further investigation, and in others uh I could take a look at them and very quickly tell you uh that organism, if it is an organism, couldn't walk, couldn't fly, was not mobile. There are all these things about this case that I think break your brain because you wish it was cleaner. Like I think the very clean thing to say is that the large bodies are clearly real or

they're clearly they're not hoaxes. They're not cons they're not even artificial fabrications from rituals. They're like, you know, organisms, biological organisms that are self-consistent, that are that are pregnant in some cases that are pregnant in some cases. At this point in the video, you might be wondering, Jesse, how do you personally shake out? Well, you have to think probabilistically, so I'd rather just list the facts around the case. And I'm just a dude on YouTube with no

credentials to make any claims whatsoever. But if you really want to know my opinion, gun to my head, I'm just going to go out and say I think the M types are probably real. My guess is the genetics reading Steve Mara got with one female and one male felangi on Maria's body was probably due to human contamination. And Flavio Estrada in the Peruvian Ministry of Culture, I think they're just bad faith actors. I don't trust them at all. And there are really

no other solid debunks on this. Very few serious people are looking at this case. And when serious people do get involved, they think these beings are real. Of course, on the fake side, these could be ancient humans that underwent traditional headbinding and had their fingers and toes manipulated. But on that, I'll defer to the three different sets of forensic experts, all looking for finger and toe manipulation and for human headbinding. None of them found any evidence for either. Then on top of that, we're very close to a couple of

very clear smoking guns from proving these are real. For example, if you definitively proved that Monzerat's fetus inside of it was also tridactyl, at that point you'd be accusing Gravedigger Walkeros of cloning abilities that elite American researchers don't even have. Now, also at the risk of stirring controversy, I think the J types are more likely to be fake or reconstructions. Maybe homages paid to the real M types. The llama proteins found on the isolated

Jtype head are very interesting to me. And admittedly, I just have an instinctive allergic reaction to them given how stylized their faces look. But even then, you have DICOM files showing bones, veins, capillaries, things that are hard to fake. You have eggs inside the bodies of beings like Louisa. And here's where things get weird. You have the fact that the J-type beings look a lot like some other beings in global UFO and alien cases. Take the Russian snow alien case in 2011.

Another case that was written off by quote unquote experts as very fake. You see, back in 2011, Russian National Channel 1 aired a report about a supposed mass UFO sighting in the Kutsk Oblast, a region in southeastern Siberia. That was February. A month later, in March, a video was posted of this UFO sighting. The closest to the strange lights was pensioner Nelly Stean. People are

confident that these are the UFOs. The lights were hanging right above the top of the trees. Several spheres were breaking apart and then they were merging back into one. Local children even managed to film what was happening. These same children were the first to talk about the strange smell. There was a little bit of smoke from them and then an unpleasant smell like from the exploded little bumps boys like to blow up. They lined up in the shape of a cone and light was reflecting from them. Two women ahead of us shouted, "Look, the UFO." I heard a rumble and then

I saw a pink light. Everything was lit with pink color. I thought it was an alien. Civil aviation specialists and employees of the search and rescue center, the military, the FSB, and the main directorate of the internal affairs of the Urkutsk region, the department of internal affairs for transport all joined the search. Scientists came to the aid of the emergency services. As always, they explained everything. "All this looks very much like a meteorite fall scenario," says Sergey

Yazv, director of the Irutsk State University Astronomical Observatory. But the villagers weren't satisfied with that explanation, nor were any Russian UFO researchers. Thanks to Steven Pearson, an amazing American Alchemy WAP community member. We know that this region in Siberia is home to a lot of Russian nuclear assets. As it so happens, we know that the 29th Guard's missile division is and long has been a live nuclear armed mobile ICBM force in Kutsk. Its nuclear

warheads are stored locally at object 644, not in silos, but in bunkered magazines. As you know on this show, we have documented the UFO nuclear relationship adnauseium. This connection is global and ubiquitous and it adds to my conviction that this 2011 UFO sighting and possible crash was very real. So anyways, here's where things connect to this Peruvian case and where things get weird.

