The CIA Scientist Who Built UFOs Before Bob Lazar (Townsend Brown Documentary)

I'm talking about is named towns and brown towns and brown towns and brown towns and brown towns and brown there's a guy named towns and brown okay okay towns and brown I want to look that up the Holy Grail of physics involves the unification of the four fundamental forces which includes finding a missing link between electromagnetism and gravity Einstein actually spent the latter half of his career trying to solve for this mathematically we're not being honest about the failure of string the there's an infinite number of universes that are possible right in your room

in fact modern UFO whistleblower David grush has publicly stated that Robert sarbacher helped set up UFO secrecy sarbacher somebody purportedly involved in the standup of the stuff that I uncovered right Brown's 1953 Winter Haven proposal almost exact ly resembles how all insiders describe America's Secret UFO program no one has the whole puzzle or an image of the whole puzzle but they have pieces the whole thing was set up to be that way previously the towns & Brown

fan club has been relegated to obscure Forums on the dark corners of the internet coun Browns like potato chips you just can't stop but just last year far more concrete details have emerged about Brown's life thanks to paulish shatkin the author of Brown's amazing new biography the man who mastered gravity why do you think these people spoke to you now we're getting some interesting territory the story is a Vindication of brown a resounding defense of his work one that points to a new paradigm of science that was proven experimentally and witnessed by the

highest levels of American government just to get sequestered off fiscated and go into deep black Aerospace and if you're interested in Bob Lazar I'd say Brown's work even Prov provides a better explanation of the whole Bob Lazar story than Bob Lazar himself but we'll get into that later I knew that he wasn't the crank that wanted to go play with pineapples and Electro culture I also learned from Townsen Brown's daughter Linda that the inventor would constantly speak of biblical UFOs

and aliens behind closed doors and with his family he was also genuinely obsessed with time travel I think he worried a l TR how humans were going to react when they finally had to grow up and accept the fact that they're not alone my new friend Jan lanquist an absolute research Prodigy with an identic memory also sits down with me I may be the wor expert on Town and brown you might know more than anybody in the world I might all of this stuff which was being looked at 60 years ago is

still really cutting it up I also speak with Nick cook famed Aviation journalist and author author of The Hunt for Zero Point Cook spent decades speaking to physicists Titans of Aerospace even multiple presidents of Skunk Works studying the history of aerospace's interest in anti-gravity and finally I get to grill a Navy scientist who holds a deep understanding of the fundamental and theoretical implications of Brown's work but cannot reveal his identity for fear of reprisals

and the reactor will need to be able to put out perhaps so 50 million Watts so so without further Ado hit subscribe and prepare to take a stroll down the rabbit hole with this week's American Alchemist The Godfather of American dark science and the original UFO architect Thomas Townsen Brown different parts of the rain have different activities but you know that don't you people you up maybe you should interview me

given that we're about to cover some fairly dangerous subjects like a century-long government anti-gravity and UFO cover up I would like to make the public disclaimer that I'm actually the happiest and healthiest I've ever been and do not wish to do any harm to myself and that's the perfect segue into today's sponsor betterhelp better help is an online platform that matches you with one of over 30,000 LIC therapists in their network based on your needs preferences and location personally I've been lucky enough to come from a family of shrinks in fact my

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would electrocute the soil with charged rods so worms would come to the surface it's those sorts of stories just pattern match so much for me for like like this prodigious inventor type he was touted as zanesville's second Edison by the local papers when he made his first Wireless Telegraph at 12 years old and like Edison and Einstein he did poorly in school earning mediocre grades in all subjects except physics and history where he effortlessly earned A's he was an autodidact and he learned what he wanted to learn from a young age Brown dreamed of interstellar travel and

alien contact Paul shatkin documents an intimate exchange townzen had on a sailboat with his soon Tobe wife Josephine someday men will travel in space just as easily as we are sailing now great ships will silently push away from Earth just as easy as the sailboat pushed away from the dock to to go back to the very beginning in the tals and Brown story he was a student and I think this might have been when he was at Caltech when they were doing experiments with

Crooks x-ray tubes m and what he observed was that when a high voltage was applied to the crooks tube he noticed that the wire conducting the voltage jumped the Byfield Brown effect is an anomalous physics principle at the heart of this story and it also invites the most controversy the basic experiment involves placing a neutral insulator or dialectric between two metal plates one positively charged and the other negative for greater thrust the posit positive plate should be smaller than

the negative plate so the whole system is called an asymmetric capacitor because of the different plate sizes when a high direct current in the mega Volt range is applied to the system the negative plate starts to chase the positive plate this happens even if the positive plate is placed skywards in other words the negative to positive thrust seems to beat gravity many institutions and people have tried to either downplay or falsify ify Brown's experiments for example in 1990 the

Air Force tested a Byfield Brown experiment in a vacuum but they only used 19 kts instead of the mega voltage Brown was using one of the things that seems to be a consistent theme through all of the various steps in Brown's life is the need for extremely high voltages and extremely low currents besides using laughably low voltage the other way people have historically written Brown off is by saying that the thrust created by the system is simply a product of ion wind pressure

but in 1956 jacqu coron a French Air Force officer and Technical representative for one of France's largest aircraft companies Su West facilitated Brown's experiments in a vacuum in the Mont golfier facility in Paris I think he was OS I think he was a French Canadian Heritage his father was an antique stealer named Lewis out of Montreal y shatkin actually met jacqu Corone in April of 2008 in Pennsylvania right before he died still fully Lucid the 98-year-old French Aerospace

veteran confirmed the mon golfier reports findings and the bizarre anomalous effect he witnessed with Browns an effect that flew in the face of conventional science the very very very it was sensitive to so so many things in vacum finally to so thaty as brown said after the experiment himself in short it appears there is strong evidence that the Byfield Brown effect does

exist in the negative to positive direction in a vacuum of at least 10 the -6th tour the residual thrust is several orders of magnitude larger than the remaining ambient ionization can account for that's basically just a fancy way of reiterating that brown believed he had figured out a possible link between electromagnetism and gravity and that the thrusts he witnessed with his charged discs were far greater than what could be explained Away by ionic wind the people in France are writing to jacqu and they're saying we're inviting so and so to see a demonstration well each of those

demonstrations was a level higher which indicates they're getting some reaction they're getting some Ministry of science generals such and such last one was the French atomic energy whatever their atomic energy name was but jacqu coron and his French contemporaries are just the first of five incredibly reliable Witnesses the second reliable witness to towns and Browns experiments is agnu bonson air conditioning magnate and anti-gravity and physics Patron out of University of North

at extremely low currents while serving as a patron for towns and Brown's experimental gravity work bonson holds the 1957 Chapel Hill conference the goal of which was to bring together the world's top theoretical physicists to understand gravity which is a Confluence of the two families the wittens and the DTs with Fineman and Wheeler and all of these unbelievable characters and attendance coincidentally the whole conference is sponsored by Wright Airfield that's right what became Wright Patterson Air Force Base and the place that is perhaps the epicenter of all UFO

mythology starting with Roswell as Eric wein and others have noted the Chapel Hill conference ends up sending academic theoretical physics into a complete deadend culdesac by establishing quantum gravity which leads to string theory the copian academic framework that has basically led to no empirical results since the 70s string theory was a very odd development because it both allowed physics to proceed as if it was doing something new while breaking no new ground in the physical

world in which we live I don't really know if you were trying to stagnate the field strength area is pretty brilliant but why would you try to stagnate physics maybe because in the 40s and 50s physics was leading to increasingly catastrophic death weapons maybe the physicists at Chapel Hill were engaging in self- sabotage with quantum gravity or maybe they were putting safety guard rails on academic physics but perhaps the most fascinating clue to where the real vital off the

always attract each other gravitationally but what if somehow you had a different kind of mass that was negative just like you could have negative and positive charges oddly the negative mass is still attracted just the same way to the positive mass as if it there was no difference but the positive mass is always repelled so you get this weird solution where the negative Mass chases the positive mass and they go off to like you know unbounded acceleration remember in relativity you have mass energy equivalents and if you just swap out mass and replace it with energy

in what Weinstein is saying here you have an exact description of towns and Brown's work the negative Mass chases the positive Mass the negative electrode moves toward the positive electr so if you were to remove relativity's positivity conditions you may provide a plausible theoretical framework for towns and Browns work and remember Townsen Brown was working with bonson while the Chapel Hill conference was being held and according to author Paul Le Violet Brown was even at the conference I can just picture the spooky Renegade inventor popping into the conference

