"Aliens Are Humans From The Future!" (Ft. Mike Masters & David Grusch)

children and gray aliens are constantly described as child like they were about the size of the kids they were you know about 3 ft tall what's more the list of credential UFO researchers that believe the time travel hypothesis is endless Navy Commander George Hoover who held the top secret clearance for most of his life admitted that the beings in the Roswell crash were just time traveling humans and Herman obber bir the father of German rocketry and wner Von Bron's Mentor said that UFOs likely don't

Traverse large distances in space they jump from one time space coordinate to another even Spielberg may have included a couple of time travel related hints and Close Encounters of the Third Kind cuz at the end you see the World War II Pilots come out they haven't aged at all that's true that's a subtle little hey these guys are Time Travelers Einstein was right according to Deadpool Creator Robert leafield Spielberg said to Robert in 1993 what's easier to believe that we are being monitored by aliens from another world or that we are monitoring

machines experiencers almost always report missing time or time anomalies strong electromagnetism comes off the craft which as we'll get into makes sense if these crafts are time machines and finally many contactees report having to take chemical rinses in what's speculated to be antiseptic liquid perhaps so they don't contaminate the future with the pathogen that's already been wiped out I don't think they're necessarily doing anything to us I think it's for them I think it's self-preservation that

this information coming in my brain and the other individual standing to my left occasionally would say did you get that did you get that I'm like uh-huh uh-huh and I can see it coming in I have no idea what it is w and I've talked to people that have exped it it was almost like a QR code loed in their brain was the communication along the way we dropped New Revelations from David grush the UFO whistleblower from my last video that blew the cover on UFO reverse engineering programs I I talked to

people who really did analyze the stuff from the real deal stuff and it's super weird it's like heavy element europium californium stuff it's like in these Atomic Arrangements that make like no sounds so on that note hit subscribe and converge with your future self as you watch today's American Alchemist Dr Masters different parts of the brain have different activities but you know that don't

are we yeah would you bring me back time for this conversation or something man feels like it yeah same man yeah even if it isn't a trip out 1950s D I don't know what happened we just ended up here so you wrote you've written three books now two of which I've read and are fantastic identified flying objects and the extra tempesto model and in the second book

you really Pro out kind of the the theoretical framework for how a lot of what we consider extraterrestrial visitors are actually just humans from the future I think one of the most remarkable things from your book is you cite the the free Edgar Mitchell study it's the largest study um of contactees abductees experiencers in general the time they published that study I was referencing I think they had about 3,500 yeah and it's up about 5,000 now so they're continuing to bring more data in and then further analyses might change

some the ways that we look at these things and you say uh that 52% of the respondents contact e uh experience homid like creatures in their kind of contact experience and then 85% of those cases with this is what I find fascinating uh have a friendly experience friendly or neutral experience which might show that if they are sort of future trans temporal humans or something they show a a care for us in a way that will maybe help us sort of

Ascend into them or ensure their own sustenance in a way yeah and what's another interesting thing you can tease out of that is the ones who did interact with less human forms had a more negative experience and so you kind of have to break that down as it because it was scarier is there more ontological shock when something that looks like a a giant bug is abducting you that can control your mind and interact with you telepathically and give you images and all of these crazy downloads but it is interesting that most reported form is human and you might expect that I think

we talked about this previously where you might expect that based on where we are in time because in the same way that you know here in Los Angeles or wherever the hell you took me um you have people that you interact with more who are local who are here yeah because they're just there they're closer to you in proximate Geographic space but it may be similar with time where you expect to see people from closer to your relative time because you're closer to them whereas these that are maybe the pr

with anthropologists and Christian missionaries fully clothed pale- skinned and speaking a foreign language these people must seem like aliens from another planet to the North Sentinel e and if you're the majority of North Sentinel natives who didn't interact with these visitors personally you probably wouldn't believe the ones who did over time these contact stories would get relegated to mythology and lore we might be making the same same wrong assumptions when it comes to UFOs and alien contact experiences we have our own mythological contact stories