Just one month later, in that same region of Siberia, two Russian guys come upon an alien body in the woods. What the hell? I think what the hell is lying there? I don't know. They filmed the body and uploaded it to YouTube. That video has 12 million views on it. The two guys who found this body were taken in by the police, questioned, and apparently confessed to hoaxing it with breadcrumbs, plasticine, and chicken skin. Again, we know a similar accusation was

made about Manuel Cacera's fake creations. So, could that too have been a cover story? And it's absurd just how much this being looks like the Nazca Peruvian Jypes [Music] and The Beings from Close Encounters of the Third Kind, a movie that Ronald Reagan watched in the White House and said there's a lot of truth to. And he said, "I want to thank you for bringing ET to

the White House. We really enjoyed your movie." And then he looked around the room and he said, "And there are a number of people in this room who know that everything on that screen is absolutely true." And he said it without smiling. Um um but he but but he he said that and everybody laughed, by the way. The whole room laughed because he presented it like a joke, but he wasn't smiling as he said it. And the chicken skin hoax claim sounds a lot like Manuel Caceras's tourist trinkets. I would love to tell you that I can definitively say that a video with 12 million views on it on

YouTube of a possible alien body is definitely fake. I realize it's sort of patently absurd, but I just don't know. The debunks on this video are almost as ridiculous as the video itself. You would expect to see something, whether it's, you know, alien blood or fluids, um, or even some sort of pus. I don't like it. I'll be honest with you. So, we're going with Chase on this one. The Russian alien corpse is a hoax. Clearly, some people can't get enough alien

corpse footage, even though it drives the serious UFO researchers nuts. I don't trust this quote unquote expert analysis at all. It's super weak. Again, I think this video should be debunked, but I think it deserves a better debunk. And if you were part of the defense establishment, maybe CIA or FSB or elsewhere, how would you soften the blow on disclosure? you'd say, "Oh, yeah, that video with 12 million views you've already seen. Oops. Yeah, that was actually real." That would cause a lot less panic than some new video of a being that they haven't gauged the public's

reaction to yet. Gun to my head, I would still say this video is probably fake. The students who filmed this video, Timor and Kir, were 18 and 19 at the time. That's obviously a ripe age for pranking the world to get YouTube famous. But given the similarities with the Peruvian case and the UFO sighting a month before, if anyone can get in touch with either of these guys for me, I would welcome an introduction at jesse michaelels proton.me. The point is with the Nazca mummies and with this Russian snow alien and any UFO sighting is that the very idea of quote unquote disclosure

is just an appeal to authority to tell you things that you have the ability to evaluate for yourself. Right now, disclosure has already occurred for many people already. The evidence might simply be hidden in plain sight. The very concept of disclosure is a complete misnomer. If we had the ultimate disclosure moment, what would it look like? You saw some gray alien wheeled out in front of Fort Dietrich. God forbid a tactical nuke gets activated in Ukraine or the

Middle East, but a UFO shuts down the launch moments before the countdown. Does the world then start to believe in alien life all at once? Probably not. You'd have half the world demanding DNA samples of the body, material analysis of the craft, a flight demonstration with skeptical academics and aviation experts present. But even then, part of society would say that the video recording of this demonstration was an AI deep fake that the genetic data was fabricated. reality itself would splinter with some part of society believing in intelligent life above humans and

an opposing faction digging their heels in with further skepticism around deep state deception. It took mainstream archaeology 15 years to accept Gobeclet after Claus Schmidt started excavating it in 1994. And that excavation itself was over 30 years after the site was initially uncovered by the universities of Istanbul and Chicago in the 60s. And that's just an anomalously old archaeological site. It doesn't wholesale overturn our understanding of the known universe.