and laughing at the high and mighty theoretical physicists groping in the dark at solutions for anti-gravity while he's doing the real vital experimental work in the back lab Weinstein then goes on to say something that I find just as fascinating the highbrow version of this doesn't work and the lowbrow version of this doesn't work so far as We Know the lowra version is called electrogravitics gravit Dynamics electrogravitics was basically a term invented around towns

and brown work but how do we know the low brow applied version of anti-gravity towns and Brown's electrogravitics wasn't actually effective yet strategically stigmatized because of its defense implications especially if these artificial positivity conditions in general relativity are used to explain away other anomalous effects involving negative Mass my take here is that low brow terms like electrogravitics were basically used to stigmatize more vital exciting off the

books physics that way the public in Academia wouldn't investigate it does our government have a protocol to wield stigma as a tool for keeping its programs secret is is the government certainly there are parts of the government who consider consider that to be their job I'm friends with a SpaceX veteran and he told me that when SpaceX was just starting out Boeing and locked Martin would always use the term rocket science to make rockets seem more esoteric than they were

and to demotivate new entrance like SpaceX was the same thing basically going on with electr gravitics the next credible witness of towns and Brown's work is a guy named Victor brandus a Major General in the Air Force who helped negotiate the Japanese surrender in World War II and worked with Colonel Albert Boyd who ran the Air Force's flight test division at again right Airfield brandus paid an unannounced visit to a demo of Brown's gravitator at the towns and Brown Foundation in

1952 after witnessing the demo he said believe it or not I saw a model of a flying saucer I thought I should report it there was a lot of objection to my getting in there by the party that took me and the thing frighten me frighten me for the fact that it is being held or conducted by a private group if it ever gets away I say that it is in the stage in which atomic development was in the early days the fourth credible witness is Paul Alfred bfield the Ohio based physicist who

had studied alongside Einstein in the 20s he came up with the idea for using capacitors in Brown's experiments he has a discussion with beld about what might be an instrument for inducing a gravitational field if you if that could be done with electricity and beld says I think it might be a capacitor so that's the origin that's why he calls it the bifel gra effect because he's giving credit to bifel for that part of the inspiration but detractors like to claim that brown and bfield never met you see a lot of people trying to play down

his interactions with Robert milikin at Caltech and then Paul bfield they say he never met Paul bfield and then this affidavit comes out later Paul bfield definitely met and brown it's the first time we have an objective Observer saying that there is some anomalous effect here that is unaccounted for in conventional known physics and that document is signed by Paul Alfred bifel the final credible witness is none other than Edward Teller the father of the American

hydrogen bomb who observed Brown's experiment at his home in Berkeley with Brown's daughter Linda and teller's wife Augusta present teller was completely Dum struck by Brown in his demo and he looks at it and finally he said I don't understand how it works and he says I have no idea what makes this work so there we are in the realm of this anomalous electrical effect that no more personage than Edward Teller couldn't understand and his wife

tells Linda whose townin daughter and says oh you don't know how nice it is to hear him say that exactly and then there's a 1943 FBI file on Brown that shotkin has recently surfaced it says that brown knew more about radar detection than any individual in the US Navy I'm not saying that competence in radar proves his gravity manipulation experiments worked but I am saying that the idea that brown was a failed hack quickly dissolves upon doing a little research when shatkin tries to use the Freedom of Information Act to retrieve Brown's records from

the Navy they repeatedly play dumb at first and act like they aren't even aware of a man with that name in the Navy they're basically saying well this is strange we can't seem to find his records anywhere then when shatkin provides them with 20 plus letters between brown and the research laboratory they deny his request when Townsen daughter Linda Brown makes the same request citing a special Clause that family service requests have to to be honored they first give her the records of the wrong towns in brown a naval Commander so I'm sitting with all this information and they're

trying to tell me he didn't exist and then give her a very slim clearly edited version of her father's service they hint to her that a lot of towns and Brown's work was classified not only classified me we can't tell you if it's classified yeah when Tom vone of the Integrity Research Institute tried to locate a copy of an appraisal of Brown's experiments conducted in 1950 to by the naval research laboratory the laboratory no longer had it the paper was called the TT Brown electrogravity device and so now we can discount it nothing to see here right and I find out he

wasn't the crank that he's been labeled the Quadra and the GP so why exactly did Brown have such a quacky reputation his work getting completely stigmatized maybe it's because he wanted it that way you see in 1950 during a demo in Pearl Harbor Brown's work was compromised by a Soviet spy acting as a janitor Brown was so disconcerted that from that point on he began showing people the wrong version of his work to throw them off the trail on the real science underlying it brown then engages on his own self discrediting campaign to divert attention from the work that was taken

into the Black Realm this trick he played was referred to as his wounded prairie chicken routine as Paul writes prairie chickens have a to distract Predators from their nest they limp away from the nest as if injured then at a safe distance they recover and fly away Brown would show people his fluid dialectric system rather than the real solid dialectric gravitator the fluid dialectric is what's behind the lifter technology small tinfoil triangles seen in countless DIY YouTube

videos these sort of make Brown's work look like an eighth grade science fair project it wears the mantle of having some kind of G itic effect but it is attributed to the ionic wind the tin foil level is the large plate and the wire is the small plate mhm but when they are charged the wire generates ions that's what causes it to lift but if you have a solid dialectric you're not going to get that ionic production oh interesting interesting so that's where and and but it's like so simar

it's like perfect the best disinfo is 95% true and 5% false and I people don't understand that unless do you think that Brown's work just took the form of these useless gravitator and never work their way into functional Aerospace Vehicles we have a decent amount of evidence that northrip grumman's B2 stealth bomber actually uses town and Brown's principles I don't know I've even talked to some people who are like former Northrup and stuff and like nobody's given me any first principles reasons as to why it no it doesn't it doesn't use the bfield BR effect like it's it's all like oh

that's a myth but it there's nothing substantive around why it doesn't work it's just like don't don't look at this or something which makes me just want to look at it more of course remember that demo Brown did for teller that blew him away well it convinced a prominent lawyer in Aerospace Finance here named Floyd odam to invest $4,000 in Brown's Santa Monica based company guidance Technologies people who have Capital who are always being approached with propositions for their Capital they want somebody to tell them it's going to be okay when odam made his

investment in Brown in the 60s he was a majority owner of northri before its merger with grummet remember that fact in 1967 after having multiple highlevel meetings with the Rand Corporation Bill leer and general Curtis lame and critic May kind of followed my dad down the steps towns and brown shuts down guidance Technologies with no explanation just 3 months later Floyd odams Northrup writes a paper saying that they are investing in Electro aerodynamics basically

towns and Browns work and then they retracted that press release oh wa we didn't mean for that one to get out right and actually that 1968 paper which I also found was on electrostatics and whether electrostatics could confer a kind of an advantage to an airframe if you charge the airframe electrostatically it is said that and in fact the northr paper demonstrated a reduction in in aerodynamic drag Dan Marcus was a pseudonymously named but very prominent British physicist that

served as a primary source for Nick cook in the hunt for zero points when Marcus searched for the northrip paper on Electro aerodynamics at the American Institute of Aeronautics and astronautics he found that it had totally vanished after Decades of classified work on the B2 stealth bomber and maybe some investigation into towns and Brown's work northrup's Premier stealth vehicle was revealed to use an electrostatic effect in its wings producing a Byfield Brown effect the B2 surfs its own electrostatic wave the negative Cloud chasing the positive wing and the plane is

effectively surfing that wave at high altitudes where the wings don't have as much bite on the air and the B2 was built by the merged Northrup grummet whose major investor Floyd odam was the same guy that invested in towns and Browns company guidance Technologies in the' 60s so maybe maybe Brown's guidance Technologies didn't fail at all maybe it figured out some exotic propulsion Tech which northrip had 20 years to perfect with the B2 stealth bomb so are we just witnessing a little wounded prairie chicken routine with some covert IP transfer personally I am not sure

if the B2 uses any sort of anti-gravity effect it clearly uses some sort of charge around its skin as a mechanism to probably lower its radar signature this might also improve the the lift to drag ratio of The Craft it's plausible to me and it's also plausible that they would deny that that technology totally is is at work we had a person involved in the what we call the before Times Forum his name was Raymond lavas who is passed now who was a Canadian mathematician who