that half the population believes while the other doesn't and we assume these alien contact experiences are interactions with beings from another planet but maybe our so-called alien visitors aren't from far away they're from far ahead just probabilistically the idea that life and another in a completely for you know Planet would evolutionarily converge to look exactly like us or very similar to us speak our language in many

cases as you you know talk about a lot of these abduction experiences breath our all of that it just feels super unlikely and maybe the the one argument to that is that you know Dave grush talked about this they could somehow they're so Advanced that they could program something like us it's either extraterrestrial and we're seeing beings uh that look similar to us for ease of communication and acceptance maybe and that is like almost like an

avatar for the intelligence behind you know the the ghost behind the ma machine or whatever there's that possibility I I suppose and that actually would make more sense that they were engineered specifically to look like that and it wasn't natural if they're trying to make something that's less jarring to us that looks and acts more like us just make it like us make it like us why make it look like what we're going to look like in another 20 30 40,000 years tot totally but I have thought about that idea of avatars before and it's it's actually a

big uh part of the storyline in my most recent book Revelation the future human past where there is some indication that they're making sort of Ro robotic Droid avatars whatever you want to call them but potentially and we're not far from this technology now biologically constructed ones where we move away from moving parts and things that need oil and can break down to using that advanced knowledge of genetics and genetic manipulation something probably

uh centuries Beyond crisper technology and creating forms that can perform certain tasks so I I I would agree with grush in the sense that some of these could be created but then the question is who's creating them a quick word from our amazing sponsor for today's episode if you've seen our episode mushrooms aliens you'll remember the finished mushroom Master the guest of that episode Taro is aopa he's always been a big supporter of the show and he's one of my best friends and he's been nice enough to sponsor this episode his

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had different environments and we showed that pesticide was significantly related to the men sperm c a wolf is to a dog what a 19 century human will probably be to a 22nd century human so infertility may become a concern in the future and consistently these aliens seem very interested in extracting human gamet you have Antonio vs Boos which you write about in 57 describing kind of mating with uh the future human extraterrestrial being fully doing it

getting busy getting busy and you also you talk about uh Barney Hill reluctantly saying that Sean samples were taken from him uh Jim penniston rendle Forest incident in 1980 he recalls a contact experience with extraterrestrials or future humans that say they want to maintain genetic diversity and not get wiped off the planet and so they specifically need you know genetic samples from uh current humans so what's going on are we in some

sort of bizarre intertemporal breeding program or something I mean you're right that is one of the most common themes it's ubiquit across these abduction cases and and seemingly mostly throughout the 70s ' 80s 90s you don't really hear about it as much anymore but almost every male that was taken would have sperm extracted females have developing fetuses implanted taken out eggs being taken so you you have to ask

why you see these patterns emerge and you have to ask why and and I think a lot of what I've tried to do with my research does not speculate about what's going to happen where we're going I went out of my way to avoid that in all of my books but we can look at what's happening now and what's happened in the past and we see a 60% reduction in sperm counts in males in only the last 40 years in the developed World a 50% reduction across the entire world a 2011 study showed that average sperm count is

down to 47 million per milliliter below 40 you start having trouble coning Jesus yeah there's all of these things that are happening that could contribute to problems with genetics in the future and I think that's what they specifically told Jim penniston they said we are you uh we come from 8,000 years in the future and yeah that they're having problems with reproduction and they're taking these gtes and and I think not only that but also the fact that Antonio Vias boes had

physical intercourse with this woman who he describes as a woman she looks a little bit different than women that he knew slightly higher cheekbones pointier chin but all of the same parts that you need to have sex with someone would you get those with a species that evolved on a different planet would they even have anything close to DNA could you take DNA from them so I think all of these things together indicate that we are the same species if this hybridization program is real you have the ability to reproduce so it it does feel like humans are