[Music] Now we get into the more interesting question that everybody should be asking. If either of these beings, the J types or the M types are real, what the are they? This is the stuff that's exciting to speculate about. Chilean researcher David Velasco speculates that this could be a global subterranean species. For example, the Hopi people, traditionally associated with Arizona, have a legend around the ant people. These beings, described as wise and industrious,

are said to have helped the Hopi survive by providing refuge underground and teaching them essential survival skills. They also look a lot like the reptilian beings here. They are also traditionally depicted in cave art with three fingers and three toes. Could this just be what we're seeing here? Another possible theory is that the Mtypes or the homminid looking beings are the hybridization of the reptilians and humans. They retain some of the more idiosyncratic features of the tridactyl reptilians like the three fingers and three toes, but they look mostly

human. Remember the local dialects translation for the name of the region laboratory for insemination and hybridization. An even weirder theory and perhaps the most contrarian take would be that the J-type reptilians are the real beings and the mtype hominids were just humans who were deformed or mutilated in an ancient sophisticated way to imitate the J types. Finally, maybe these beings are just the gray aliens that we see in all these abduction cases. Maybe the adult ones are the quote unquote tall grays and the kids are the quote unquote little grays. They definitely

look like them. In fact, former American Alchemy guest and friend of the show, Whitley Strieber, who claims a lot of contact with gay aliens and whose book Communion helped popularize them in the United States, is deeply interested in this case. In fact, he introduced me to a lot of the researchers. But people describe Grays as being able to sort of manipulate their local reality. Well, maybe the osmium and cadmium implants in these beings allow them to control their electromagnetic signature and be perceived differently by different people. Again,

who knows? And what about the least crazy possibility? The idea that maybe we've just found a new terrestrial species or a new branch of homminid. Well, you can actually look it up. We know that anywhere from 21 to 30 homminids have walked the earth depending on how stringent your classification system is. Only human homo sapiens exist today. But guess how many hominids we've discovered in just the last 10 years. Again, depending on your strictness and definitions, anywhere from 5 to 10 have been found in just the last 10 years. That's a

very high percentage of overall homminid beings discovered in just the last decade. This is the problem with fossils, right? Because when things die, they don't really create fossils unless it's a very extraordinary instance. You know, like something unusual has to occur. You got to get trapped in mud, right? You know, that's how So most of the things that have lived, we don't have fossils of which is if this thing was a small percentage or small population, small

percentage of the the living humans. And some of them are like that and they just died off like 500 years ago, thousand years ago. And these ones got saved because they were around a dietimmacous earth mine which preserved their organs and their whole body. Just from an anthropology perspective, that should be the most fascinating thing. But it's got the stink of a hoax on it. So people don't want to go and study it. The issue with the homminid thing is that hominids usually don't have three fingers or three toes. But some mammals like sloths do. But some anthropologists

like Roger Zuniga at the University of Eeka like to make a very important distinction. They say the Mtypes are very likely not homminid given their unique tridactyl features. They are more humanoid. They just appear human but are ultimately genetically and phoggenetically very dissimilar. And another thing, not everyone died at the same time. There are specimens that range from 1,800 years to 700 years ago. Wow. So over a thousand years span difference.

Wow. That makes us journalists and those of us investigating think that there has been coexistence of these species with humans, our ancestors, for more than 1,000 years. [Music] The main issue with this entire case is that it has a stigma, a stench. Because as soon as you hear the term alien mummies, half the population is zealously willing to believe

anything and the other half will believe nothing you say. There are very few adults in the room. Conventionally credentialed people willing to earnestly look into this. I want you to make a 2x two quadrant. Credentialed people is the x-axis and open and closeed-mindedness is the y-axis. Almost everyone is either in the credentialed close-minded camp or the uncredentialed radically open-minded camp. We need more credentialed people willing to make bold moves and investigate mysteries like these. Basically, we need more people in the credentialed

open-minded camp. People like John McDow, Jim Caruso, Dr. Jose Zalsce, and Dr. David Ruiz. I really appreciate that you take the effort to come to my country to investigate this closely. What you are doing hasn't been done by the scientists. The archaeologists have not done it. Neither have the YouTubers nor the communicators nor the journalists have done what you are doing.