uh swears that there was some very esoteric math that he worked on for the B to but Britain's most eminent Aerospace journalist Bill Gunston fellow of the royal aeronautical Society famously wrote an article called military power it was published in Air International magazine as a comprehensive rundown on aerial engine technology since the end of the second world war this guy was so knowledgeable about stuff he was to a junior like me when I first joined the organization

his knowledge was Godlike to me you know and there he comes up with this astounding article that the B2 you know when you run all the weights and the propulsion Dynamics it would have been incapable of the performance figures credited for it so therefore it had to have some other boost to its capabilities it's its regular capabilities and this he said was down to this electrogravitic

propulsion SCE which was astounding Gunston not only portrayed the B2 anti-gravity Drive story as fact but went on to reveal that he had been well acquainted with the rudiments of TT Brown's theories for years but had no wish to reside in the Tower of London so he had refrained from discussing clever aeroplanes with leading edges charged to millions of volts positive and trailing edges to millions of volts negative so the verdict is still out but I think there's a lot of evidence that at least some of towns and Browns work made it into the B2 and then you ask yourself the

question if there was covert IP transfer into the B2 bomber what other Aerospace things did Brown's work make it into MIT has demonstrated a plane with no moving Parts their ion plane uh the demonstration plane looks like maybe it's 12 ft across and it's flying inside a room but they're explaining where they get the idea and they say we took our idea from an obscure scientist back

in the 20s they don't name him but they show pages of town since research and that's being displayed now right that's cool so the ions go from the positive to the negative colliding all the way with neutral air molecules that's essentially how it flies so we know MIT students as recent as 2018 are investigating towns and Brown's work I also introduced Nick cook and Paul shatkin for an off- camera meeting just to ensure that they weren't being thrown off by the same disinformation sources we found out that they had very different contacts again both claiming that the B2 stealth

bomber implemented aspects of towns and Brown's work and if that doesn't fully vindicate Brown's Aerospace Legacy here's an official 204 NASA Marshall space flight center patent under a senior engineer named John Campbell for a barrel-shaped asymmetrical capacitor naturally the associated white paper mentions towns and brown a lot but mainly in the context of updates in ionic propulsion it's a bit more skeptical of the ability for the Byfield Brown effect to work in a vacuum again I'll reiterate that I'm open to the possibility that Brown's work simply amounted

to very exotic ionic wind propulsion implemented in Black Aerospace and that his work ultimately didn't marry electromagnetism and gravity but there are two other possibilities with this NASA paper number one is that the Air Force and contractors like locked and northr know a lot more than NASA and number two is that NASA was playing dumb you see in 2003 right before they filed their towns and Brown related patents NASA announced through an article in the guardian that it would be ending its breakthrough physics and gravity manipulation efforts the article is basically a

dedication to towns and brown whose quote unquote name may be forgotten but his dream lives on but they don't explicitly cite any reasons for ceasing their investigation into Brown's work this I think is ultimately what's very hard to talk about is to what extent the things that he discovered in the 1920s and 30s to what extent could that be the foundation of whatever has been developed completely off the books and were black do you think Bob Lazar is full of [ __ ] Bob Lazar Bob

Lazar Bob Lazar the really confusing thing for people that are detractors is he really hasn't changed his story in 31 years it really is the same story if you are not one of the tens of millions of people who've listened to to his podcast with Joe Rogan Bob Lazar claimed he worked at a secret compartmentalized facility at Area 51 called S4 in the Nevada desert reverse engineering a flying saucer that looked like this I went into the hanger door and in the hanger door was the disc the Flying Saucer this is technology that doesn't even exist Lazar had been recruited

to work there after reportedly meeting with Edward Teller the father of the hydrogen bomb and once Lazar was read in he was sworn to secrecy about his work now you'd think it would be pretty easy to write Lazar off as crazy but he definitely knew some real classified American Secrets for example people hadn't even heard of the top secret flight testing facility Area 51 before and they definitely didn't know its location in Nevada's Groom Lake Lazar also remained remarkably consistent in his story since ' 89 when it came out but here's the weirdest detail that makes me

who's made a great documentary about Bob Lazar Corbell assured me that Lear could bar tie his own shoes he just had a really wide filter and was duped by a lot of the people around him I respect Jeremy Corbell and George nap a lot they and Ross Kart are basically the only guys meeting with people in and around the actual UFO program on the front lines but after doing a little more research on John leer I kind of just think he was doing the bidding of the CIA he acted like he disaffiliated from the CIA in ' 83 but according to George knap himself Lear may have flown planes for the CIA

well into the 80s around the the time he leaked the Lazar story your CIA if there was an active UFO program under the CIA going on in the'80s why would they continue to contract with a guy leaking secrets about their Holy Grail top black program that's like the department of energy continuing to pay a person who is leaking the nuclear codes I want to be very clear I'm not saying that the information Bob Lazar put out is fully wrong or fake I'm not even saying he definitively didn't

work on exotic craft of off-planet origin and I'm definitely not saying that the reporting on him was all a waste of time what I am saying is that clearly someone on the inside someone likely connected to John leer obviously wanted this story out now what what kind of proof do you have that that that is true how do you know that just think about it for a second Lear was not only close friends with Lazar before Lazar got hired by Area 51 Lear had an active newsletter about UFOs at at the time Lear constantly spoke at UFO conferences in Vegas became

very actively involved in muon a civilian UFO organization wrote Anonymous pieces with Behold a Pale Horse author and crazy conspiracy theorist Bill Cooper he even visited Paul benowitz and in case you don't recall benowitz was the victim of a horrible scop perpetrated by an Air Force technology vertically taking off and landing at kland Air Force Base Dodie convinced him that

involved towns and Brown's work what does stories like that do well they obscure the truth you know they act as smoke screams for anyone who's trying to do serious investigation on people like brown because of the taint that comes with them other aliens appear to be essentially the same as earthmen while still others have particularly ride wraparound eyes do you really think a real UFO reverse engineering program wouldn't do a basic background check on Lazar and know his

good friend was a babbling UFO nut and that might just be a red flag for hiring you in the first place most people think I'm absolutely nut let's just reiterate the timeline here's what was going on in the 70s John leer and his good friend an aviation photog photographer and journalist named Jim Goodall are camping out of Area 51 in Groom Lake constantly at the time Area 51 security is very aware of John Lear and know exactly who he is by Jeremy Corbell and George nap's own admission in the 80s Lear continues to fly cargo planes for the CIA on top secret missions and then

Lazar gets hired at Area 51 by an apparent secret CIA UFO program that doesn't seem to care that his friend Lear has been hanging out around Area 51 and photographing it for the better part of a decade they also don't seem to care that John leer has been systematically spilling secrets So we saw uh we showed him the Billy Meier's tapes In 1989 Bob Lazar goes public with John Lear introducing him to George Knapp

Lazar describes working on a flying saucer that looks exactly like Billy Meier's sports model it looked like uh if anyone's familiar with uh Billy Meier's uh sightings very astonishingly similar to that uh that craft and what about the line from Jacque Vallee's book about UFO misinformation Valle claims that Lazar told him about a strange liquid he was made to drink and the memory lapses it caused relax but why would Lear or his handlers want to spread all these lies flood the Zone with

craziness on a core secret you're worried might get out eventually but with someone you know you can discredit in basar soften the blow for the public when the leak eventually does occur or maybe protect some deep black Aerospace Tech by emphasizing its less directly actionable elements exotic meta materials that came from the sky instead of the very terrestrial propulsion and physics breakthroughs which are easier to recreate but also kind of dangerous what does Townsen Brown and the B2 stealth bomber have anything to to do with Bob Lazar well indirectly probably a

whole lot see it's important to understand what was happening in defense and more specifically stealth aviation technology in the 80s the stealth Revolution was just beginning you know stealth was just beginning to ramp up and you could almost see someone going hey you know what we're we're going to need a bit of unconventional cover for this new technology that's about to come online in ' 87 leer leaks a story about the f117 stealth fighter to kaas naps news station in Las Vegas and also

gives them a bunch of supposedly top secret UFO tips he had told my boss Ned day managing editor about this amazing plane that was invisible to radar flying up in tonapa in Area 51 by nap's own account this information on The f-117a establishes credibility for leer with the news station but on a plane in the F-117 that is no longer state-of-the-art and in fact one had just crashed in Bakersfield in 1986 and had been outed to the public it also probably wasn't the most

openly expressed frustration at all the money he had to spend on Tech protection maybe the Extraterrestrial narrative in the 80s was being used to protect deep black Aerospace projects like the Aurora or the Astra these are the two code names used for the long rumored high-speed black triangle stealth surveillance craft made by locked Martin and allegedly tested out of Groom link and this was around the same time Lazar was there after all the Aurora was probably loi's answer to