becoming sort of domesticated Allah your you know the sperm count uh stats that you've cited we are we know we've been becoming domesticated for about the last 30,000 years especially since agriculture we have a selection for more pro-social behaviors when we were nomadic Hunter gathers we could just move around some being an [ __ ] we just go somewhere else but once we started to settle down in cities there was obviously a lot of conflict we can see that in the archaeological record it's an aspect of biological anthropology called bioarchaeology and

we still go to war with each other but we seem to be moving away from that a lot of it's because we're domesticating ourselves through the selection for more pro-social behaviors where we can just get alone we we have to CU we have nukes you know it's just mutually assured destruction it's it's it's cataclysmic if we continue our sort of ways over the years humans have collected satellite data of electromagnetic and geomagnetic anomalies on Earth and when you start to cross reference these electromagnetic anomalies against the significant UFO

cond threedimensional object having volume not as a hole or doorway and I remember being at Skinwalker rch which is this famous kind of paranormal Hots spot in the uent you know Basin in Utah and a trifield meter going off right before we left we grabbed the trifield meters it had full battery it's flashing it's now dead because there was a lot of electromagnetic activity in historically there's been a lot of electromagnetic activity there and so are we just witnessing wormholes or

I I kind of get the sense that many of these craft are time machines themselves a lot of the saucer shaped dis shaped craft have a form consistent with the function of manipulating SpaceTime so maybe it it helps in moving through SpaceTime in some way if they are in fact our time traveling descendants um but there might be more going on it could have something to do with energy sources or drawing energy from the environment that helps power the craft so maybe portal like Skinwalker Ranch

and others with high electromagnetic and nuclear activity are the launch and landing pads for UFOs not the White House lawn vandenbberg or the tarmac at LAX if UFOs were simply entering our atmosphere from space you'd probably expect some sort of electromagnetic superhighway coming to and from Earth but if you talk to any SE scientists trying to pick up communication signals from space they'll say the same thing that space itself is remarkably quiet when I started on interviewing people

that were totally genuine and of course uncovering the the kind of Legacy program that I've talked about I mean I lost a lot of sleep I couldn't even like conceptualize stuff I mean even for me my worldview which I consider myself an open person I had trouble even understanding it and I went back to the fmy parado I'm like why isn't there an overt presence why would the government even be this how like deep I went like why would the government even be allowed to have this stuff in their possession if a higher sentience you know either didn't want it or wanted it back or you

know whatever you can make up a bunch of notional scenarios uh that you know kind of sounds sci-fi but and I'm just like I kind of want I'm like well but the fact is we do do you believe the US government is in possession of Time craft I think if these things that crashed are time machines then absolutely and you think they're time machine I do yeah uh again just the dis shaped craft because we have this expression in biology that form follows function yeah and the form of these machines seems to indicate the function

of manipulating space time and traveling forward and backwards I Le and that's just based on Frank tipler's work not just it's this whole line of evolution stemming from Einstein's original 1915 paper you have all of these solutions to his field equations you have lens and the frame dragging you have these solutions that show you can tip over those light cones through the rotation of massive objects we've tested this and shown that even the Earth as a extremely small planet relative to other exoplanets also creates this Frame

dragging effect not long after that you had van stockum you had the godell universe where you imagine this infinitely large disc like a imagine a Galaxy that's infinitely large where it's creating that same rotational frame dragging and bending over light cones so that you can move into the past and then importantly in the 19 1970s with Frank tippler that's all shrunk down to the size that's finite and it's a rapidly rotating ring sphere or disc as he said

and he shows that you can have all of these same frame dragging light cone bending over properties with something that sounds exactly like a UFO they're seen rotating they're seen popping in and out of SpaceTime I mean I'm not saying our theoretical Frameworks are correct but we really do have physics explanations on how how how the uaps jump around or whatever that's totally um an effect of an occu bear style war bubble so that would be light being blue shifted into the ultraviolet