this was a very anti- athoritarian movement. This was very grassroots. You know, the people with security clearances were the enemies unless they were becoming whistleblowers, you know, right? I thank you once again for coming here. I hope you have a good trip and I want to dedicate to to dedicate to his grandpa. Oh, he's going to be our few moments his grandpa just come. Oh. Oh,

no. We were in the middle of recording and I was informed that uh my grandfather had died. I saw you walk over and I my heart went out to you. I I felt like we needed to pause and you just continued on and and so uh so so grateful for you, man, and for all your work. And I know your grandfather is watching over you, incredibly proud of all your work and uh he'll continue to guide you.

Although it's clear that forensic experts in various countries all seem to think that at least the Mtypes or hominids are real, we're just not getting a clear sample from the genetics. Because of that, I decided to hit up my buddy Ben Lamb at Colossal Biosciences. From its inception, Colossal was advised by George Church at Harvard, maybe the top geneticist in the world. They've also single-handedly deextincted the direwolf. They've literally brought it back from ancient DNA samples. So, they are going to run tests on these Nazca mummies. And hey, if Colossal

brought the direwolf back from extinction, maybe they can bring one of these beings back, too. I'm half joking here. I've seen Jurassic Park and I know how that story ends. But another part of me thinks that the gatekeepers won't accept the reality of these things until they see one live walking around. There's only one gate to get through. They need the permission of the Peruvian government. If the Peruvian government won't let a top American biotech company, a company advised by maybe the top geneticist in the world, use their proprietary ancient DNA testing techniques to test

these mummies, then I don't know what else you need as far as their orientation towards the subject. Us reaching out to them and their reaction will be a clear indicator. It will be a forcing function. Are you pro- openness? humanity and science or do you want to be a gatekeeper and keep a lid on this thing? Again, this is Colossal asking for permission to take samples of these bodies from Peru to the US. If that doesn't work out, I will also put up all of the money to personally fly any expert in genetics, any paleoarchchaeologist, any proteomics expert to

go down to Peru, go to the University of Eeka and study these bodies firsthand. I think that there are a lot of different steps that need to be taken if we're going to realistically examine the uh the specimens and that would include and I hope I'm not going too far a field here but if if these are tridactyl organisms the DNA here ought to match the DNA here ought to match the DNA here and interestingly enough the DNA is most likely to be preserved in a tooth.

And so if all four of those or five of those or more areas match up, then you've got an entity. If they don't, that's not the same uh organism. [Music] The definition of a grifter is someone who wants to keep these things in a liinal space. They don't want any of these cases collapsed into true or false. I could just make these videos and tell the world that these things are definitely extraterrestrial, which I can't say for certain, and just move on. But

I don't want to do that. I want to actually figure out what the hell is going on. So, the mystery continues, but we will find out soon whether this is a crazy sophisticated hoax or we have a new species on our hands. Until next time, I'm Jesse Michaels and this is American Alchemy. Quick heads up for you guys. American Alchemy merch just dropped. It's all super high quality, 100% cotton, embroidered hats, clean designs. It's up now. Go

to americanm.com to check it out. Thanks for the support. It means a lot. [Music] He's has a little eye issue. I think that the ocean would heal it because it would be antiseptic. I'm sure your editor is going to [ __ ] love having this footage where he just doesn't even know how it's connected. We're going to include it. It's humanizing the story. My Chad GBT Chad GBT Reasoning told me that viewers get smart man fatigue from my

shows cuz it's too many facts. So, I've got to show more personality. So, that's that's what we're doing now. Smart man fatigue. Interesting. Smart man fatigue. I can see that.