northrip B2 as the two prime defense contractors were locked in head-to-head competition in times of peak defense spending so maybe the Aurora also used flight principles inspired by towns and brown for some context here the US geological surveys at the time were picking up Sonic booms presumably from a supersonic craft and they knew it wasn't created by space shuttle or the SR71 Blackbird the Aurora had also showed up as a line item in the 1987 Congressional budget with $2.3 billion

earmarked for it something locki had trouble explaining away and then finally auroras were being spotted left and right around the world an oil rig engineer witnessed and sketched one near the North Sea in 1989 the same year the Bazar story came out we ran that story in Jam's defense weekly it created a huge much finally there are British Ministry of Defense documents from the late '90s that discuss black triangular high-speed Recon aircrafts made by locked Martin that utilize

exotic propulsion so I think the Aurora is real I just think it uses exotic propulsion technology that may have its roots in town and brown you may not find out in a month a year 5 years or 10 years but you'll look back at what I'm telling you now and you'll say to yourself my gosh the son of a gun was right Bob Lazar himself even said he saw the Aurora while working at Groom Lake but Lazar apparently found it very unimpressive compared to the disc technology he was working on tell us a

little more about the Aurora you witnessed taking off out of Area 51 it was a large craft and it had two huge Square exhaust with veins and it sounded more like a rocket than a jet there again working on the disc technology I really could care less what was rolling around at Area 51 again again Lazar is being used to amplify the UFO narrative while simultaneously downplaying the real human Tech that could end up in adversary hands and get weaponized and if you're locked and in

possession of a real UFO craft and maybe the work on that craft is stagnated you can also use Lazar as a recruitment tool for engineering Talent who want to pursue breakthroughs in extraterrestrial technology but may not have even been aware of the existence of such technology before Lazar maybe that also explains Robert Weiss the director of Skunk Works and his connection to Tom Delong and ttsa to the Stars Academy later in 2017 see if you're locki you want the right talent and

propulsion research Bill Lear invented the Learjet the first commercial business airliner and ran Lear Incorporated an aerospace company based in Santa Monica he famously developed the car radio radio direction finders and the first fully automatic Landing system for an aircraft he was widely known as the autopilot wizard if there was an original program working on anti-gravity propulsion Bill leer was on it in fact a 1956 article for Jane's defense weekly States and William leer the autopilot wizard is already figuring out gravity control for the

weightless craft to come Lear is even on record at the time stating that one of his reasons for believing in flying saucers was the existence of American Research efforts into anti-gravity corporation's headquarters were across the street from towns and Brown's guidance Technologies and Brown's daughter Linda recalls the two inventors getting lunch practically every day we used to walk across there was a little diner right across the street there's even a video of Lear visiting agnu bonson labs in North Carolina and witnessing towns and Brown's gravitator experiments yes John

leer had a personal falling out with his father who cut him out of his will but by all accounts Jon seemed pretty proud of his father's work he cared all sorts of Aviation records and was probably at the Forefront of advanced Aviation Technology at the time and actually when John leer saw this footage of his father with Townsen Brown he was reportedly very emotional so there's actually a pretty coherent clear picture here Lear senior works with towns and brown at guidance Technologies on anti-gravity this anti-gravity work makes it into stealth Aviation and advanced

propulsion technology in the80s and then Lear Jr floods The Zone with alien related disinformation to protect these exotic propulsion breakthroughs the novel propulsion physics of towns and brown in 1971 the Australian government's Department of Defense and their joint intelligence organization wrote an assessment of UFOs and whether their government should be investing more resources into the phenomenon the document writes a more astounding decision on the part of the US government was to allocate considerable funds to investigate gravity and a means of

controlling Gravity the six research centers being established were at The Institute for advanced study at Princeton Indiana University Purdue University University of North Carolina in the Massachusetts Institute of Technology through the Gravity Research Institute one of these anti-gravity research centers University of North Carolina Chapel Hill was basically just agnu bonson and his Institute for field physics bonson Chief theoretical physicist was Bryce dwit and his chief experimentalist was towns and brown in fact right Airfield Base in close coordination

with Martin Corporation had their own division of theoretical physics anti-gravity research headed up by a guy named Josh Goldberg Martin Corporation pre-lock merger was represented by a mathematician named Lewis Whitten the reason there was a laboratory at wght field was to find out what we were doing and to help us do it and I got a contract from rightfield to do it to do gravity which I did very happily Lewis Wht worked for Martin corporation's anti-gravity research

hair supposedly picked up in the crash retrieval of an advanced Aerospace vehicle nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these bismuth seems to show up everywhere see bismuth has what's known as a high K factor meaning it stores a lot of electromagnetic charge using an insulator with a high K factor in the bfield brown experiment is essential for the level of thrust that you can achieve was Lewis Whitten just referring to one of Brown's insulator materials but where did all this high level theoretical physics research on anti-gravity

go again the simple answer might be that physics just got shephered into the dead end of quantum gravity and string theory but remember in the 50s and 60s you had all these top physicists working on the nature of gravity including Robert J Oppenheimer Who David grush claims helped set up UFO secrecy Oppenheimer somebody reportedly involved in the standup of the stuff that I uncovered right and we're meant to believe it just sputtered out quieted down because nobody ever got anywhere or it quieted it down because it did get somewhere and it went black and why

would the cia's office of scientific intelligence need to do all this theoretical anti-gravity work in the first place well maybe it's because they were in possession of exotic crafts and trying to figure out how they work the obvious candidates for these crafts would be the meta materials retriev in crashes like those at Roswell Aztec and Kingman but what if there was another source for exotic discs in American possession a source with its roots deep in Nazi black projects the year is 1945 the place Nazi Germany Allied fighter pilots have reported

is none other than Townsen Brown Townsen Brown who was living in California at the time was pressed into service flown into England and then from England flown into Germany and from a very low altitude parachuted Behind Enemy Lines into Germany where he was recovered by the character that I have codenamed in the book O'Reilly going through the papers there was a telegram that had

been sent to Linda's mother and it was was from the Rockefeller Plaza building and it was signed in trepid which was William Stevenson's name code name and Stevenson is saying your husband is recuperating fine in an English Hospital we'll send him home soon in a fact so I realized then that not everybody that goes on a secret mission and gets wounded has a telegram sent to reassure

their family that they're at the time retrieving top classified Tech and weaponry from a Nazi Germany that seemed very close to defeat was a big priority covert missions like alos and tyom involved top American scientists heading Behind Enemy Lines in order to vet captured Nazi scientists in their exotic nuclear Communications and propulsion technology it was rumored at the time also in Nazi Germany that they were working on flying sauce or flying disc programs Brown

was called in by William Stevenson the mi6's top spy and the inspiration for James Bond the other leader of the mission was Wild Bill Donovan who ran the OSS both guys played a big part in the initial formation of the CIA the tyom mission which Brown was associated with took place in East Germany Brown was captured by the Nazis and made a prisoner of war just to get rescued shortly thereafter by the Americans we have no idea what Brown found or retrieved in Germany and we're not sure just how far east he made it but we do know SS officer Hans commer probably ran

a secret weapons unit for the Nazis called Shota Works which you can think of as the German Skunk Works Shoto was split between three locations berno and pilzen in Czechoslovakia and vlof in modern-day Poland the secret unit worked on anti-aircraft lasers nuclear propulsion for rockets and aircraft and directed energy weapons there were also rumors of some very exotic propulsion going on we don't know for sure that shotto works existed but there's a ton of corroborative evidence that it probably did that Nick cook outlines in his great book The Hunt

for zero point Albert Spear wrote of Hans commer he was a cold ruthless schemer commer employed Aerospace Visionaries like Rudolph Shriver and Richard Maita Maita is the mysterious high voltage physicist that Townsen Brown's task force reportedly helped capture for the Allied Forces he was a high voltage electrical engineer that they were looking for and here again this what is the role of extremely high voltages and extremely low currents what is what is its role in the possible generation of synthetic gravitational fields Brown was likely part of this operation because maita's

work bore an uncanny resemblance to his own in fact it turns out there's a long lineage of high voltage physicists creating these high electrical charges with low current across short distances this was exactly what nicoa Tesla was rumored to be working on at Warden Cliffe in Long Island meus contemporary German technician Rudolph shrier claims to have worked on a disc-shaped craft in Prague that made its first flight test in February of 1945 climbing to 40,000 ft in 3 minutes finally the German Flying Saucer program employed a mysterious Prodigy inventor named