as it's lensed across the bubble that the craft creates it's a blue shift not just in light that takes it up into that that shortwave radiation area that causes temporary damage to people but also time is shifted as a result of that like everything within that that region in and around this uh what Jim penniston called a sphere of influence where he felt like he was walking through water like everything within proximity to that craft was was different it was shifted so there's a lot of things like that

that indicate that in proximity to these craft they are manipulating the rate at which time flows and if you have that ability what's stopping you from going back through it but then we take seriously the accounts these contact cases where you have things like Corporal Armando in Chile in the 1970s where he disappears entirely from the six men in his platoon 15 minutes later he reappears but 5 days passed for him as indicated by the wrist watch which reads 5 days in the future his beard has

us Amy ryance is probably one of my favorite cases in this regard because she was taken her friend Petra watched her being taken through the window all of a sudden they get this call that she's been found at a petrol station 790 km away but what's interesting is she claims to have been on board that craft with a man she said specifically an interview I don't call him an alien I call him a man he had all the same physiological characteristics of a man she claims she was with them for 5 to seven days clearly they traveled 790 km

to drop her off but also seemingly went back in time to drop her off closer to the point at which she was taking and likely because her friends freaking out her husband's freaking out the cops think she was murdered one case one of my favorite uh Udo wartena he got a tour he didn't know [ __ ] about UFOs or electromagnetics of course cuz he's a minor but they explain that there's these counter rotating flywheels so it's like where you have those maglev trains where it's it's it's above it's a frictionless surface which is why they can go so fast and use less energy where

they're they're spinning these flywheels and then these magnets these electromagnets are are forcing those around and something about the counter rotation of those creates this Electro magnetic field which I think is important for their anti-gravity propulsion and importantly the uh the manipulation of SpaceTime so do you have a sense of the current engineering limitations on our own ability to build these time machines a if these are time machines B if we've received them as

crashed or landed Vehicles which was an interesting thing to hear that's come out of David gush's testimony is that seemingly some of them are gifted in objects that sort of gives us a leg up um but then it's still this question of what is time if there's time travel I I talked to people who really did analyze the stuff from the real deal stuff and it's super weird it's like heavy element um you know europium

californium stuff it's like in these Atomic Arrangements that make like no sense you know this is through x-ray defraction where they can image the shad Shadows of the atomic Pairs and stuff and it's like why yeah is all these crazy heavy elements in this like weird metal Hall structure and it doesn't we don't understand the emergent metamaterial properties going we can't configure atoms you can get down to what 0. 2 nanometers or something as far as

yeah I mean there's certain Tech uh techniques out there that they're they're um augmenting some XR of fraction Technologies we can get down to but most techniques are like two to angr you you can't directly image the ATS but you can see the shadows and configurations but they're we're getting to where we could actually image the atoms it's interesting what comes to mind when you say the UFOs themselves are a time machine I've been kind of really researching this mid-century inventor named towns and brown and he

was super into ant anti-gravity was kind of the nominal story of you know he' create these like super high electrical charges over short distance say he was funded by a guy named agnu banson and banson is quoted as saying very weird effects occur with high electricity over over short distances and you know what's funny is if you the deeper cut on towns and brown is he was super into time travel and he would talk about it with his daughter Linda and he even had a confidant uh who

I think is written about pseudonymously in this great book called the man who mastered Gravity by a guy named Paul shotkin and his name is Morgan and Morgan becomes a source for the book and he's writing to Paul shotkin and Paul's being a little thickheaded about what what is the actual machine what are these gravitator and at some point uh Morgan kind of blows up and he goes it's a [ __ ] time machine and so you think that maybe uh past scientists have actually figured out time yeah well I

these Congress people who really weren't paying attention to much of this and I think it's going to be disclosure from the ones that have been hiding from us this whole time I was on the phone yesterday with Robert Hastings who wrote UFOs and nukes and he's telling me that he feels like he's being sublim subliminally guided you know towards disclosing and doing his work and I'd be lying if I were to say I didn't have sort of similar experiences personally have you had any experiences like that I don't think many people are

deep in this unless it stems from something whether that be a light in the sky they can't explain or some obscure memories from childhood of a craft outside their window or a shadowy figure at their bed I got into this when I was 8 years old because I had um what I Now understand was a a moment of conscious precognition where I visualized together I talk about this the beginning both my books uh an early human a modern human and this archetypal gray alien and then

the thoughts that came with that which I feel is just now me putting that information back and past me because I would eventually do that and then it's this closed time like Loop of sorts so that was kind of my motivation and I've been driven to study Physics and astronomy and then changed my major to biological anthropology to study the humanoid form associated with them because I was led to do that I remember the exact moment standing behind Morton Hall at Ohio University there was this

little voice in my head that said maybe we should explore it this way maybe we're all experiencing that you just don't notice it until you really start to reflect on the way everything's connected and and start to put those pieces together especially with regard to the synchronicities and who you meet and when you meet them can you say at all when you had your future human contact experience what was communicated to you well it it's interesting you asked that specifically because it it

was an intervention I didn't tell anybody this I was washing dishes at my sink my wife sitting on the couch and I just thought you know I'm tired I don't want to do this anymore yeah I just want to get this last book done and just kind of slowly back away from all these conversations I was traveling a lot conferences TV shoots I was exhausted from the UFO topic specifico top I wasn't like going to go blow my brains out in a closet or something like I was just I was tired this I've had that experience many times you feel it it's

taxi yeah um so yeah and and I didn't tell anybody I thought about telling my wife I thought about being you know what I didn't tell her I didn't say anything to anyone when they approached me physically face to face um this individual there were two individuals present one pulls up a chair so close that his knee goes into my crotch and I have a very strong figh ORF flight response and it was very much f fight and and he looks at me in the eyes and says I can tell you're very upset

about this but I need to be this close for this to work and all of a sudden happiness returns next thing he said is what got in my head a little he said actually he's not the right pronoun they it's all they that's the only pronoun they ever used we and they there was never a sense of ego or individualism at all in fact I came away with this with no sense of ego or at least a very diminished form of it but they said we know you've been thinking about quitting lately and we'd really

prefer you didn't do that and I said how could you possibly know that I never told anybody that I never even spoke those words out loud it was a thought in my head and they said once you know who we are you'll know how we know that and then telepathically I communicated future humans and they said so you know how we did that I said uhhuh and then the conversation went in a lot of different the vast majority of it was entirely

telepathic at some point we just stopped using vocalized speech and even though there were two individuals all of the voices were the same voices and that's the thing that blows my mind the most and I remember Terry LEL talking about this when he met Betty Rubble he just heard her voice in his head in the same voice if you're not articulating something it's not vibrating your malus incus and stapes to send the signal why does it still sound like that individual it's mind blood but the three of us are

telepathically over the course of I would guess another 10 15 minutes a lot of other things are exchanged I had questions they had questions but the main point of it was that they wanted if I was okay with it they're very polite extremely polite if I was okay with it they said we'll black your eyes out and give you three things that will be important at a future time what were that I I don't have access to it they told me I

wouldn't have access to it they said we need to put this information in your brain if you're okay with it and by this point it was very clear who they were abilities hive mind Consciousness interacting in this way I trust to them and also realized that in various ways I had been interacting with them the whole time that little voice in my head when I changed Majors a conversation they referenced yeah uh right before I went to a conference at race University where I thought it was just all in my mind

referenced that conversation that we had just prior to me going to this this so I agreed and that's exactly what happened my eyes went black I'm still staring at the same individual in fact by this point I got very difficult to turn my head I was kind of just mesmerized I think that's the word some Ed my eyes went black and all of a sudden I feel all of this information coming in my brain and the other individual standing to my left occasionally would say did you get that