Victor shurger sha Berger had invented a very unique form of propulsion using what he dubbed an impeller a propeller that induced an inward instead of outward flowing motion to draw water through a tube the the resulting power was nine times that of a conventional pressure turbine in 1941 an SS officer approached sha bger in Austria which prompted a period of complete silence in his life just a few weeks later he wrote a letter to his son Walter saying he was in Czechoslovakia and what I am doing quote unquote is secret and a lot of these guys came to the US at least in stint

after World War II some in part of paperclip others just they seem to be recruited out here projects yeah so maybe it was like there was some convergence and brown was working on this stuff in the US and then maybe he needed certain elements of the picture completed and we needed this retrieval process that's a very I like that very Jesse that that brown was kind of a a rogue operative who who you know went over here and found this people brought it behind the Curt this piece and brought it behind the curtain and then went over here and found that piece he brought it

behind the curtain and and we're suggesting that there is a lot of advanced techn ology that has somehow and and to me remarkably so that has been in fact developed off the books and out of public knowledge and and that there might be some truth to that door number two rumor that a lot of this stuff really exists John Warner ivth the grandson of CIA founding member Paul melon also has a story he likes to tell after his grandfather's thirdd Martini one night melon stated that he and Alan

dullis were in pilzen Czechoslovakia in late May 19 1945 and my grandfather said look you know we we were in a facility a hanger and we saw you know a German flying disc and I said you know oh is that the one that was cobbled together with six BMW jet engines and he laughed and he said no here's where the story gets Crazy by most accounts Maita one of the key aerospace engineers on the project and the guy that Townsen Brown captured ends up in Canada working on the avoc

car the avocar was a joint venture between the US and Canada run by a guy named John Frost to build basically a functional Flying Saucer shurger stays behind in Germany but gets approached by Frost in 1953 Meo was probably trying to convince Frost that he needed to get the Shoto Works band back together in other words the avocar was trying to recreate the legendary Nazi UFO program after sha Berger rejects Frost's offer a German American counter inell elligence agent named Carl gimer

visits Austria in 1957 promising shurger Millions to continue his work in Texas gers shimer then tricks sha Berger into signing all of his IP over to the US which gets branded as atomic energy research but why would exotic propulsion technology be classified as atomic research that surprised Nick cook a ton when he wrote his book in 2001 well now it makes complete sense in light of David gush's whistleblow Revelations the guys were involved in Manhattan were overlaying the

same ecosystem of secrecy and some of the same ways to uh protect stuff that they were protecting our nuclear secrets and what happens to the avocar project well nominally it fails in 1961 but in reality it moves to the US to write Patterson Air Force Base in the form of a project called project y or silverbug I call Curtis lame and I said General uh I know we have a room at right patter where you put all this secret stuff could I go in there I've never heard him get mad but he got mad

to France to proed that his experiments work in a vacuum and when Brown flew back to America from Paris who picked him up from the airport Robert sarbacher sarbacher somebody purportedly involved in the standup of the stuff that I uncovered right remember agnu bonson Brown's Patron in the ' 50s well in 1959 he actually wrote a science fiction novel called the stars are too high about a fake Alien Invasion perpetrated by Rogue anti-gravity scientists deep in intelligence in order to create

Global unity and ease tensions in the midst of the Cold War the original anti-gravity scientists who created The Flying Saucer in Bon's book were Nazi Germans developing UFOs in secret these Nazi scientists had defend Ed to America after the war to work with the Americans to perfect their Flying Saucer sarbacher wrote here I'll bring the book I have the book here here we have two books hyper and ultra high frequency engineering by Robert sarbacher and electronics and nuclear engineering

sarbacher is mysterious because he studied under Einstein assistant professor at Harvard then goes on to work at Georgia Tech which I think there's a line of the UFO stuff he he was uh while he was at Georgia Tech he was actually on the board of the Oakridge atomic energy and Oakridge is a first nuclear propulsion Center in the US do you have any idea of what he was studying at Washington National Lab it was published in the paper that he had asked for a renewal of a permit to pursue

Atomic research at this residential address in Washington DC which was his lab shortly after that read about Dr sarbacher and he says I am the director of the national research Labs Inc but that's what they were calling the labs the atomic energy Labs were the national research Labs so sarbacher was basically saying I am the secret director for these Labs that nobody knows about he

was an atomic energy expert his son is quoted as saying well my father was responsible for Chasing UFOs UFOs have visited every single nuclear base in the United States according to Robert Hastings fantastic book UFOs and nukes the book doc doents well over 100 very credible eyewitnesses working

Los Alamos employees in 1945 see UFOs flying around the nuclear base wouldn't the existence of UFOs have been more broadly leaked at the time well not if they were only visible in the air for a split second on film in the immediate aftermath of a nuclear detonation because when the bomb goes off you can't get in the first few seconds there are no electronics that work so you're not able to get any electrical readings or measurements so all you have to look at are the films coming

back from the test film that towns and brown may have been reviewing at Lookout Mountain laboratory serendipitously Lookout Mountain laboratory in towns and Brown's old house is just a few blocks away from my house in Laurel Canyon so Paul and I decided to pay Brown's old stomping grounds a visit how how long was he here for um 1942 to at least 1945 pretty wild here he is in Wonderland on Wonderland Drive In on Lookout Mountain in morl Canyon at the time when the Navy or the

Air Force were developing this radar facility and radar was one of his areas of established expertise at the time I started researching this it was described as oh that was a World War I radar command but now that more information is being released we learn learn that it was the film labs for the Manhattan engineering project you think there's a time machine in there yeah a portal yeah all all we have to do is bang on the door and break in and portal us straight into jail

somewhere Townsen Brown also spent the end of his life in Catalina which might might be the world's biggest hotspot of trans medium water-based UFOs a phenomenon very well documented by ufologist Preston Dennett in undersea UFO base about the Catalina Ridge he and sarbacher go to the Bahamas a decent amount they go to Nassau Nassau he does he takes his family to Nassau so what I

find interesting there is now there are tons of rumors around this site there called atic where a bunch of these possibly Usos sub submersible UFOs underwater UFOs are rumored to come out of the water there and there are these underground cables as well that you you see pictures of them that like nobody knows why there are cables going going down there's the comm's line or what is it yeah and why was he and Robert sarbacher constantly meeting you know at Nassau the

the presumption of the book is that maybe it was the Caroline group maybe it was this group that's behind the scenes kind of pulling the strings the Caroline carine group refers to a Consortium of international Elites and private sector Finance years who meet on a yacht called the Caroline this was the private yacht of Eldridge Reeves Johnson whose Victor Talking Machine Company was the predecessor of RCA records the Caroline group was simply a private Enterprise intelligence operation formed between people who had very high level corporate Capital interests to across the

globe in 1933 Johnson was allowing the Smithsonian to use his Yacht for a deepsea scientific Expedition and brown was serving on the yacht as a radar and sonar engineer but an early stop in Nassau suggests that the purpose of the trip wasn't only scientific its first stop was in Nassau and the Bahamas and the Bahamas and Nassau figure from time to time in the story there are meetings there with some of these shadowy people people that we don't really know who they are that was a base of operations for Stevenson and that when the Caroline was parked

at the port in Nassau that Stevenson came on board and had dinner with and then you even talk about here with Roosevelt's quiet consent and without Jay Edgar Hoover's knowledge William Stevenson began laying the groundwork for an intelligence Network unlike anything the world had ever seen on the towns and brown forums a thread from 2006 describes the Caroline group as a Morgan has told Paul that Townson was basically CIA research and he said but he was pulled away a couple

of times for Espionage work Morgan is the code name for Brown's longtime colleague and Linda his daughter's love interest he's also one of the main sources for shatkins book if I were to recreate Morgan's path I would say that he was working for Stevenson or wacken Hood in a private security contract and they had the pool to get him through Camp Perry for CIA training you kidding another longtime Brown colleague that shatkin Coden names O'Reilly says something very

telling he says that a couple of other Brown inventions were handed over to other entities and this Consortium seems to have something to do with it is this Consortium a fingerprint of the Caroline group later skunkworks director Ben Rich apparently said this on his deathbed to John Andrews of testers Motor Corporation we already have the means to travel Among the Stars but these Technologies are locked in Black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit Humanity but perhaps most interestingly Andrews who has photographic evidence of his

correspondence with Rich said this it was Ben Rich's opinion that the public should not be told about UFOs in extraterrestrials he believed they could not handle the truth ever only in the last month of his decline did he begin to feel that the international corporate board of directors dealing with the subject UFOs could represent a bigger problem to the citizens personal freedom under the United States Constitution than the presence of offworld visitors themselves so who is this International corporate board could they have something to do with the Caroline

group but towns and brown wasn't just a pond to some shadowy Consortium or three-letter agent gen he was also probably pretty high up in Intel himself and he may have actually been involved in the original UFO crash retrieval program in 1957 Brown took part in the international geophysical year a sweeping scientific survey of the earth whose data was meant to be shared across borders but as Jan points out brown used this as an opportunity to gather some important National