did you get that I'm like uh-huh uh-huh and I can see it coming in I have no idea what it is wow it's in there yeah I can't access it I agreed to have it put there it's like you were partitioned or something yeah maybe but what's crazy is the reaction I this was at the beginning of a conference there's a lot going on there's a party Halloween party some of my best friends from the UFO Community are there we're going to jam Tunes play music yeah but want to play Travis Walton's guitar with Micah Hanks for all

this time and I stood up once they released me from this slowly I could see this individual again or them in this manifested form I turn I get up I walk through it's now a very crowded room of people from this balcony a woman puts her hand on my arm and says are you okay as going like I couldn't lift my head it felt like it was a 50 lb weight tied to my forehead I walk out of the VIP room where this had happened on the balcony down to my room which is about five

doors away where where is all of this in a conference hotel in Phoenix Phoenix uh exact almost exactly one year ago yeah lay down on the bed lay down backwards feet still on the the ground and slept for 13 hours straight wow wake up still with my feet on the ground still with all my clothes on and just started crying uncontrollably not because I was happy sad confused nothing like whatever happened did it feel cathartic did you feel like you were letting out or anything it was just I just couldn't control it I cried for hours I had to be

on a panel the next day with a bunch of people how was that um fine because um I I went I controlled the crying I went went and got breakfast unfortunately was set right by the cash register where all of these people gather for their Sunday brunch and I'm just losing my goddamn mind at this point and there's all these people coming walking right I was hoping to be like back in a corner or something didn't get that come back to my room still crying go down to give a book to an individual who was working at the

registration table and all of a sudden the same individual kind of materializes in this empty hallway walks past me put his hand on my shoulder and says are you okay I go uh-huh that's all I could say uh-huh and all of the time this has happened he just uh-huh like I'm processing I'm doing what I'm supposed to I'm getting information the individual's name or yeah yeah yeah I I know both of their names but again these

reconceptualizing what it means to be human yeah it's not as simple as who as this individual there you think of them as I wasn't talking to that individual their generic emissaries I was talking to the same day consci yeah that knows my thoughts enough to reference two very specific moments of interaction or one wasn't I was just thinking I don't want to do this anymore as I'm washing my dishes they knew that thought yeah so we're not talking about individuals but

that individual who's a part of this reappeared as I'm walking through this hallway takes that residual whatever it was again it wasn't negative I wasn't scared by this I wasn't upset by it I just couldn't stop crying but I needed to cuz I was on an important panel about two or three hours later yeah so it was an effort to sort of quell the ontological shock if there was a part of that I it's hard to say there wasn't but also just whatever was

happening whatever reaction my brain had to being force fed information in this way in a very short period of time in a little primitive monkey brain that couldn't handle it you so then you you think they're walking Among Us they they absolutely are yeah wow that's pretty wild yeah it is I that one gets a little deep with people I think there'll be a gutural response to everything I just said yeah the walking Among Us

thing I think is a trigger point for a lot of people yeah maybe that happens at a later time yeah sure um but I I think it's an obvious realization I don't think we even need to say it yeah here's where things get really trippy everyone always asks what's the connection between UFOs and psychic remote viewing now I know what you're thinking a lot of the same people that are into one crazy thing psychic research are going to be into another aliens but hear me out there was actually a CIA psychic spy

program to find Russian nuclear bases and American hostages that ran from 1972 to 1995 it was called star how do you think you developed your skills for uh cuz you see really seem to be the best remote viewer you know maybe ever functioning itself is a survival mechanism in the beginning the people who kept small tribes of humans alive were Shaman certainly remote viewing is a thing I mean you saw the government from the' 70s to at least the '90s