Security Intel that gave Townson an opportunity to travel around and set up these what we would call listening post for the u2s as they overflew Soviet Russia when Brown returned from the international geophysical year he created naikap or the national investigations committee on aerial phenomena it was the first civilian organization dedicated to investigating UFO sightings former CIA director Rosco Hillen coder who is rumored to have been involved in the Roswell crash became a board

member Townson I think he saw Nik sure you get information on UFOs but he told Linda to filter out the ones where they describe emotion like a fluttering leaf and those are ours he said what what does he mean a fluttering Leaf wobble Jan saying that American anti-gravity craft probably wobbled at the time totally comports with the problems that the avocar was having in the ' 50s the avocar would get 10 ft off the ground and start wobbling out of control later

in the ' 60s through the80s the stabilization of these man-made Vehicles could have been perfected do you think that brown was crowdsourcing intelligence for his work like or do you think it was Counter Intelligence do you think it was recruiting you think it I think that's a very interesting Theory I I hadn't actually thought of that one I'll I'll let's give one to Jesse for coming up with Al one because because the way he moves around in all these different areas and elements it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that that could be a valid hypothesis if naikap was

Counter Intelligence which I'm fairly sure it was it began a long tradition of intelligence Associated civilian UFO initiatives like muon and others a lot of these serve as honey traps for civilians to cough up their data to the CIA and their fertile grounds for spreading disinformation the Philadelphia Experiment was a wacky mythical Navy experiment in 1943 whose intention was was to turn the USS Eldridge invisible and teleport it from Philadelphia to North fol Virginia the ship

uh seemed to Glow in the field and all of a sudden it flicked off instead of flicking on Jan thinks it was a nuclear explosion a turbine exploded and the men got showered with hexafluoride something a fluid that had been radiated I think the Philadelphia Experiment did happen but the story we have is just an insane cover and and all of this just it mes the water very very effectively the real question is what was Brown's involvement with it if any after all brown actually told his

friend Josh Reynolds who worked closely with him that the Philadelphia Experiment book and later movie were greatly inflated Brown was officially discharged from the Navy in 1942 a few months before the experiment would have taken place Townsen gets a letter telling him he is supposed to transfer his equipment M from the University of Philadelphia to the Navy at Norfolk and he stalled around for a month or two and then he his letter says for the good of the Navy and to avoid Court

Marshal I hearby resign did he move immediately to California as shatkin believes or did he stick around in Norfolk as author and anti-gravity historian Paul La Violet believes a clue might be found in a 1942 FBI file on Brown the file sh Jo Brown Living in Laurel Canyon on Wonderland Boulevard this possibly points to shatkin being right that he left the Navy in 1942 and went straight to work at Martin Vega Corporation in La this guy's now been discredited from the Navy

but oh he shows up at this Aviation facility that is underneath this speaking of camouflage it was actually under a canopy of camouflage but the FBI file begets more questions why would the FBI even have a file on Brown in the first place especially right after The Philadelphia Experiment supposedly took place well the file even says that towns and brown knew more about radar detection than any individual in the US Navy they also say that prior to Brown's move to LA he was stationed at Norfolk Virginia in the Atlantic Fleet school this is exactly where the Philadelphia Experiment was

it's a Russian satellite that exploded mhm but that was sort of debunked Townsen goes to the location in New England somewhere and he has permission to take the material Project Blue Book wants it by the time they get there this nobody that no one's ever heard of at that time has disappeared with it we know about this crash thanks to UFO researcher Michael sorett who had collected the file from the Smithsonian archives in the 80s but had never noticed that towns and

brown was mentioned in it according to swords a chemical analysis of the metal was said to show that the thing was neither satellite nor meteorite do you have any idea what the material was made the analysis said aluminum and some form of um barium and where have we seen barium before both on the chalkboard at the bonson labs where towns and brown worked and in his Winter Haven proposal Brown brings up barium to be used in one of his motors for his gravitator discs both aluminum and

so Town grew up with that kind of mind but here's maybe the craziest part of this whole UFO crash retrieval Story the UFO material initially goes to Fred Whipple and Jay Allen heinik at Harvard's moonwatch an observation and collection program for the world's first satellites Robert friend at Blue Book also expresses intense interest in the samples but all all towns and brown had to do was show up at Moon watch's office and flash his credentials he's then able to take immediate control of the material basically declaring eminent domain what exact credentials did towns

and brown have to flash to completely front run and stiff arm Blue Book Project Blue Book was the best they could do at the time because they felt they had a real project going on that was secret okay is that true and the Air Force did oh I didn't know that the Manhattan Project would have custody of it and then it would go into the atomic energy commission and then it would go into the department of energy which has its own line of clearances Linda Brown often describes

her father as being part of a deeper draft or much more authoritative part of the intelligence Community than your typical agency workers if true this UFO crash retrieval story definitely corroborates that the thing I keep going back and forth on is like was this all just gravity control Tech that we figured out in the 40s and 50s you have more crashes then because the the it works less well because you're you're just starting off so you have crashes and then you have you have him trying to like you know do Tech protection and figure out what civilians know about this

through naikap or whatever or you read about him and he's talking very what seems to be earnestly and sincerely about UFOs and time travel in his private life in a way that doesn't feel fabricated or like Counter Intelligence that he would like voed on his family well and so are the UFOs time travel are the UFOs just gravity control machines is that a false dichotomy or are the UFOs extraterrestrials or maybe all of That's A and C the is all the right yeah yeah what do you what

do you think I think all of the above you think all the above I think all the above okay my hunch is that if you're able to somehow put yourself backward or forward in the SpaceTime Continuum you'll be in a different dimension not in the same Dimension well that recalls a conversation between Morgan and towns and brown or Morgan's in his office and towns and brown said what what if we had the ability to time travel you know I believe we're going to be able to do it in our lifetime and we'll have a list of people who will be able to do this right and Morgan says I want to be on that list th and Brown says I think you will be on that list and he says what would the first thing

you do we had time travel and uh Morgan says I'd go back and I'd save my sister because his sister in a pool accident and that caused his parent his whole family to S break disintegrated around me in 1929 he wrote a paper this kind of cutting back but yeah 1929 he writes a paper about the minor Quantum right and never sees the light of day later while he's at Martin he writes another um paper called the structure of space and that is you can that's available right um why do you think the minor Quantum paper and that's right when he gets recruited by the Navy do you the

Navy saw it and then recruited him and the that is now classified cuz it's impossible to find appear it it is and you can't find any reference to it Townsen Brown scientific paper which we do have access to is called the structure of space which he wrote in the early 40s while working at Martin Corporation in the paper you have two kind of gravities gravity Wells which are positively charged and attractive and gravity hills which are negatively charged and repulsive most matter is weakly positively charged because the protons in an atom outweigh its electrons when you combine a

positive and a negative charge so a gravity well and a Gravity Hill you create a wave a wave that a craft like a UFO could serve you're riding a wave basically you create a wave and you're on top of the tsunami wave and you're riding across SpaceTime that's fascinating perhaps one of the more bizarre aspects of towns and Brown's work is his lifelong obsession with a concept called siderial radiation this idea came from the fact that the sun and the moon's positions actually had minor effects on his gravity gravitator in other words there's some form of radiation coming

from the solar system that actually affects gravity and creates gravitational anomalies he noticed fluctuations in those effects which seem to have some um bearing on the immediate gravitational field the position of the sun or position of the moon and the influence of those gravitational fields yeah and he was very very interested through the entire course of his life in what that radiation what those signals were one of the things he did was build these devices that

he called electrometers and they were receiving maybe neutrinos we don't know but every so often there'd be an anomaly and the anomaly started to show up in patterns and he started to find well the patterns correlate to the siderial calendar siderial calendar being the calendar by the star not the Sun but he was doing that um electrometer stuff even on Catalina at the end of his

life at first I thought this was the part of Brown's work that you could resoundingly write off it seemed like complete quackery to me and then just a few weeks ago I had a call with a prominent Harvard physicist this person is a secret fan of towns and Browns and is very interested in siderial radiation but chose to remain anonymous because of brown stigma and I'm not talking about AI lobe somebody obviously interested in finding extraterrestrial life you can think with me just as a farm boy that is curious rert sheldrick a British experimentalist who's a little more

changing and um then I looked at how they do it what happens is they measure it in different labs they get different values on different days and then they average them and then other labs around the world do the same and they come usually with a rather different average and then the international committee on Metrology meets every 10 years or so and average the ones from labs around the world to come up with the value of Big G but what if G were actually fluctuating what if it changed there's already evidence actually that it changes throughout the day and throughout

the year the other thing that brown structure of space tries to do is revive the concept of The Ether the 19th century concept that empty space is actually full of substance the Michaelson moley experiments involved a set of optical observations to detect The Ether in the 1890s in short they did not detect The Ether but the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence and even Albert Einstein who vehemently opposed The Ether earlier in his career became open to its compatibility

with general relativity when you are trying to come up with this analogy between electromagnetism and general relativity to explain some of these effects are you dealing only with the Levi Chita connection of the metric as Einstein did or are you considering I'm basically dealing with the metric coefficients by postulating a dialectric vacuum whose dialectric constant values for say epsilon a mu the permeability and permitivity of the vacuum can be manipulated and once you

manipulate those you're manipulating C which is 1 over the screw to Mu Epsilon and so once you begin begin to manipulate C then you can change effects associated with all of the and so you can with this with this polarizable vacuum approach which I published in the physics journal um you can get all of the quote tests of general relativity and so on so so the fact that you might be able to pursue that further by taking into account the fact that underlying electromagnetism is is

um vacuum fluctuations which have the effect of controlling the value for Epsilon mu so then you say okay well if I want to go over to general relativity maybe I can control the underlying values for the metric coefficients if empty space or the quantum vacuum is filled with a medium the most efficient way to communicate over vast distances is to tug on the medium itself not to send send a signal through it that's why towns and Brown's Winter Haven proposal doesn't only

involve exotic propulsion it involves novel Communications we're coming right here to one of the central questions of I guess all of modern science is space empty or is there something to it and whether or not there are ways to influence what we can call the quantum Continuum or or whatever is that space between the nucleus and the electron orbit decart called it the plenum now when we talk about transmitting sound waves for example we transmit the sound waves through

the through a medium and they travel as a in a way what Townsen Brown seems to be describing in the structure of space is that there is something that may have been dismissed in the Michaelson Morley experiment which was unable to detect ether that there is still something of for lack of a better word substance to empty space and that if you can tug on that empty space that rather than sending a wave through a medium you're tugging on the Rope itself and the the the tug appears

on the other end instantaneously and you can do that through really high energy output right it's super interesting finally the weirdest component of Brown's work is time travel the way this might work would be somewhat like the legendary durlock or the Bell was described in Nazi Germany an SS officer named Jacob sporrenberg documented magnetic field separation Vortex compression all surrounding a possible anti-gravity machine this bell-shaped machine was also supposed to

manipulate time under high voltages originally I thought this sounded absolutely nuts and I'm still not sure what to think of it but Walter gerlock who is a very well-respected physic physicist at the time and was super interested in anti-gravity apparently worked on the project as did Ernest growz head of the SS medical experiments division under which Joseph mango worked there's even a Polish journalist named Igor bitkowski who seems to be very high conviction that the Bell did in fact exist and it would make sense that these characters might be involved if you're putting

actual people in a high voltage environment and trying to make them travel through time in fact we know from Nicola Tesla that as long as the current is low voltages can be very high and the electrical charge can go through the human body without doing too much damage and Nick cook Source Dan Marcus told him that the Germans had been able to slow time within the area of the bell's torsion field the ceramic line chamber to 1,000 the rate at which it was progressing outside if you sat inside the chamber for a year what you've done is slow time down on the inside while on the outside

it progresses at a normal rate step outside the chamber after a year is ticked by on your calendar and you find yourself a thousand years into the future again this concept seems absolutely insane to me but we do know that time slows down the closer you get to a gravitational Source general relativity you know teaches us that know clocks either speed up or slow down you know based on uh whether near a gravitational Source or not you know one over r squared over distance you know you can create a gravitational Source in one of two ways through mass or through energy so with high

enough energy maybe you could slow time another theoretical framework that may explain Brown's work is Ferris Williams 5D Dynamic Theory Ferris was a colleague of Oki Shannon former manager of special projects at Los Alamos National Labs Shannon is on record saying if we were to build an anti-gravitational device it would be built on the principles involved in Williams Theory and in 1988 the corporation saic was tasked with studying Electric culion and anti-gravity for

Edwards Air Force Base their paper stated that Dr James Woodward's work on anti-gravity which is built on Townsen Brown's research on capacitors demonstrated theoretical validity and was showing enough progress to Warrant further support and funding the paper also said that Ferris Williams was essential to the research in suggested that a five-dimensional framework like Williams has could lead to unified field theory in novel propulsion methods which again brings us back to what Nick Cook's pseudonymous Source Dan Marcus told him but here was the truly wild part The Vortex Marcus

said wasn't a three-dimensional phenomenon or even a four-dimensional one it couldn't be for a torsion field to be able to interact with gravity and electromagnetism it had to be endowed with attributes that went beyond the three dimensions of left right up and down and the four dimensional Time Field they inhabited something that the theorists for convenience sake labeled a Fifth Dimension ion hyperspace and just look at what novel propulsion expert physicist and UFO Legend Eric Davis writes while attempting to debunk the bfield brown effect in his frontiers

of propulsion science he concedes that an Air Force study postulated that by assuming a five-dimensional Continuum an electrogravitic coupling could be derived to explain the bfield brown effect which again begs the question why would the Air Force continue to be motivated to derive a theoretical framework for the bfield brown effect effect if it doesn't work in the first place or if it can just be attributed to ion wind if it's just attributable to ion wind you don't need another framework this brings us to perhaps the most practical but also revolutionary

theory around Brown's work one that doesn't involve any unknowable trans temporal Fifth Dimension what this five-dimensional Theory appears to do is tie together electromagnetism with gravity if you can do that if you can take advantage of his expanded actual equations then maybe you can build an anti-gravity device Shannon is probably talking about a theory called extended electrodynamics a theory I personally learned about from a top Navy scientist who chose to

remain anonymous for fear of reprisals from his superiors for discussing this topic when you introduce the scaler field you now have the possibility of at least three completely new kinds of waves extended electrodynamics only in involves a few tweaks to classical electrodynamics but those tweaks actually just represent a more faithful adherence to the original equations of electromagnetism developed by James Clerk Maxwell way back in 1865 you see the original set of

Maxwell's 20 equations involved one equation for each of the three XYZ Vector components of the electric and magnetic fields but a British physicist named Oliver heavyside who came right after Maxwell condensed these 20 original equations down to four simple Vector calculus equations in the name of Simplicity by doing that heavy side only left room for one kind of traveling electromagnetic wave your conventional transverse herzan wave this involves electric and

magnetic vectors perpendicular to each other and to the propagation direction of the wave another physicist named lorence developed an equation that set a constraint between the two potential functions scalar and Vector potentials this Lorent equation is a staple in classical electrodynamics he set the equation or the sum of the derivatives of the vector and scalar potentials equal to zero this imposed an artificial and arbitrary constraint that limited the range of things these equations could describe in nature things like the bom Aronoff effect which seem pretty anomalous

in the classical electrodynamics framework where electromagnetic potentials can be present without the presence of magnetic or electric Fields with the new equation of extended electrodynamics you don't just have magnetic and electric Fields you also have what's called a scalar field and this makes possible at least three new kinds of waves scalar scalar longitudinal and helicoidal these waves often don't decay in the same way traditional herzan waves do and they also interact

with electrons differently these scalar waves may actually couple with gravity more tightly than traditional herzan waves explaining the Byfield Brown effect this may explain a lot of the anomalous effects that towns and brown and other high voltage physicists have gotten over the years according to this Navy scientist these new waves involved in extended electrodynamics can unlock novel propulsion better underwater and deep space communication and even help bring about clean and free energy these scaler and Vector potentials that the quantum field breaks down into might