it was Declassified Stargate Russell and you know off and so the psychic spying thing was a thing and they had and I've talked to the you know you know Hal and those guys and they seem to have you know many many cases of their Intel basically being confirmed by traditional Intel methodologies and modalities a lot of these psychic spies started to pick up imagery and Communications from what they considered alien beings but there's actually a decent theoretical framework

that connects remote viewing to Mike Master's future human hypothesis what's going on in our heads is not an algorithm it's not following rules Nobel prizewinning physicist Roger Penrose hypothesized that maybe the brain is just a room temperature Quantum system and that's how it collapses probabilistic Quantum reality into the macroscopic discreet classical reality that we see every day we basically kind of collapse shers w equation into a specific IG State and that's done by the

room temperature Quantum system and uh yeah shout out to a friend of mine who's super into Roger Penrose and his theories on this shout out friend shout out for the friend who loves weird Consciousness suit you got to introduce me you holding out on me man guy cool in one interpretation that's gaining momentum quantum computers might be able to send information back in time in other words they can access their future knowledge States their there's even been a lot of research into reversing Cubit positions in Quantum computations so

maybe these remote viewers brains were just super robust quantum computers and maybe they were sending their future UFO sightings back in time maybe you have sort of pre-memory of your future knowledge State and you're glitching into that with these UFO experiences and sending the information back in time and and memory is is works both ways yeah that kind of explains maybe the manifestation stuff too it's like already wow totally it's already pre-ordained or it's like a it's like a

Time Loop so like a classic example of a Time Loop is like Carl Young had this patient who was completely kind of materialist and inaccessible not woo woo at all and she comes in and she goes you know I had this weird dream last night it was this this golden scarab beetle was given to me as a gift and as she's telling the story he sees a a scarab beetle come down the window sill he takes it and he gives it to her as a gift and it and it opens her up and it makes her you know believe in magic and in the subconscious and in the power of

you know this this bigger self and that's the classic example of a Time Loop because it's something that shifts your attentional patterns in a slight way in a way that causes the thing to manifest if she hadn't said the scar Beetle story he wouldn't have given her the stare Beetle and then it caused the thing to actually happen so maybe the UFO experience cuz it happens in this dreamlike State you're sort of glitching into the future this thing kind of happens to you in this sort of weird Quantum reality or whatever but it it

affects your life at the margins in this way that might cause something else that's beautiful to manifest oh interesting yeah I've never heard it put that way that's pretty cool yeah I don't know many argue uh again Eric Wargo argues this in his book time Loops that remote viewing is really just precognition that they always want that deliverable that end thing they always need to see that and are they just taking that information and relaying it back to their past self you have to go up a level you know go up a level it says you're wrong about time you're

wrong about space right okay you don't know where you are you don't know what time it is in fact you don't know what time is yeah okay now when I talk to a physicist like Eric Davis that's what he tells me he says you know those Dimensions like space and time they're arbitrary yeah you know they something deeper that creates the illusion of space and time in

ability to sort of manipulate time and travel through time and the fourth dimension and The Fifth Dimension and so are these beings sort of trans temporal in nature and maybe they're ascended versions of us where doesn't just work the way you know it does you know in our case and I hate using the the word Quantum is so overused but there is this idea of sort of Hilbert space and all the subatomic spookiness if it does have to do with time weirdness is there some

layer that we don't quite have access to and we're living in a kind of a classical compressed form and so it's not really future humans it's like ascended humans or something well I yes I think so and I don't know if those are necessarily mutually exclusive and it could come down to i' never thought about this before but listening you say this would kind of make sense that maybe the same dichotomy where time doesn't work or exist the way we think it does

because our our Evolution has forced us into this pigeon hold reality where we can only experience it linearly because we have these brains that have to exist in these environments that have been trained to do so but maybe that exists at the macroscopic level too you know granted millions of people have purportedly either seen something or have had some kind of interaction which you know I can't tell you either way if that happened but they believe it right John Max stuff right and so it's like prevalent but not prevalent at the same