Atherton at that time remember seeing a check from the Townsen Brown Foundation to Stanford for $100,000 finally scalar longitudinal waves may also explain the atomic UFO connection detonate a nuclear weapon and you're probably creating these longitudinal waves sending some sort of signal to UFOs Congressman do you think that these reverse engineering programs have made any progress or do

you think yeah I do I just don't think they can they're going to Scrat if they did we wouldn't we would own the skies if they had it is isn't it in their best interest to just get immunity for themselves and try to refresh the talent pool if these people are you know it's they're all old and it's completely compartmentalized and they haven't made you know in the Wilson they're completely arrogant completely arrogant they're above the laws personally I have no desire to gratuitously out American defense projects that help keep our population safe I'm Pro Amer as evidenced by the name of my channel and pro National Security and I was actually hesitant to

make this video because of that but in speaking to people closer to the inside than me and voicing my own apprehensions around these Revelations I've gotten absolutely no good reasons as to why the broader Frameworks around towns and Brown's work should not be open source in fact at times I've been encouraged by Anonymous people on the inside to make this video because of the the potentially very exciting civil side applications Brown's work might lead to and if speculating on some hidden black Aviation projects from 30 to 40 years ago that have already been speculated on ad nauseum

by a ton of other people helps Garner resources and support for these new scientific Frameworks it feels like my moral duty to shed some more light on those programs as evidence for the usefulness of Brown's work the Legacy UFO program needs to come forward and not leave David grush completely hanging out to dry they need to have some courage and stop thinking about their own selfish myopic interests I should personally disclose that most of my money is in a chemical combustion rocket company with no plans to explore exotic electromagnetic propulsion so I'm actually arguing

against my own interests here but for those of society and Shining a light on Brown's work it's my hope that people in the Legacy program begin to act similarly it would even make sense for them to do that from a national security perspective should want it out itself yeah it's like yeah protect what could be weaponized but generally allow it to be studied openly uh but there's absolutely like no coaching plan that I'm aware of to do so now this wouldn't be an American Alchemy episode if we didn't throw an insane wild card at you at the end of the video my last guest Diana

the trippiest connection I've made in this whole towns in brown Saga Tyler from Diana's book is a NASA mission controller named Timothy Taylor Taylor wrote an autobiography in March of 2003 called launch fever before anybody knew who Taylor was in 2014 Townsen Brown's daughter Linda wrote a review of Taylor's book she writes an engineer's firsthand experience of what it means to be a part of the space program a Charming Legacy to his daughter and all of us so what is Tim Taylor's

connection with Townsen Brown well the son of frequent UFO experience and personal friend of Tim Taylor's Chris bledo had some interesting things to say about the topic on Twitter he wrote that Tim Taylor personally told my father he was in an elite group called The Nassau group headed up by T Townsen Brown also insinuated they had time travel technology so what is Tim Taylor's connection with towns and brown was brown the Chief Architect of a secret parallel Space Program towns and brown had

a UFO experience in Catalina as a team teenager is that right yes yes and I know the exact spot he was where he was standing I used to ride my horse up that Ridge it approached him it actually approached him and and he said that he learned so much standing there with that ball of light that he went back to his which with the time was he had a lab in Pasadena that was funded by his parents

so he had his own private lab and he said he went to work immediately and he worked that was that was the beginning of his life work and he said that everything that he ever learned about his work learned instantly W physics has sadly not produced any forward progress over the last 50 years even the top string theorists are finally waking up up to the futility of their abstract

math this leads us to our next Point unorthodox thinking does not scale with IQ unfortunately a bunch of really smart physicists have been LED like sheep to slaughter into the wrong Frameworks and as a result they've contributed nothing to society academic institutions worldwide have been engaged in a massive brain drain quite simply the smartest people are working on the dumbest problems until now we've only been able to manipulate one of the four fundamental forces

of physics in a lab electromagnetism if we can manipulate any of the others like gravity it opens up a world of possibilities that include Interstellar travel which is much as Elon Musk loves to tell you rocketry will accomplish it simply won't with conventional combustion propulsion it would take 880,000 years to get to the nearest star system Proxima centuri that's simply unworkable and nuclear thermal propulsion only speeds that up by by maybe 50% we need to be

able to manipulate SpaceTime itself as towns and brown conceived I think our whole Space Program is a little ridiculous per the pineapple and PE analogy where uh you have all this insane amount of power that it takes to just put these little objects in space most most of the fuel in a Saturn 5 rocket yeah is burned to get the rest of the fuel off the launch pad it's just pure Brute Force and then you just make it into low earth orbit or you know it's just it's very I mean even

you think about Starship which is uh spacex's you know 120 to 200 ton rocket if you think about what it has to do just to get to the moon so because of the tonnage which is a wild amount of I mean that that's unprecedented amount of of mass that we're putting in space with this rocket um one of them goes up into low earth orbit it burns 9/10 of its fuel tank and then it's floating around in low earth orbit with one tenth of the fuel tank then you have to get another one up into

low earth orbit it does butto butut refueling of the first one so you get you end up with two10 and then you have a third one and so that literally the the NASA contract with SpaceX to get to the moon uhhuh involves like 10 of these butt tobutt refuelings which God help you if you think that that's going to be hard to do yeah and just to get to the moon and then I think about the Earth having all these bizarre geomagnetic anomalies where you have these almost it seems like portals

on Earth where maybe you don't maybe you don't have to do this sort of like floating through space model like endlessly floating through space you're you know things that are like light years away maybe you can pull more on the on the you know the substance itself sub SP yeah right well there you go and maybe it's all the town and brown stuff and maybe the real space program is is that and if you even look at like Carl Sean's uh contact like it it's like this crazy high it's like you go into a wormhole or something in this super high energy tank and maybe that's that's

the real interesting space program Brown's work is definitely not the current state-ofthe-art in propulsion I'll leave it to smarter people than me to debate what type of space-time engineering engine is best alary warp drive microwave beam propulsion or otherwise but many of these exotic prop ion mechanisms are derived from Brown's fundamental unlock and so that's why almost 100 years after he discovered it I really think that at the very least his work should be open- source

and better understood by the average science and engineering student all the physical world stuff we were promised in the ' 50s and 60s was in the in the realm of flying cars and flying saucers and and interplanetary travel and colonization and and and you had all this sci-fi at the time that was aspirational it wasn't dystopian there does seem to be this point in the' 60s and' 7s where the future ended mid-century America was full of Hope and utopian dreams of the future Townsen

Brown brings us back to that future speaking of Back to the Future was Hollywood dropping some breadcrumbs and naming the wacky scientist in the movie Doc Brown you're the only one that's noticed that uh so I congratulate you his flux capacitor makes time travel POS possible back to the 50s the moment physics went astray what and the movie takes place in 1985 the year of towns and Browns dead Townsen Brown was an unrefined not super educated inventor who made real breakthroughs

so in that vein I'd like to offer a $50,000 bounty to anyone who can prove the Byfield Brown effect under two conditions number one is the person has to conduct the experiment in a vacuum chamber to prove that the thrust effect isn't due to ion win and number two you have to let us film it so reach out to usa. Alchemy gmail.com if you're interested and please if possible lead with any experience you have doing experiments like these but as I've said I have no dog in this fight so I will

also pay the $50,000 to anyone who definitively disproves the bfield brown effect as long as I feel like they are a good faith actor that would kind of blow but hey it would get us closer to reality again as a ba in history who re attended his college courses and has completely armchair takes on physics I'm not sure whether Brown's experiments made their way into deep black Aeros space in the form of exotic ionic propulsion or more fundamental gravity manipulation but I think either makes him dramatically more interesting than his blatantly manipulated

Wikipedia page and both would probably lay better foundations for an alternative lineage of very Advanced Aviation propulsion that represents a better future path to interplanetary travel so let's and the science embargo our desperately declining multi-polar world needs it and the Ghost of towns and brown deserves it do you think that town and brown and Morgan know how to time travel yeah you do yeah I do and what do you think towns and Brown's goal in time

travel is um maybe the end result of all this is to bring the art and beauty that the human species is capable of to the rest of the cosmos M God I said more crazy [ __ ] in the last 3 and a half hours than I've said in 72 years yeah well I have I have one final question for you Linda which is if your father uh was maybe a time traveler what do you think he's up to right now oh boy I don't know if there's something happening that's truly

J this probably would be in the middle of it if if someone was trying to get ready to launch some sort of my dad would be rearranging their figures so they wouldn't come up with what they thought wow