time and it's this like like little Shadow game of like showing a little bit but most of the activity is kind of below the noise floor and it like drove me crazy trying to understand like what is going on on here reports of flying saucers are nothing new from the beginning of recorded time men have been seen unexplainable things in the sky from Mesopotamia to Egypt to Roswell people have seen unexplained objects in the sky throughout human history which makes

sense because if time travel is possible in the future that means it's always been possible past primitive rituals and tribes often deal with sort of cranial deformation to make a person look a little bit more like a a gray alien or something yeah intentional cranial modification it's ubiquitous throughout the world where you're binding their head with the cranial wrapping or the cranial boarding like the Maya would just stick the kid's head between two boards and squish it and there was even one group uh a paper by gson and gson

1995 where they interviewed them and said why why do you do this and they said because our ancestors were instructed by the gods to do this more like them so yeah you have to wonder is there a connection because the cranial facial form that you get from this is very reminiscent of what we understand as part of our cultural knowledge now as being a part of this great alien physiology so continuing from what you were saying are we safe as like a human

species because I mean I might have watched too many movies but like let's say we do have a captive non-human species somewhere we don't know I don't know if it's confirmed or not but let's say we do how do we how how do we know that they're like kind if not coming back to yeah I mean we can only you know through external observation and a humanistic lens kind of you know see intent if it's malice or benevolence I mean I mean if the universe certainly has a yin and yang so they're certainly dark with light so they're certainly going to be some malevolence and at

least some of the things that some of my interview subjects told me about sounded malevolent to me but there seems to be a lot of neutrality and benevolence as well so I think it's a mixed bag it's just like humans right are humans are generally kind but we also kill animals for food and like if you were a cow you'd be like these evil humans are going to chop me up and like you know eat me so it's but we're not actually benevolent or excuse me malevolent as a whole but some lower sentient species would see us as malevolent intent is

really difficult to pin down especially cuz as we're talking about earlier you're talking about intent with a lot of different groups I think I mentioned earlier what's the intent of humans you know you can't just group us together as one entity and say we all have the same reason for doing things and the same behaviors and and you multiply that across time and there's going to be a lot of different reasons for doing things maybe we're in the middle of a cosmic timeline war on the one side we have an advanced civilization who have ascended from us in the future they live

in a trans temporal Dimension a dimension beyond the bounds of time and are struggling to communicate with human beings on the other hand you have forces wanting to M human consciousness like a natural resource through distractions and Engineering tribalism to enslave us keep us violently scapegoating each other the cycle continues and they continue to mine that is I would say the principal theme in my most recent book is that exact question the different timelines the intent who's benefiting

from that timeline over another one there's a lot of really interesting questions that stem from that and then you have you know for the last couple years you had Ross colart and Frank Milburn talking about this cataclysm thing you've got the continuing nut job in North Korea where he's trying to demonstrate a capacity to launch icbms at the continental United States and then you've got China you've got the everpresent risk of China also UFOs showing up more around the creation of our nuclear programs and attempting to monitor shut down or in certain cases activate nuclear facilities would make

complete sense in the context of future humans trying to maintain their ideal timeline and maybe even ensure their own existence every generation thought it was the last it always thought that this the end times are coming the end is n it's sort of this epic cliche throughout human history but there does seem to be almost a need for it and I can't help but wonder if we're on the precipice of a massive revolution in human consciousness yeah we either evolve

there together or we bifurcate and still evolve there but in a very different way the sacred knowledge has never been lost only been covered with myriads of confusion and complicated whatever is going on but it is still here humans tend to report seeing UFOs when they're in certain heightened States Of Consciousness maybe that's when they're closest to their future selves it's like Michelangelo cine Chapel God's finger is extended to

its maximum but Adam's finger is slightly contracted the point is that God is always there but the decision is left to man to reach out maybe we have the same relationship with our future selves and it's on us to reach out the fact that it recorded static isn't what interest what interests me is that it recorded

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